YSK: Deezer, the music streaming service, is owned by a company whose Founder and CEO is a Russian Oligarch with connections to the Kremlin and donates to the American Republican party.

Since we are on this topic I would incentivise everyone to take a look at resonate.
They are, AFAIK, the only music streaming service where artists, workers and listeners are owners (aka it's a cooperative)
- Looks like new sign ups are paused right now, but it's definitely something to keep an eye on.
- Its not even a flatrate
  The pricing looks like its stacking quick if you do neither listen to the same songs over and over or entirely new ones, i dont know if I find the pricing fair for the consumer.
  
  Yeah this is not a transparent pricing model. You start at $0.025 and “go up” from there but I can’t find how much. After you listen to a song 9 times and have paid $1.40 you “own” it but can still only listen to it on their service?
  This sounds like iTunes with more steps.
- This is an interesting idea, but I would assume that over time, the number of "owned" streams would dominate the number of "new" streams, and thus eventually their operating costs would reach a point where they don't have the revenue to cover it...
  
  At that point their governance structure would show it's strengths by enabling a democratic decision taking that could solve the issue
  Workers, for example, could suggest a small subscription fee that would cover the infrastructure cost, while listeners will most likely object, their view would be valued and impact the approval of any proposed solution
  
  I guess it depends on how much new music is released, added to the library, and then streamed by the users. It's a valid concern to be sure, but I wonder if it could be offset by user growth and new music to be a non issue
- This is an interesting idea, but I find their catalogue to be quite terrible for me (so far). Service like this really, really needs big names and much broader catalogue to attract people and start moving. Even though I'm far far from listening to mainstream I literally could not find a single interpret I looked for, and believe me I tried.

Uuuugh shit, I liked Deezer. :(
Ok, so, Qobuz then?
Edit tired of jumping ship all the time. Going to try going back to local rips and jellyfin server.
- Your subscription costs as much as a CD and a half each month.
  Go buy your music and host a jellyfin instance, stop paying these fuckin scammers
  
  I would need to buy a lot of CDs at this point and I'm not doing that anymore.
  I don't think they are all scammers. It is convenient.
  But maybe it is time to just go back to the 80s and make mixtapes off of the radio.
  I'll consider your suggestion. I'd need a CD reader again to make lossless rips. It's been awhile.
  And it DOES give me an excuse to selfhost another thing.
  
  Sooo, Qobuz?
  
  Qobuz sells music as well. It's not just for streaming. High quality downloadable FLAC audio too.
- I buy my music on Bandcamp and Qobuz and put it on my Jellyfin server. It's great! Also I don't need 10.000 songs at once so it's not really that expensive, I end up paying a little more a month now than for streaming, but I build up a library of music I actually like and don't have to think about losing it when yhe service get shit.
- Why are you paying these oligarchs at all? Pirate your music
  
  Well, I'm not opposed to paying for a convenient service that gets money to the artist.
  Of course, the more they enshittify and mistakenly believe they are indispensable, then yes, the more I return to the high seas.

None of the online music streamers are ethical. Every single one, to varying degrees, robs the artists and enriches their CEO's and shareholders.
Do the ethical thing.
Don't use them, and instead, use a Youtube-to-MP3 converter and steal the music.
- Bandcamp is pretty good, though. Especially on Bandcamp Fridays where all the profits go to the artists. Plus, I like getting FLACs.
  
  Problem with Bandcamp is they got bought out, first by Epic Games and then by Songtradr, and each time it's gone through enshittification. Bandcamp Fridays used to be a weekly thing but got changed to quarterly with little announcement, and then half their staff got laid off to pad the bottom line. Even with all that they're better than the alternatives, but they're still on a decaying trajectory.
  
  Absolutely. At the end of the day the main point here is just don't use the major streaming services.
- Are you under the impression that this will pay any artist anything?
  It's fine to take a pro-piracy stance, but pretending that you're doing it out of concern for the artists is grade A-bullshit.
  
  You're right.
  I should figure out a way to replace the income these artists get for my individual stream. It comes out to fractions upon fractions of a penny.
  The point here is robbing the CEO. There's no meaningful impact to the artist (unless you're Taylor Swift) thanks to the way these services are structured.
- Go a step further and use something like Deemix to grab FLAC files from their servers
  
  That works too.
  
  This is the only reason to use Deezer.
  
  Or Tidal-dl-ng for Tidal
- I dunno, Qobuz seems pretty fucking solid, and still allows for purchasing your music directly in FLAC and other formats. What drama is there about them?
- Guess how much money the artists get when you do that?
  
  I've already addressed this. They don't get fractions of fractions of a penny.
  We know this because Weird Al used his year-end video to make the world aware that, in return for his tens of millions of streams, he got around $80.00 from Spotify for a whole year.
  The artists aren't losing anything meaningful when rip songs off Youtube, but the CEO is for sure, at least he would if we all did this.
- As a fan I kinda view the music business this way
  Your music brings me in
  You make money off selling ads on your videos and content and platforms
  You make money selling merch
  You make money doing shows
  You MIGHT make a little streaming, but it won't be much
  That's how I see it.
  
  I saw a documentary one, and one artist said: back in the days, you made shows to sell your music (vinyl, later CDs), but now you make music to go on tour and make shows.
- This past week I found DoubleDouble.top which has superior quality that YouTube converters IMHO.
  https://us.doubledouble.top/

I've been buying mostly mostly from Bandcamp. It's worked out well. I have a big library, and the people making music got paid.
- FYI bandcamp was acquired by Epic and subsequently sold to Songtrader 2023
  
  Really it was re-sold I actually didn't know that.
  I don't know much about Songtradr, all I can find is that they let half the bandcamp staff go when they took over, is it a well known company?

I am buying music as much as I can, and build my own streaming service with Jellyfin. To this day, Bandcamp is were you can find the most music for purchase but not all artists are there. Often, I don't find any place to purchase albums from artists, then I pirate as a last resort, sorry for that. I'll go to the concerts when I get the chance, to make up for it.
- If you want to support local business, you could dig through some crates at a record store. Most shops have metric shitloads of CDs on the cheap. Idk if lossless audio is a big deal to you but that's a surefire way to get lossless files too
  
  I appreciate lossless quality, although I don't have any fancy audio equipment at this time. When I move to a bigger place, maybe I'll start to build a CD collection. I'm not so much into Vinyls, somehow they are so popular right now that artists will release a vinyl disk buy no download nor CD purchase possible...
- Surprised nobody mentioned 7digital, a store to buy music in mp3 or FLAC format. They have both mainstream and niche stuff
  
  7digital is owned by the same people as Bandcamp BTW. Not that it changes your point, just interesting.

Blavatnik was a member of a WhatsApp group chat that existed from November 2023 until early May 2024 involving some of the United States' most powerful business leaders with the stated goals of "chang[ing] the narrative" in favor of Israel and "help[ing] win the war" on U.S. public opinion following Hamas's October 7th attack on Israel.
Ah, every single rich person. So predictable at this point it's like a Tinder profile. It's what most billionaires are and what most right-wing idiots want to become.
50m (I just spent 50 million dollars for a party for rich people)
Likes: Tyranny, Autocrats, Colonialism, Wealth Gaps, Kids (Yeah like that 😉), Abrahamic Religions, Unobstructed Hypercapitalism
Dislikes: Unions, Social Progress, Clean Air & Water (except for me lol duh), Equality, Regulation, The EU, "Other Races"

Fuck streaming. Pirate all the things!
- Libraries have a ton of CDs too... even newer ones.
  
  Yep, but only local artists, this is why I buy CDs when I travel internationally.
- That's how I know my money doesn't end on fifhty hands!
  I just wish more artists had like a direct donation address (or do some direct sales on their website), without absolutely any intermediates, so I could pay them for their work. But I'd rather not pay anything that pay most of my money to undeserving people.
  
  Bandcamp should be used by more musicians.
- Any way to get recommendations while pirating?
  
  Last.fm, but pay the artists somehow, concerts, merch or imo one of the streaming platforms.
- That way the artists get even less than with Spotify.

Tidal was originally European but ~~DayZ~~ Jay-z bought it up so it's technically American now; Qobuz is french but it doesn't have a "brain-dead radio mode". Both have unofficial Linux clients.
Rn I use tidal because it's on the top 3 of the ones that pay the most to artists iirc(quobuz is up there too) and it hasn't had a huge American influence that I know of, but do your own research on the alternatives to see which suits you the most, there are tons of articles about them all.
- DayZ
  Do you mean Jay-Z?
  It's now owned by Square, the same company behind squarecash
  I used it for awhile, specifically because while Spotify promised lossless for years, they never delivered. A bonus is, as you said, that it is the platform that has the highest payout for artists.
  That being said, when I stopped using it, it was mostly due to the UX decisions they had made on the platform to force videos on everything. It's a music app, and yet, one of the main navigation options in the app was for videos. Spotify also fired their original designer and has focused on "engagement" over actually good UX.
- What’s brain-dead radio?
  
  You click on a genre and let it play mindlessly, like when listening to radio.
- Both have unofficial Linux clients.
  Qobuz doesn't?
  Sticking with Spotify for now, it supports Linux and has last.fm integration (and is amazing)
  
  unofficial
  You appear to be looking at their official website. Services tend to not advertise unofficial clients
  
  https://github.com/mattipunkt/qobuz-linux This is the unofficial client and it's pretty good
  
  They have a web player that's OS agnostic and can Bluetooth link multiple devices.
  But then, you use Spotify so your ethical considerations are pretty loose anyway.

He also owns Warner Music, so revenue from that David Bowie or Charli XCX track you stream goes to his empire.
- He can take Bowie if he wants, but Charli???? This is not what PC Music fought for :(
  
  ~~Either of them~~ Charli could stop working with Warner Music, she isn't a slave
  Edit: I originally said David Bowie, too, meaning his estate, but they sold all of the rights of his music to Warner
  https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59860096

I don't know if it's any better than the other options out there, but I like tidal.
- Qobuz!
- Tidal is cool but it lacks a lot of vocaloid and some japanese songs for me.
  Respect their artist payout and the nice link site which lists a bunch of different sources of the shared song, so that Spotify or other streaming users don't need to manually search for that shared song.

Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify
- Thanks, I'll prefer Bandcamp.
  Now seriously: Does Qobuz have a equal catalog to Spotify and a bigger/more mainstream catalog than Bandcamp?
  
  Yes, Qobuz is significantly more mainstream than BandCamp. I don't know if the catalogue is on par with Spotify or AM or whatever, but most popular music is on it.
  Bandcamp is like an indie zine that occasionally ships with a burned CD from a local band that has to live in the same rented house with no A/C and a half empty bottle of makers mark in the fridge.
  Qobuz is a record store.

I switched to Deezer because I found reasons why all of the others were unethical. What would you suggest for a streaming service whose services are ethical?
- I would personally suggest Qobuz, as it is demonstrably the service that pays artists the most and has multiple tiers of lossless audio options. The next best thing would be to buy from artists directly, whenever possible (maybe even physical media, if you have a good sound system for that).
  People here advocating for piracy sound cute, but I wonder how actual musicians would feel about that.
- Pirate everything. Pay directly to artists only when they allow you to do so (like direct sales on their website). If they don't allow you to make money go to them without also paying pigs then don't pay them at all.
  
  i wish people would understand that copyright and the entire existing economic system built around art are all intended to oppress the little guy.
  i think getting a grip on what you just said here is probably the first sort of real step in that direction for people.
  can’t even count the number of times i’ve had someone respond to me with some variation of “oh so you don’t care about the artists’ WORK/LABOR/BALLS then, do you??” as some sort of accusation because i said something negative about copyright… when that’s not remotely the case - for me it’s based in a sentiment very similar to this ethos here regarding piracy. to me, the brain dead people rabidly defending a system where leeches can MitM artists and their clients are the ones who don’t care about artists or their work.
  
  What options are there for pirating music? I felt Lidarr was not particularly useful due to the lack of indexers. Unless you like mainstream music it's quite difficult to find many tracks online (and I'm too picky to be okay with YouTube rips).
  Considering music streaming isn't fragmented in the same way video streaming is, it's still well worth paying for a music streaming service as part of a family plan imo. There's no other hassle free solution to instantly listen to anything I want and be recommended new tracks based on my listening preferences.
  I don't think there's any particularly "ethical" option, until now I've just used Spotify knowing that they're losing money anyway. But it turns out they posted their first profitable year last year so who knows what the move is now. Qobuz claims to be ethical and high quality, but I don't know how good the library is and like with any company they can become evil later.
- Download MP3's or FLAC's
  
  I'm autistic. If I'm not using some kind of a subscription service I will end up listening to the same one song on repeat literally thousands of times until I hate it. I would prefer to not hate songs I used to love. It's happened too much. I need some kind of service to introduce new music into my rotation.
- host it yourself.
- There's no ethical consumption under capitalism

I've been on Tidal for some time but noticed that Qobuz has released a connect service that seems to work like Sp*tify Connect so that you can remote control one instance from another. Like, playing music on computer connected to amp can be controlled through the phone.
I'd appreciate if somebody using Qobuz could confirm?
- I'm using Qobuz, can confirm, it's just like Spotify. I use a Raspberry Pi with Qobuz.com open and using my phone as a remote.
  
  Can you start a session where your friends can add music to the queue and control it?
  
  Thanks! Do you know if it possible to run Qobuz headless or in a docker container or some of the sort? I did some searching but couldn't find anything.

Dammit, I was pretty happy with it :(
- Yeah, me too. I left Spotify because they support right wing dumbfucks. Then went to Deezer because "Buy Form EU". And now this shit ... Why can't we have nice, morally okayish things?

I literally switched from Spotify yesterday…
Everyone says bandcamp is a good alternative but the main added value from streaming services, for me, is discovery. I don’t think I can afford the time to go on bandcamp and download every song I like one by one. I would also be lost when in need to discover new music.
- My biggest issue with Bandcamp is that there's so many artists I listen to that just aren't on there.
  
  Had the same issue, but between Bandcamp and Qobuz I find I'm not lacking much. Since I'm buying the songs anyway I don't care too much about having multiple apps for my music.
- I find that it's really easy to find new artists and albums I like on Bandcamp. I just started by following a few genres and listen to a some music at random. If I like it I add it to my whislist and carry on. And I just listen to the "new and hot" section. Gives way better results and more variety than Spotify ever did for me.
  From time to time I go to my whislist and listen to some of it again and usually decide to either buy the album or delete it from my whislist.
  I also use Qobuz for more mainstream artists that's not on Bandcamp.
  Recently started to put all my purchases into Jellyfin for easier management between the services.
  I also have a few pirated playlists of my favorite songs from years ago. I go through them when I have time and money and see if I like the songs enough to buy some albums or songs from the artists.
- I like Tidal, it pays the artists the most of all services.
  
  Tidal might pay the most of streaming services (others in here are claiming it's Qobuz) but Bandcamp pays the most to artists in general as the purchases pay much higher than streams. Bandcamp charge 15%, everything else goes to the band/label until they hit $5k in sales, and then Bandcamp's fee drops to 10% and stays there for additional sales. If you wait to buy in bulk on 'Bandcamp Fridays', which happen about 10 times a year, the artists take 100% on those days.
  Imo Bandcamp is by far the best service for supporting artists.

YSK he's ukrainian and has since decades lived in the west, US/Shitrael.
He's a jewish zionist POS.
So he's a western oligarch, but don't let facts keep you from blaming 'the Russians'
- YSK that he grew up in Yaroslavl, Russia to Russian-speaking Jewish parents. Calling him "Ukrainian" just because he was born in Odesa during the Soviet Union is misleading. He had/has close ties to the Russian state and became wealthy off of Russian oil and aluminium deposits in the 90s.
  So yes, you can blame "the Russians", but you should rather blame the system.
  
  He emigrated to the US in 1978.
  He has dual US/UK citizenship,like many horrible zionists. Studied at Columbia.
  "became wealthy off of Russian oil and aluminium deposits in the 90s."
  Like many western oligarch who leeched the ex-soviet states under Gorbachev and Yeltzin, the sell outs.
  These are facts, completely ridiculous to demonise Russia for this american-brit POS just bcs he has Russian roots.
  " but you should rather blame the system."
  What system?
  If you mean the US/UK horrible imperialist and colonial warmongers and genocide supporters causing misery in the world then yes.
  Glad they are circling the drain, their time is over.
  You can cry about evil Russia, China or whatever, that won't change reality.

you guys need to understand that there are no goodguy rich folk

Hi, I’m interested to know what you’re using now!

Get Tidal instead
Or better yet buy directly from the artist
I don't understand the mental gymnastics some people do to reach the conclusion that piracy is the "ethical thing" to do. What about the artists? How is that any better for us? If you all pirate then we go from getting peanuts to getting nothing.
In fact, piracy sort of birthed streaming in the first place. There were Limewire and Napster, then streaming platforms came along to basically legalize piracy... Hell, the Spotify CEO used to be the CEO of uTorrent
People used to upload pirated music to YouTube. So you know what happened? YouTube came up with their song detection system that now pays artists when their track is streamed, even if it was uploaded by someone else. Even if it plays in the background of a vlog. See what I mean? Legalized piracy.
PS: I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed
- Tidal is ok, its american though and they suck.
- Oh no what will Taylor Swift do? Pirating from someone with $30 versus $2 billion are 2 very different things, bud. Plus non megastar artists typically make more of their money from things like performances and merch these days.
  
  the megastars aren’t the ones we care about making money, they’re fine. it’s the 99% of the rest of the artists that either get screwed by the labels or are independent and rely on fan support
  
  Well if you only listen to Taylor Swift then that's valid, but most people have a more diverse music taste so for them this doesn't apply. The artists I personally listen to (and the labels they're signed to) are often relatively small and genuine, and to them every bit of income is appreciated. Obviously merch, shows, and direct music sales help more, but getting paid more by streaming services sure would help a great deal as well.

Please just tell me that Qobuz is fine. My last straw before going back to piracy.
- @Lanske@lemmy.world: Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify
- Bandcamp?
  (ignoring the fact that it was owned by Epic. But they still do Bandcamp Friday)
  
  I'm trying to focus on European offerings. Bandcamp is based in California, I think. Recent months have shown that US companies cannot be relied on.

As a music artist and software engineer, I wish more self hosted options were accessible. I’ve tried and stopped a few times to build an open source platform like that but there’s always some kind of software knowledge needed, whether it be just for deploying. Faircamp is a really neat project, but it’s not really accessible to most artists. Till then I think Bandcamp is the best option.
For me personally, I’m no longer planning to release music to most of the streaming services. It’ll be either sold directly on my website using Stripe for payments or via Bandcamp.
There are ways import downloaded music to local libraries on apps like Spotify which helps a bit. But still an inconvenience for the average fan of music that just wants to search or discover and hit play.

There's barely any ethical options anymore...
- Piracy!
  
  The two sides of Lemmy, Just a few posts over users were raging that Spotify only pays out billions of dollars to artists, now you're suggesting you just take their work and don't pay for it at all

They treat non mainstream artists badly. There is no reason why some artist should get bonuses
https://www.musicradar.com/news/universal-deezer-streaming-artist-centric-royalty-model

I only use it for deemix for easy piracy. I often use SoulSeek too. I was using Qobuz but most of these "we give more to the artist" services have their flaws, disorganized or missing bands.

This is good to know!
Signed up and paid for Deezer but it doesn’t work with my vpn (Mullvad) so I cancelled.
Now I’m in a similar situation as others in this thread - looking for a non-US music streaming, other than Spotify :-)
- Qobuz baby! French owned, hi-res, lots of human-written articles. The library still isn't as big as some, bit they've made insane strides in the last year or two (in app UI too). And they pay out good rates - for a streaming service. 🙄
  This plus bandcamp.
  
  How about Soundcloud? I ended up there and have been happy but knowing my luck someone will tell me that Putin and Netanyahu own it! :)
- Mullvad works with deezer on my Droid and imac?
  Best to move on anyway.
  +1 for tidal

suck deezer nuts

So deezer is owned by a geezer.

Never used it because of the stupid name, which happens a lot, figures though. I'll stick with Bandcamp.

They also removed regional pricing, which made it expensive in countries that have lower value currency.

The best Russian music service ever was allofmp3. Sadly long gone but fondly remembered.
- It was just a pirate server that charged for mp3s you realize, none of that money ever went to the artists.
  I never understood the appeal over Soulseek/emule (at the time).
  
  Of course it was piracy but it was friction free piracy. Not just the price which was low but having a really cool webstore and client application. There was nothing that the music industry offered that was remotely comparable in terms of the convenience that allofmp3 offered at the time.

i cant believe Divers Duomo would do this

good thing i've only been pirating songs that were ripped from deezer instead of paying for it.

reputation laundering against Ukraine
What does this mean?
- This needs a side of creamy Italian

wtf are russian billionaires doing supporting America's attack dog in the middle east anyway?
- He's pro russia, they like that
  
  And America is anti-Russia, so why would they support America's attack dog?
- The majority of Israelis are of Russian descent

Of course I read this the very same week I migrated from YouTube Premium / Music specifically since it looked like it did not have unitedstatian links.

I use refreezer lol

Really sad, I can recommend tidal though

I'm quickly running out of options.. Apple Music was honestly really decent, then the US did their thing so I looked for non-US options. One of my requirements is lossless quality, so Spotify is out (regardless of their own ethical issues). Tidal is also out as it has been a US-owned service for a long time. The remaining options are Deezer and Qobuz. Qobuz seems good in terms of ownership and whatnot, but their catalogue is missing things I listen to quite often, or at least it did when I last checked it out a few months ago. I think I'm staying with Deezer for now. It's not ideal as Access Industries own 41.4% of Deezer whose owner this post is all about, but it's the least bad of all the options I've found. They also don't have every song I'm interested in, but they're pretty close.
- I can recommend Qobuz. I've tried a bunch of them and it's the one I stuck with. Actual high quality audio without ridiculous extra fees, lots of information including CD booklets and complete credits on each track, and they pay the artists a bit more than most streaming services do. I haven't hit any notable gaps in their catalogue compared to others (though some artists just don't stream), and they have things Spotify doesn't have. Qobuz is also better for classical music than others, because they understand how to properly group and credit the tracks.
  
  Thanks for the recommendation. Qobuz has lots if things I would appreciate, but the last time I tried it it was missing a lot of the music I regularly listen to. It has only been a few months since then, but I will give it another try to see if it has changed.
- Doesn't that make it 41.4% US-owned? I don't see how your criteria make Deezer better than Apple Music. Plus Access is the same company that owns Warner Music Group, and I'm fairly sure it's only 41.4% because they later went public in 2022; the 2016 acquisition decision says the percent of Deezer owned by Access is confidential but says Access would have exclusive control. Which also brings the question of where the 41.4% figure is from.
  Do you really want to support something that expressly funds the policies and aspects of the US that you hate or something that's simply based in the US and helped fund just Trump's inauguration event instead of any policies?
  
  True, which is why I don't think Deezer is a perfect choice for me either, but at the surface level 41.4% US-owned is better than closer to 100% which all the other services are that meets my requirements. Personally I found that number on the Deezer Wikipedia page, but it is marked with "citation needed", so it could be completely wrong. And that probably is the case if it's true that Access bought exclusive control.
  "The US that you hate" doesn't exist. I disagree with a lot of decisions and policies and want better for the American people and the rest of the world that is both directly and indirectly affected, but there's no hate. But you do make an important point that I hadn't thought deeply enough about and I agree with you. I believe it's better to support something that’s simply based in the US rather than the specific policies I disagree with even if it's more money.
  Qobuz would be my choice as it would avoid this dilemma, but their catalogue wasn't good enough for me the last time I tried it. I'll have to try again to see if it has gotten better since then. But I have changed my mind and will cancel my Deezer subscription regardless and try to find an alternative. Or maybe I'll just drop streaming services completely for now as most of my active listening is done with my own local collection anyways and I could always set up a Jellyfin instance if needed.
- i'm facing the same dilemma. i just recently left spotify. tidal and qobuz don't have nearly enough of my favorite music, so i went with deezer. i really don't want to give apple any more money, but i'm wondering which would be better...

While we're talking about it, does anyone have an MP3/DAP they would recommend?
- Check out dankpods, he does (among other things) reviews of mp3 players. A lot of modern DAPs are catered toward audiophiles so expect to pay a premium if you want something new. He still uses and recommends old iPods. You can mod them to have expanded storage and better battery life if you feel like tinkering too
- honestly i'd say lg android phones. quite a few of them had good DACs

I remember trying to download Deezer once years ago, but it was like Nope sir not in the United States in this lifetime

Those bastards always literally wanting the world at their feet.

Fuck :(

The Same with Telegram, his fiunder - Nikolai Dutov still lives in Russia and CEO lives in UAE.

- You lost?

’s as bad as the shit Spotify does and has done IMO.
What hte hell did spotify do that made you so mad?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Spotify
  https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/spotifys-ceo-invests-1-billion-into-an-ai-military-startup-and-musicians-are-fuming/news-story/78805666e2374281801622066dc87319
  
  lol you linked to news.com.au, one of the big mega-evil newspapers in Australia owned by Rupert Murdoch, same guy who owns fox news
  Also, cool, they're right next door to Russia, defence industry has been on the rise for a while now, some would say post around March 2022...
  https://www.livewiremarkets.com/wires/9-surging-european-defence-stocks-as-transatlantic-tensions-intensify
  The spotify CEO invests in a defence company it's proper grasping at moral straws

And most of americas donating to israel or whatever the fk idc if it works for me lol

Yeah seems to me that Spotify is the way to go. And for the artists you really like, buy the album or donate to them in addition to listening them via streaming.

I like him already