Democrats finally sue Trump for trying to control elections
Democrats finally sue Trump for trying to control elections
The Democratic Party has filed a lawsuit against one of Trump’s most dangerous executive orders.
Summary
The Democratic National Committee and two other party committees have sued Trump over Executive Order 14215, which claims authority to seize control of the Federal Elections Commission.
The lawsuit argues this violates federal law and threatens free elections.
The order also claims power over other agencies including the SEC, FTC, and NLRB.
Democrats contend this executive overreach contradicts constitutional principles and a century of Supreme Court precedent upholding Congress's authority to insulate certain agencies from presidential control.
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How many years did I have to put up with hearing about checks and balances, because that was a damn lie.
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Right? All you needed was one bully and his friends who don't care about rules to simply do what they want and fuck everything up.
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All systems of government are like that. I'm not saying ours is perfect. It is far from it. However, all forms of government rely on specific people following a set of rules that a (usually) different group of people came up with. Once enough people ignore the rules there's no way to fix the problem by attempting to enforce the rules that aren't being followed. That's what we're seeing now.
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Well and like 200 cucks in the Senate and house to not bother checking you.
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"And his friends" is the crucial part here. The reason this didn't happen in his first term was a massive amount of institutional pushback. GOP spent the intervening time clearing out those pesky roadblocks, and figured out where they wanted Trump aimed.
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Turns out when about 70% of everything is just tradition without any laws to prevent people from breaking the assumed laws in place, it's all been a sham and anyone could have broken them for bettering the country instead of tearing it apart.
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Common law like in the USA has inherent weaknesses.
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A) He’s following China’s playbook. B) there is shit in the Project 2025 document that outlines this sorta play, here is a link to the summary.
https://blog.ucsusa.org/liza-gordon-rogers/how-project-2025-would-endanger-our-elections/
If we get to the point where, “For the safety of America, we won’t have an other election until the Democrats are stopped!”, I won’t be surprised. The GOP Does not plan on turning over control now that they have it.
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2026 will be a repeat of 2024. All the dirty tricks will be pulled to ensure they face no consequences.
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Worse in my opinion. They can openly manipulate the media and funding easier. The shots at the presses freedoms are going unchecked. If you make money off media/journalism and the offices are allowed to simply tell media outlets they can't attend anymore they are going to fall in line or lose their income and die. Shit even that dumb Epstein document thing was clearly a shot at freedom of the press. They knew most of it was already given to the public previously, yet wanted to control how the media reacted to Trump being tied to it. So they specifically launched it via channels they knew would defend Trump no matter what.
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Will, I don't think anybody needs such drama, just that election will elect whom they need with 146% certainty. That's a reference to the last Putin's re-election.
By the way, Putin's re-elections have been proven mathematically to be falsifications through and through, say, Russian Central Election Committee obfuscated their "public" (scraping-protected webpages, say, dynamically shuffled fonts, with lines and lines of text) data, it was still deobfuscated, where they managed to hide moments of actually throwing in extra ballots, doing carusels or whatever, it was still mathematically proven that those dynamics do not belong to a normal election. But all those other violations were detected on scale in all recent elections in Russia.
And nothing. Public outrage is not as powerful as mechanisms that react to it, if there's no such - then no cinema.
I think in US Trump is doing this the simple way, while in the EU both elections matter less and bureaucracies are already strong, but too regulated, so they want more surveillance and communications' regulation - to be able to prevent those trying to use accountability mechanisms and organize from being heard, maybe even silently detaining\murdering such people, special services are always prepared for that kind of activity, and if there are no safe communications, a group of nations with institutions can turn into something as miserable as Russia very quickly, silently and conclusively.
It's a world tendency, I think. Even China before the last 10 years or so was, apparently (never been in China), a non-democratic state with some rule of law. Turkey was on the rise after a couple of decades of normal democracy after its last military dictatorship. In Iran people like Ahmadinejad were in visible posts and it seemed to be almost becoming democratic.
In Russia in my childhood everyone around me just believed we're past dictatorships and Putin will leave when his term ends.
So - I think we live in an interesting time where the humanity once again learns the meanings of "common sense", "natural law" and "human dignity". And why sovcits are the wisest of political marginals.
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Why so quick? I thought they would give him a few more terms before stepping in and trying literally anything...
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They were going to send a strongly worded letter.
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How long is it going to take Bernie, AOC et all to walk out of the Democratic Party and start their own?
That's the only solution. Hopefully some moderate Republicans do the same (create their own party), and finally America will have a democracy...
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IMHO we won't have one until we adopt a European style election where we have more than 2 viable parties and the electoral college is abolished.
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I think economic reforms have to be also given the Constitution treatment. A lot of this bullshit came about because wealthy people couldn't help but engage in Gluttony, regardless of the true cost and consequences. Elon simply wasn't satisfied with his 'meagre' level of wealth, and is arranging to murder the poor for the sake of running up a high score.
We need the wealthy, as we know them, to simply cease to exist, while giving UBI to everyone so that even the poorest can skip work to engage in politics. Too much or too little money is dangerous, because it rigs society to favor the very few.
Without economic changes, this crap will simply happen again.
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How long is it going to take Bernie, AOC et all to walk out of the Democratic Party and start their own?
Hopefully less than 2 years.
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Bernie has never been a Democrat, except when he ran for president.
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Reminder to all that despite its name the FEC does not control elections. Elections are controlled by the states.
The FEC enforces campaign spending laws, but as we've all seen even lawbreakers can be elected president.
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They should have protected democracy when they had a majority. Protecting the filibuster was more important.
The filibuster that they aren't using against trump's agenda.
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I really like the filibuster as a system, but only when its real, as in the senators have to talk the whole time. It makes it so they're actually demonstrating their passion about a cause.
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At least they're trying something finally. Better than sitting on their hands and complaining in private talks about now progressives want our representatives to do something .
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Agreed. I was wondering when we were going to see some action.
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That's not going to work.
What he's REALLY BEEN doing is changing the power balance, which used to be Legislative, Executive, and Judicial with Judicial having final say in most things by ruling on their constitutionality, and elevating the Executive branch. He will ignore judicial rulings as they "don't apply" to his office.
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That's not going to work either. It's a bad idea to openly defy judges, because they can easily drain your bank account.
You'll note that even now, Trump lawyers claim they are doing their best to comply with court orders.
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Because the Supreme Court of The United States of America said as much. The courts basically signed all their real power away in Trump v. America. What I'm sure will eventually be called the Trump Doctrine if the president does it, than it is not illegal. Trump can legally take control over the election process because he's taking it as the president. So regardless of any other law whatever he does it legal.
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While trump v America had the wrong ruling, the conclusion your sharing isn't correct.
The ruling shielded the president from personal liability for actions taken as president. It didn't touch the offices ability to be sued or be legally restrained.
If trump, in his capacity as president, violates the law "the president" can be sued and forced to stop, but not trump personally. You can't send him to jail for improperly claiming authority over the FEC, but you can prevent the office of the president from doing so.
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A law suit! Excellent. Finally we will have this over with post haste.
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Just in time! /s
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Hey, someone had to close that barn door. If we ever get another horse, it might leave too.
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Trump’s order feels like Watergate déjà vu—election rules must remain bipartisan and independent. Minus one for focusing solely on one perspective.
😾😾😾😾
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I didn't even hear of this executive order. That just lays it out clearly all the steps he's taking to seize power in the US undemocratically.
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So they win, and give Krasnov a stern warning. Then what? Another lawsuit?
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If they win, the FEC won't take directions from Trump.
This does not exclude the chance that Trump will provoke a more pointed confrontation. Or that Trump won't eventually have to be removed by force. It's just a basic thing to do - a road of 1000 steps starts with step 1.
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Oh, yeah. Now they start doing something. "We might not get re-elected!" Some of that was your original inaction. Don't hurt yourselves now that you're affected...