Refrigerator ads are finally here!
Refrigerator ads are finally here!
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That thing would already have a broken cracked screen if that was mine and it started displaying ads.
What a fucking dystopia
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Now you know to think twice before buying Samsung anything
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Samsung recently released UI 8 for Android, which had the astounding forward-thinking and innovative move of removing the ability to silence your phone by hitting the volume down button
idk what phone I'm gonna buy next, but that's the last straw with Samsung for me. I'm already sick of them changing features on the phone to make them worse, like how in order to do a partial screenshot (a feature I used to use a lot) you now need to click the button and wait a few seconds for the "AI" to think about what portion of the screen to select. you cannot skip this waiting period. you cannot disable this (that I have found). you cannot 'undo' when you draw a box around a section that includes text and it tries to helpfully extract the text for you instead of just fucking taking a screenshot of the highlighted portion of the screen
fuck Samsung
a guy at work said graphene has been going pretty good
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I like my Motorola it's on the cheaper side but it has an AUX and a disturbingly good battery. Still android so you have to deal with BS, but hey the slightly better model has an microSD card slot so that's good I guess.
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Oh thank fuck I disabled updates holy hell my phone would be in a billion pieces and my wife would kill me for destroying my phone.
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If you're that fed up, may as well buy an iPhone and root/flash the thing to a custom OS, or another Samsung, and do the same thing. Those brands have consistently had the best hardware, so if you're gonna just nuke the software anyway, which is your best option, may as well get the hardware that you want.
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It's a smart fridge; they didn't even think once when they bought it
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i think eventually we're gonna have to deal with the reality that audio/video advertising needs to be outlawed. keep it in print if necessary.
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Why does there still need to be advertisements though?
I'd completely ban marketing altogether. Their only purpose is to hack human brains in order to get them to buy stuff they otherwise wouldn't. They are the reason we have overconsumption.
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Start with the example of the city of São Paulo, the 4th largest city in the world, which banned all outdoor advertising many years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa
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How would you even do that? Marketing is tied up into every single purchasing decision we make. The colors and fonts on the packaging; the perceived value or luxury of the store you're buying it from; the placement of the products within that store; the price of the product itself. All of these signal things about the perceived value of the product and influence what people purchase.
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There are some things I want to know about that may or may not be considered advertising. Stuff like a band I like going on tour, or a video game I'm interested in releasing.
Maybe in your world those could just be like opt-in newsletters.
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Banning "marketing" in general is impossible. In order for humans to survive, we need to acquire means of sustenance. With social division of labor, you cannot acquire all the means of sustenance you need by yourself or within your immediate community. As such, a market is necessary to exchange commodities, including means of sustenance and means of production, and the mere act of bringing a commodity to a market is, by definition, marketing.
Banning advertising in general is more possible, but probably a bad idea. Imagine you want to buy bread. How would you go about that? Look for a "bakery" sign? Whoops, that's advertising, can't have that. Your best bet then is, like, going into every single open door on the street until you find a bakery, which doesn't sound good at all.
What we should do is regulate advertising down to its minimum necessary function, which is helping people find what they are already looking for, plus maybe PSA type of ads (e.g. reminding you to get vaccinated and stuff). So yeah, most modern ads should be banned, but some should be kept because there is some actual use in them.
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I think allowing print and physical media would enable using signs outside your building, use branding on your documents, etc. plus make it more valuable for the already dying media of print, and also pretty much make advertising an opt in situation since you can choose to engage in it, rather than having something like the fucking sphere blazed into your retina with the power of 15 suns in the middle of the night.
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I disagree. I think that's far too extreme, there shouldn't be blanket bans because big tech ruins it for everyone, it harms stuff like minor indie creators or small buisnesses, that being said it needs to be HEAVILY regulated, like fridges should never have ads nor any smart appliance
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How about... we go a step further and just stop making appliances "smart"?
My toaster doesn't need AI to tell the difference between a fucking bagel and a slice of bread. They already figured out solutions to this shit decades ago.
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I don't think a content provider should be allowed to have more than 5-10% of their content be advertisements.
Website screen space, newspapers, tv channels, etc
Instagram shouldn't have more than 1-2 sponsored post for every 20 posts. At the moment it seems closer to 10.
An hour long TV slot shouldn't have more than 3-6 minutes of advertisement. At the moment it's closer to 20-30.
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Wow. Not even a tasteful design, just turning the fridge into a full fledged highway billboard. Disgusting.
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At least it's static. They could've done a constant animation for maximal annoyance while you're trying to focus on cutting onions.
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Please stop buying these & they will stop making them.
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This is capitalism, they will stop making the normal fridges and only make these fucking things. The only power customers truly have is through regulation(though we should still boycott things because it still helps).
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That's not really true, we're at the point where oligarchs basically have the unlimited money glitch, they don't give a fuck about what the consumers ask for and just demand that we want things that help them screw us over. That's why every job and every application process demands that prospective employees have their own car and their own smartphone.
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Appliance repair man here. You can turn the screen off from a cover you remove from the top of the fridge door. Do so. You don't need a fucking android tablet on your fridge.
Also don't buy these kinds of appliances. They're terrible!
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Are there any brands that are total shite these days? We are gonna have to replace our crappy Samsung fridge from 2013 soon.
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I just bought this one a couple months ago. It goes on sale frequently for $2K from Lowe's: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Frigidaire-Gallery-21-5-cu-ft-4-Door-Counter-depth-French-Door-Refrigerator-with-Ice-Maker-Smudge-proof-Stainless-Steel-ENERGY-STAR/5013313509
Pretty sure we got an RMA for the first unit as the door had a scratch and the compressor fan sounded high pitched. Got a next day replacement and no complaints on the second one. Was concerned about sqft as we were coming from a 25sqft but am surprisingly happy with this one.
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Bosch makes a few descent models.
Things to skip on all brands.
External water & ice dispensers, doesnt matter the brand. You're cutting a fucking hole in the thermal envelope to put a faulty device that's experiencing mechanical stress on parts every time you open/close the door. It's not a matter of if it will fail, but when. Also, increased operational cost. Internal water dispensers and automatic ice makers are always the better option if you want those features.
Smart features. Why the fuck do you need smart features on a fridge? Even if it's using AI vision to scan for inventory... Just no, fucking no. That's more personal data on you to be bought, sold, data breached, and utilized to fuck you somehow.
Fridges that split the freezer and fridge on a vertically.
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If you're in the states you've probably had the ice maker replaced in that fridge.
I wouldn't expect it to last much longer definitely count on it breaking down at some point in the very near future.
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I've heard that appliances in general and refrigerators specifically, from the last many years are crap. I don't know what the cut off date is, but I hear that they're generally made to break after a few years now and don't have replacement parts for very long. @mechoman444@lemmy.world may have a more informed answer, but it seems to me that people are better off buying old fridges used from friends or relatives.
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What the fuck do they even do? I thought they were supposed to scan the ingredients in your fridge, then tell you what's about to expire and what recipes you can make. But apparently they can't even do that, so what purpose do they serve that I can't already accomplish by bringing my phone into the kitchen?
Can they at least monitor the temperature across different areas of the fridge, or connect to my power meter like my thermostat can and optimize power usage to be lower when electricity is more expensive? Or are they literally just an Android tablet glued to a fridge?
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Or are they literally just an Android tablet glued to a fridge?
Yes
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Samsung appliances used to be durable.
I had a Samsung washing machine for about two decades. We deciced to replace it with another Samsung, it already has a big crack in the plastic after a year of use and the top is all scratched just by dragging the clothes out.
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Speed Queen, my parents bought one in 1992 and it lasted over 20 years with almost no issues. When it finally started needing regular maintenance mom replaced it and got another Speed Queen, ten years later not a single issue yet.
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Damn, South Korean industry really going the way of American car manufacturing, huh?
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Disconnect it from the Internet for starters. Why else would a company want to sell you a fridge with a screen?
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What can you even do on an un-networked fridge screen? Play bejeweled while contemplating suicide?
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Cool screensavers.
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A year ago I found out my TV didn't even have a "Forget this network" button. You had to
- Make a new WiFi network
- Connect it to that
- Turn off new WiFi network
In order to disconnect it. I went down this road because every time I watched a Blu RAY, it would pop-up an ad saying "HERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU COULD WATCH THIS MOVIE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T NEED!"
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Heh. That's how i "delete" my credit card info from a service that i don't want to do business with anymore.
- Generate a virtual card through my financial institution
- Assign that card to handle payment of that subscription via the merchant
- Shut off the card.
Eat shit Disney. I'm never paying you a dime ever again.
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Couldnt you just change your wifi password and not tell the TV?
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Kill it with fire.
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Why does a fridge need a screen to begin with?
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To justify the constant upcharges. Touchscreens still feel much more luxurious than they're actually worth. Car manufacturers do the same to save money.
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Could be I'm the minority here, but touchscreens stopped feeling like a value add years ago. Somehow I've wrapped back around to a good button or knob being the marker of quality. One of the reasons I chose my current vehicle was because they let the most common controls (climate, radio, etc) stay tactile.
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Your first mistake was buying anything Samsung.
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How long before the fridge's compressor swells up and explodes
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I would like to agree, unfortunately Samsung still gives the longest updates on sub 150 euro phones.
But yeah, why does a refrigerator needs a screen in the first place? My white branded fridge must be nearing at least 15 years old, could use new rubber but apart from what still working perfectly.
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My place came with samsung laundry machines. I've already regretted it.
Do Not Buy
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This. 100%
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The best part about this is it’s an ad for Pluribus where, without spoiling anything, a message like that on a fridge would absolutely work in the show.
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It is a perfectly placed ad.
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Honestly, it'd work in the 5th element, or judge dredd, total recall, Cyberpunk 2077, the outer worlds, etc.
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Bravo, Vince!
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Wait why the fuck would a fridge be connected to the internet?
Edit: where I come from we don't have unlimited internet plans so this would just be taking up expensive bandwidth and monthly quota.
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I'm not defending this practice because it's remarkably awful but I will note that I have a router that lets me monitor the traffic that individual devices use and most smart devices like this actually use incredibly small amounts of bandwidth. Our smart water tank uses ~10 MB a month which is smaller than most images.
And yes I do think a smart water tank is valid because it can do shit like tell me when it thinks it's about to explode or leak or whatever and it can also like, be remote controlled, and it has a heat pump which is nice.
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I suppose I'd want to know if my fridge was about to explode... /s
In seriousness, though, you're right - the problem isn't with the technology, it's how the technology is used
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I'm also not against automation or making machines "smart" it's just that what companies are marketing nowadays is just mostly overpriced shit.
And by consuming bandwidth I didn't mean for the indented usage I was mostly talking about the ads which will probably be filled with unnecessary metadata, trackers, unnecessarily large CSS files (if it was web based) and maybe high quality images. All of these things I find completely unnecessary.
Also coming from a computer engineering background if I was living in a "smart households" I would probably want to set up my own firewall. And like I said while I like the idea of home automation I don't want a corporation to be able to control or access my appliances too.
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Recently I read an article about smart devices uploading and downloading over 1GB per day. I tried to find the article again but all I can find is stores selling smart fridges etc. Search engines are broken. I asked chatgpt, which was able to find articles. How fucked is this. Boring dystopia. Anyway, here are some sources.
https://www.tomshardware.com/networking/your-washing-machine-could-be-sending-37-gb-of-data-a-day
https://www.reddit.com/r/smarthome/s/F5ETernz6f
https://www.reddit.com/r/SmartThings/s/HY2E0uOBiH
In the following article they talk about devices sending up to 19MB per week, but only text (so again insane amounts of data considering it's only text).
https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/privacy/smart-appliances-and-privacy-a1186358482/
The following is about researchers finding lots of thirst party domains when analyzing IoT traffic from Smart devices.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.09848
The following is an academic paper on how even encrypted data isn't safe from Smart devices. Bit off topic, but still interesting.
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I tried to find the article again but all I can find is stores selling smart fridges etc. Search engines are broken.
I was able to find some links using duckduckgo including the same article from "Tomshardware" so at least that still works.
Again I don't know why a washing machine would need an internet connection it's not like you can remotely load it.
I mean I do understand the appeal and usefulness of smart homes and some IoT devices but companies are pushing AI and internet connectivity like it's some kind of magic that makes any product better. I mean it would be nice to have a centralised panel to view your usage patterns and consumption but even then you don't need all this overpowered tech stuff.
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The whole selling points was to track fridge contents via cameras so that not only could you ‚see’ inside without having to open the door - theoretically saving electricity, using AI it was supposed to be able to track expiry dates, and suggest shopping lists in order to have full recipes.
Additionally it had all the usual „smart home” integrations on top of that.
But let’s be honest, the whole point was just to put in yet another screen that vendors could sell advertisements on, as well as track/sell personal information.
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For no good reason whatsoever
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by the way the fridge cost 1800$
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Oh no, who could have ever seen that coming?
Now wait for the subscription service to get rid of ads on the fridge you bought and "own". Oh, and that neat thing they do with cars now where you have to subscribe to get certain feature? That's also next. "Only
5$10$20$ per month to keep your fridge cool enough so the milk won't spoil! It's not a normal function of the fridge, it's our super special anti-bacterial option that costs extra.-
Black Mirror season 7 (I think) has an episode about this. Surgery to fix a part of brain (not cheap) installing a chip. And after some time pay a subscription to get rid of ads. And subscription gets more expensive over time.
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It’s a pretty good one. Feels almost too on the nose, at times.
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I'm ready to move to a commune. But like.... not a hippie Luddite commune that shirks all technology. Just one that isn't fucking insane about the tech in their lives. basically one that rewinds a bit back towards maybe the early to mid 2000s. Where we had a of the tech in a still mostly uncorrupted form.
Its like "the village" for people who are utterly exhausted by corporate greed. Someone get M. Night Shammalamma or whatever on the phone.
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An interesting, to me, aside: The luddites were not, as is commonly taught, anti-technology. They were protesting against the consolidation of money/power that technology was making possible. We don't want to teach class warfare though.
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Huh. I guess I'm a Luddite.
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I work in tech, and literally have had this conversation multiple times with my other friends that work in tech. We are all completely exhausted.
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If you and your friends agree that you want to be part of a commune... Well, there you go! Go and found one!
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I'm actively looking for people who would be interested in building a Gay Furry Commune in Massachusetts.
With pooled assets, we can actually AFFORD to buy some land AND build on it.
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Can't wait to see this come to the dash boards of modern cars. Oh? You're trying to reverse and make use of your rear-view camera? Watch this 2 minute unskippable ad first.
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As much as there's ads on everything, using it on safety features would be grounds for a lawsuit
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like the Cyber truck?
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If that happens I'm backing over a child out of spite.
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There's a pretty simple hack for this, actually…
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Is it AI powered too?
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Oh how truly dystopian - maybe next year.
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I’m sorry Dave, I can’t dispense any more calories for you today.
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"if you go for a 2 mile run, I'll give you 2 carrots, you fat fuck. Take the watch!"
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Most likely. But even if it isn't, it will soon be after the next firmware update.
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Thank god fridges have ads now. I have been so unhappy not knowing what to purchase every day of my life. Now my fridge can tell me all the things I should purchase to fill up my home and go so deep into debt that I will be homeless. Thanks Samsung, I was too stupid to do this without you. . . . /s
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Tragically, some marketing dipshits and more than a few executives had this exact same thoughts about us without the /s.
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By 2030 everyone's kitchen will look like fucking Times Square
The stairs to your basement will look like the London Underground. We're going down the fucking tube... literally and metaphorically
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Only the poors will have this. Your land Lord is going to go for the cheapest option which will probably have a screen you don't want with sound you can't mute.
People buying subzero or other luxury brands will be fine though.
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Your entire home will. They're going to figure out how to pipe ads through every connection you have. When your smoke alarm batteries need changing, it will start blaring ads for Eveready.
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I can feel it coming. I've started to devest myself anything that dares to show me an ad. It's liberating. You don't actually have to live in their algorithmic black box. RSS still exist, fediverse isn't going anywhere and the constellation of ad blockers are still doing the Lords work. Fuck the marketers.
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And with neurolink, they'll find a way to shove ads in when you close your eyes and subliminal thoughts
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I have seen a video about this shit also being implemented in cars. You can drive down the highway, with your GPS on and a pop up ad appears out of the blue, blocking the screen, not really allowing you to get rid of it before you remove your attention from the road to the screen, trying to figure out what button to push to get rid of the ad.
And the fact that people pay extra for cars and fridges to show them ads is just so friggin stupid. If people buy these products after knowing that they pay extra to be bombarded with ads, its 100% on them.
But in the case of the car, I do feel that shit should be illegal. It's so fucking dangerous and irresponsible from the manufacturer to implement a "feature" that can cost lives.
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Don't worry, the fridge ones'll have ads for kids soon, with a candy-coated Buy Now button. Go-o-o *society!*🥳
Atwood's a gawdamn fortune teller
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Only if people buy those things. I doubt the majority of people wants to pay extra for fridges with screens in them.
I think this shit is a fad that will go away in the same way 3D and VR did despite everyone promising this was the future. It's too expensive, too impractical and won't hold up once the novelty wears off.
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Start watching
On what, the fucking fridge?
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Why on earth would anybody buy a fridge with a screen? Why does everything have to be screens? Why is it all one big mobile phone nowadays? Can't we just not be staring gormlessly into a flashing screen for two fucking seconds for a fucking change?????????? I just got back inside from a run and now I'm going outside again for a walk in the dark and the rain because there is an entire world out there that isn't an algorithmically driven advertising funnel trying to shove more bullshit down our eager eyes, ears, and throats.
Although, while I'm on the subject, the outside world is fucking chock full of ads. I've heard it's relatively trivial to open those advertising windows on bus stops - does anybody know if it would be illegal to open one up and simply place a large black sheet of paper or something in there to cover up the ads? Not damage the ads or remove (i.e. steal) them, but just cover them up to give ourselves and our communities a break from the relentless marketers in our midst?
We deserve not have to our senses monetised and weaponised by perverts who cum themselves dry over CTRs, CLVs, CPCs, SEO, Brand Loyalty, Funnels, and Strategies, Local SEO, whatever else. We deserve to be able to look in any direction when we're outside and for five minutes not have some massive gaudy advert designed by a bellend pushed into view.
And as for fucking User Personas? I've got a User Persona for you, you sick advertising creeps. It's my fucking ballsack.
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I can see a screen though, if only the consumer had control over it and it were modifiable
Think about the traditional calendar on the fridge - why not update that to digital? It could be a visible central place for lists or white board or notes. Maybe home status notifications or personal locations like the Weasley clock in Harry Potter? But there are so many reasons for this to be a nonstarter from the manufacturer. Just no.
What they should be doing is a modular set of hooks or brackets so you can choose to securely mount items of your choice. Such as a screen you control and can replace when it breaks
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Why on earth would anybody buy a fridge with a screen?
Because like "smart" TVs, it's getting more and more difficult to get good ones without the "smart" bits. It might've been on sale, and they didn't realize the avarice at play.
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if i could install and run Home Assistant on this, i could see having a use for it... but that requires me to have complete control, and not samsungs BS
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Bill Burr could have written this
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I never connect smart shit to my internet but I'm sure eventually they won't function until you do.
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Bought a new stove recently that wouldn’t alllow the air fry mode to be used unless it was connected to WiFi.
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What the fuck?
Name and shame.
BTW, I hate all of this 'air fry' nonsense, we've had convection (fan force) baking for decades.
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Horrifying
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I already decided to stop buying Samsung TVs when they started showing ads in the menus.
I imagine other consumers will start to make similar choices with their appliances.
Whatever exec thought this was a good idea probably already got a huge bonus and will move on to ruin another company's products before the impact to their bottom line is felt.
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The number one feature on my list when buying a TV (or any appliance really) is “dumb”.
Maybe someone should start an appliance brand called DUM and capitalize on this. Plain, no frills, extreme durability appliances. I’d buy!
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Any non-smart TVs you would recommend? And what would be your preferred streaming device?
I think a good balance would be a TV that only supports casting either with Chromecast or AirPlay or something similar. The last Chromecast I bought couldn't even keep up with 4k streaming but 4k streaming works fine on my smart TV.
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But you can't make that choice if every brand does it. And then they can make it not function properly without internet access. They will force the internet of shit on us.
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A piece of cardboard and some tape will take care of that.
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If by cardboard you mean gasoline, and tape you mean fire... I agree!
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Well, I mean the rest of the fridge is okay, no? More to the point, what would someone do if they didn't have the internet and bought the fridge..
Just because something is "smart" is no reason to let it have access to the internet.
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So, if I bought this at Costco, and the fridge was 10 years old, I'd use their guarantee to return the motherfucker and make a
hugeepic fucking scene if they tried to refuse.edit: huge wasn't enough, it would be epic.
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you can use a hammer
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I fail to see a why a fridge would need a touchscreen in the first place. Like whats the reasoning?
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One more step closer to the old Twilight Zone episodes where the machines come alive.
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"Please drink verification can to access the fridge"
"THE VERIFICATION CAN IS IN THE FRIDGE YOU DUMBASS AI"
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Or Futurama where ads are beamed directly into your dreams at night.
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I feel the sudden urge to buy Lightspeed® Brand briefs.
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Yeah, that's terrible. We're already at Minority Reports levels, only still without a great AR device, only the phone itself.
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Everyday I'm cyberpunkin'
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Ngl, that appearing on your fridge fits the show so well though. Points to Apple for abusing Samsung's choice to put ads on a fucking fridge
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What's the fuss about it? It is always nice to have another
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The dystopia is already here ffs...
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That's the whole point of this sub lol
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I saw a daily Home Depot special for "smart toilets" and my first thought was "you mean I can't poop if AWS is down?!".
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You can roll your own with Magic Mirror
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What am I looking at?
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Aggressively American
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Samsung is Korean lol
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Buy my ad blocking tape. 0.5 meters only $19.99
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"Feed me!"
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bootstrapping problem if you need to drink your Mountain Dew(tm) verification can before you can open the door.
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Gotta keep some warm ones outside the fridge just for this situation. It only takes a couple of warm Mountain Dew's to get people back in line.
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Hello, yes, can I get some cold?
We have $1299 cold (ad supported) and $1599 cold (ad free).
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Except that the one with ads is more expensive.
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You bought a fridge with a tv. You knew it was going to happen
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I hate this mentality.
"You did a thing, you knew what was going to happen" is victim-blaming. It's increasingly hard NOT to buy a device that has some bullshit tech pushed into it, or AI pushed into it. And I'd bet there was nothing on the sales floor about eventual ads.
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i partially agree, but: buying a fridge without a screen is fairly trivial still (luckily). buying a tv that is not "smart" is fucking difficult, and (at least last time I had to do it a couple of years ago) you are basically left with subpar screen technology because the fancy screens go into the crappy smart tv line. the solution is defining for yourself, and accepting the "good enough" level... basically stop caring. life is not about your devices. (unless it's your homelab.)
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Why would anyone spend the money to have this in the first place? It’s absolutely laughable.
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Need to be able to jailbreak these and put your own stuff on it.
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Like Doom.
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Never wanted one of these... now I want a fridge that runs Doom.
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This... Is acceptable.
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Long Live The White Box!
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waiting for the zero day fridge vulns... shouldn't be long now
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But no, someone thought it’d be cool to be able to surf the web on the fridge. Well, here you are.
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There's a slight chance that we'll see a
Sent from my fridge using Tapatalk
in the future
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Pihole I bet would prevent those ads. Or it would crash and stop cooling...
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"Dumb" is the new "smart".
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Fuck off with the fucking ad for pluribus. What the fuck.
It's a show. Now fuck off.
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No thanks. I wonder if the damn thing will have a hidden barcode reader.
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If they do tgat I will mod it.
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" finally"? How long you been wanting them?
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There’s an option in the settings app that allows you to turn ads off.
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Oh, how kind of Samsung. Pray they don't alter the deal further.
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For now
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Imagine that. You not only paid for the refrigerator, but also the electricity and the internet access. And it uses all of that stuff to display ads to you. You're literally paying for every ad it shows you.
That's exactly the thing that turned me off cable. I'm not interested in paying for a service that's going to pipe ads into my home. OTA TV, fine, I'm not paying for that. When I can pay for services that don't show me ads, why would I pay for one that does?
Don't worry, they are gradually taking that option away too.
Joke's on you: product placement in movies. The ads are already there.
Yeah, but you end up paying extra to not see ads, so… it’s the same thing either way.
If you paid me just 5 bucks a month I'd let them install that fridge in my house.
Yeah, I might accept that.
Actually, I could use a new fridge...
Ok, who wants to pay me a subscription fee to give me a fridge? Get in line, I'll only be accepting applicants today!
That's a good point actually. You can eliminate these ads by taking it off the Wi-Fi.
Why you'd connect it to the internet in the first place is a mystery to me
Now who's the patsie