So I'm out here like "Kamala Harris y'all" and then she goes ahead and posts some shit like this
So I'm out here like "Kamala Harris y'all" and then she goes ahead and posts some shit like this
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Jeez, democrats seem to really like Charlie Kirk and Dick Cheney.
I wonder why they're having trouble with Muslim voters...
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And Democratic voters
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Oh no they can just insult, scold, and abandon their voters and they will still come home. You don't understand, Democratic politicians are entitled to the votes of minorities.
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But, but, but ... no matter the politics of their candidate clicking their heels and saying the magic words "vote us to stop the other guy" has always worked as their main electoral strategy.
Obviously with such a magical and infallible electoral strategy, this election loss can only be explained by there being something wrong with the voters themselves as that strategy makes the quality and politics of the candidate be irrelevant!
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This x1000. Ain’t even gotta be Eid al-Adha, Muslims stay the scapegoats for Dems.
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She could've just not posted anything about his death
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Between her and Ezra Klein, I'm starting to think politicians and pundits who don't really stand for anything are afraid they'll be forgotten about if they don't chip in their two cents on anything and everything.
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Those two are just as dead to me as the dead villains they insisted on lionizing.
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Centrist Democrats seem to have a compulsive need to virtue signal at every opportunity. They don’t have good policy so they have to prove their moral superiority, which might have worked a decade ago, but just makes them look spineless now.
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Tbf she’s practicing what she preaches by saying something. Christian values would be to ‘love your neighbor and enemy’. Personally, I think she still truly believes in Biden’s of message bipartisanship being possible.
As a person, she showed dignity and respect for someone that held views that were quite different to her own. A leader tries to build bridges rather than more walls.
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That’s true but we have limits. Torture and War Criminal are over the line. Showing dignity and respect for Hitler should not be a tweet.
She would have saved us from chaos and violence though.
Those things are two different conversations.
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This isn't building bridges though. No Republican is going to be moved or softened by this statement. It's going to actively alienate the people who are supposed to like you though. The best move is to simply say nothing at all.
All this bullshit tells me is that those in power are still seeing this as nothing but business, like what we're going through is simply a contract negotiation. No hard feelings. That they can watch their colleagues cause the death and misery of thousands and then leave that at the door and go grab a drink with that person.
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What leadership role is she in right now? I thought she was on a book selling tour.
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Murder and war crimes are only "differences of opinion" among the worst criminals.
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Christians really love to preach how moral they are by praising pedophiles, racists and racists, don't they?
Fuck you respect and values. Respect is earned and values are knowing how to embrace the good and distancing yourself from the bad. Not your Hollywood version of it.
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All you had to do was say nothing, Kamala.
Why do liberals not realize that the right will NEVER vote for them no matter how much they pander, and everyone else hates them because they have no moral or ethical compass.
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Because they want bribes.
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Because liberals are right-wing.
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they are the right
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Allow me to modify an old saying:
If you can't say something nice about someone , without lying, then you shouldn't say anything at all.
You can't say anything nice about Dick Cheney without lying so just shut up.
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The nice thing is that he can't do any more harm now.
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So Abe Lincoln was going to put Simon Cameron in his cabinet. Cameron was kind of a piece of shit, and so Thaddeus Stevens when he heard this got alarmed. When questioned about if he was really saying that Cameron would steal, Thaddeus Stevens thought for a minute and said, well, "I don't think he would steal a red-hot stove."
So the story got around because it is funny. Abe Lincoln in particular thought it was one of the funniest things he ever heard (also while he made Cameron Secretary of War) and told many people. So eventually of course it got back to Cameron. Cameron was pissed, and angrily demanded that Stevens take back the slur on his character.
So Thaddeus Stevens after Cameron had yelled at him said, "Well, he is very mad, and he made me promise to retract. I will now do so. I believe I told you he would not steal a red-hot stove. I now take that back."
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Who says that's not her true opinion?
She did very openly get close to the Cheney familiy during her presidential campaign, so she might very well think that according to her own values he had done nothing wrong.
It seems to me that one of the core problems of the Democrat Party leadership which has led to their candidate being defeated once again by none other than Donald "Sex Offender" Trump, is exactly that their values are pretty much compatible with Cheney's.
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He was one of the few high-profile Republicans willing to stand by his condemnation of Trump after January 6th, even when the party came crawling back and that stance became a huge liability for him and his daughter. I can respect that.
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Not doing one out 1000 horrible things is not worthy of respect.
In fact, opposing it fits Cheney's character because his entire evil persona was based on getting everyone else to do his evil bidding within the working government. Someone trying to overthrow a system he manipulated was a personal attack by Trump. Cheney didn't oppose it out of his love for America or anything, he opposed it because it undermined his life's work and he took it personally.
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Yeah. And Hitler liked his dog. Definitely peoples-is-peoples kind of things but if i was a global political figure i might err on the side of quiet for some sentiments.
Trump’s gonna bite it one of these days and when he does, any self-conscious politician who hopes to win office with a progressive bent better watch their fuckin p’s and q’s.
Democrats are mostly reasonable, and responsible, but as in the last forty years, there’s an opportunity to destroy fascists (like Cheney) and the more they ignore it the more they lose. It’s a fine line, to be sure, between “responsible tomorrow / better jobs” and “BLOOOOOOOD!!!”. But they need to have thought that through again because their consultants are old and broken.
Justice and Politics need to sort their shit out yesterday.
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She's still playing that "let's meet in the middle" charade that didn't do shit for her during her campaign?
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A true believer
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Right when seeing a smashing victory by a progressive candidate too. Truly unaccountable
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If you're saying "Kamala Harris y'all" in 2025 and this response surprises you, then you need to seriously get your shit sorted out. She made it plain who she was last year. It's why she didn't get elected.
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Cool. Hows everything going.
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Pretty shit, could have been better if the democrats ran an electable candidate in a campaign that actually challenged the horrible status quo.
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Still using First Past The Post voting in a majority of states. Almost like the democrats and Republicans like the hostage situation they've created together.
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She made it plain who she was last year. It’s why she didn’t get elected.
Not really dude lol
I mean yes it's accurate that if she had been Bernie Sanders or said popular things she would probably have won. But also, the exclusive and passionate focus on how much the left was officially ordered to hate her for a variety of reasons, and not pay any attention to what an objective catastrophe Trump would be in such a huge variety of ways, is pretty fuckin' significant.
If your child decides to go high dive into an empty swimming pool instead of go to the museum, then sure, maybe the museum's not age appropriate or it features some colonialism. That could have made a difference. Yes. But, also, there are clearly more fundamental things that are wrong.
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the left was officially ordered to hate her
Who ordered that? How was that order communicated?
If the left is that easy to order around, why didn't the Democrats just order them to vote for her?
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More “blame progressives” BS.
If corpo dems spent a fraction of the energy they waste attacking progressives on fighting republicans instead we wouldn’t be in this situation.
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She has always been pretty shit. That much is indisputable.
Voting for her was still the correct thing to do (and what I did), because the degree of Trump's fascism and corruption is much greater and more dangerous.
But it's incredibly naive to think this behavior of hers is in any way new. It's exactly who she's always been.
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if she had ... said popular things she would probably have won
Yes the bar was fucking low and the dems still failed (generously assuming they wanted to win).
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If your child decides
How BlueMAGA Democrats see the people they want to vote for them.
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Go away Kamala
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I like your stuff
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Just so you know I didn't draw this, its a fairly popular meme image.
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It's fascinating to see her keep saying things that reveal the fatal flaw in her campaign. It's not that she listened to her advisors back then, although they did give her bad advice. Rather, she's lacking values that resonate with the majority of the American people. We all know that the old man was a terrible human being, and yeah, it is probably sad for his family that he passed away, but most of us would simply not say his name again. He earned no respect as a public figure, and we can treat ourselves with dignity by not bringing him up ever again.
Of course you also might want a trash talk him, because of all the horrible things he did, and that's okay too. I think either approach is fine, but the one approach that's not fine is whitewashing all the horrible things he did in his life.
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She was a fantastic choice when the choices were her and Trump. That time has passed, and with it her value as a lesser evil.
By more objective measures, she's just another sack of shit.
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Turns out the lesser evil was evil. Who woulda thunk.
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Correct. And lesser. Did your actions nudge the scale toward the lesser evil or the greater evil? Cuz if you had the opportunity to do the former and chose to do nothing over some ideal, your inaction supported the greater evil. Lots of people did just that, and the greater evil won.
We desperately need systemic change, but that's not going to happen with a ballot - best we can do there is damage control, so do damage control. Do other shit too, but understand that your vote is a dichotomy.
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She never was a fantastic choice, and the proof for that is that Trump is president. Had she been a fantastic choice, people would have voted for her. But sure, keep blaming all the voters for the Democrat inability to place someone remotely humane and electable instead of Ms. "We love Cheney and the US needs to have the most lethal armed forces in the world".
It's crazy to me that, after the resounding victory by a progressive that we've seen two days ago, you keep blaming the voters. As soon as someone remotely progressive appeared in an election, people went to vote for him in droves. Mamdani is a literal Muslim millennial, hardly the most appreciated demographic in the USA, and yet he smashed the opponents despite constant smear campaigns. Maybe there's a lesson or two you could learn from that?
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The blame for culpability in the Trump regime's rise to power falls onto many different people and groups that absolutely includes the voters.
She was a fantastic choice -and here's the important part- compared to Trump.
Without that contrast, she was shit. Our options were a spoonful of shit vs a mountain of shit. The DNC is responsible for running a spoonful of shit, but the voters are responsible for choosing the mountain.
Should the DNC run people who aren't shit? YES. Please, yes. But that's not what we got.
All the rights we've lost under Trump, the economic collapse he's causing, the deaths he enthusiastically did nothing to prevent in Ukraine/Gaza, the families that have been torn apart by ICE... the voters could have stopped that. The voters chose to let it happen.
Is there a lesson to be learned here? Yeah. Several. Will that lesson actually stick where we need it to (to the DNC)? Lol fuck no. The DNC won't learn shit until we break out the guillotines. But in the meantime, we the voters need to be more strategic with our resources, which includes decision making like deliberately stepping on a turd if that puts us on a path around the mountain of shit.
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How does this surprise you? Kamala is a Depublican. That is basically just a Republican that wears blue and has 1-2 liberal thoughts in their head.
Still big business, still preaches about "reaching across the table" (to give big biz a handy j).
Biden was just as bad if not worse ... that MFer had the house and senate 21-23. Where is Medicare for all? Federal minimum wage? Women's reproductive right protections? Oh ... well that is weird.
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Biden was just as bad if not worse … that MFer had the house and senate 21-23. Where is Medicare for all? Federal minimum wage? Women’s reproductive right protections?
Oh … well that is weird.Biden raised corporate tax by about a trillion dollars and spent it all on climate change and reducing income inequality by actually going to bat for the poorest people in this country, and y'all still spent all this time shitting on him. I get it. We needed a lot more. But this whole thing "Biden was a monster, I don't even know any good thing he did" is mostly just a creation of our media not really caring about poor people or vital issues (enough to see any of that as significant) any more than Trump does. He was way ahead of the curve in the blighted landscape of corruption and lies that is American governance.
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Biden threw a couple billion dollars of that climate change money to GM to develop an EV car, which anyone working in GM or even living in Michigan will tell you is not gonna happen lmao. All while banning foreign Chinese EVs from competing because of "safety" and "market protections".
Biden was a downgrade from Obama, and people already called Obama a coconut for his rather insane war crime history and ICE enforcement.
Stop glazing that geriatric fool's failure to permanently dispose of Trump. He cheated you all out of a fair primary and spent his time in office throwing pennies worth of improvements in the aftermath of Trump's first term.
Even ignoring Kamala's horrendous campaign, he is the primary reason why Trump is currently in office again.
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Green energy sure, but what are you referring to when you say reducing income inequality?
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He was the most vocal supporter of the state engaging in torture. Firstly it's an evil thing to do. But even if you don't care about that, as an American the 8th amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, this is why they had to do it outside US soil. And if you don't love America or the rule of law either, then you should know that the experts agree it doesn't fucking help. Torture doesn't get you good information, it can be used as a population control technique, but it's a risky one that can really backfire, ask Ghaddafi.
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Gaddafi got murdered because NATO promoted radical militias and bombed Libya, though.
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Yeah they were on a roll until the imperial brainwashing kicked in at the end.
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"It's one big club, and you ain't in it." - G. Carlin
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It's literally just a boiler plate acknowledging a current situation post.
Fucking hell you guys.
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Yes the current situation is fascists praising fascists.
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Aww dude.
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You act like she had to make a post honoring a war criminal.
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Reactivity and haphazard attribution has spread like an emotional contagion. It's understandable but certainly doesn't inspire much confidence in our ability to adapt to compounding crises.
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Just some boilerplate veneration of mass murdering war criminals
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I was always taught never to say anything about the dead unless it’s good. He’s dead. Good!
Moms Mabley
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She’s totally going to make another run at it. Still playing both sides.
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nah, she's done. any bluster from her henceforth is just gonna be promotion for her books and speeches.
i'm almost grateful that she ran in lieu of joe, because it finally exposed just how much of an empty shell the party has become.
you can't fight oligarchy if your dick is in the sauce.
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I can't wait to see her bomb out even harder than she did in 2020, when she dropped out without getting a single vote.
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Crazy how the actual leftists keep being right about everything
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And they wonder why they lost??
Praising a monster with this bullshit does not speak compassion, it speaks weakness.
It's funny how she unwittingly sealed her own fate, and she doesn't know it.
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Praising a monster with this bullshit does not speak compassion, it speaks weakness.
Weakness requires far too much benefit of the doubt. It's complicity.
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"Kamala Harris y'all"
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Polite words after someone kicks the bucket, whoever they may be, is politics, understandable.
That said, it does seem like she went out of her way to lay it on thick, didn't she? With a nasty synthetic aftertaste to it. She chose her words carefully and it looks like her kissing the boot of a fucking goddamned sick soulless monster.
Here's my obituary for cheney:
He shot a man in the face, then abused his tremendous privilege to avoid police questioning for 36 hours, after he'd had time to sober up, even as he got hundreds of thousands of people killed by kicking a hornet's nest in the Middle East, all for oil profit of his Halliburton and Clearwater buddies.Rest not, but wallow in shit and eternal damnation,
Dick "Why Don't You Go FUCK YOURSELF?!!" Cheney-
I think polite words are fine, but when she started praising him, that was simply inappropriate. Either she actually believes what she said or she was lying about the praise. Offering condolences to the family alone would have sufficed.
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She's basically an '80s republican so I'd say the praise was genuine. The fact that we were forced to choose between her and the orange fascist wasn't really a choice. It was literally the lesser of two evils and a lot of people decided not to choose because of it. Which is why we are here.
As much blane as republicans have for how fucked up things are right now, democrats share a good portion of the blame for shoving this tool down our throats.
And before you all start in with the "if only you had bothered to vote". I fucking did vote. It didn't end up mattering.
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Polite words after someone kicks the bucket, whoever they may be, is politics, understandable
What did US politicians say when Gaddafi was murdered? Honest question
Edit: I looked up what Obama had to say when Gaddafi was murdered:
"Today, the government of Libya announced the death of Muammar Qaddafi. This marks the end of a long and painful chapter for the people of Libya, who now have the opportunity to determine their own destiny in a new and democratic Libya.
For four decades, the Qaddafi regime ruled the Libyan people with an iron fist. Basic human rights were denied. Innocent civilians were detained, beaten and killed. And Libya’s wealth was squandered. The enormous potential of the Libyan people was held back, and terror was used as a political weapon"
Not so "just politics" back then huh?
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YIPPIE! WE DID MORE MURDER!
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Graham Platner said what Democrats should be saying- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/48HF6PyZaJM
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Yes! And this should be the top comment here!
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Kamala is and has always been a shit tier candidate.
Can we finally admit that her entire campaign amounted to gaslighting people into thinking she's remotely leftist?
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Can we stop pretending like racism didnt play a role in you guys rejecting her? Cause I remember everyone saying they would vote for any dem so long as it wasn’t Biden, so he steps down and they put in an educated black woman and you all trip over each other to excuse why you won’t vote for her, and why it’s better that white trump beat her.
The rest of the world sees the racist turn the American left took this election.
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Hillary won the popular vote. Obama won the presidency.
I'm sick of this "Kamala lost because of racism and sexism" argument. She lost because she was a shit candidate. If she was as "educated" as you think she is she wouldn't have capitulated to the right (who actually are racist, sexist and would never vote for her) and alienated her voters dipshit.
And before you say it, I begrudgingly voted for her because it was the only way to stop fascism. I wish others had too, but thinking it was because the left was "racist and sexist" is fucking delusional.
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Nah she just actually sucks big ass and is a fake leftist.
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Oh please, this is no different to saying all critism of Israel is antisemitism. Nobody believes you
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Sometimes, silence is best.
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Noooo but muh purity test! We need to take what we can get! The DNC should have banned Mamdani from running so that Kamala could run in New York instead and if you think that's a bad idea that's just because you let your delusional perfect fantasies be the enemy of
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it’s not a “purity test”.
i wish she wouldn’t have been cheated when she won the presidency, but she’s a terrible person and terrible representative.
Dick Cheney led us into a multi-year war in Iraq based entirely on lies and made millions of dollars from it… he’s responsible for thousands of murders, ruining millions of lives, and damaging billions of lives.
“muh purity test” it’s not… it’s the “don’t praise war criminals” test
…. or maybe YOU have the WMD’s in your backyard?
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I think that was well crafted.
- No mention of "good" or any other positive in connection with his work.
- mentioned dedication to his work, which is the minimum you can say without insults
- "thoughts" without the "prayers", that is a really nice slapp :D
I'm sure there is more in there that i missed, but this is basically a "good riddance, finally" in terms that can be understood as polite.
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I love how weak Americans are that ya’ll think this is some kind of secretly scathing message. Land of the brave but they can’t just fuckin’ say anything outloud out of an intense fear of not being “proper”.
Land of the cowards, more like.
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Nah bro she's playing 2D chess. You wouldn't understand how deep she is bro.
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F*k that bo, are you from the contry where you can say niple or something without thinking of the chil*ren? /s
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BlueAnon shit.
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It was carefully chosen, sure. I think what people are reacting to is the fact that respectability in American politics might have run out of runway at this point.
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He wasn't "dedicated to the country he loved" or any of that bullshit though! He was a self serving psychopath that did immeasurable damage for his own personal self enrichment.
that is a really nice slapp :D
Please tell me this is a bit, and you didn't sincerely post the most cringe thing I have ever seen in my life.
but this is basically a “good riddance, finally” in terms that can be understood as polite.
This is pure, wholly detached from reality, wish fulfillment cope.
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It is somewhat well put together, but the fact that it was said at all makes it seem that she hasn't quite lost the desire to connect with conservatives rather than those who support her own party.
She had so much potential, if only she had focused on progressive values and the people that would have been energized by hearing her promote them.
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I honestly hadn't thought of it this way, I think you're right. But it's a little oblique when silence is a perfectly valid option.
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No they fucking aren't! This isn't some qanon style coded secret message! Have liberals completely lost your minds?
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Spot on.
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Just go back to the wine, Kamala, no one cares.
Or uh, I dunno, prosecute some criminal ICE agents or something?
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That's standard politician that is.
Something in the world happens that does not involve them, or in any way require a comment from them.
Them: "oh I got to make a non statement about this".
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Wish we could have someone who's real.
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No one is real unless they're so incredibly impulsive that they're in jail.
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This is why even democrats didn't want to vote for you Kamla, you need to do better than just being a corporate phony
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GameWar criminal recognizegamewar criminal. -
He and his daughter put their necks on the line to support her. So I can only expect something like this.
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This is what trying to meet in the middle with people who will never, ever vote for you looks like: you just alienate people who would normally vote for you by sounding like a freaking moron space alien.
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Politicians need to learn to not comment.
Kamala wasn't involved in national politics at the same time as cheney. When cheney was last in office, Kamala was the district attorney of SF, an local office that only deals with the laws of California. No plausible working relationship between the two. They were not even interacting with the same laws. They worked in entirely different levels of government. There is no need for any statement.
Regardless of politics, any statement like this will sound disingenuous. If she knows Lynne, Liz, Mary, and the entire family well enough to have them in her thoughts, she could tell them directly. Calling someone to wish them the best in a hard time is a commendable act. Making a public statement telling other people that you care about someone else is just weird.
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Man, it's almost like Kamala is fake as hell. Craaaazy.
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My point was about politicians generally, but using Kamala as an example. Many do this and its a bad idea every time.
I have no opinion on her. Its irrelevant, its not like she holds any elected office.
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This is exactly right.
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dint kamala freaked out when her book signing dint go well recently.
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couldve won if you wernt shilling for israel and OLD-GUARD REPUBLICANS. albiet, thier was significant voter machine riggins.
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"Why don't we win?? We're not celebrating ruthless, vile, racists human beings like the other party"
Narrator: But alas, they were. It's still a mystery why progressive people despise them so much, they choose to not to vote.
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You think its an own blaming progressives for the loss? No progressives are struggling to find reasons to vote dems in that elections.
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Liberalism supports the empire and all of its crimes abroad. What did you really expect?
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Ding dong the bastard is dead. He is probably responsible for more innocents dead than anyone else who has died this year.
The fact that we have to play nice when AOTUS is wiping his ass with the constitution and othering Americans for funsies is pretty ridiculous.
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Stuff like this reminds me why they lose to fascists. When they like to say the proto-fascists are practicing politics correctly it really waters down their message and what is at stake.
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Not surprising, her campaign was awful and as soon as she lost she was nowhere to be seen.
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Sometimes less is more.
I've learned of the passing of former Vice President Dick Cheney.
Vice President Cheney was a public servant, from the halls of Congress to many positions of leadership in multiple presidential administrations.
Doug and I are keeping Lynne, their daughters Liz and Mary, and the entire Cheney family in our thoughts during this time.
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I'm more than okay with well wishes to his family but the dude was a demon and I'm glad he's dead
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Yeah, we're definitely better off with her not being president. Much happier with what we got instead.
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All “damage control” ever did for US progressives was embolden people like Harris. Yea, since they put off standing up for themselves for so fuckin’ long this is the kinda shit that has to be dealt with but with all the people seemingly ok with the need for a civil uprising, possibly even a civil war, to fix things I mean really this could be worse.
The next time an election comes around, whenever that is, we’ll all get to see if ya’ll really mean it or if giving up on the whole country is really gunna be the right call.
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At least no one had a chance to vote for a viable anti-genocide candidate.
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I wish AIPAC gave me millions of dollars to betray democracy.
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Well at the very least, she lost the presidency and will probably never win it.
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Ok, it's not polite to pull a Donald (he would 100% write posts filled with joy if Biden dies before him), but silence it's an option...
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You cant condemn a war criminal without implicating the last 20 years of US foreign intervention he started.
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Meh, boiler plate "Thoughts and Prayers". It's as meaningless as a campaign promise.
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Just boilerplate war criminal glazing
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...and she's going to try to run in 28?
She'll have better chances running as a republican at this point.
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This shit is how she lost to the fascist orangutan.
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She'd already clinched her loss before she started chumming up to Cheneys, I think.
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Nah, her campaign page was amazing: tax the rich, expand healthcare, promote overturning citizens united, bodily autonomy, the works.
She lost because nobody believed a single word of it when she hung out with the worst campaign team imaginable for those stances, participating in advertisements with fucking eagles and open prairies.
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Another removed that only got my vote because of the shit sandwich we had to eat.
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It's called tact. Adults generally have it.
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Cheney doesn't deserve tact. All he deserves is a piss-soaked grave.
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"You just don't accuse a PASTOR of SEX ABUSE Jesus Christ Marissa I better never hear of this again, I mean EVER."
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People can say literally nothing.
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No one gives a shit what Harris has to say on the matter. She lost and then fucking bounced to go sign a book deal because she doesn’t actually give a fuck. But she does love hanging out with Liz Cheney so there’s always that.
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Hey, I don't know that I care that Miss Newly Irrelevant Politician Lady is posting a politically motivated condolences post and I know we'd be better off if she had won. But Dick Cheney was an aggressively evil piece of shit and doesn't deserve tact.
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Adults generally don't consider glazing monstrously evil war criminals to be tactful.
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Short term, yeah, we're a lot better off. However, there's no way we get the progressive wave we got along with the strong potential to more than flip both the house and senate without all this pain first.
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Soulless person.
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Cheney was an absolute cunt, but he had one saving grace: he supported gay marriage.
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Only because his daughter was gay. And don't forget that the GOP went off for weeks on John Kerry for mentioning this because how dare he talk about a personal family matter.
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What the actual fuck.
Fucking disgraceful.
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Both sides.
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Sounds good. I just edited to add a link to the source.
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Sometimes people feel a emotional attachment to the people they worked close with 😉.
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Sometimes people feel a emotional attachment to the people they worked close with
According to Google, "Kamala Harris and Dick Cheney never worked together in the same administration or government body. Their careers in public service largely occurred in different eras and levels of government."
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You mean the AI Google uses so you don't have to do any work reading the sources?
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Harris and Cheney worked in different levels of government? Pretty sure they held the exact same position.
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Lol what.
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This is totally in line with her courting Liz Cheney while torpedoing her presidential campaign.
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It's litteral political madness.
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Always has been.
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Boo
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As someone who has no stakes in this, is this what people meant when they described her as "Obama 2.0"?
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I've never heard her called that tbh. Obama was actually a pretty good politician who got the public to believe things could actually change for the better. They didn't and he didn't actually do that but he made people believe in it in a way Harris never did.
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She accepted his endorsement. She made it clear who she was.
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They. Are. All. The. Same.
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Its just a formulaic posting to display knowledge of the death, not that she feels that way. Its what politicians do
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It's what shitty politicians do.
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You are lying. Obama on Gaddafi's murder:
"Today, the government of Libya announced the death of Muammar Qaddafi. This marks the end of a long and painful chapter for the people of Libya, who now have the opportunity to determine their own destiny in a new and democratic Libya.
For four decades, the Qaddafi regime ruled the Libyan people with an iron fist. Basic human rights were denied. Innocent civilians were detained, beaten and killed. And Libya’s wealth was squandered. The enormous potential of the Libyan people was held back, and terror was used as a political weapon."
Kamala is not being formulaic, it's a willful endorsement of the war criminal that Cheney was.
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If it's true, it shows how shallow and meaningless her words are.
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It is not it formualic. It is a total support for his family which she has personal relationship with.
The fact she mentioned his family by name indicates that.
It seems she is part of the Clinton group and that's the group who pushed her up the ladder so it is not surprising.
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Ya a big + to the Trump admin is him rounding up all the old guard federal dems and tossing them in prison. What they get for co-opting the left in Hamburgerland.
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A lot of Dick worshiping from US politicians right now
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This is the respectful way to honor someone's passing.
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It's disrespectful to "honor" the passing of a murderous torturing thief.
It's disrepectful to the memory of the million+ iraqis civilians he killed for no reason, the innocents tortured under his direction, and the victims of his many financial crimes at home and abroad.
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When s major political person dies lots of people feel lost and look for someone new to look to. This is just an attempt to scoop up lost souls.
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People were looking to Cheney? And we want to cater to these people?
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If you hadn't noticed, yankistanis love their war criminals. They even have laws to defend them.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law
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More than enough sadly, as evident by his stellar political career. We don't cater to people, every politicians jobb is to cater to as many of the people as possible. They have votes. DoiI take your meaning correctly that we should ignore political minorities (which they are not) because you deem them worthless (which their votes certainly are not)? I always thought that's more of a fascist view of things. :p
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I remember when sending condolences when one of your political opponents died was viewed as graceful and even expected. Now it’s a weakness? Or is it that the black woman needs to be criticized for everything she does?
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I remember when HL Mencken wrote an obituary for William Jennings Bryan that was so scathing in its honesty that it's still talked about a hundred years later. Interestingly enough that was during a time when politics was doing the kind of great revolutionary things that American government was actually supposed to be doing, which it currently is not.
Telling the truth about matters of public importance even when it hurts somebody's feelings used to be a core value in this country. I get that she's friendly with the family. If she wanted to just say some brief words of condolence it's fine. But taking extra time to shine him up and pretend his time entrusted with the power generated by the people was spent on anything other than killing motherfuckers and stealing money is a massive disservice to this country.
When you're entrusted with that public sword, you're supposed to do something good with it. Pretty much everyone who voted for Kamala knows Cheney was one of the chief villains of the modern era, and doesn't mind saying so, and is going to think it's bizarre and crooked that she's out here lying about his record to try to pretend he was a decent person.
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It's the latter. People needed another reason to hate her and blame her for everything.
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Yes, obviously the reason that I disapprove of her sending condolences about the man behind torturing Iraqis and Afghans is because I'm just a huge racist. You might think that standing up for the rights of those people would be a sign of anti-racism, but that's just ridiculous. Obviously, everyone knows those people are subhuman and beneath consideration, so the only reason anyone would pretend to care about them is because they're desperate to find something to attack a black woman politician with. It's the same way nobody would actually consider the lives of Palestinians to be worth anything, it was just an opportunistic way to criticize her. /s
I guess that all makes sense from your extremely racist, twisted perspective that regards Iraqis, Afghans, and Palestinians as subhuman. Some of us though have this wild and crazy idea that black lives still matter even when they're from another country.
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Could be lip service; like a superficial gesture to retain some basic standing in the political sphere. Idk why this should be a big deal to anyone.
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Because it's an affront to basic human decency. The man was pure evil and deserves either no comment or outright scorn.
Imagine the optics if it was Hitler, you can see how such a comment would not be a good move - yes?
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I guarantee you, you do not need to glaze Dick fucking Cheney to "retain some basic standing in the political sphere".
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What the hell is wrong with sending condolences to a colleagues family? Looks like the bots won if people are posting heinous bullshit like this and getting all stirred up. Well done little bots!
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"I am saddened to learn of the passing of former fuhrer Adolph Hitler.
Herr Hitler was a devoted public servant, from the halls of the Reichstag to many positions of leadership in many countries across Europe. His passing marks the loss of a figure who, with a strong sense of dedication, gave so much of his life to the country that he loved."
But yeah I guess you're right, there's nothing wrong with sending condolences to a colleague's family, the thing that's wrong is that she considered Cheney a colleague in the first place.
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Seriously! Who the hell is colleagues with war criminals?
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Everyone who disagrees with me is bots. Killing thousands of Iraqis is excusable because they’re not people
Weird thing for you to post verbatim but at least you’re honest
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When Jean-Marie Le Pen, founder of the French Nazi party, died, the presidency made a press release which was essentially "condolences to the family, history will be his only judge". No need to praise him.
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She showed class?
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Praising war criminals is the opposite of class
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I prefer her compassion for a political rival to this shit:
“Not a smart person, but a somewhat vicious person, I will say. If you feel sorry for him, don't feel so sorry, because he's vicious."
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I mean....the second is more truthful. I don't think having compassion for a horrible person is a good thing. The guy is largely responsible for the deaths of over a million people.
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I’m probably the minority here, but I appreciate the decorum. It lowers the temperature of the conversation without outright endorsing what he did.
For me, the time to be angry was when it was happening.
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Decorum is a massive understatement. Democrats have a civility fetish. During a fascist descent, decorum and civility do nothing other than preserving the status quo. They are obsessed with procedure and elevate it almost to a godlike status. It's also why theyve been losing so hard in recent years. Republicans have no problem employing rhetoric and breaking procedure. Democrats are consistently bringing knives to gun fights.
During a fascist descent, civility = disarmament.
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Democrats are consistently bringing knives to gun fights.
Democrats are consistently bringing tea and cupcakes to gun fights.
Pritzger and Mamdani are winning with the public, and hopefully more candidates will see and follow in their footsteps. They are at least bringing knives and planning to do their level best. But how Chuck Schumer saw Pelosi's husband get his skull fractured with a hammer and still came out saying "I think we can work out a compromise for the good of the country" and similar bullshit is baffling to me.
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She could have expressed sympathy for the family without whitewashing his 'accomplishments'.
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Liz also campaigned on Harris’ behalf. It is possible they ate cordial and this is just her saying something nice about a friend’s dad after he passed.
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I forgot about that. Good point.
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Yeah, I get that. But at the same time, the whole reason I actually kind of like Liz Cheney is that as far as I can tell she has some integrity unlike her father.
She surely knows her dad's a piece of shit. It's almost more cruel to his memory to specifically call attention to everything he did in public political life so that people can laugh at you for lying about it in this over-the-top way. Just say he will be missed and your thoughts are with his family and move the fuck on.
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without outright endorsing what he did
Kamala saying that he was a great public servant is a spit in the face to the millions of people whose lives were lost and ruined by Dick Cheney's ghoulish and murderous legacy. No civility with war criminals.
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It should be normal to pay tribute to the dead, even if you didn’t agree with them when they were alive. If we stop doing that, we all lose.
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This would make a lot of sense if said person you didn't agree with was at least respectable in any sense of the word.
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Loose the noose maybe
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This is a wild thread. Kamala understands decorum and professionalism.
Politics without is just a fuckin' schoolyard fistfight, and we've had too much of that.
Democracy is about being able to have differences in opinion but still be neighbors.
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The professional and appropriate response was to say nothing, not blow smoke up people's ass.
Harris is just part of the same political machine as all the other old men.
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We are in a fist fight and Democrats want to get our faces kicked in with decorum and professionalism.
War crimes and murder are business as usual in the US. The sad thing is that he died without seeing the inside of a cell.
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Politics without is just a fuckin’ schoolyard fistfight, and we’ve had too much of that.
No, we haven't actually. What we've had too much of is the bullies pushing around the brown kid because he looks different (which in this analogy of course refers to the mass slaughter of civilians), with one of the two bullies occasionally showing some sign of reluctance or concern that they might get in trouble for it, and then caving and appeasing the other bully when they make fun of them for it.
What "fistfights" are you even talking about? When have the democrats ever actually (metaphorically) thrown hands, or not bent over backwards to appease the republicans, even to the point of going after minorities? The shutdown is the first time I can remember in the past 20 years that they actually showed an ounce of spine.
I would love to start seeing some political fistfights instead of having this "harmony" or "cooperation" between the two bullies.
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I don’t want to be neighbors with war criminals. The reason we are where we are today is because of collaborators like Harris white-washing the crimes of terrorists like Cheney.
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all she had to say was "condolences to the family"... instead of lifting him up like he was some sort of good thing for society. He was a war criminal. Should've been tried in The Hague and should've rotted in jail.
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Democracy is about being able to have differences in opinion but still be neighbors.
Most privileged lib take.
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Hmm yes. Would you like me to post what she said when Sinwar died?
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Weird you get downvoted. All the negative commentators here are part of the problem.
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Trump is sending minorities to concentration camps, but Harris is also giving an eulogy for a warmonger so both sides are the same really.
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Dick Chaney is one of the biggest war criminals of all time who is directly responsible for killing literally millions of people. This is the same thing. They both represent a class of people who are united against all of us.
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It wouldn't have changed my argument if she had given to Adolf Hitler himself. The purpose of this post is to justify the decision to not vote for Harris. That decision was pure virtue signaling, and this eulogy is also virtue signaling - although in a very different direction. I deem virtue signalling less important than tangible acts of evil inflicted on people who have to live in this world.
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That’s some lib shit right there: The man who illegally started a war, lied to congress to start another war, instituted a mass civilian bombing campaign, tortured innocents, and who left entire countries strewn with toxic waste, unexploded ordnance, and depleted uranium that will cause illness, birth defects, and death for centuries to come is a “warmonger.” You people’s attempt to rehabilitate the Bush criminals is disgusting.
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Yes both are garbage people. It's not that complicated.
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Biden and Harris both looked over concentration camps in the US, they are not new under Trump. They're called Supermax prisons and it contains 25% of all the incarcerated people on earth in a country that only has around 4% of the total world population. That means 1 out of 23 people in the world are American but 1 out of 4 prisoners in the world are in America. All of Trumps policies are direct continuations of the policies of the people who came before including Biden/Harris and Bush/Chaney but you don't care about anything in the world and you allowed these people to run wild so long you only noticed when you got a Trump because it came home to roost. Read Fanon.
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Harris literally also sent minorites to concentration camps
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The American left just wants to eat trump shit by the look of it. All you guys do is tear down everyone who opposes trump. wtf would anyone want to run?
The rest of the world thinks you guys are a bunch of babies
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Mamdani literally just got elected, what the hell are you talking about? There were no "American leftists" sabotaging Mamdani the way you claim they did to Kamala. Maybe, just maybe, when you run a humane, electable and progressive candidate, you win elections? Maybe running ghoul after ghoul and war criminal after war criminal as an alternative to Trump isn't the best strategy?
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The election was a year ago champ, Harris lost
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Politics are just a different version of adult highschool drama... It's so fucking aggravating.
There's no win.
She say nothing/something muted: She's so disrespectful! She couldn't even muster up one nice thing to say about a public servant!
She says something: She's so disgusting! He was a war criminal and an absolute piece of shit cancer on society. (facts.)
Obviously it's not the same person saying both these things, but a potential support loss is always a calculation you need to have when saying literally anything.
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I haven't heard any comment from Bernie Sanders or Zohran Mamdani, and AFAIK nobody's called them out on it.
I'm taking her at her word. I believe this is an honest expression of how she feels.
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Chat, is it fascism to be able to set your hate aside and send condolenses when someone dies?
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Yes
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When you start praising the war criminal, yes.
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If that person is a fascist, then yes. And Cheney was a fucking fascist.
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Would you like me to post what she said when Sinwar died?
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Why do you even care? It's a very impersonal general statement of condolence.
This isn't Kamala suckin' a dead guy's dick, it's just a general "Hey, you know, whatever's he's dead", shut the fuck up"
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Without the middle paragraph, it would have been that yes. Going out of her way to pretend he was anything other than a horrifying monster responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands could have been omitted, for someone who's trying to market herself as having any level of integrity or representing the judgement of the people.
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It is really dick sucking him tho. Calling that pice of shit a devoted public servant after he was instrumental in getting us into a war that was only as popular as it was because they took advantage of the nationalistic xenophobia to let W wage daddy's war again for him, and that's not even getting into the atrocities that were committed both at home and abroad under his direct leadership, and not even mentioning ANY of that might as well be sucking him off.
I can understand "don't speak ill of the dead', but these fuckers should also understand "don't speak of a war criminal on glowing terms". It's a bad look and it's one of the many reasons yet another milquetoast democratic lost the against the worst politician in modern history.
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No matter what you think of Kamala, this kind of adult behavior is to be encouraged -- no, demanded -- of the political class
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NO. She should have said nothing at all instead of praising him.
Politicians should generally avoid gravedancing, sure, but not this bullshit.
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“Sorry for your loss” and maybe “vice presidents, huh? Yeah.”
that’s it
She went way too far there.
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said nothing at all instead of praising him
She praised what was praise-worthy: public service generally
This is how you focus on shared humanity, foster inclusiveness, and turn down the partisan tribalism
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this is litterally a sociopathic sentiment
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We are done playing that shit. They say whatever shit they want, so we are saying the shit we want. She didn't say what we all really think.
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No. TrackinDaKraken said it best, the first and last paragraphs were fine. The middle one is where she sells out her integrity to tell comforting lies about horrifying crimes, even though everyone can see through them instantly, right at the moment in American politics where the exact polar opposite of that is what's needed. That's not being an adult, that's being an asshole.
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The time for "adult" behavior has long passed.
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Yeah, but we need to be clear, what's being advocated for by the commenter, and being demonstrated by Harris: it's not adult behavior, it's sociopathic behavior.
Cheney was a mass murderer for personal gain. In some ways, you could consider them worse then other mass murderers, whom at least had some misguided sense of idealism guiding them. A million people died and a trillion dollars in US debt were created, in large part by Cheney, purely for personal greed. Not even greed on behalf of a people or nation. just for himself.
It's sociopathic to engage in the act of redemption for a person like Cheney, and it's sociopathic to advocate for it. It's not "adult behavior", it's mental illness.
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Hagiography of a war criminal is only "adult" behavior to people who want to cast as childish anyone who disagrees with said hagiography, and your comment has no other purpose.
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This is absolutely ridiculous. Dick Cheney was a literal war criminal and responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands if not millions of humans. This is a moment to reflect on the murderous nature of the USA empire and to never make the mistake of letting US politicians do similar shit ever again.
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Actually, we should not "demand" our political class lionize monstrous war criminals
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She could have left out the middle paragraph, and this still would have been a mature, reasonable response without the praise.
Yeah. "We're sorry for his family that he's dead, regardless of who he was as a person, that's gotta suck for them." Totally fine.
"And here this embodiment of literally everything wrong with America, directly responsible for the deaths of thousands, instrumental in weakening the norms of integrity and public interest for his own financial gain and helping in some small way to lay the foundation for our current debacle, a punchline of corruption and slaughter, infamous in the news and reviled in public life, he's got my vote though! You see I am not willing to deal in uncomfortable truths even when the public can see them unanimously" could have been omitted.
Yeah if he loved America he wouldn't've violated one of its founding tenants across the globe
Hmm, yes, interesting. Shall I post what Harris said when Sinwa was killed?
To be fair, her wording is written very politically. You could say it of pretty much any top political figure -- good or bad -- and have it be true
Cheney caused a lot of death and suffering. Sometimes it was through his actions as a leader, other times his incompetence with a gun. He was dedicated though, spent much of his life in politics
He was dedicated to personal power and enrichment