Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris

Primaries are only competitive if the people show up to them.

NO! NO! NO!

NOOOOOOO!

Do not nominate Tim Walz you stupid assholes. He was the blue republican addon to make the progressive Harris campaign appeal to centrists and republicans. He wanted to "expand israel's borders". He was elected in a district that ran straight red like the blood of the innocence for a long time before he won it, and then he lost that district during the election.

Good. Maybe we can finally convince some people around here.

It's on Biden and Garland for not throwing Trump in prison the second his term ended.

Lots and lots of balls were dropped. Garland didn't get Trump in jail when he could have. Biden didn't stick to only one term. A democratic candidate wasn't really elected when Biden stepped down (for the record, I think that Harris was more than qualified, but a lot of people were upset that she was just "chosen"). Harris didn't try to stand out and be her own candidate - she mostly just stuck with the status quo and never disagreed with Biden. Etc etc etc.

A cascade of failures. Beyond Joe not man enough GTFO, the DNC once again anointed a letter instead of letting the public decide. yes, Joe should never have run for a second term. Given that he did, he should have dropped out sooner. Given that he didn't, the DNC should have had an open convention rather than putting their thumbs on the scale in back room deals.

Tim is 100% right that we would not be in this mess if they had won, but when is the DNC going to stop trying to manipulate everything and lie to us about it? They are to blame as much as Repugnacans.

Harris made choices. She could have chosen not to adopt every single one of Bidens policies. What was biden going to do, fire her? If you look back at her presidential run she really struggled to articulate any policies back then too.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump.

Biden shares a lot of the responsibility, but Harris and Walz were running on fundamentally faulty assumptions.

Biden made an appropriate decision to back out. He should have done it much sooner. But I'm not sure I would characterize the failings of Harris/Walz as Biden's fault. I don't really feel that's fair.

Harris' main draw was that she didn't want to do anything, which pissed off progressives. She was pro-establishment and pro-status quo. She didn't need Biden's help to not get votes... I have no love for Biden, but the truth is the truth.

This is on anyone who was within arms reach of Trump in the last decade and didn't take matters into their own hands.

They probably realised Harris wasn't going to win due to the amount of prejudice and thought Biden had a better chance against trump (who they'd have guessed would have been axed after his loss and criminality, but it was a cult), but then they let Biden to abdicate because there was truth in the criticism of him and the media ran with it..

At that point who else could they run? It was bad planning, not accounting for Biden's age/health and the cult of trump.

Also they should have given Bernie his shot. They didn't want real change and it's been forced on them anyway, but now to the detriment of all.

The DNC is a right-wing party and frankly benefits from the current fascist oligarchy too. They still get their bribes from corporate lobbyists all the same. VERY few representatives actually lean left and fight for us - hell, even Sanders, Walz, and AOC are centrists at best and routinely fall in line with the establishment.

2024 was no different than 2016. They didn't listen to their voting base whatsoever because they'd rather have a fascist in charge than give any credence at all to leftist policies, even if it costs them an election. Just look at some of the info coming out about Harris's campaign, where campaign workers were instructed to consider anyone asking about Gaza as a lost cause and not bother trying to earn their vote.

The whole party is rotten to the core and needs to be completely dismantled and replaced with an actual far left worker's party. As it stands right now, the DNC is essentially just a controlled opposition party, even if it's not entirely intended to be one.

Bernie's chances of running are pretty much up and over. He's like 83. The time to have gotten him in was definitely 2016, but the DNC wanted Clinton and that got them to lose. 2020, he lost again because everyone tone deaf wanted Biden because they believed "well, he was around Obama during his two terms, he should be in because he'll just continue what Obama built!". They only got lucky to have won 2020 with Biden, just lucky.

I cannot see Bernie Sanders ever running again.

"Weird" alienated voters. It's an example of bad messaging that the dems doubled down on that made them lose.

They lacked a platform that promised anything but more of the same that Americans were tired of. They needed to present something new and hopeful, not just lob an insult that much of America identifies with. A suite of policies to help the working class attracts votes to your side. Calling your opponents weird attracts votes to the weird anti-establishment.

Weird plays into the republican's hands, and it annoys the hell out of me how the dems decided to throw the election to focus on petty insults that come off as compliments to most observers.

A part of the problem is that they didn't hold back on broken and alienating messaging like "weird". They should have focused on talking about what they can do for the people.

I do blame them, though. They could have ridden the coattails of Biden's withdrawal all the way to victory, but instead Hartis capitulated and palled around on stages with Republicans instead of Walz.

The failure of the Democrat campaign has a lot of causes, but none more so than the failure of leadership.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump.

From the article:

"We have to make sure that Americans know it’s not just that Donald Trump is bad but we’re offering them something better," he continued. "And I think that’s what we need to work on."

That's an admission of culpability.

Nancy Pelosi is the leadership of the Democrats. And AOC was not allowed to become top house dem. They chose Gerry Atrick Connely instead.

AOC and Bernie will never be allowed to do anything besides sheepdogging progressives into the Democratic party. And at this point it appears they are fully on board with that.

Thank God Trump won, because now we get... checks notes... Mar-a-Gaza!?

So true. The republicans are clearly better.

i cant imagine its likely he would've even won in the first place, literally just schizophrenia politics.

Dear fucking God not Newsom. That dude is a bigger turd than Hillary.

And Gavin Newsom started a podcast and is cozying up to crazy right wingers.

It's gonna be newsom, and they've already chosen for us.

I hope I'm wrong.

No one lines up anyone. Stop spreading agitprop.

I imagine it'll be a pretty large primary cohort this season. If you want to run, feel free to run, too. There is no cabal.

I wouldn't be surprised if Newsom pulls a Tulsi Gabbard and switches sides. He had Charlie Kirk (of TPUSA) on his podcast where he "completely aligned" with him on trans rights (i.e. eradicating us), then had Steve Bannon on. That's a bit much even for the Liz Cheney flank of the DNC.

I suspect Newsom doesn't see any future for his party, and is bailing out instead.

And every time you point this shit out, people will stick their fingers in their ears and say:

You had a primary and we all picked Biden!

Ignore that the 2016, 2020, and 2024 primaries were effectively just for show! Ignore that they argued in court they have no reason to follow democratic policies in their primaries!

Ignore the evidence that the media hated outsiders that threatened their bank accounts and loved the ones that increased them!

Turn off your brain and cut out your tongue, vote blue no matter who we pick for you!

the truth about Bidens condition should have been known

It was known, and lots of us were shouting from the rooftops about it, But Democrats and liberals did everything they could to shut us up, accuse us of being Russian bots, accuse us of helping to get Trump elected, when it was liberals that got Trump elected by ignoring the people that saw every single sign

It’s so obvious the democratic party lied about Biden to get through the nomination phase and used the fact that the money already donated for the campaign was specifically to Biden or Harris and would not have easily been given over to any other new candidate.

the argument for this one is that the super pac was biden/harris, not any other random person, so it's questionable whether they would've been able to use super pac funding at all especially at such short notice, given the technicalities of super pac funding. The majority of DNC funding, sure, but super pacs are most of the money in elections these days.

Gavin's going to run more Diet Republican than any Democrat ever before and that's going to make even my "Blue, no matter who!" ass not vote for him. I'm already thinking about staying home in '28 because Trump can't win a third time and Gavin's a transphobe.

I agree, I'm also happy that people like Walz seem to want to give people a better option, making a protest vote even less appealing.

I blame the voters.

It means you never have to listen or change in any way, so of course you do.

Defeated Democratic candidate: accepts responsibility in the lightest possible way

Liberal fanboy: Noooo, it's not your fault, it's the children who were wrong!

Any ADULT can easily see that politicians are going to be imperfect

The best I can do is fall for blatant Russian propaganda and then get mad when someone calls me out on it.

Nobody demanded that Harris align 100% with their stance; they demanded that she not be an absolute pile of shit of a candidate. That distinction matters.

Tim Walz explained it the other day at SXSW.

Politicians are like teachers. If it's Tim Walz's job to teach kids about geography, and then test them to check if he taught well, if the outcomes of that test show that half the class passes and half fails, then the blame for that is on the teacher. The teacher could have taught differently, teaching in different styles to adequately reach out to students where they're at in life and according to their specific learning styles. He might teach the same topic 5-6 different ways to capture as many people as possible.

The Harris-Walz campaign didn't do that. They had terrible messaging as soon as the DNC hit. When Harris brought Walz on, there was actual progressive momentum. But then Harris bent the knee to establishment Democrats, and they lost the election.

I will not believe that it's the voters' fault for the election outcome. If Democrats were sober enough to realize Trump's threat and wanted to really fire people up, they would have may the necessary changes to do so.

Harris could have aligned with 99% of what I wanted, but that 1% was OK with genocide, and that should have been a red line for anyone.

based and true, thank you.

You're being mean to me! I hate you mean liberals! You're always picking on leftists who just want to let fascists become president

I just want a candidate who calls out the fleecing of the American people to the benefit of the 1%.

To stop breaking everyone down to this or that identity. The Repugnacans are doing a great job of making this look like it's about identity politics and the Dems keep taking the bait. It's not. It's about money and power. They are happy to throw red meat in the pit and walk off all the richer while we squabble.

She's a genocidal cop (aka prosecutor). She has literally spent her whole life opposing leftism. Ofc she campaigns to/with republicans.

The "Weeeeird" stuff would have knocked Trump right out of the park.

I blame Reagan

I'll go ahead and blame Biden for you

Nah it's actually their fault. The fact that they lost when it was "the most outrageously obvious binary choice in history" shows how hard they fucked a lay-up.

The good think about the 2024 US election was that the choice was obvious to everyone who paid the littlest attention; the bad thing was that Americans chose the wrong candidate anyway.

My favourite part is how he made gains in (virtually?) all segments. It seems the economy was their number one concern too. Imagine thinking the current president was going to make the economy/their financial situation better...

Like at some point you just need to call out the stupid.

Biden, the senile old fool that he so clearly is

That shit made me chuckle because of how true it is. Also, the way that you worded that is so perfect. Beautifully put.

Nah, it's the Democratic parties fault. They could have prevented this. It's their job to do so!

How dare you!? America is a DEMOCRACY, and that means we can't be blamed for how we vote. If I vote for Trump, I'm not at fault for what happens. In fact, it's Harris's fault. She should have pandered to me more. I can blame her, and only one person can be at fault for something, so I'm guilt free.

You liberals are always trying to guilt trip us leftists for letting fascists take over the government!

She could have pivoted way to the left

But she wouldn't have.

honestly that may have helped strategically, i don't think biden was "out the door" by that point, but it very well may have been a good look and given some needed press time to harris.

If voting patterns of America ever showed something consistently, it is the fact that shifting to the left in any sense never works. You can sometimes entice the public with enough vigor so they don't focus on your politics, but outside of very rare cases, shifting to the right consistently brings some votes, and shifting to the left consistently brings loses.
And no amount of social media posts was able to change it weirdly enough.
It might have something to do with consistent anti-voting narrative of a lot of the vocal leftists, coupled with their bafflement that they consistently don't get a desired outcome.

Walz was the VP pick, he had no choice but to toe the line with the top-ot-the-ticket (Harris and the DNC), who sidelined Walz and prevented him from promoting many of the progressive policies that Walz passionately supports. As VP you can't just come out in opposition to the runming Presidents platform, that was one of the major problems of the campaign.

I'm not American. but it always seems to me like the Democrats immediately tie themselves in knots trying to meet the Republicans halfway, when everyone knows they have no intention of budging an inch.

It's like if two people share a meal, one person goes "Should we split this bill 50/50" and the other one just says "No fuck you, you pay 100%." Then the first person, instead of telling them to fuck off, says "Okay I'll pay 75%, how's that?" and the other one just refuses until they eventually pay about 5%, then complain about it for the next year and tell they first person that they still owe them for the 5% they paid.

Then the first person invites them for dinner again.

I wouldn't place any of it on Walz, this is all about Harris/Biden. He did well in his debate, he was obviously more progressive than Harris and was pretty much just reined in.

I think if the ticket had been reversed, they'd have won. The center wasn't ready for a black woman to start with, and when she was just parroting the same party line re: Gaza, and cozying up to fucking Cheney's, for crying out loud, it turned off the progressives that might have voted.

I don't love him, I don't even know the guy and politicians are generally horrible enough people to give me pause.

He DID seem to have the only decent angle of attack with the "weird" stuff so that looks good at least.

DNC will never let it happen.