Idaho bans ‘Everyone Is Welcome Here’ classroom signs, calling them ideological
Chris Hayes: Idaho bans ‘Everyone Is Welcome Here’ classroom signs, calling them ideological
I think it's really weird that inclusion is political.
Well, duh. By saying "All are Welcome Here", we are excluding people who want to exclude people. And they are the ones in charge right now. So simply saying "everyone is welcome" is now subversive, against Presidential policy, and anti-American.
Your citizenship is hereby revoked, ICE will be here soon to ship you to Gitmo CECOT South Sudan Alligator Auschwitz
That actually isn't weird at all. People treat "politics" as an epithet for "controversial politics", but in reality, almost everything in society is political – relating to power structures, the distribution of status and resources, and how those factors are determined. What you're getting at, of course, is that Republicans have shifted the Overton window so disgustingly far to the right that "everyone is welcome" in a classroom is treated as a controversial ideology.
We're constantly conditioned to think of the status quo as apolitical in nature (it's just "normal" and the people who want to change it for better or worse are "the politicals"), but it is and always has been, and it's why we've needed so desperately these past several decades to remain politically engaged to protect what we want and to change what we don't. Now? Who knows, but we still need to try.
Great comment. Taking it further, making "politics" inherently negative has a lot of propaganda value to power. The people in charge generally want to defend the status quo, so they'd rather depoliticize the populace. This is why you get such strange contradictions as the people in charge constantly attacking "political elites" or "the swamp" or whatever. They're trying to discredit politics itself to consolidate their power. Similarly, when they do want to change something, they say "it's not politics; it's common sense." They want a population that feels like politics is something inherently dubious, or at least just not worth their time and effort.
Inclusion has always been and will always be a political project, because there are people who want power and who will use it to exclude people for whatever reason.
I think you mean that it is weird that inclusion is controversial.
To me, inclusion is the foundation of politics. It is the uniting idea that people with no blood relation - strangers - can come together to build something that benefits all.
Trump and his gang want to move on from politics. They despise democracy and disdain a system that benefits anyone who isn't part of their exclusive circle. And for the record, their circle does not include Trump supporters - the maga-hat wearing rubes are just the tools that Trump is using to monopolize wealth and power for his immediate friends and family.
When Trump has achieved what he wants, there will be no more politics in the USA. There will only be the Great Leader and those who exist to serve him.
It always seems odd to me that "politics" is often conflated with "nationalism" or just plain government. That's not really what politics is, politics is power plays and public relations. It's more marketing than it is governance.
Inclusion can be a part of politics, in the same way it's part of companies advertising during pride month... but it's not the foundation of it.
Why would you consider it weird?
Conservatism is an exclusionary framework, it divides sharply 'us' vs 'them'
When we say "Maybe poor people deserve medical care too", they hear "I will have to work to pay the bills of someone I hate"
So, yes, inclusion is directly contrary to their core values, and they have learned that whenever they shout the word 'Political!' it gets people to back down, so they use it ALL the fucking time
The part most of these stories leave out is that the signs are sold by the local democratic party. It would be interesting to see the outcome for a sign with the same message but without that baggage.
It isn’t. Fascists claim that it is so they can suppress it. It’s as simple as that.
must consider whether the displayed flag or banner illustrates or shows someone’s opinion, emotions, beliefs, or thoughts regarding politics, economics, society, faith, or religion.”
So that means nothing about Christianity then, right?
Time for the sartre quote again.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
The assholes know what they are doing. They know they are hypocritical. They don't care. You cannot engage in conservatives/anti-semites/fascists/et al with reason because they will not argue in good faith. They are bad people. Selfish, fearful, people.
No no no. You can't curtail HIS free speech!
Seems to me like flags are usually political and/or ideological in nature... That's, like, one of the main reasons we use flags at all. The US flag is political, the Idaho flag is political, banners that say "Merry Christmas" are gonna have to be left out of schools, even "Happy Birthday" is going to read like religious favoritism to someone like a Jehovah's Witness. Especially if the Christofascist snowflakes can't even be bothered to put up with "Everybody is welcome here". Why would anyone else feel inclined to put up with their shit?
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Remember when schools were having a War On Christmas and removing all signs on Christianity and Christmas displays? So much that South Park made strawmen of the schools to make fun of. Pure projection.
No. Bible in every backpack, forced morning prayer and flag salute is the law now. rules for thee but not for me
Conservatives hate anything that reminds them to be better humans, because they aren't.
I hate the whole conservative Christian doctrine. Saying you NEED religion or else you'll be a terrible person and do terrible things. It's like, goddamn I dont need religion to have morality and know what's right and wrong. And then these fuckers have the gall to say godless heathens are the evil ones while doing the exact things Jesus told them NOT to do!
You’re looking at it completely wrong.
Fundamentally it doesn’t matter if you are a good person. Even the nicest most moral of us are sinners in the eyes of Christians.
What matters is that you are forgiven by god for your sins. Even if you lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery etc. Going to church and being absolved of your sins makes you a good person and welcome by god.
The worst people I have met are Christians for this very reason. They believe they have been absolved of their wrongs in the eyes of god and you have not.
This is the tshirt I’m wearing today. Fuck Idaho.
They'll probably try to claim that blood comes from the heart, and so those hands represent jesus hznds with stakes through them, and everyone loves jesus.
You know. Mental gymnastics. Just anything to reaffirm their own world view since you are challenging it.
they're already foolish enough without you having to strawman them...
Whether you're black, white, or...an android?
Measure of a Man.
Data from Star Trek's rights are being acknowledged
when I was in early years of school there were twins with no pigment that were pale as chalk and had hair like fiber optic strands. sunscreen needed indoors to not turn red. never seen either since but I found out its possible to be literally white.
WTF is the pledge of allegiance supposed to be when it says "under god" in it? How come we can't ban bibles and qurans from school? What are they?
Never understood how so many people just blindly stood and recited and the pledge in school. I stopped after 5th grade when I started to realize how fucked the system is
Fine. "Everyone except Evangelical Christians are welcome here."
I'd phrase it differently. "Bigots not welcome, Everyone else has a home here."
Q: What about that massive photo of Trump and the backpack checks for DEI literature
A: That's fine why do you ask
Once upon a time, Stephen Colbert ('s character) uttering "It's a well known fact that reality has a liberal bias" was regarded as satire. Now, I wouldn't be so sure.
The party told you to reject your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
I think the core problem is politics. I've met left leaning people who are just as brainwashed as some conservatives.
I've met uninformed and opinionated without a basis people who were left leaning, but I've never met anyone as cult-y as the MAGA. There is no way to get through to them--none. Their faces could be on fire, and they wouldn't put out the fire with water if water was proposed by the main-stream media to put out fires.
Good! If Jesus were RESURRECTED Today we would NOT want Him seeing such FILTH as "Everyone Is Welcome Here"!
Kind of telling on themselves here, right? If "everyone is welcome" is an "ideology", kinda indicates the person labeling as such is against it. I say this because the societal norms on paper for every major philosophy or ideology would be in favor of that idea, and if it strikes you as staking a claim to something new, it probably took some mental effort to get to that conclusion. Would "be kind" be ideology? Technically yes I guess it is, but I doubt these people would be pissed about it and call it out like this. Are they asking for those cat posters saying "hang in there" to be taken down? That's preaching the "ideology" of persistence.
They just called out "everyone is welcome here" and you think they WOULDN'T take issue with "be kind"?
I think that one they wouldn't admit to because it pre-dates the reading of anything about equality as referring to their out-groups.
They don't want 'everyone' ... they just want 'white christian people of european descent'
When you are a brown person, the messaging from these asshats is always the same racist bullshit we've heard for hundreds of years
My list of reasons to never visit Idaho just keeps getting longer and longer.
no need to go, unless you're a potato truck driver
Well, the signs are ideological, in that they conflict with the state-enforced ideology. Curiously, churches are getting in trouble discussing the beatitudes, since they (yes, Jesus' own words) are in conflict with the state-enforced ideology.
What is scary is when there's insufficient resistance to the state-enforced ideology that runs contrary to classic virtues / traditions of compassion, hospitality, mercy, etc. This is the banal evil that lets abductions, renderings, concentration camps and eventually genocide happen.
If you don't fight with banners today, you'll have to fight with guns tomorrow.
I wouldn't say it's banal, though. It's pretty aggressively evil. And you write about "eventually genocide", when ethnic cleansing efforts are well underway already.
For decades now, I'm been warning about the era of this regime, and got a lot of oh yeah? Where are the death camps?
Dachau was operative in 1933. The Wannsee Conference was in 1942, after which the Auschwitz model was replicated at other camps, and the final solution to the Jewish question was applied to the general contained population, rather than just disabled, mentally ill and gays.
So in the timeline of the German Reich, the death camps appeared rather late, and I tend to err on the side of understatement, even though officer involved killings, and punitive fatalities in US prisons have been routine for decades at a rate of ~1000/year
I mean, it is ideological, like saying "All men are equals" or "Eating healthy leads to a longer life". I wish people would just come out and say what they really mean. Are the same teachers striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal?
It’s the politicians who are striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal.
Although, teachers probably consider themselves more equal than their students.
How does the “all lives matter” crowd feel about this?
So it's the next sign to hang up going to read "not everyone is welcome here? ".
Sorta reminds me of the "No Lives Matter" posters featuring Cthullu. What used to seem comically bad and absurd is now being passed into law.
Every political party and opinion is ideological. That's the very definition of the word. Using it as something pejorative is stupid.
It's not stupid, it's an effective tactic because dems are obsessed with appearing proper
the right doesn't even care about the correct meaning, all they know is that whenever they shout about it dems back off
It's how they roped Biden into going 'tough on crime' in the 90s
It IS ideological that we demand due process, because our ideologies support freedom and personal expression, and it IS abhorrent to them that we have ideologies strong enough to fight over
Their ideologies all form around harming others, of COURSE anything humane will piss them off
Well I've definitely felt unwelcome in the States. Good to see they're being honest about it at least.
When are we giving France their statue back?
seems overdue at this point, especially with the extremely hateful poem on it /s
Obligatory: so... not everyone is welcome there. Roger that
idaho rly just said not everyone is welcomed here
Ideas in school are bad mmkay
God Republican Christians are such cunts.
Devil Republican Christians are even worse, trust me.
It is ideological...
That is what school is in part
Ban rightwingers from living & breathing. Only way to get a better world for people with compassion
Idaho is a fucking backwards social dump. The poor think they are rich because the land is a beautiful place and you get a lot of state and federal land that's available to anyone who wants to use it
but living 20 miles from the boarder most of my life had shown me how much of a social shit hole it is
Like driving there with Washington plates will single you out. Like parking and people in the parking lots will be rude to you for the audacity for wanting to visit their spaces and yet a huge population of theirs works in Washington State. So at rush hour, in the morning you see lots of Idaho plates going west and then in the evening they go east.
its not like we havn't know for ages that its a backwards place, but its nice to see the rest of the world coming to understand it
The mind-boggling thing about Idaho to me is that they have convinced a bunch of people from Oregon that Idaho is so great that a bunch of counties should secede and join Idaho.
I’m not making this up. It’s called the Greater Idaho Movement. They want to take over about 2/3 of Oregon.
I learned about this after moving to Oregon and was relieved to hear that at least my county had already voted against it.
Meanwhile areas of North Idaho want to be part of Washington, going back since before Idaho was even officially a state. I still think ideologically a small bit each of east Washington, northeast Oregon, and north Idaho splitting out to be a new state makes sense. But who in the world would ever want to straight join Idaho in it's current state...
Very Jesusy.
This is obviously to deal with excessive vampire problem schools are facing
Next up: Changing that pesky "E Pluribus Unum."
*except nazis.
Needed edits anyway.
Idaho doesn't want kids being any smarter than the adults in change. Which is anything after 3rd grade.
I wish they were wrong that it was a big political or ideological divide, but here we are.