A bit of salt makes it taste more savory
A bit of salt makes it taste more savory
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"your boos mean nothing, i've seen what makes you cheer"
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It's a funny show quote ... but very sad in this case. I hate the idea that there are MAGAts happily clapping because people are being deported into what are basically slave camps.
The Nuremberg style trials cannot get here quickly enough. Simply voting this political party out of office is not enough at this point.
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Not just fascists, also those who empower fascists by sitting on their lazy ignorant smug asses on Election Day, bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe, who want some sort of collapse to happen... because they fancy themselves at the top of their imagined new "purity" food chain, I mean... look at their purity! Aren't they so special and so above it all?
They read things! On the internet! Wow!
They reject anything that doesn't fit their narrative. They LOVE having their hollow ego massaged in circlejerks and by bad-faith actors.God forbid anything less than perfect and pure crosses their medieval path, lest they feel offended and... oh yeah, they do nothing. Which is why we're in this goddamned mess in the first place. They allowed racist, misogynistic fascism to take firm root, good luck weeding it out now.
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Fascists are not empowered by political apathy. If that were the case, you'd be able to provide evidence that states or nations with low voter turnout always turn fascist. 80% of voters turned out in 1932 when the Nazis became the most powerful party. Political apathy can be a result of burgeoning fascism - among other things. How do you think fascism arose in Germany? People being lazy?
Chalking up fascism to poltical apathy is what happens when you fail to look at fascism as a function of class dynamics and class conflict - and furthermore, fail to see the generations-old pattern of regulatory agencies being captured, special interests dominating political commentary, rampant lobbying, decaying education, wages being suppressed, healthcare being denied, transportation services rendered useless, etc...
If, at the end of this devolution into fascism, your only takeaway is "Damn lazy tankies and russian spies destroyed America!", then you haven't learned your lesson, and you've fallen in perfect lockstep with your liberal forerunners who made the exact same mistakes.
It's telling that you folks never engage when leftists point out that when the democrats had a choice between slowing fascism and committing genocide on Palestinians, they chose to do genocide all for sweet AIPAC dollars.
The simple fact is that Biden's and Kamala's constituents wanted an end to genocide. Biden and Kamala ignored these constituents. Biden and Kamala lost. That couldn't be a more democratic outcome; it's more American than Apple pie. If you say "fuck you" to your constituents, it's a safe bet you'll lose them, and if this is a calculus that some dumb ass like me can make, you know that higher levels of democratic leadership were aware of the risks and chose to take them anyway. The democrats are controlled opposition.
If you are a liberal reading this thread and are starting to see holes pop up in the logic and reasoning of your colleagues, or have correctly identified that the liberals are ill-equipped to deal with this devolution, I'd encourage you to learn what Marxism really is - beyond the spark notes you got from your conservative history teacher in high school.
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This was really shown when Cory Booker was shouting for 25 hrs about "This is not moral.. We fight corruption.. We dont have money for healthcare and education... We dont have money for our veterans " the next morning he passes $9Billion aid to Israel because AIPAC gave him $900,000
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/04/05/donh-a05.html
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
Morality and corruption my ass. Cory Booker is a hypocrite spinless clown who does not stand for shit. You give him money and he will dance a circus just like he is paid to.
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"I didn't vote for the lady who wouldn't commit to stopping Israel (but I knew wouldn't shred the economy)
even though the alternative was a man very openly supportive of Israel and is now actively deporting pro-Palestine protesters and providing Israel all the weapons it needs
'Cuz obviously both parties are the same"
Quite frankly, I have no respect for anyone who took this position. Whether influenced by propaganda or.. whatever.. I honestly don't know how you can say you didn't see what a threat Trump would be (not you personally), especially in retrospect.
I'm again going to push back and say that a massive propaganda campaign, similar to 2016, is what won them the election. Crypto dumped $146 million into he election. Elon personally put something like $250 million in, AND did the "raffles" to get people to vote (not raffles, it was a lie, admitted in court)... AND he openly used Twitter to influence the election. Zuck is in with the same guys that Musk is -- Thiel, etc (I say "in" loosely for Musk) and if you don't think they also used FB you're a fool.
But propaganda isn't an excuse, because it requires some lack of not intentionally trying to expose yourself to new & different sources of news, but more importantly, different perspectives. And a complete detachment or ignorance from Trump's first presidency.
MAGA was always a traitor party.
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Liberals are controlled opposition, it's simple political science 101.
But what makes you think the Left will be any more successful ?
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You're correct, but in the end those same tankies are also the ones that want a fascist state because they're basically a capitalist state on the brink of collapse – a good ground for revolution that tankies wish for.
This would not have happened if democrats had true back bone and a moral structure beyond being the slightly less insane alternative to republicans, until now, where republicans have shifted to radicalism, either knowing that democrats don't have much fight or allying internally with democrats, allowing for this take over to start from the roots and corrupt it way down the chain
This was inevitable with the system USA is built on top of, you only deny the inevitable by 4-8 years if democrats had won, preserving the status quo and begrudgingly agreeing to public protests to not suffer what essentially happened now. Which they failed, because they were begrudgingly doing so.
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Fascists are not empowered by political apathy
Fascists are empowered by political apathy in a first past the post election system. Which we have.
And its not just tankies. You guys are an influence but you aren't the sole driver of this result of low turnout obviously.
This is something many clownishly-apolitical individuals that aren't tankies understand and still choose not to vote because they also, like tankies, think both parties are the same but for more low brow selfish small minded reasons. I live in a deeply rural area and commute to a small city and I've encountered these morons first hand in both places. Typically these are poorly educated impoverished people who feel left behind by perceived elites (not just rich people but basically any people smart enough to work low paying white collar like myself). Who don't realize they're letting things get worse for them and now will end up materially worse off and even some of them will end up dead as a result.
And in so far that a person can deserve their own misfortune, they will. Because they either know or very much ought to know what was at stake and did not give a fuck.
I actually think most tankies will be fine though. You guys are educated enough that you're probably not on average nearly as impoverished as these types. It'll just be the dipshit apolitical underclass of people who will start feeling things get noticeably worse.
Maybe it wont be too late for them to be moved by their impending suffering and react to it in a productive way but at this point I'm kind of over it. I'm ambivalent at this point.
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This smug denialism is what got us Trump the first time around and it's what got us Trump the second time as well. At least the guy acknowledges there's a problem (even though his solutions are designed to make it worse). The Dems piss on your leg and tell you it's raining. They dropped the ball by trying to play diet republican, and losing the election is on them.
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The Dems are not one party, but factions. There are legit opposition members, but the party is controlled by the captured opposition faction. Their job was to give the illusion of choice and legitimate democracy while playing stupid as the fascists eroded all your rights. They never undid the harm republicans brought in even when they could.
Legitimate dems were only permitted to give an aire of legitimacy to the whole dog and pony show. Yes voting matters, but the real battle was lost in the candidate selection within the DNC, where only the captured opposition are allowed to dominate.
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Both -parties- ARE equally terrible. They are all in on and define the bullshit system and both are 100% two halves of the same problem.
TRUMP is a different story though. For one thing he is no more a Republican than he is a Democrat he is there to do whatever he thinks is best for him and that is it. He makes any Democrat I have ever seen look amazing in comparison. I generally vote Independent and even swore years ago that I would never vote for a D or R again without some insane change to something and I do still refuse to support either shit ass party in general. Trump is a different story though, he made me vote for a Democrat for the first time in my life. Even the normal terrible D and R bullshit looks amazing when you are watching Trump destroy the country.
Note that there are good politicians who stand out from the actual party on both sides. I would vote for some if they made it to the election just for the fact that they have a cause and a vision to help people and even if I don't like the means it is sure a hell of a lot better than the current state of affairs.
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They allowed racist, misogynistic fascism to take firm root, good luck weeding it out now.
was that in the progressive era, when eugenics and fascism were the rage? the usa is fascist, and has been for all of living memory. blue-colored or red-colored isn't less fascism.
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I think those are 50/50 ego-stroking faux-intellectuals & conservative trolls.
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Oh yeah, they're all over Lemmy.
They will cheer on revolution, but not a single one of them would ever dream of making the first move.
Their whole deal is picking up pet causes and then making snarky remarks from the sidelines.
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Nailed it.
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Preach 🙌🏽
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"Not just fascists, but also those who oppose fascism and are trying to build an alternative to fascism" got it.
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Lol its so cute that that's what you think you're doing 😂
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lol y'all are over the circle jerking authoritarian states but yeah sure tell me more about what you're doing to oppose facism in your daily life
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I literally have no idea how many down votes I've gotten. I do kinda miss seeing bad people get down voted, but I find this experience much more pleasant.
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If you wanna get the down vote experience, just change to a instance that shows them.
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I dont! But thanks for the advice :3
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I know thunder for lemmy has an option for it somewhere in settings
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I can go to my individual comments and check the scores, but I like that I can't see any cumulative score. I'm a sucker for "number go up" games.
Lemmy isn't a competition.
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Lemmy isn’t a competition.
All social media is competition. We just don't like admitting it.
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Just wait until you feel the incredible feel of having one of them DM you calling you the N-word, threatening to "punch you in your N***** face" and then you use an IP tracker to find they're using an Belorussian IP.
I've been running off that accomplishment for some time.
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Nagging people will usually cause them to call you a nagger but you don't need to censor that LMAO 🤣
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Down votes are so meaningless. New browsers think they control the world.
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On the contrary; they let me know when I hit a nerve. When fascists tell you what pisses them off, that's where you press.
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It's a great feeling
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If you haven’t been called a “Russian bot,” you’re not really challenging western imperialism yet.
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What if get called delusional and crazy for trying to create the second coming in order to contradict Trump's current ascension into godhood. While any logical people stay dismissive rather than reconstruct religion and spiritualism in a contemporary sense.
However I understand the consequences, so I implant seeds of thought in the homeless on my way to work. Puzzles to solve, so that my name is slowly released and written of.
I am writing a book and tagging the streets soon. All inspired by this one dude who writes in chalk everywhere in my neighborhood. Repent, god is justice, etc.
I can use my voice to inspire thoughts and I will dominate the minds everywhere I go through my voice and words alone. Why? Christians base their whole lives over one archaic book of knowledge - nothing's stopping you from writing your own to explain your kids the world. That's all it is, but people forget that the whole point of Jesus is that religion and structures cannot alone do the work of good parents. It's why Joseph is gone after age 12 and Mary is renowned in eastern Christianity along with other spliters, like mexican catholics.
So I am writing for my kids, and I do this for the hope that mankind can accept their place. I constantly see people fighting the concept of capitalism rather than the actors behind it. Capitalism is a plight because it allows man to ascend beyond that of his bounds. To be without pain or want, to be without need or limit. However remember it is the man behind it, not the concept thereof. It is only when the heart abandons communism for the sake of the self and the self alone, that we cannot feel anything but ourselves. Suffering is persistent, there will never be without. However in it, you can find retroactive gratitude, and in turn form proactive gratification.
Tower of Babel is about the rich exploiting mankind to reach their godlike status in a literal sense among the heavens. While not understanding the foundations they exist upon, the tower crumbles, just like man would when they forget the simplicities of every day.
So far I have only surveyed Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, Sikh, and Shinto. I am intimidated by Hinduism and Islam. Funny that Sikh was birthed from these barriers blurring.
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Remember that the admins of the Tankie Triad regularly post and brigade threads pushing their invalid ideology on other instances.
And they have a dozen or so alts ready to downvote dissent.
Tankies literally have to manipulate social media so people pay attention to them and control narratives or else they get laughed out of every room they enter.
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Open admission to editing headlines for posting and admin knows and does nothing (shocker)
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works everyone and see for yourself the crap they pull
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The first time I had ever heard of the word "tankie" was on Lemmy. It's just not a thing that about anybody I know offline is, or has heard of. So I don't understand the obsession with them. Even if they're doing every evil thing claimed, it's a) the metaphorical tempest in a teapot, and b) not even working, based on the number of people here who seem to make hating on tankies part of their identity.
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Tankie Triad
Are tankies the pro- or anti-fascist crowd? I thought they were far left whereas fascists far right. It's hard to keep track of all these vying affiliations.
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Fascism is a far right system
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Have you considered that there's just plenty of people who disagree with you?
Also, you lot suck at coming up with names, tankie troika is way more ominous
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Uh huh yea and the admins of .ml definitely recognize that and welcome all opinions! Oh wait, no they don't:
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
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https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
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https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
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https://lemmy.world/post/28057831
https://lemmy.world/post/27795213
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tankie troika
Gotta admit that is way better.
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A ton of times it's the hivemind. Posted a picture of a truck with a Nazi emblem(half panzer division skull and an SS logo) on my local sub. And at first it went up then someone said it was 75th ranger emblem. Hivemind bought it up without even so much as a quick Google search. And heavily ratio'd me. People are just stupid.
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Man, I wish I had that much social confidence instead of feeling bad while I kept replying.
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Don't reply to fascists. They don't deserve it
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No, avoiding contention is why we're in this mess and why the world is segregated again.
But I'm not going to say "Go argue on the internet" I am going to tell everyone to get the fuck over their social issues and just TALK to the people in your life who hold shitty positions and are either dimwitted about politics, uninvolved or being brainwashed by social media. They can be turned, I do it ALL THE TIME and I feel like I'm the only fucking human left who doesn't feel overwhelming fear engaging with another human ffs.
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I got banned from news for pointing out that if you don't exist in the system you're under no obligations to follow the laws.
ie: if the government purposely kills you on paper you're "legally dead", and dead people can't commit crimes.
the exchange became so heated one of the snowflake mods removed my comments under "obvious troll is obvious" and banned me for being a troll.
jokes on them, I was serious.
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When people call me a tankie ☺️
I love how people just spew nonsense they know nothing about. It’s validating knowing I pissed them off lmfao 😇
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oh shit yes. its usually very validating when they prove you right immediatly
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as in, a saline solution?
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I can't believe there are at least 8 fascists on this site.
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Lemmy dialogue is already more productive than peak reddit.
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Nuh uh!
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Fuck 'em, it's good to let them know we are here.
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Wouldn't want to upset any sensibilities.
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me commenting on Linux usage in China got me downvoted. apparently censorship isn't relevant to the conversation at all!! who woulda thought
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This place is a giant circle jerk. I mean, who's going to actually mass downvote a mainstream approved opinion in a heavily moderated and biased forum LMAO 🤣
Only thing that comes to mind is actually dissenting non approved opinions getting mass downvoted if not thoroughly silenced and banned
Or ideological adjacent splitters casually/competitively infighting.
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It feels so good! Like fresh air on a warm spring day. The sun shines a little brighter every time it happens.
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Self-satisfaction at stretching the definition of fascism.
If you're getting downvoted here where anti-fascism thrives, and you think it's for criticizing fascism, then there's probably something else going on (and you're probably being an idiot).
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Really? I'm glad you shared this introduction to statistics with me, thanks for your expertise!
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No problem: sometimes we all need a reality check when we go tilting at windmills as is custom around here.
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Are you this combative all the time?
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Lol how's that being combative, dude is just describing things LMAO
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Edit: they claim they didn't mean to criticize OP they are just bad at disambiguation of pronouns.
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randomly criticize someone else over a meme
Someone else or the meme? Are we getting worked up over generic you?
The observation that perceived disapproval for "fighting fascists" around here may more often be someone deluding themselves, so the image rings false with self-delusion is a critique of the meme.
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