22h ago

The god of guns demands sacrifices.

61 comments

I mean...
To fix it we need free and available mental healthcare, a population with something they don't want to lose, or reasonable gun laws.
None of those things have a chance of happening right now with the current government.
Even if trump passes gun control of some sort it's not going to be reasonable. And that's the only one of the three that are plausible.
But right now no one wants trump to pass any gun laws. Even if Dems get House/Senate in midterms, trump will veto anything reasonable.
- I’m skeptical of the idea that this can mostly be boiled down to mental health (or at least that mental health reform alone is a valid fix) and not social issues. Mental health is certainly a component, but if we actually listen to psychologists they’ve been saying that the massive amount of news around shootings makes further shootings more likely. There’s also no diagnosis or mental illness attributable to the majority of mass shooters to treat to begin with.
  Using the Kirk shooter as an example, according to his friends he was incredibly deep into channer-style irony poisoning. What is therapy supposed to do to fix that? You can’t therapy someone into better mental health if they don’t want it.
  Not trying to jump down your throat or anything, this is just one of my regular soap boxes.
  
  You can give the people in Gitmo 24/7 access to a psychiatrist, but they're still gonna be depressed because that is the logical result of their condition...
  I wasn't saying:
  Do any of these things and it will 100% solve it, ignore everything else
  I could have specifically said that, but I figured people would be able to understand that on their own. I didn't say today was Monday either, some things you just have to have faith in the reader
  
  Imo it's part of a larger project along with criminalizing homelessness to attack people with mental illness.
  If you go on reddit or other social media it's not in common to see people calling for a return to whatever to their mind imagines as old school mental institutions with forced institutionalization for anything they don't like
- The APA has repeatedly claimed that mental health is not a major factor in mass shootings.
  
  I actually almost completely forgot that APA is an actual psychology association, not just people who decide how papers should be formatted.
- I don't think "mental healthcare" is a silver bullet (pun intended) to fix the problems. That's not going to fix the consolidation of power and wealth. That's not going to get people shorter work weeks, and more quality time with friends and family. That's not going to break up the media megaliths that profit from anger inducing feeds.
  Health care will help, but the problem is conservatism and it's shitty brother capitalism.
- The only gun control which could pass is making it impossible for LGBTQ people and Democrat voters from accessing them.

Letting the Trump administration be in charge of disarming Americans seems like a poor move for everything and everyone except the regime.
- Like anyone will rise up against the fascists. Most of the gun enthusiasts are siding with them.
  
  most of the liberal or leftist gun enthusiasts i know take great pains to not advertise anywhere that they own and use firearms.
  
  I would bet there's more ready to do that than you are assuming there are. Either way, if you're an American you should be figuring out how to join that team now.

Sometimes they just announce the identity before they even know
- That's going to be the norm for this administration. The only thing that "matters" is the very first thing to be said. All the media blindly run with it and the Reich wing media won't do a correction later on if it's proven to be otherwise.

90% of the time it’s maga
- More specifically Christian Nationalists.
  
  It’s the same picture.
- Closer to 97 iirc

The fuck you want me to do about it, go door to door rounding up all the guns by gunpoint? We're living under a dictatorship and 150 million of us are completely insane
- I mean, tbh, we have over 600,000,000 guns and trillions of rounds of ammo in ~45% of the pop's hands, no registry to know who/where those are, and at those numbers we're a larger "force" (no organization) with more guns and ammo than most of the world's militaries combined (and larger/more than ours "alone," well, combined with our police actually). Sure they have the fancy toys, but..
  You'd have to go door by door and search literally every house AND somehow make sure the people to be searched don't stash shit before you get there with someone who has been searched, and you'd have to get them all (not miss one hidden in floorboards), AND you'd have to restrict home depot purchases going forward, AND somehow not get smoked by a "cold dead fingers" ass motherfucker, all so we can make sure our totally not fascist government is the only one possessing arms.
  Good fucking luck. Even if someone could which is a big if, idk if they should considering that last bit.
- Let’s not pretend it was anything different Under any other president. Y’all are just blood thirsty maniacs. Not all of you but too damn many.
  The fuck you want me to do about it
  Not get all mad in a meme community for one. I do agree though that it ain’t your problem, so maybe you didn’t need to reply to this meme.
  Heck you think I’m out here calling people out for calling British food bland. Nope just move along.

Actually, this wasn't such a thing until the Kirk shooting and the entire right wing decided in 20 seconds flat that every Democrat murdered Charlie Kirk. So they'll be getting a more fact based version of that for the foreseeable future. We're sick of taking the high road.
- Nah, every school shooter have been defaulting as Muslim since forever and more recently trans, until it was found that, once again, it's a cis white boy.
  
  Right, I definitely get that the right has always been doing this. It wasn't so much a thing coming from the left though. We already knew the likely politics of the perpetrator. It wasn't a big thing for us. Now though, they're going to get it shoved in their face every time.

The culprit is American culture, and most people feed the beast that creates it. Maybe it's time to detach from Americas traditional values and lifestyle.
- As an American...
  I would love to. Please get me the fuck out of here!

Most people in the US already know the government isn't going to do shit about the shootings. In fact, any attempt to do so is met with hostility and constant pushback.

Honestly, with the church shooting, most of what I saw outside of here was people most doing the old arguing about less guns vs more guns and the usual pro-gun people complaining that making it "political" by talking about preventing such things is rude along. But also there is a political movement that is responsible for like 80% of such non-state violence (and also at least the one that publicly celebrates things like police and ICE violence). And I was immediately primarily interested in how the narrative about identity/motives would go...

What about the Epstein Files though
- Listen. Nobody is releasing those files ever. Either because the Republicans over played their hands and realised actually there is nothing really here.
  Or it’s bi-partisan and the party not in power will shout about it until they get in power and then go quiet.
  I lean towards number 1, based on Occam’s Razor.
  
  Oh, we all know we'll never see any files.
  Asking for the files is how people say "Donald Trump Rapes Children" without inviting a defamation suit, or actively promoting vigilante justice.

We're so far past that. We're at the brink of the military being forced to choose between following their oaths or obeying the administration
But sooner or later, hopefully, people will see the pattern. All the political violence is coming from the right... Every time. They just lie, every time
- Trump just had a meeting with all the generals in the military which has never happened in modern times. We are in full blown dictatorship now and he’s doing military loyalty tests.
  
  Well it depends, does the military fall in line or not
  After Jan 6th, the generals got together and stonewalled Trump. Since this January, the admin has been trying to punish them and thin their ranks
  But the keyword is trying. The military has been uncooperative at every turn - they've followed orders but refuse to menace the people.
  So far, the courts have authority, Congress (theoretically) could reign in the other branches, and we're still having elections
  No one has actually taken the throne. They talk like they have, but no one has tried to cross the final line... They're hoping they can get everyone to comply in advance.
  That's the final line of defense. Will our military follow their oaths when the last line is crossed

don't stop your enemy when they're making mistakes.
if the far right wants to cannibalize itself, they can go for it.

In my country the news mentioned that is was the third shooting in 24 hours. That is America alright.

- vomits guns

A lot of these contests just a points game, but in this case if one particular side is able to dominate the narrative then they'll use it to actually hurt people.
So I get the game is stupid, but is a game where real people can get hurt.

There was a cartoon/comic/image I saw back in the trump shooting. About how they realised the shooter was a white guy, and the audience breathes a sigh of relief saying 'race war postponed'.
I wonder what will happen if "the wrong type of person" is linked to a mass shooting, and what will happen next.

Right cause it is important. If they're on the right we all get to smugly say " see you are assholes" if they're left, or right or human then they will enrich police and authority to come pull us out of bed at night for being nihilistic terrorist's

...really need to do something about all this right-on-right violence.

I mean one side is ready to do something about it. The other is not.
So there's nothing to do other than point out that the side that isn't ready to do something about it is responsible for the vast majority of it.

Republicans*

It’s not gun’s fault so we have to create a world where people don’t feel the need to shoot each other by continuing to do nothing about it (except when Charlie Kirk catches a slug because that’s bad.)

Have I been missing something?
- The recent shooter of Charlie Kirk didn't write any manifesto or anything like Luigi Magione. Both had massive impacts and people are just waiting for this shooter to tell them what to be angry and do something about it, but in reality it'll just confirm what they think but most won't do a single thing to act on these manifesto. I believe people should actually act in their own little way to make things better. Be that what you dedicate towards, form community with others. Create social networks of caring about the people near to you. Volunteer in events, participate in organizing.
  There has to be more than just anger that boils till the water evaporates.
  
  Since the Kirk shooting, there has also been the ice shooter any now a church shooter.