Of course he has

If your way of making money makes you really fear people will be mad at you, you should be asking yourself what's wrong with your way of making money. That is, if you care. But if you don't care don't whine.
- I know which compound I’m targeting first.
- I think they know the system is unfair. They are just greedy fucks who’d prefer to squeeze it completely dry to benefit themselves.
  
  Capitalism being about companies competing to provide value to society is a myth we tell. Otherwise no one would have a problem.

I don't remember who said it, but I think about this comment a lot:
All these billionaires would rather spend their wealth building bunkers for when their actions cause social collapse, instead of trying to prevent social collapse in the first place.
- The thing is, none of these bunkers are built by billionaires. Would be real unfortunate if they had some design flaws in them lol
  
  Many Bothans have died to bring us this intel.
  
  Doesn't need to be any design flaws, a few minutes with a welder and/or a truck load of concrete at the door once they're in there would render the whole billionaire problem "solved", Hotel California style.
  
  Probably won't protect them from things like direct conventional bombardment of bombs or even bunker busters. Or even a nuke
- These assholes always fantasize that their wealth and accumulation of luxury items will grant them the leg up to become rulers during the social collapse. They don't realize that in case of a social collapse the world won't immediately look like Mad Max, and they certainly aren't Immortan Joe. It will look more like Children of Man. Very slow and very gradual and with a lot mass governmental violence, not small arms violence.
- Because becoming a billionaire itself contributes to society’s collapse. They are opposite goals.
- Further, they don't have what it takes to survive off the land, nor the intimidation to warlord after.
  Other than a pensioners its difficult to imagine someone more dependant on the systems.
  
  No wilderness survival skills, how do they know which berries to eat and which will poison you, or which animal carcass have a ton of parasites you should never eat, never eat a carnivore or an animal that eats mostly carrion.
- I don't think they necessarily "prefer" it. It's more just that they have what is an unimaginable amount of money in comparison to us, why not invest to preserve your long term survival?
  They have already dealt with the normal shit the rest of us have to. They have a house, car, enough money for them and their families to never work again, to do whatever hobbies they like with no restriction.
  If you are someone with a worth of a billion, this bunker development will cost something like 10m. That's 1% of your wealth. It would be the same as the median American spending $1920 in pure relative terms, but probably would have an effect more like $500 on their real finances (again, every other need has been financially met long, long ago)
  
  Well, because I'm not a sociopath I think preserving the world's ecosystems is more important than a few years at the tail end of my life. Doomsday bunker with a Mad Max stockpile wouldn't occur to me as a thing to actually do.
- Douglas Rushkoff
  Author, media theorist, and cool guy
  Does the Team Human podcast
- To be fair, what could a single billionaire do? They are far more powerful than most, but they would have to cooperate with other billionaires to make that change.
  There are 3000 billionaires. Who is going to stick their head out if the necessary changes will be opposed by many billionaires as well as huge parts of the regular population?
  It would be better for society to improve itself instead of waiting for a solution by the billionaires. Difficult while being trained to be a consumer, but possible.
  
  They might start fighting turning on themselves
  
  The solution is to cull billionaires. They can lose their wealth or their heads, either will make a better society
- And they all already have, insane, there is our trickle down economics at work, they would rather hoarde and spend every last cent on a bunker right before they drop dead from old age than give back to the world

I read a book called Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven many years ago about a comet hitting the Earth. There was a scene in the book, after the impact, where a rich guy manages to finally reach a place up in the mountains where he has supplies stashed, only to find that his employees have claimed it for themselves and won't let him in because he's basically useless in the new world of survival.
If you were working for Huffman or Musk or any of the rest of them, and a there was a huge society ending disaster, would you let them in when they showed up or would you just shoot them down with their own guns? I know what I would do. I can't imagine anyone letting them in.
- It doesn't even have to be so combative.
  Imagine being thrown together with 99 other survivors of the apocalypse and 1 of them was musk.
  There's going to be medical people and trades people and farmers and naturalists and even people with governance experience from community groups et cetera.
  Imagine how utterly useless a billionaire would be in that context. Their entitlement would make them worse than useless. Like I'd rather be stuck with nanna who is just a drain on resources rather than someone who's only skill is self interest.
  
  Nanna is the keeper of the stories and the only person who has the entire new testament memorised.
- That is such a great book.
  And yeah, fuck them. I would absolutely never let them in.
  
  Now ask yourself why these guys are suddenly so obsessed with AI, chatbots, and getting rid of roles previously staffed by humans.
- Cory Doctorow's Masque of the Red Death novella (named after Poe's story of the same name) explores this theme a lot, especially how short sighted the rich can be and how well the poor band together to rebuild.
  Here's the free audio book:
  https://archive.org/download/Cory_Doctorow_Podcast_332/Cory_Doctorow_Podcast_332_-_The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death.mp3
  
  Ooh, free Edgar Allen Poe book? Are you trying to be my new best friend?
- Didn't read the book but I get the scenario after a hypothetical world changing disaster, it's going to be a ratrace for high ground. It's a false sense of security to believe hoarding cash or guns or vehicle would be your ticket out of it, it's called pride and hubris.
  A motor/car can't swim. Weapons are a sign of hostility. Cash could be useless. Even having access to an escape satellite doesn't guarantee you'll be hit by space trash or cosmic plasma streams. The Road is a example how depressing the aftermath really is.
  
  The Road is a good example; this thread also has me thinking about the Amos and Clarissa arc after the meteors hit in The Expanse.
- Being hired as security at a billionaire's Hawaiian apocalypse bunker has got to be the best job imaginable. You get paid to live in a tropical paradise in case The Worst should happen. If The Worst actually does happen, you just go inside the bunker and lock the doors, and if the billionaire shows up, you don't let him in. Easy peasy.
- people like musk, thiel,altman have built complexes in other countries( mostly thiel,NZ) in case billionaires finally becomes the target they richly deserved, how are they going to staff thier complexes? with harems of women in cas thiel men, and slaves, willing to go with them.

- Dude could have been cast as a white walker and HBO would have saved a ton in VFX and makeup costs.
  
  An alien sent to earth
- Fuck that guy.
- Bunker Boy! Pale as can be for rotten is he.

Where are you getting the gas, Steve? Gas is only good for a few months in storage without treatment and a couple of years with it. Have you never read a fucking book?
- "Gas goes bad."
  -Phillip "Tandy" Miller
- Petroleum distillation is incredibly simple. Give me a couple weeks in a junkyard with a welder and I can have your crude refined to any weight distillate you want. People were distilling petroleum fuels a century before penicillin was invented.
  Fuck piss baby spez. But of you should see the crude "refineries" around the world run with just a tank, heated by the same crude inside, with just a long pipe as a condernsor that people manually water cool.
  
  Key words in that sentence: give you those things. I doubt the lord tech bro could do any of that if the apocalypse happened tomorrow.
  Even the janky version requires skill and knowledge, and if he doesn’t have the crude then both are useless anyway. Building a hole in the ground with motorcycles doesn’t help you when you depend on a highly connected world to fuel and maintain it.

The really funny thing about Spez is that he's far from a power player in the tech scene, nowhere near the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg. But he so desperately wants to be that he actually just looks sad and pathetic in the process.
Wtf is he going to do with his stockpile of motorbikes during the apocalypse? Start a Mad Max biker crew? What a fkn loser lol.
- He's just going to the next tier of cuck that provides bikes for the raiders that get in his bunker. They should keep him alive as a manservant when his little apocalypse plan falls apart.
  
  I can just imagine this as a scene in a fallout game. Lonely old rich fuck hidden away for years. You ring the intercom and he's so excited to hear another voice that he invites you in. Starts spewing shit opinions. You eventually realize he could've helped stop the apocalypse but built the bunker and profited instead. Look at all the loot. Inform him he can either become a smear on the wall or caretaker of your new place.
  
  He will flee to musk's compound in Texas at the first sign of trouble, trying to be part of his harem
  
  Danny mcbride's gonna slot right in there
- I just want to know the evidence for the motorcycles. Is it really a "stockpile" of them, or is he a rich removed and likes motorcycles like jay leno likes cars?
  
  I agree. Many people are imagining, "instead of using his vast wealth to fix the world, he dedicates all his money and mental energy to an elaborate bunker that will ensure his survival in a specific apocalyptic scenario he believes is likely to happen."
  It might be more like, "amongst all the random wealthy-person shit he's bought, there are guns and motorcycles (because he thinks they are cool) as well as a pantry full of canned food (because everyone should have an emergency kit and you never know).
  But I could be wrong.
- He did what musk ask if him on moderating reddit twice, which let 2 waves of massive bans, plus the ongoing shadow and. And I heard they changed something. Recently to catch even the more sophisticated ban eveders

The first thing people will do when society collapses is head to where the billionaires live to raid their stockpiles.
- If any are successfully defended, I propose we simply push a bunch of rocks on top of it.
  
  Shit next to the intake vents. Make that spot the communal toilet. Lets see how long the filters last

Multiple motorcycles? What's he gonna do, ride them all at once?
- If you have a bunch of motorcycles going in a line and you ride another motorcycle on top of that line like a conveyor belt then you will be going twice as fast as the highest speed the single motorcycle could go.
  
  More wheels is more faster, just like legs. That's why horses are faster than people. This Huffman guy might be onto something
  
  If you stack them enough you can approach light speed as well!
- Obviously him (and all the other oligarchs behaving like this) are counting on their entourage of sycophants following them. I don't think they have completely considered the fact that all of their untangible wealth will be worthless in an apocalypse situation, and instead they will just turn into golden geese sitting on a pile of stuff that everyone else, including their former sycophants, would like to sit on instead.
  
  There was some guy that got to interview a bunch of billionaires for some reason and their views on an apocalypse situation are eye opening.
  making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”.
  https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff
- with his OpenAI androids supplied by ZUCKERBORG and altman
- Motorcycle centipede

I always find it funny that people imagibe that in an apocalypse a modern fossil fuel vehicle would be any good. Unless you know how to modify the engine to use realistically self-producable fuel you will be able to run it for only a few months before all the fuel in the world degrades and starts destroying/not running the engine. Better off getting electric vehicles as electricity is actually easy to produce.
- A bicycle isn't a bad thing to have in an apocalypse. Not difficult to maintain, considerably faster and more efficient than walking, basically no infrastructure required.
  
  For sure, but there would be use cases for bigger vehicles, especially if you don't want to be on the run but rather rebuild
- Better to get a horse and a mule.
- Wood gas conversion
  
  Unrelated? How would that apply to cars?
- Batteries are for sure harder to make than petroleum.
  
  Depends on the battery, but sure, but they would last a few years, and some types of batteries would last even more
  
  Lead-acid batteries aren't great, and you do need some care to recycle them to make them like new, but it can be done. They're good enough to run a small hauler that would be useful in and around your bunker.

I say that when the billionaires retreat into their bunkers we should all cover the entrances and vents with a couple hundred layers of concrete.
- They're just building latrines for future civilizations.
- There are things called bunker busters too
  
  Those are too fast. I prefer to let them rot.

Insane strategy, Silicon Valley execs. Sell the thing that you believe is gonna cause the apocalypse so you can afford to have apocalypse insurance. That definitely needed to happen...
- This is it.. how about these dudes stopped preparing for the apocalypse that they themselves are causing, and instead changed the reality they've created, thus preventing said apocalypse from taking place in the first place..
  
  That would require empowering the poors and they can’t be having that
  
  But then number go down

Nawww is the little piggy boy scared we're gonna come for him?
Good.

Just collecting shit for badder men really. Dumb.
- Gee, it was really considerate for these folk to collect all the shit our bandit rover band needed all in one place. Shame we had to eat all of them though.
  
  Eat? No thanks. I don’t need that billionaire prion disease

Rushkoff wrote a book about consulting for these billionaire peppers.
https://rushkoff.com/books/survival-of-the-richest-escape-fantasies-of-the-tech-billionaires/
- That's really interesting thanks
  
  My library had copies available in ebooks and audiobooks, too

All these billionaires stockpiling in their secure bunkers have clearly never heard of the word 'siege'.
- seige only works if the besieged don't have enough supplies and food production.
  
  Well, if you can find the bunker and have nothing but time on your hands, you can get through concrete.
  
  That may have been true before explosives technology was developed

Self fulfilling prophecy

Hilarious and sad considering those techbros are creating the conditions for a possible economic collapse, such as playing with creepto.
Oh yes, kinda reminds me of reading a chapter in World War Z (the book with its dark comedy is still more entertaining than the humorless movie), like how one character found himself on an island full of rich people... Guess what happened next?
- If I remember correctly their bodyguards turn on them and kill them in their bunkers.
  
  A parallel, similar would be ghandis govt in the 70s, was murdered by their own bodyguards because the pm was targeting sikh people for persecution.
- I think there's a kind of sunk cost fallacy at work with preppers. Many of them start with the notion that it's good to be prepared, just in case. However, being prepared for this sort of thing isn't a casual exercise. It's a whole hobby.
  What if the collapse doesn't come? All that time and effort would be wasted. Better do something to make it collapse.

I would like for them to find out the hard way that the characteristics to be a leader in a Neo-liberal capitalistic society are not the same in an apocalyptic wasteland.
And by hard way, I mean that they would be made the fucksock of charismatic warlord.
- fucksock
- Theres a book that an advisor for the billionaire bunkers wrote, sorry my phone is glitchy so I can't look it up without abandoning this post. I heard an interview with him where he said he would always circle back to "if you use your vast wealth to improve these societal issues, there isn't a need for a bunker". They won't hear it. They're driving towards the apocalypse because they are all racing to be the richest. Nothing else matters.

Electric motorcycles? Do preppers have an understanding of how gasoline absorbs water from the air and is substantially worse within a matter of months? Even with stabilizer, you get a few years out of it, tops. What are you going to use for the rest of your life?
To be fair, the writers of post-apocalyptic Hollywood movies don't understand it, either.
- Create your own gasoline refining plant in your bunker and crank out fuel as you need it? Should be fine because motorcycles don't use a lot of gas. But you would think if you had tons of money you might put some solar panel stuff in storage as well just in case
- Could always set up a refinery of sorts.
  And while gas absorbs water from the air, I'm sure there is an expensive way to if not outright prevent it, than slow it down way more than current mass adopted storage.
  Off the top of my head i imagine some sort of giant glass tank involving vaccums and check valves would at least extend the usable life by a fair amount.
  And while there are a lot of popular motorcycles whose gas mileage is little better than a car there are also a good amount with amazing gas mileage.
  There's also the possibility of converting the motorcycles to alternate fuel sources like propane or natural gas.
  Or as these people are just rich assholes indulging in their fantasies they may really take their cue from movies.

The rich would rather live in an apocalypse than let workers have some more of the wealth that the workers themselves have created.

Would rich people want to live in a world where there is no one else to enslave?
- They will always find someone to enslave
  
  Yes, but one would think in an apocalypse bunker the pickings are slim
- Waiting for robot slaves, assuming they don't follow the path of cylons

At least i know where to find the motorcycles, guns and food when the apocalypse comes

It's almost like we should strike now before they have a chance to run and hide.

at least we know who to rob.

AI isn’t the problem. AI in a capitalist system is the problem. People don’t need to do jobs that aren’t necessary any more to survive unless you are in a capitalist system that puts profit over society. People need to be taken care of regardless of their “value” to the capitalist machine. Communism focuses on allocating resources to all people because people deserve to be taken care of as part of a functioning society. If we didn’t live in a harsh capitalist system of exploitation of labor, AI would be seen as a way to further enhance society and would be developed responsibly.
- AI isn't the problem. Greedy, power-hungry people are. Tale as old as time (the saying will be even more true after AI solves time travel).
  
  Capitalism encourages and rewards greed. Societies needs to organize around elevation of the overall quality of life, not around a system that rewards our worst impulses.

That would be a nice vault to loot.

How's this prick planning to reach the bunker in case of societal collapse/apocalypse?
- I'm sure he'll find unpaid volunteers to carry his ass, that he'll sell out once they reach the bunker.
  /s

Bunker boy should be the first to go into hole
- thiel, musk, bezos, altman, they have thier palaces, complexes much like putin does.

People are crazy and we are ruled by the crazy

If you're in a bunker how many places can you ride your guns? Realistically.

Good to know. I will put it on the map of rich people to rob when life becomes a Mad Max movie.

They’re just preppers who happen to be wealthy. They’re no different than the poorer preppers who blame a CME or some nefarious plot that will catastrophically disrupt the world.
The only difference in their echo chambers is money.

It's ok, they're gathering supplies for the people. Once things start it'll all be in one convient place to take.

Aaron Swartz is spinning in his grave
Edit: Misspelled his last name
- Aaron ~~Schwartz~~
  Aaron Swartz
  
  Corrected. Thank you, kind stranger

Just don't ask about the dusty old box of VHS tapes.

"Bring cycles, guns and Huel" just doesn't have the same ring to it

The crappy thing, is that while they plan on a possible collapse of soceity, they could just as easily plan on what to do about all the displaced workers created, by all their technical solutions seeking problems.

Yeah, like these attention removed will stay in their bunkers and not come outside, like the ppl constructing them wont target them first to get themselves a fortresss, thats what id do if I made them and we had an apocalypse, id leave myself multiple backdoors
- thier BODYGUARD will be the ones to turn on them first, either tha tor thier harems , or thier slaves. take a lesson from indian govt in the 70s, when the ghandi(ghandis family) govt was in power, the pm was murdered(blown up with a bomb) by her sikh bodyguard because the pm decided to persecute them.
  this is whats going to happen to these billionaires, they would have to be paranoid as putin to escape potential threats.
  
  They desginated sikhs a warrior race/caste, made them their body guards, then werenlike hey we're gonna go kill your people protect us lol
  
  Well that was because irsrael trained indian military to do operation bluestar where they massacred hella civilians at the golden temple to get to one dude, which is what they do now lol
  
  india loves israel because they helped them consolidate their power, toppled the last of the sikh empire, punjab still doesnt have water rights, ima bring it up whenever since wikipedia says it was an alleged massacre and only like 100 ppl died when eye witness accounts say 1000s, but ppl trust the government here for some reason

https://hardpass.lol/post/13?scrollToComments=true

For real though... Why are so many people freaking the fuck out over AI? Sure. A robot can replace a forklift driver or a cashier. But there are an insane amount of jobs still that robots or ai can't replace for decades upon decades yet. But people believe that chatgpt will somehow create megabot blue collar workers within the next few weeks
- Because whether or not AI can actually do a certain job is irrelevant when the c-suite thinks it can.
  
  I've become convinced that the c-suite doesn't even care of they think AI can do a job. If they can convince investors and/or the board that they should dump money into it and their golden parachute, that's good enough.
  Now, if only there was a term for intentionally misleading people investing in your leadership into thinking something is much more capable than it really is and running with the cash...
- You're underestimating:
  The speed of progress of the current generation of AI
  The number of jobs that AI can already replace.
  Just how many fuckin' people are forklift drivers or cashiers
  The will of your employers to be rid of annoying, needy employees
  You're overestimating:
  The actual productivity of most people
  Your actual worth to your company
  How much company leaders understand about AI outside of "I can cut headcount by a lot"
  I think the part that most people miss is that it's not about being a 1:1 replacement. With proper use of the AI tools we have now, it's not at all unexpected for one person to be able to do the job of many by overseeing the running and output of AI agents. AI isn't going to replace whole industries (yet), but it is absolutely going to replace half of the members of a lot of teams.
  
  I think the thing I haven't quite sussed out is... Well, let's take Wal-Mart and Dollar General. Wal-mart and DG both have this weird niche of being both major employers for rural areas, as well as depending on nearly their employee base as customers. If they automate all their jobs away, who do they think they're going to be selling to? My guess so far is that all these MBAs think that certainly their customer base won't run out of cash by having their jobs automated away.
- But what do those forklift drivers and cashiers do?
- Is your vision for the rest of us merely a few weeks ?
  Or can you see past June 2025 at all from where you sit ?
- I agree that AI is overhyped and these billionaires are dumb out-of-touch psychopaths. All these people are in a kind of fascist/accelerationist cult (e/acc, Dark Enlightenment, etc). They're also trying to focus on automating the well-paying white-collar jobs away now. It was possible to automate fork-lift drivers away decades ago (I've worked in a factory that did just that), it's just usually cheaper to pay someone a low wage to do it.