Sources say work on so-called ‘options paper’ comes as Trump seeks to restore Moscow ties and end Ukraine war
Summary
The White House has directed the State and Treasury Departments to draft a proposal for lifting some U.S. sanctions on Russia as part of Trump’s effort to restore ties and end the Ukraine war.
The proposal could ease restrictions on select Russian entities and oligarchs, though it’s unclear what the U.S. would receive in return.
Trump has signaled openness to sanctions relief despite previously threatening harsher measures.
Talks between U.S. and Russian officials have intensified, with economic cooperation, including rare earth minerals, emerging as a key topic.
This is so wrong. I hate what we've become. As an American, I've never been proud of what this country has done but I've never been THIS ashamed. I feel like a joke.
I have nothing against americans, but this is Hitler level bullshit and if americans dont wake up after this (like revolt level wake up), they are no better than today russians orks or past german nazis sympathizer.
Until they get their shit together by getting rid of this orange shit pile, americans can just go fuck themselves...
bUt wE hAvE oUr oWn PrObLeMs. tHiS dOeSn’T cOnCeRn Us.
Fucking shameful and depressing. Makes me realize that slogans like “never again” are not at all realistic because they’ll always be idiots who think shit doesn’t concern them, until it does.
I agree. As an American I didn't understand how this could happen. However, and this excuses nothing, but read the book "They Thought they were Free," by Milton Mayer. It explains how normal people were wrapped up in Germany. It was eye opening.
[From interviews in 1953] The author determined that his interviewees had fond memories of the Nazi period and did not see Adolf Hitler as evil, and they perceived themselves as having a high degree of personal freedom during Nazi rule
I never considered some Germans still favored the Nazi regime after WW2, or at least not a significant number, especially not otherwise normal people. I've ordered a copy of the book
Ordinary Men is another very good one. It uses testimony from after the war to establish the story of a real life German police unit and their commander who were ordered to start mass killing.
I'm trying hard not to accuse America per se but recognise that this is Trump and his administration being driven by Kremlin interference and direct involvement.
I cannot see the American people putting up with this nightmare but I fear it's not hitting home as it should.
Ukraine is just a part of a bigger picture where Russia is actively interfering with Western politics, business, governments, elections and referendums with the aim of bringing down the West.
With the traditional USA out of the game Russia will move on to eastern Europe. In the meantime China makes it's move on Taiwan and others in the region; the Trump USA taking Canada, Greenland, Western Europe; the middle east being carved between Russia and Trump USA.
It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better whilst Trump is in power.
I sincerely hope that the military, even red state members, would recognize invading Canada or any of these countries as being a real fucked move and not what they signed up for.
I posted this on a Reddit thread, but we have become very dependent on certain technologies. The resistance is taking a while to get warmed up. One of the biggest issues is our communication channels used in the first administration have all been compromised. Twitter, Whatsapp, and Reddit are all being used against us. There may never be a hashtag protest again.
No one thinks this is normal or okay. But there is an air of fear that the secret police tech bros are listening.
FYI if everybody no longer pay their taxes and no longer work, its game over for the government in less than a year and in a peacefull way... (Excluding food, energy and health sector of course, and people will need to be able to rely on their communities exclusively, but lets be honest, in the US its already the case...)
Imagine a COVID but as a national and perpetual strike/protest. Even with a third of the population doing that, it would work.
Even though the EU has been funding Russia with fossil fuel imports? Kinda feels like we're the only country that was willing to make a stand and did it alone while Russia's GDP rose last year.
Possibility? .... this coup is more like watching moss grow over concrete ... it's taking time but it will soon cover everything and everyone is making it as hot and moist as possible to speed up the process
You know what would help end the war in Ukraine? Letting Russia keep all their money and having no repercussions for their actions. That should do the trick.
If the US does lift sanctions on select oligarchs from Russia, I think the EU should consider sanctions on select oligarchs from the US.
I can suggest one such oligarch, Elon Musk - he's associated with wielding illegitimate power, manipulating social media and interfering in elections (both national and primary) using wealth.
How about freezing his assets? I don't think he has taken the prudent step of collecting all his money and stowing it under Donald's presidential seat.
Unfortunately, the EU still didn't even manage to block Twitter and even less to touch Starlink, or send promised money to Ukraine in less than months. I wouldn't hold my breath on anything further out of what they've planned at least 6months ago already, and sanctions against US oligarchs was definitely not on the list.
Both Putin and Trump are 80s relics and so it matters little how much the wor[l]d has changed, the cold war facet applies to the blindly pro-russian stance of Trump.
Of all the stances to take, this one is insane. Almost every violent conflict has shades of gray, nuance rather than unambiguous good and bad. The Ukraine-Russia conflict is one of those supremely rare straightforward ones where Russia is just straight up the bad guys.
Kick the US out of Nato and any special status in the UN. Sanction the everliving fuck out of everything US. This will destroy the retirement I was at least partially expecting to get, but fuck it.
Trump is such a master negotiator. Betray our allies, threaten to leave the UN, stop all cyber security operations against Russian, lift sanctions against Russia that are working, block Ukraine from joining the UN, and say that any chance of ending the war has to result in Ukraine ceding stolen territory.
All before negotiations even start. What a mastermind.
There should be a rule in UN that any threat made to leave UN by the leader of the country should lead to immediate suspension and sanctions from the UN.
If you want to leave, submit a resignation and leave, no theatrics and threats allowed even if you are a TV show host president like Trump.
A couple of suspicious sounding phone calls intercepted from an embassy, when every embassy in the country was having their own discussions about their preferred outcome to the collapse of a government, do not influence millions of Ukrainians who know their own country and government, to take to the streets in a riot over being betrayed over something they voted for.
Whether or not he’s a Russian asset is ultimately irrelevant. All that matters is that he is acting like a Russian asset. He’s doing everything a Russian asset would do. So it doesn’t actually matter if Putin has kompromat on Trump, because he is clearly willing to act like an asset even if he’s not.
Russia used to be godless commies, but now it's viewed as a white, Christian capitalist state with a strong leader. It's not, but that's the bullshit Fucker Carlson and other Russian sponsored propagandists have been spewing for the last decade or so.
In Europe many leaders still claim USA is our most important ally. I wonder if they say it.hoping it will make it true, or if they really still believe it?
We don't call Russia an ally just because they have nukes.
If USA lift sanctions on Russia, they are working against NATO interests, and against a world of law, and against democracy.
That cannot be an ally of Europe, and we shouldn't sugarcoat it.
They say it because saying the truth (that they're an enemy of all democratic countries) is seen as too risky when they remain so intertwined with other countries worldwide. There are US military bases all over the world, for example.
Many EU leaders like to pretend things are just fine when they're not because it's easier than dealing with the problem. We got lulled into a false sense of security the past few decades and being woken up so rudely seems to be difficult for our lazy asses.
The U.S. has been propagandized by the rich via corporate media consolidation (AKA Manufactured Consent) since at least the 1980s when the Fairness Doctrine was repealed by Reagan... earlier if you consider folks like JFK - who (as a member of a dynastically wealthy family) did things like drop the marginal tax rate from ~90% for the insanely richest people in the country to ~60% to start the tumble of budget shortfalls ultimately leading to the ease in which dishonest grifters are more easily able to convince the desperate and unheard to put their faith in demagogues offering them scapegoats in place of the actual culprits for their socioeconomic plight.
That is to say, that :
IF America is stupid, it is the fault of the ultra-rich once again - as they did in the 1860s with railroad barons, and 80 years later in the 1920s with the industrial age robber barons, and again as they've done now with tech-bro barons - need to be reminded that peace is only achievable on a level playing field, wherein they pay their goddamn fair share of taxes to provide a stable, safe, clean, healthy society where our bountiful resources are not made artificially scarce for all but the very top of the wealthiest classes.
IF America is selfish, it appears so only because those at the bottom are shown - by example of those at the top - that if they are selfish, they can "get ahead..." or at least "get by."
-Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
Yeah it's kinda crazy that it basically just lived on in the hearts of Putin and his underlings. We moved on. He made it his mission. There's a lesson in there somewhere.
Also, he basically became the thing he hated to win. Killed us with capitalism. There's a story there.
The real lesson is to run down your enemies as they retreat. America failed to do that with the south after the Civil War. America failed to do that with the Sov Union. Looks like the allies failed to do that with the Axis as well. Every evil entity will roll over and beg for mercy with crocodile tears. Leave the people, annihilate the state.
Either recruit people to your side or marginalize and destroy them completely. There's no in between.
It's more subtle. Technically they won, but while they were winning, Russia was buying the power in US. Weird situation now where the winner becomes a vassal state of the loser...
Does anyone else remember the 2016 debate with Hillary Clinton where she accused Trump of being a puppet for Putin, and he interrupted "No puppet, no puppet! You're the puppet!"
Or when Alnur Mussayev, the Russian officer who served in the KGB's 6th Directorate in Moscow, said that Trump was recruited as a Russian agent in 1987, under the codename "Krasnov", when he went to Russia for a "real estate project".
As Trudeau said at the top of his speech yesterday:
So today the United States launched a trade war against Canada, their closest partner and ally, their closest friend. At the same time, they’re talking about working positively with Russia, appeasing Vladimir Putin, a lying, murderous dictator.
Only if Congress specifically passed the sanctions. Usually it's a bill that directs the president to sanction people fitting a description. Which effectively makes it a decision for the president.
I'm surprised it took this long. He's already selling U.S. citizenship to Russian mobsters, so why not let them run wild and finish what you started - destroying America.
…and inviting Russians into the oval to watch and report to president Putin as he bullies Zelenskyy. Good job, Murca, and good job, VP Krasnov. Vance did a good job too.
I didn't know people could spin from pure happiness. This can all be traced back to him, I bet the only thing he'd be mad about is that he couldn't be king too.
though it’s unclear what the U.S. would receive in return
Unclear to who? It seems to me that Trump wants to gain the favor of Putin. Why is this unclear? Is the Guardian too afraid to make this accusation? For someone like Trump that is always looking out for himself, it's unlikely he's doing this out of the kindness of his heart.
The White House has directed the State and Treasury Departments to draft a proposal for lifting some U.S. sanctions on Russia as part of Trump’s effort to restore ties and end the Ukraine war.
Yeah that's definitely the reason they're doing it.