Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris
Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris
The former vice presidential nominee offered a blunt mea culpa on MSNBC.
Summary
Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.
"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.
Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.
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“I think Americans have had it,” Walz explained. ”... Look, I own this. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d have won the election ― and we didn’t.”
Good to see someone from the campaign acknowledge "getting votes" was the campaign's entire job, and losing the election is the fault of the campaign.
I hope Walz runs in a competitive primary and gets the nomination.
But if they try to just hand a baton off, we're gonna see the same result.
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Primaries are only competitive if the people show up to them.
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Primaries are only competitive if we actually have them
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I feel like if Biden had stuck with something like, "I'm going to be one term and let some younger folks lead, we need some folks who are going to see the consequences of their actions running the show, not 70 and 80 year olds." and had an actual primary, Harris wouldn't have been the nominee and said nominee would have won. There's a few other things that could have helped, but the short campaign was definitely a huge stumbling block.
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I’ve seen people argue Biden and Jamie Harrison had a following out, and that Biden never really planned to run again, he just wanted to spoil the primary and push a very unpopular Harris onto the ticket.
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Yes indeed, but also primaries can help to attract voters. I think the Sanders campaigns, though he didn’t win, made young people more likely to vote Democrat.
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We did, in fact, have primaries. There were like 9 choices for the Democratic nominee in my state. Better challengers could have run but didn't. Yes I know the DNC using funding to "encourage" or "discourage" but that doesn't change the fact that challengers could have, and did, run in the primaries.
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Nobody voted for Harris in the 2024 Democratic primary and she was still the nominee, picked by the head nerds at the DNC
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That is partially true. We the voters did not vote for Harris, but the Biden delegates who the primary voters sent to the convention did.
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Yeah, and Biden was old. Even before his obvious deterioration, there was always a chance he wouldn't make it through the term and Kamala would have to step up. If you voted for Biden in the primaries and were NOT ready for a potential future of a Harris presidency, I don't know what you were thinking.
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Like I said: The head nerds at the DNC picked her.
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yes, but those head nerds were elected by the primary voters.
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The primary voters voted for Biden tho
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Yeah and then he dropped out when the voters lost faith in him. And the people that hate been voted to represent the voters at the convention went on to vote for their pledged candidates existing understudy. I'm not saying Biden voters voted for Harris, I'm just refuting your claim that "nobody voted for Harris." The DNC still had a convention where the delegates who voted were the ones sent to the convention by the primary voters, and the delegates voted for the endorsee of the candidate they were pledged to. I'm not saying you should be happy with it. I'm just saying you should be armed with facts instead of hyperbole.
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They could have had an actual election at the convention instead of just anointing someone who wasn’t even running in the primary.
And the electors are basically low tier nerds who did the bidding of the head nerds and didn’t have an actual vote, or give it to the second place finisher.
They just assumed that everyone would be okay with it because the DNC is a private organization that can do whatever they want. They don’t have to care what voters think.
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Count the number of states where "others" were not on the ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Ballot_access
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Your proof that we didn't have primaries is to link a source that shows that not only did 48 states have a primary (I wasn't aware that Florida and Delaware did not, so TIL, and thank you for that), but also that all of them had at least one challenger on the ballot? Show me who qualified to be on the primary ballot in their state, showed up to register for it, and was denied.
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I'm not who posted it, but that list is either wrong or varies by county. My state is listed with a couple other candidates in various colors including green, but my actual primary ballot was Biden or nobody. (Or Trump or nobody). I just recycled it.
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That sucks. Was there anybody who met the requirements and tried to register but was rejected?
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How should I know?
Anyway, I also forgot to mention if this did vary by county, that mine is the most populated county in the state and would have directed the election outcome.
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Primaries are kind of a moot point for the incumbent if they want to run again.
Trump in 2020 had 2,549 delegates. The next closest was Bill Weld with 1.
Biden in 2024 had 3,905 delegates. The next closest was uncommitted with 37.
Obama in 2012 had 3,514 delegates. The next closest there was also uncommitted, with 72.
Bush in 2004 had a clean delegate sweep of 2,509.-
Yep. But it's generally (just learned that Florida and Delaware Democratic parties cancelled theirs in 2024) not because the state parties just reject any other names to be put on the primary ballot. But there's still a lot of people saying there was no primary or that the DNC wouldn't let any challengers run. Just generally misplaced anger that they didn't have better Presidential candidates to vote for when the reality is that better people just chose not to run. Has there ever been a primary challenger beat the incumbent president for the nomination and then win the election?
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Has there ever been a primary challenger beat the incumbent president for the nomination and then win the election?
There'd have to be a primary challenger who beat the incumbent first, and I don't think that one has happened. I know Ted Kennedy got relatively close (Well, closer then the others I've mentioned, still blown out 1900 to 1200 delegates) to knocking out Carter on the Dem side, other then that, Reagan and Ford in 1976 was decided 1,121 to 1078 for Ford.
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NO! NO! NO!
NOOOOOOO!
Do not nominate Tim Walz you stupid assholes. He was the blue republican addon to make the progressive Harris campaign appeal to centrists and republicans. He wanted to "expand israel's borders". He was elected in a district that ran straight red like the blood of the innocence for a long time before he won it, and then he lost that district during the election.
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He was the blue republican addon to make the progressive Harris campaign appeal to centrists and republicans.
The what Harris campaign?
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We have free public school lunches for all our kids here in Minnesota because of Governor Walz. How the fuck is that "blue republican"?
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Good. Maybe we can finally convince some people around here.
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Nope, because the majority of the people that are in these comments in this post and in several others that are acknowledging that the Democrats fucked up will start punching left again in about three years. And they will repeat their failures from 2016 2020 2024.
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Unlikely.
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Its like pod save cracked open all their heads, took a crap, and sealed them all back up.
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