Europeans, what is something that Americans have/do that makes no sense to you?
Europeans, what is something that Americans have/do that makes no sense to you?
Europeans, what is something that Americans have/do that makes no sense to you?
They glorify soldiers way too much and teachers way too little
Between the two there is a big difference:
One is a profession that can be a particularly dangerous way of life. Orders from above put you into place far from support, with limited resources, often in contact with hostiles on a daily basis. You're often left to fend for yourself with only what you have on you against overwhelming odds. Command structures often pit you against your peers in petty internal politics around rank. The pay isn't great, and those that stick with it for the long haul to make a lifetime of it often leave scared and mentally injured. It can be a thankless job in putting your life and health on the line to achieve the overall goal.
The other profession usually involves wearing a uniform and enforcing USA's geopolitical interests in other countries.
U got me in the first half not gonna lie
Ah, the old Reddit Lemmy switcharoo
It was good but I saw it coming right away lol.
A family friend of ours just quit his highschool teaching job and is moving his family because he was threatened with a gun in his classroom. The student was expelled, but not arrested and knows where he lives.
I fucking hate it here. Guns need to go.
As an American, it confuses me as well
You poor thing, maybe if your teachers were praised more you’d have been taught better and be less confused.
Soldiers and patriotism...
id argue that that's not true but my roommate and his friend made me watch 30+ minutes of commentated (by my friends) WW2 footage. i had to be like "hey man with all due respect i get the appeal I think but im not really interested in the glorification of something this horrific im sorry." they were understanding but that level of interest in something so bleek was crazy.
also they were using WW2 japenese slurs and saying id walk up to that if i were there. and im like NO THE FUCK YOU WOULDNT you wouldnt even make it out of the armored car that took you there bud. people are not as badass as they think they are and soldiers arent badass they just want to see their families again we dont have to cheer them on like the opposing side doesnt also just wanna go home to their families.
ugh
While travelling in the states, I was so perplexed to see that in some car parks where you'd expect to see disabled parking that there were parking spots for veterans.
Sticker price isn't the price you pay at the till. Why? Why do you do that.
Massive gaps between the walls and doors of public lavatory cubicles. This is not some mystical, advanced technology. Get it together.
We do that because our country is founded on the "right" for moneymakers to put as much onto the customer as they can get away with. Hence things like tipping culture.
No offense but how thick do you have to be to make a door that is put in place solely to shield you from other humans, have a massive gap?
It seriously boggles my mind.
I think the toilet wall thing is because we have an expectation that every public building must have public toilets available. Places don’t want you to fuck or shoot up in the bathrooms, so they make them un-private so you hurry the hell up and leave. It’s a bit of hostile architecture, like making park benches that you can’t lie down on to keep people from trying to sleep on them. Make the “undesirables” uncomfortable enough and maybe they’ll go be undesirable somewhere else. Meanwhile it’s just a little bit less nice for everyone else as well.
This is a thoughtful reply. I will just say that the UK also has public toilets all over the place, and a desire for people to not screw & get high in the cubicles. Ditto many other countries. But I've never been anywhere else with this door gap problem, where no-one gets privacy.
I did once use a UK bathroom in a supermarket where the lighting was all blue, which makes it hard to find a vein to inject. But the doors still closed properly.
I've seen this conversation many times on Reddit, and from what people say I assume there is a regional thing going on on. I'm from a part of the US where toilet stalls do not have massive gaps. There is a big gap at the bottom but too low for anyone to be seeing under unless they are crawling on the floor. Gaps along the sides are quite narrow. 1 cm at most, and nothing anyone is going to be seeing you through unless they are some kind of freak putting their eye right up to it. These stalls are prefab panels you can easily put into a room. The gaps mean ventilation for the room takes care the stalls too.
I assume stalls started this way and became normalized, and in some parts of the country they've gotten sloppier, and sloppier, and normalized these huge gaps I hear people describe but never see.
This might be my bias, but I assume these are the places where everything is a suburban stripmall wasteland, where there are no sidewalks, and where it seems to me the whole environment is increasingly dehumanized.
Thank you for your comment. I can't speak for the entire world, but in the UK a 1 cm" gap in the door of a public toilet would be massive and unacceptable. It's not enough that someone can only see into a stall through a gap in the door if they are "right up to it"; they should not be able to see in at all. Public toilets in other countries have doors with gaps you can't leer through at all.
Re. the "gaps meaning ventilation", surely the "big gap at the bottom" and the fact that the whole top is open will be contributing more to ventilation?
You say you think this might be a regional thing in the US. Okay, could be. I have personally encountered this issue in Washington, California, North Carolina, DC, Massachusetts, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Maryland.
The US doesn't have a VAT, but a sales tax on final sale of a good. Not only that, but states, counties, and cities can issue their own sales tax on sales within their borders. There are also cases where sales tax isn't charged at the register. In the end, it is easier for companies to just charge the tax at the end, so they do.
There are these mystical things called computers, that are very good at computing things. So when printing the price you can automatically compute it into the labels.
That is a nonsensical excuse. If they can calculate the price at the checkout then they can calculate it when they are putting up the price tags.
It's not that it's easier it's that it allows the companies to gouge you. If the store said the bottle of coke was 2.15 instead of 1.99 you might realize that it's not a good price for acidic sugar water and pick something else. Like the free water out of the faucet. This also means public water would be higher quality because people would actually use it and demand cleaner water.
Two party system. They can't possibly represent everyone's interests. Feels more like religion to me .
They don't represent anyone's interests except their own.
And those who lobby them and/or help them get reelected.
Two party system is great for polarizing the society.
Divide and conquer.
More precisely: The reason for the two party system: FPTP voting. The Brits do the same shit, and have the same problems.
The way it feels now (more cult-like than political and representing the populace) automatically and unavoidably stems from this FPTP issue. It automatically reduces the whole field to a reduced number of options, and while each reduction step takes longer than the last, this will ultimativley lead to a one-party state. It's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN and the REP program for 2025 to basically turn the government upside down to get unbeatable is trying to achieve this very single party state.
We do do the same and we do have the same problems, but it's not so bad. We have at least 4 parties in parliament who have a voice and a number of others who are at least represented. It's not good, but you have it worse
Two parties that are, if I'm not mistaken, the Right and the Rightest.
Didn't the USA see any leftist ideology as radical?
The Cold War did some terrible things to our ideology.
They openly call Democrats radical lefties nowadays
We technically have more than 2; but nobody ever votes for the other parties, and the other parties are almost never given the opportunity to debate or have big ad campaigns. 🤷🏻♂️
And to be fair: Some of those other parties are even more narrow minded than the two big ones.
CGP Grey made an excellent video explaining our voting system: Minority Rule: First Past the Post Voting
Skip to 1:36 to hear about how, no matter how many parties we have, it always comes down to 2 major parties competing in this voting system.
I vote for one of those other parties!
The two party system isn’t really codified in law, it’s just kind of a side-effect of the way we vote and the way government is organized. Due to those two things, it’s hard to change.
It's an inevitable conclusion of our winner take all voting system. "The man with the most votes wins." If 4 candidates run, and they get 22% 22% 16% and 40% of the vote, the man with 40% of the vote wins the race, and 60% of the population didn't get the candidate they voted for.
Now imagine you've got a red, orange, green and blue party. Orange voters get together and decide "You know, the Red party's platform is pretty similar to ours, what if we didn't run a candidate next time and instead encouraged our voters to vote for the Red candidate instead? The blue candidate won with 40% of the vote, but our two parties put together would have 44%.
In the next election with three candidates, the red candidate wins 44% to 40%, prompting a similar conversation at the Green party headquarters. Soon enough there are two parties.
We're one of if not the oldest representative democracy in the world today; our constitution is 250 years old, there's some old bugs still in the code base.
Jokes on you, in the end they both represent the same interests
It's like a restaurant with a single dish and you can only chose a side. One's xenophobia with a sprinkle of batshit crazy, the other's utter impotence.
Basically because we were early adopters to modern republic systems. We tried something new because parliament was a bit too kingy for our tastes. But due to its simplicity it became really easy for two parties to wipe the floor with everyone else. And basically the only times they’ve changed was at the start and again shortly before our civil war. Neither party has ever had good reason to change the system, which would require massive agreement to change our constitution. So nobody does.
For example, politically I’m a syndicalist, but the democrats are pro union, pro environment, pro woman, and pro lgbt, all of which with a big asterisk but still I consistently vote for them because the greens didn’t win with Nader so they’re definitely going to lose now. So I dutifully vote Democrat because the only other party that has a chance is the republicans and they hate me and everything I believe in.
If we could do it again we’d do it better but in our defense we didn’t really have anyone to model off of
American here. Hate it, hate it, hate it.
As an American, I find it amazing that countries can have more than two active parties but also have a plurality voting system.
First Past the Post voting makes it more likely: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo?si=X-8oz1K6iYxKhBeB
Tipping
Also, losing their shit over nudity
Puritans for the latter.
Bribery / slavery for the former.
While having a huge porn industry.
Huh, the US and Japan aren't so different.
We have tipping in Europe, but that's mostly only done if you have a very good experience, not because you are expected to. Just pay your employees.
The whole Guns thing
Keeping your gun accessible when driving your car. Needing or wanting to open carry when you go shopping. Needing to pose with your family all holding powerful guns for a Christmas photo. I don’t get it.
Most of America doesn't do it, just the people who are afraid of violence - which also happens to the same people who would quickly resort to violence. At this point, seeing a person wearing a gun is the same as seeing warning colors on other species like insects. If you see it, turn and go the other way. There is literally nothing worth the inconvenience of dealing with those people. (And hospitals don't allow open carry so matters of life and death can be attend to without worry.)
A modern analog I like is to high grade digital encryption.
Terrorists and criminals use it, and governments want to ban it. But that doesn't actually mean it should be banned, or that people who oppose a ban are terrorists or criminals.
Totally, except regulating encryption makes much more sense because of al those encryption-violence deaths that happen daily in the US. All those kids with easy access to encryption going to school and encrypting their classmates, the policemen not intervening because they are afraid to get encrypted by the kids armed with military grade AES-512 routines.
It is a modern analog, but with its limits - all this stuff doesn’t happen in countries where encryption is much more regulated and you can’t buy encryption routines in malls.
That's not a great analogy though... you would have to add that, even though most people use it responsibly, banning digital encryption would cause a very dramatic reduction in harm caused by the people that don't use it responsibly.
Furthermore digital encryption actually serves an inherent purpose so banning it would also cause some harm to society simultaneously. On the other hand, civilian gun ownership serves no inherent purpose so society wouldn't be harmed by banning it, and we would only lose the risk.
Yeah, but it's way harder to kill someone accidentally (or in a fit of rage) with high grade digital encryption than with a firearm.
Guns are the only reliable way to deal with tyrants. And while its not everytime, look at what happens to disarmed populations usually.
Also gun control started as and still is racist.
You had a tyrant that tried to overthrow a legitimate election through violence.
Where were all gun nuts then? Those who weren’t attempting said coup, that is. Doesn’t sound reliable to me.
As for what happens to disarmed populations, most of Europe has gun control laws that would make any American have a heart attack, and yet here we are, no dictators to be seen up to GMT+3. Do say, what is it that happens to disarmed populations? What is happening to us that I somehow didn’t notice?
And gun control being racist.. I’m sorry, what? This right here, this is the thing I’ll never understand about Americans. Everything is racist. You can’t talk about anything, somebody will play the “racist” card before you can get any deeper than slogans. Absolutely every single thing turns out to be a race issue. Sure, you guys had very big issues with racism until very recently (learning about sundown towns for me was a huge WTF moment) and it’s very hard to deal with a past so ugly - but still, maybe not everything is about race.
That rascally rabbit isn’t a tyrant just because he keeps tricking you. I know you’re traumatized but he doesn’t actually have power over you. It’s all in your head.
I don't know about the racism thing, but I doubt it. As far as the other thing, it doesn't have to be a choice between no guns or no restrictions. In the UK we have a ban on handguns and some hoops you have to jump through to own a rifle. Nothing too onerous I believe (though I've never tried to own a gun.)
I'm not afraid of our government becoming tyrannical. If it did, though, and guns are really the only reliable way to deal with them (I'm not convinced but anyway) then we still have plenty going around.
What about it? Going to go bang, explosions are fun. Shooting people bad. What else did you want to know?
-signed Bleeding heart lefty with a gun
At-will employment makes no sense to me. You go to work every day knowing you could be fired without any possibility of taking the time to find another job. It would drive me crazy.
Oh it's terrifying.
You should not compare that to employment as it is known in other countries.
Rather compare it to slavery. Doesn't it look better now? ;-)
The flip side is we can quit at anytime.
Yeah, that really doesn't make up for it.
I mean, I'll take the months notice period and knowing I get redundancy if my job goes over being able to quit a bit faster.
So like mid-shift or are there any limits to this?
I mean, I don’t live in an at-will state and I can quit at any time too.
I guess that also makes it somewhat easier to get hired though? You can give your employees a chance without thinking too much about it, and if they suck just fire them.
We have this in Germany - for the first six months of employment. Ok, it's still two weeks notice because that's the right thing to do, but still, it's less than the 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 months of notice required after working at a place for 0.5/5/8/10/12/15/20 years. (BGB §622 for the curious)
There is no reason to keep the possibility for such a short notice indefinitely.
For the most part, in my experience, don't be a fuck up and you won't get fired. Every company I've ever worked for has had very strict rules about firing people, It can take months for someone to get fired for anything short of violence, theft, or sexual harassment.
Thanks for the answer. It’s clearer now.
This is true. No idea why you're being downvoted. There are tons of protections in place for workers in at-will states.
They will say of themselves as being Irish/Italian/other-european-nationality because their great-grandfather or great-grandmother came from there.
A “politics” channel on a site called Lemmy.World that is specifically only for US politics, because America is the world.
The obsession with mutilating baby boy’s penises.
Vote for people who actively oppose universal healthcare, mandatory PTO policies, universal family leave policies, universal college-level education, etc.
City design and suburbs. Like if I had to drive 40 minutes to get groceries I would prefer to starve and those suburbs look like death would be the better alternative. Also driving to go for a walk, wtf?
No one in a real city or suburb is driving 40 minutes to get groceries in the US.
I was being somewhat hyperbolic, the point was you guys have to drive everywhere to do anything which is so alien to me. Or I guess take public transit which always sounds horrible when Americans describe it, which is also something that sounds so weird to me about the US.
lol that's fair. But also, the there's a cyclical relationship between suburbs and grocers. If you build suburbs, the grocers arrive. Where there are grocers, people might live and form suburbs. You really only have to "drive 40 minutes to get groceries" if you're waaaaaaaaaaaaay out in the sticks. Or, and I'm sorry to say it, what's more likely, is you live in a dense, urban area and are very near groceries, but can't afford a vehicle to get there directly, and so you've got to walk to the bus stop and wait for the bus to come around. This could definitely total 40 minutes to go get some eggs and milk. It's a fucking tragedy.
There a certain ironic cycle there. The cycle you describe of building the suburbs, stores moving in, and people moving in is one part of the cycle. This leads to over-development (in that fucked up car-centric way we have, which leads to traffic congestion etc), and people start moving further out to get away from it. They end up on the edges of it "in the country" with maybe a 40 minute drive for groceries. But then often, the sprawl follows them and their bit of "the country" gets more and more like what they fled.
Grocery is always 5 minutes away in the suburbs. I think you underestimate the amount of stores
I think you underestimate the sprawl of suburbs.
5 Minute by car if your suburb is not completely fucked.
But that is also kinda the point, how long do you have to walk to get groceries?
American here. I hate this too. I am a proponent of convenient walking locations and far better public transportation, and it doesn't look like America's gonna give a damn about those in my lifetime.
Not Just Bikes (YouTube channel talking about this) basically said they've given up on any hope for north america.
City zoning.
Oh, i have to drive from single family zone to commercial district to pick up a loaf of bread. Then drive to education district to drop kids at kindergarten, and finally to business district to work. At the end of the day i hang out at bar/entertainment district with the guys from work to have a beer, but there's no public transport so I have to drink alcohol free so I can drive back home. That's only 120 miles in a day!
Voting registration. I get a letter that I can vote and what the options are. Then on voting day, which is on a Sunday, because why would it be on any other day, I just walk into my town hall with that letter and my ID card, put down my crosses and leave. It's like a walk in the park, often quite literally.
I think the thing is, in America people aren't required to register their residence with the government. At least here in Austria, we are, and that doubles as voter registration if we are eligible to vote. So there is voter registration here too, but it is compulsory.
Ah, if that's the case, then I can get on board with a separate voting registration. Not sure, I'd prefer it, but at least it's not just arbitrarily making democracy harder.
You definitely are required to register your home. Those property taxes aren't going to pay themselves.
But you don't need a home to vote. We went through a whole period in our early history where only land owners were allowed to vote, and generally only white men. It would be discriminatory to not allow homeless people to vote.
It’s since the elections are state run, so there’s no central db. Once you register though your electoral experience is a state by state crapshoot.
Some will make you stand in line for hours forcing you to miss work, others do mail-in ballots with early voting which is kind of awesome.
Wild idea, states should have a central database of the people permanently living there. The fact that they don't seem to have one is baffling to me.
oh I know we don't do it on Sunday. America was so spread out that it took days to get into and kind of town. So you go to church on Sunday then travel on the on Sunday/Monday and and vote on Tuesday.
Yes, they did what was convenient for those times. I don't think it's comvenient anymore though, so why not change it? If people start serving a tradition instead of the tradition serving the people... just get rid of it?
ID card? But what about non-white people? /s
Oh, right, isn't that another oddity with the US, that not everyone has an ID card? Searching the internet tells me there is no such thing as a general ID card in the US. 🙃
Over here, everyone who's eligible for voting (adult citizens) also has an ID card.
Nah, it's the poor people we don't like.
The way politicians and the political system nakedly serves the needs and interests of corporations and the wealthy, and not the average individual.
The way that the price you're quoted invariably gets bumped up by various taxes.
The insane system that is tipping, including the fact that a lot of workers are so underpaid that they rely on tips to get by.
The incessant adverts on TV for medical products, particularly prescription drugs.
Healthcare, electoral college, how supreme court justices are elected, first past the post voting system.
Edit: and the self assurance to nitpick a foreigner over the details of how justices come into their job.
The EC is a mechanism to make the Presidential election less democratic.
Supreme Court Justices aren't elected at all. The President nominates a judge and the Senate votes to approve that person for the post.
FTtP voting is bad. It's just awful. The more you understand it the clearer that becomes.
Healthcare... no cap, we don't understand it, either. It's a mess.
What’s not to understand about your healthcare? It’s the one thing you literally cannot live without. Make the barrier to it $$$ (and tie it to your employment) means you’ll always have a subdued work force, and a big money funnel for the wealthy.
Supreme Court justices aren’t elected.
The Electoral College exists because it was never the intent for the President to be elected by the public. It sticks around because changing it requires changing the Constitution, and a majority of states benefit from the status quo.
There is a plan for its abolishment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUX-frlNBJY&pp=ygUXdG9wIHNuZWFreSBwbGFuIGNncGdyZXk%3D
How any judge is just elected…
If justice isn't democratic then nothing is.
Your houses seem to be made out of paper. Then you complain about strong winds..
I remember hearing that Europe doesn't use drywall nearly as much. A benefit of drywall is cost and repairability, but is basically glorified paper, yes.
You don't have to repair it if you can't break it.
Try breaking a brick wall with your head or fists, lol.
It also hurts way less if you accidentally hit it as an side benefit. I'm Canadian and we also use drywall for everything.
The benefit of stick frame houses is that they can be built quickly, comparatively cheaply, and actually perform much better than other types in hurricane and tornados. The US also has plenty of domestic wood production, so it's the cheapest material to build with. During the housing boom and suburban sprawl of the 50s (where modern American culture started), where everyone wanted their own house and plot of land in rhe "safe suburbs," these were all desirable.
As for the "why don't you build out of brick and stone," it's not like someone would be better off with a stone house in the event of a natural disaster or fire. Even if the structure was still standing, the damage to the foundation would condemn the house under US building code. And now not only does your insurance have to pay to build a new house, it has to pay to have the old one tore down.
Where does this come from. All Euro houses made out of harden steel and concrete?
Canadian here but still, shoes in house? Gross. Obsession with gun culture? Also gross.
German here. The shoe one is worse.
What I really hate is that it seems like American homes are designed for wearing your shoes indoors. Entryways don't commonly have enough space next to the doors to put shoes or a shoe caddy, or there's no nearby wall, so you'd have to put your shoes out in the open.
I know that may be a dumb excuse, but it always annoys me
Shoes in the house is very regional. I live in Colorado and everyone takes off their shoes just inside the door when visiting. The only exception would be like if someone came to deliver a piece of furniture or something where they need foot protection. Maybe it’s more common where it doesn’t ever snow, to leave them on?
Also Canadian, and never understood it - but in thinking, are there any Canadian shows that show the people in their own house without shoes on?
Canadian too, I wear my shoes inside. I don't have kids, and I don't roll around on the floor, so why would I care?
For me, outside is dirty and that's fine, inside is clean.
If I stepped in chewing gum or dogshit or even just general grime, I don't want that inside.
Imperial unit system.
Guns. Just restrict them, it's not that hard
The "winner takes all" political system that ends with two extremist parties and a huge divide between people
Healthcare. Do I need to say anything?
The extreme divide between rich and poor
Police force. They hire lowly educated people, preferably racist, receiving barely any training, and what they do get is mostly nonsense. They then get military equipment, and the entire system is protected by a corrupt union
The amount that news organizations are allowed to lie
Their US customary units. What even is a fluid ounce, and what is it doing in my drink?
They're Florida Ounces
Come visit the UK. We have fluid ounces too, but only for baking. Your drink will be served by the millilitre, unless it's beer in a pub, or milk in a home, in which case it will be served by the pint.
And here’s me hoping to be served by the bartender.
oh and British imperial pints are different than US customary pints just for the extra fun
A shot? An eighth of a cup? Sixteenth of a pint? I mean, I get it. Metric is standard, but of all the units to pick on, the fluid ounce is probably one of our more reasonable measurements. We have acres of less-intuitive units.
That sounds like slang term for a boger.
It doesn't really matter, does it? Just look at the mL.
Flounces are the best part of US Customary units. It's all base 2/8/16, which is a hell of a lot more sensible than base 10 units.
Is that because you have 16 fingers?
It’s all base 2/8/16, which is a hell of a lot more sensible than base 10 units.
Debatable. I probably shouldn't restart the whole imperial vs metric debate, but I might just say that people who grow up with metric think exactly the opposite.
You're serious? Why? I've genuinely never heard this stance before.
Is it because they're powers of two and are therefore easier to halve, quarter, etc. for baking and cooking purposes?
Maybe before we had the scientific ability it measure micro-measurements. It makes no sense today.
Thinking Europeans are the only other humans on Earth
Grocery baggers. I'm German - we pack our own bags over here and most customers do NOT like others to fondle their groceries. We literally do not have any "baggers" in any supermarket, and if a cashier packs a customer's bags without being specifically asked to do so (basically never happens) the customer will take that as an insult - as if you're trying to say they don't get out of your sight fast enough / that you want to speed up their departure to get rid of them, or that you don't think they're capable of that super basic, simple task. It's considered rude and condescending.
A cashier is expected to scan the stuff the customer wants to buy, take payment, hand over the receipt and change, and then leave the customer and their groceries alone.
This seems more like a regional thing these days, over here. I haven't seen grociers bagging groceries for customers since I was a child. I mean... outside of delivery or curbside pick-up. I do remember it being a pretty standard thing, though. Heck, it used to be a dedicated job position.
The bagger is presented as a courtesy, someone to do the work for you. In reality you're exactly right: it's to keep a brisk pace for the transaction. And if it takes too long to finish the transaction the manager can also yell at someone to speed it up.
We have Aldi here (at least in some of the states) so some of us know what you mean. But it's definitely not the norm, so many customers aren't very acclimated to the rapid baggerless checkout.
WinCo Foods doesn't bag for you either. Love their cheap prices.
Hear hear! Why is this so hard to understand in this damn country?! (US)
I always just tell the sacker I'm going to do it myself. They never have a problem with that
Same in the UK, they scan it, then you're on your own.
Some popular supermarkets will have grocery baggers here in Norway on super busy days before long holidays, for efficiency to keep the lines moving. Maybe two or three days a year.
American here. Honestly eager to hear what they have to say. It would be cool insight into things I don't even really think about! ^^
Love your attitude. Have an upvote.
Restaurant tipping instead of decent wages; somehow the blame is on the "stingy" customer
they have an insane amount of gun and gun related deaths They don't have Universal Healthcare they don't have a federal payed leave law they don't have a maternal/paternal leave law they don't have tuition free universities they don't have decent mass transportation The use of the imperial system
It just doesn't make sense and baffles my mind for the richest country in the world to treat it's citizens like this
Okay now I'm stretching the OPs idea a little bit, but America is big.
How people live in South America never needing to learn other language than Spanish and plausibly never interacting with a foreign language outside movies. I spent some time in Chile, the place I lived in had a nice janitor. He did not speak English, I only knew a few loose words in Spanish so communication was... peculiar. Only after 2 months of awkward interactions he realised, that I probably am not Spanish native speaker and it hit me.
When your entire life in a continent where everyone speaks flavours of Spanish or Portugese, you can have successful, international career only in Spanish, participate in all kinds of rich culture only in Spanish and all signs and labels are only in Spanish, huge majority of tourists speak Spanish... it is not immediately obvious, that people may not speak Spanish.
Don't get me wrong, it's not dunking on "dumb spanish speakers". There are ton of places in Europe where people disregard English, where it's famously hard to communicate in anything other than the local language, but the fact, that other languages exist is apparent to everyone once they learn to read. Awareness that people actually speak these languages is the most natural knowledge from ground school as we learn that "Germany speaks German. Italy speaks Italian" etc. A perspective which does not involve being in constant proximity to numerous foreign languages felt like something that made no sense to me in the past until I actually came into contact with it.
Lack of history.
In LA I've been told that old buildings are demolished to build new ones.
Something 50 years old is an historic landmark there.
Cheap wooden houses in areas with termites
And no insulation, so you rely on expensive AC
Tipping
Very large cars. You can easily fit 5 people in a small car.. lol.
Your voting system. Registering to vote? Wtf is this? Here you get your "ticket" to vote, by mail, automatically after you turn 18, a few weeks before the election date. And you are required by law to get time off, to vote, if youre otherwise unable to make it in time.
Also paying for education.. lol. Here its all free. In fact, im getting paid to study. (Not a ton but enough to get by)
Saying "could care less" when that's not what they mean.
This has bothered me. It is supposed to be "couldn't" yet the consistenly degrading language has caused this I believe.
consistenly degrading language
Can't tell if this was written in 2023, 1993, or 103 BC
People constantly try to argue with me that language isn't degrading, it's just changing. Those people of course don't know anything about language. It's not even that the degradation of language is new; but it's definitely happening all the time, as people in day-to-day life make constant assumptions about what words mean, those assumptions catch on, and our wordpool becomes more and more homogeneous all the time.
Here's an example. A lot of people are confusing "pity" with "contempt" now and think "pity" is a bad word. It is not only not a bad word, but we don't have a convenient 1:1 replacement for it either.
So what I'm saying is happening is that people are making stupid assumptions about the meanings of words, and that makes us lose words that convey specific and unique ideas, with no 1:1 replacements for those words. Instead, what happens is language becomes more homogeneous as we keep turning unique words into ones that mean something we already have other words for. We already have a lot of words for "awesome", we don't need to lose the real meanings of "epic" or "ultimate" for that. We already have "coincidence", we don't need "irony" to lose meaning for that. We already have a word for "indeed", we don't need "literally" to lose meaning for that. We already have lots of words for "stupid person", we don't need "dumb", "nimrod", or "autistic" to lose meaning for that. The list goes on.
Here's another example. We have a ton of words for "stupid person". "Nimrod" is known for one thing-- being stated as a great hunter in the book of Genesis, and nothing else. Bugs Bunny once called Elmer Fudd "a poor Nimrod", and people just assumed Bugs was insulting him. That is why people think "nimrod" means "stupid" when it in fact meant "hunter". That's how language degrades-- by ignorant assumption where people turn words with a nuanced meaning into words that have a meaning that we already have lots of words for.
While we're at it, what does "on accident", and accident isn't a tangible object, it's an event.
Meh, those are very different. "on accident" is technically wrong, but the technically wrong of today is the accepted version of tomorrow. Compare that to "could care less", which literally means the opposite of what you're trying to say.
Not all Americans use this phrase incorrectly, mostly just ignorant people.
I've decided to subvert the error. I could care less, but it would take the ratification of a constitutional amendment.
I could careless
I found David Mitchell's lemmy account
Just because they could doesn't mean they care a lot
answer sarcasm
Electing positions that require specialized skills or have judiciary authority. You elect your law enforcement, your judges, your fucking dog catchers. What the fuck?? Is it so hard to come up with a meritocratic method of selecting a fucking dog catcher that you must just throw your hands up and just ask random people what to do?!
Nobody in America cares about who will get the job done right. America only cares about bribery and power.
Normal people are uneducated and vote for people like it's a popularity contest or to be "anti-the-other-side"; while important things like judges aren't voted in by the people, but stacked towards the agenda of whichever (corrupt) party is already in office.
I would kill for an actual meritocracy, where the law said only accomplished people in specific areas could apply for specific kinds of jobs— especially political ones.
Religion.
Anti Vax.
Militarised police.
Racism.
Political corruption.
Foreign wars.
Mass shootings.
Healthcare.
Public transit.
Abortion.
UFO.
Capitalism.
Two weeks holiday.
Maternity leave.
At least half of those are not unique to the United States. Lots of countries have problems with militarised police. And of course racism is universal.
Nobody does racism like the Italians.
Yes, maternity leave! The US approach is bonkers.
I don’t get two weeks holiday yet. 5 days this year and I had none my first year.
You're actually fucking kidding me, right? That's... inhuman. Can you move overseas?
My experience is from Canada, but Canada is in America so it should count:
Absolute hostility against pedestrians. Or not-driving in general. It seems you are unworthy of public services if you don’t own a car in the US.
Tipping and calculating your own taxes
Police officer: sees black man running
spins wheel
dadada·da·da-da-da–da–da—da — da TRESPASSING
(The wheel is 60% trespassing)
Also, what are sheriffs for?
Several things, but top of the list is guns.
No promotion/relegation in their sports leagues so it's just the same 20 teams playing in the top flight every year. Sounds well boring.
Cars. You seem to buy cars like smartphones( actualy probably even worse since buying phone on credit dosent seem to be as common nowadays ) . If you can afford the credit payment for the card dosent mean you can afford the car. In fact why everyone buys stuff on credit cards in the US . It seems insane to me to go to debt for a stupid cofee.
Everything in this thread so far is normal stuff I could have guessed. Guns, metric, tipping, etc. Most of it has large groups of people in the country that agree, or at least know.
What are some non-obvious things? Culture shock isn't about major political issues. It's about universal things that turn out to not be universal.
For example, US people have a strong culture of how standing in line works. It's basically a moral sin to butt in line unless you have someone holding your place. This is universal in the country. My understanding is that other countries differ. Is that true?
France doesn't understand how to queue.
They will look you in the eyes and smile while they cut you off in line at the bakery to buy a fucking baguette, not even realizing the injustice they have done you.
Source : I go to France at least once a year on vacation.
Well, that also depends on your attitude in the boulangerie. If you're busy standing around looking and going ah-humm and look like you're still browsing while the cashier isn't doing anything, then yeah folks are just gonna walk to the counter to order that baguette. The transaction is gonna take 20sec, they already know what they want, the baker already knows what they want because they buy the same thing every day, and probably they're gonna give them the exact change needed.
If there's an actual queue and people are waiting in line, no one in their right mind would try to cut, in some French regions that's how you end up at the hospital.
In the UK we pride ourselves on our ability to queue for no apparent reason.
Sir, pride in the sanctity of the Queue is reason enough alone.
Seriously though, being in places where people don't queue properly is miserable. That's something America should be applauded for.
Unless you're up the ramp at the pub, then it's everyman for himself and hope the bar maid has a good memory.
I know some small petty things!
You say "off of". In the UK we just say off. "Get off my lawn" Vs "Get off of my lawn". Why do you need the extra word?
You call pasta noodles. Pasta is not noodles.
I once got kicked off (of) a beach at 9pm by a police officer. Wtf? It's the beach, who cares if I'm on it at night? And why is it so important to have a police car patrolling it?
On that note, trespassing seems much more serious in America. In a lot of the world you can just wander around, if it's on somebody else's land it's no big deal as long as you don't cause a mess.
For the culture thing, Americans are generally louder and less subtle than any other nationality. They're more friendly and energetic. There's a certain type of dry sarcastic humour that never lands with Americans. I don't want to call it British humour because there's never any confusion with the rest of Europe
Why would it not be bad to cut in line? It just makes sense to respect people's time by maintaining FIFO order.
I spent some time in Germany and it's very much so not true there. I was waiting on line for something and my German friend got in a different line and he got his food a solid ten minutes before me. Afterwards he explained that he took the line against the wall so people could only budge in front of him from one direction. He told me "Germans cut. It's just the way it is."
God, how is there not more daily murder there.
The lack of relegation or promotion in your sports leagues. Isn't the same 20 teams being in the Superbowl, MLB, NBA, every year boring? How do you live without the shaudenfraude of seeing a previously good team go down or the glory of a team cooking up and giant killing in their first tip flight season?
...Two teams play the Super Bowl every year.
An NFL season consists of a 3 week pre-season and an 18 week regular season during which all teams in the league--currently 32--compete within their division and conference. The winners of each of the four divisions in both conferences plus three wild card teams who among the remaining teams have the best record of both conferences (14 teams in all) go on to play in the post-season playoffs, a single-elimination tournament whose final, championship game is the Super Bowl.
American football fans enjoy the schadenfreude of a previous championship team not even making the playoffs, or the glory of a team who hasn't made the playoffs in recent memory going all the way to The Big Game.
It’s the same here in the Netherlands.
Putting american flags everywhere. What do you want to tell me with that? That you like the country? Obviously you do or else you wouldn't live there
Obviously you do or else you wouldn’t live there
Don't make such assumptions.
Yeah, when you live in the US, moving anywhere else isn't as easy as packing up your things to go to a new country. We don't have the benefit of an EU or Schengen Zone.
Obviously you do or else you wouldn't live there
Very much not true. Moving to another country full time is not particularly easy for a lot of people.
Oh actually no most of us can’t reasonably leave. We don’t have a shengen type deal or financial security so leaving is actually quite difficult for most of us.
I asked an American who was getting citizenship in my country if they were going to relinquish their american citizenship and was told that was pretty much unthinkable for an american.
It takes swathes of resources to get out of this hellhole. You wanna provide about $50k and a guaranteed job / housing / transport out for me? Then I can leave.
They do this in Europe too though (not with the US flags, obviously).
Norway is particularly famous for flying the flag everywhere.
Fair, I have also seen plenty of flags in Denmark.
As a German it weirds me out. We don't do that kind of nationalism any more.
I see a good bit of flag waving in the Netherlands as well. In France though I'd be weirded out if I saw one besides on official buildings and stuff.
I was very pleased aghast that they had porn on TV in Europe after a certain hour when visiting in my teenage years.
they had softcore porn at the airport in Moscow when I visited in the mid-90s! i was a young teenager being mesmerized by tits.
I've been to european countries where they do this too.
What's up with that "bus shaming"? It would never occur to me to judge people based on whether they use public transport VS own a car!
Pickup trucks everywhere. No public transportation usually. General Tso's chicken is a typical Chinese food you get. Weed products are available almost everywhere legally. Light beer. No proper lager beer even in small breweries. How people drive. No sidewalks most of the time. The whole health industry. Electric sockets. So many churches. The general war against trans people. The general war against women.
No proper lager beer
We import almost every German, Austrian, and Czech beer to the US...what do you think we're missing?
Augustiner or Hofbräu helles would be a great start at least. Fresh from the tap. Usually what you find is either pils or wheat. Bavarian white lagers are hard to source but those two are the biggest.
A good London Porter.
There is local beer; microbreweries have blossomed a lot with the past 20 years. There just aren't that many old breweries because less than 10 survived Prohibition.
I know. I'm currently in Asheville, there's lots of breweries here and some really good beers. I'm just not such a big fan of ales, sours or ipas. I like a really good lager, and I'm living in Germany which has probably the best lagers in the world.
I have a lot of breweries in my area, they make very few lagers, most of their offerings are ales of various types. Lagers require more specific conditions and take more time so they're harder to do consistently at scale.
You can add prohibition to the list of US stuff I don't get. What made them think they could ban booze, something that's existed since before recorded history.
what wrong with american electrical sockets?
They get loose very fast and look pretty dangerous when the metal is visible. The European models sit tight in the socket and you need some strength to unplug them.
School/mass shootings.
What, they're shooting up catholic churches now
Nah, just the ones full of minorities
Sandwich for lunch.
Gas operated dryers.
High school proms being such a big thing.
Garbage disposable units.
That's really something the rest of the world should learn to use, they're an upgrade.
If you don't compost and you don't want your garbage to stink, they make sense to me. If you're using it properly, i.e. just putting food waste in it, it's going to decompose safely.
I use them more for taking care of the little bits of food that wash off my dishes when I have to clean them in the sink. Instead of grabbing all that gunk out of the sink and throwing it away (which is gross to do), I just let it go down the drain and grind it up in the disposal. EZPZ.
Its handy af, why not
It is bad for the water treatment plants or pipes if its overused. Only water should go down the drain. I can't imagine the comfort they provide makes up for their downsides.
Am American... Have had several places over the years with garbage disposal units.
I absolutely abhor the things... Almost no one uses them properly so they put shit in them that should be going in the trash causing clogs and busted disposal units.
If my wife didn't insist on having one I absolutely would not have one in my house ever again.
My garbage can doesn’t get nearly as stinky now that I don’t have to throw much food waste in it.
You only have one garbage can?
Americans seem very "fighty" compared to people from many other countries. You just have to say something that could be construed as liberal (the American kind) or conservative, too politically correct or incorrect, or mention you ride a bicycle or have an outdoor cat, to set some people off. With some Americans having a conversation is like navigating a minefield, especially those who have very little understanding of the rest of the world and reads everything you say into an American context, language barriers and all.
I love talking politics, and have had pleasant conversations with all kinds of people but I have learned from experience to just not bother with Americans, unless they're the very curious and open kind.
Worshipping guns.
Work hard.
Why???
A garbage disposal in the sink. Practically illegal everywhere. They seem fun to have though
Random pick from a rather long list: The fact that the president can (and does; a lot..) "pardon" random criminals.
Think that calling a waiter to your table is rude. Like are supposed to wait forever?