ICE shoots paintball gun at face of protester point blank to surpress protests against killing of female protester
ICE shoots paintball gun at face of protester point blank to surpress protests against killing of female protester
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Protestors need to start arming themselves.
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I am telling this for months. A couple of months ago I was downvoted to abyss because “no we need to be peaceful because that’s how you solve problems”. No fucker. Do you think all people in Germany between 1935-1945 were silent? Protesters were killed en masse and literally nothing changed.
Learn from the past. Arm yourself. You outnumber them easily. They will stop shooting at you, when they look into 100 armed people.
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Good luck arming yourself against a trillion dollar worth army
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Weird, cause I only see three guys in this video.
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I mean, the Vietnamese and the Iranians, and the Iraqi, and the Afghani, have managed pretty well for all those billions. You know the Pentagon also can't even pass a simple audit? We might be good, depending on how many $25k paper shredders the geniuses have been convinced to buy by their totally honest and not greedy contractors.
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That's what Trump wants, so he can declare martial law and cancel the midterms.
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So he going to do the things he's already doing and that he's already going to do... he's only going to do those things if we try to actually stop him from doing thise things... so what we should actually do is submit like cowards, and that will... stop him from doing the things he's already doing, and is already going to do.
... Got it.
Brilliant strategy.
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Absolutely not. That's what he's hoping will happen.
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They’re going to keep killing peoples regardless.
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When is the tipping point though? They can do whatever they want as law does not matter for them anymore but the protesters should stay peaceful.
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That's what he's hoping will happen.
What are they going to do differently? Start shooting armed civilians instead of shooting unarmed civilians?
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At which point you now give them free rein to just switch to auto and hose down the crowd.
Welcome to the joys of protesting. Unless you are going geared up for a riot, all protests are inherently "peaceful protests" where you are standing with your hands tied behind your back waiting for the blow. Because if you fight back any more than what is socially acceptable (often times pushing against riot shields), you will die. And so will everyone around you. And the people down the street. And that couple who were unfortunate enough to live above the bodega on 5th street.
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That is by definition not a protest.
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Maybe they should try an insurrection, doesn't seem to be any crime against that, just white house tours.
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Not just a paintball. A pepper spray round.
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Damn that had to have hurt like hell. He just walked it off like a champ.
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Could have easily lost an eye or been killed.
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All these masked up garbage humans were all whining like toddlers about masking up during covid.
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Kill agents on sight
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We should make KAOS a thing.
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Well, what are you waiting for?
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I've got my plans, which are non-violent but disruptive. If I were in the position of the people in these videos and had a gun, I cannot say that I would walk away peacefully or alive.
I currently don't have a gun, so that stops me from committing violence to protect my community, but the times of peaceful opposition are winding thin.
I will watch carefully the legal prosecution, or not, of this ICE agent, and what you post online to poke and prod will have no bearing on that outcome or the decision I make at those times, so shut the fuck up.
What are you doing?
Edit - And that's the thing isn't it? I'm supporting non-violent, disruptive behavior, and the administration and ICE are now clearly communicating that activity as a capital offense deserving of murder. You're on that side? Miss me with that shit.
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Wishing for someones death is horrible. You can do better.
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All fascists need to either stop being fascists or die. There is no middle ground with ideology that at the core seeks to exterminate entire groups of people. You aren't born as a fascist, it's an ideology you choose to support; these people are evil. If they won't stop being evil, there is no other options than them being killed. It's either them or an unimaginable number of people as their victims. There is no moral high ground here
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With that logic we should be much more aware of the life of animals we kill on an industrial scale similar as the Holocaust. Just because of the taste (we do not need animal based nutrition).
I'd argue the life of a peaceful cow is worth more than that of a hateful Nazi that wants people of certain mindset or skin-color dead or detained.
So why should we care more about the life of nazis that want to make life for everyone (but Nazis) worse (also considering e.g. Climate-Change). We already have too many people, we don't need scum around...
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Every ice agent should be a dead ice agent.
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Wishing for someones death is horrible. You can do better.
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If they haven't resigned at this point...
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Nah. Go fuck yourself. Every ice agent should be hunted.
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Where is your second amendment Americans, you are all cowards for allowing this to continue
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Saw this posted somewhere. Not my words, but I and many Americans I know agree with this:
"To everyone outside the US who's angry at Americans right now, especially those of us who hate Trump and feel trapped: Please understand this. We do not elect our president the way you think we do. Millions of us voted against him. Millions of us are terrified of the damage being done. We are not cheering this on. We are living inside it. If you're wondering why we don't just "revolt like the French" or "fix it" here is the reality of being an American right now:
Our system is rigid, slow, and stacked in ways that make "just revolt" a fantasy. We don't have a culture where mass strikes shut the country down overnight. We don't have a centralized government you can pressure in one city. We have fifty states, militarized policing, surveillance, debt, and jobs tied to health insurance. For many people, losing a job for protesting means losing healthcare and housing.
France is smaller than Texas. Organizing a "national" revolt across 3.8 million square miles (9.8 million square km) and 330 million people isn't just difficult, it's logistically close to impossible. That doesn't mean we're complacent. It means we're constrained. Anger at US power is fair. Fear of US decisions is fair. But blaming every American, especially those who are fighting, exhausted, and scared alongside you, misses the mark.
We're not watching this from the sidelines. We're stuck in the same burning house. Just closer to the fire."
Edit: I believe credit goes to Jason Gervase, ASL Pinnacle
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Basically you say you are fucked and your hands are tied. The pedo-president and his folks can do whatever they want now. Thanks, that's nice.
But either way, in my opinion the anger is still justified. You could and should have fought more before the elections to try and convince Trump voters to not vote for him.
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This was not a coup. Trump won the majority of the popular vote. On top of that, millions and millions of Americans chose not to vote because they felt like letting Trump win was preferable to voting for an uninspiring candidate. The vast majority of Americans actively contributed to this happening, one way or another.
I am sad for the few true victims, those that actively and passionately campaigned against this and tried to open other people's eyes to the reality of the situation. But I also completely understand the generalised resentment towards America and Americans that many in the rest of the world are feeling.
Remember, you might feel like you're trapped in a burning house. We feel like we are trapped in an apartment building with our hands tied, forced to watch powerlessly as our bottom floor neighbour allows their maladapted child to set fire to their apartment and drag our entire building into hell while we can do nothing about it.
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If you don’t save your democracy/country soon it’s only going to get worse/harder to do so
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But you have to understand, that while there is millions of good Russians, they still face the same general hate towards their country as long as they are a fucking threat to our lives. It means so little, when we have no idea who to trust. It's not like all russians who supports putin, is wearing red hats Saying maga, so we can filter the bad ones from the good ones. All good People faces the same consequences, that was chosen by the majority. As long as you Guys votes "America first" we vote "America Last".
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Its sad. Our reality version of Cyberpunk 2077. Get people dependent on the system and fuck them over and over again.
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Yet Trump won the "popular" vote. I don't want to condone those who did vote against Trump. But damn... the popular vote... that really made me loose trust in the majority of the US population. To me it only makes sense if > 1/2 of the US population is seriously mentally ill (which it likely is). Otherwise it's purely contradictionary to vote against your own interests (or let others decide in case of not voting).
Nah sorry about the few who are doing something and voted for the Dems. But not sorry for the rest of the population, they really dragged the reputation of the US into the deepest of sloppy slime (or something along these lines). And likely caused global instability (especially for the "west").
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All I see here are excuses... excuses to justify inaction
The world has seen Murica decent into fascism for at least 15 years (as in CLEARLY FALLING)... sure it's hard now but your own apathy and "fuck you got mine" attitude brought you here, there are no easy answers and you will NOT get out of this by waiting it out
While you do fuck all, the rest of the world suffers real pain... you think your ICE thugs are bad? (and yes, they are) what about the thousands your country kills around the world for sport?
So Muricans, fuck you, cry me a river and get to the fucking streets to stop the complete holy fucking mess YOU created
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I don't own a gun, it's not required. If I did, I wouldn't run out in the street and just start shooting people because that's fucking insane.
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I love Lemmy because of the way people of voting on comments on this thread. People are sharing their true feelings instead of the brainwashed safe for Reddit opinions that people have been conditioned to share online.
G g g guys.... Don't fight back, that's what he wants. Just get a shovel and dig a hole in your backyard and bury yourself in it. It's the only way to stop the violence...
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They're now working for ICE
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Where are you from?
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Im one of this continents original occupants
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Standing within the same level as everyone else, hands up and flat in defensive posture, treated as an aggressor. Fuck this shit, I dont care if the guy (ice) was "scared" or whatever lie he tries to use to justify his actions. Fuck these people and fuck any authority given to them.
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ICE has been overrun with psychopaths.
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You need that in your résumé to be hired.
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it's all been psychos since it was founded in 2002. it has gotten worse though now that all pretense that they do anything worthwhile or useful has been eroded
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Make sure to protest with cones and bottles of water to put out incendiaries. Keep masks and eye protection handy for protecting yourself from paintball strikes like this asshat.
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I'd like to add to this:
Ski masks work better than cheap protective goggles because they're sealed. You can find them for cheap at the thrift store.
Umbrellas are nice for non-agressive protection. Don't put baking soda in the eye wash, even though some people suggest it.
Also, it seems like people like K95 over the N95 because it loops around your ears instead of using a headband that's more likely to slip. Make sure you bring back ups.
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Bring ballistic goggles to protests. They are not fucking around. Neither should you
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I think this was a spur of the moment the neighborhood coming out to protest. But for future ones yeah, eye protection, breathing protection, pads.
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Id advise everyone to get a pair of ballistic goggles whether they plan to protest or not. Just be prepared. These idiots will start blinding people without realizing or caring.
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Widespread Protests in major cities against the unpopular and authoritarian
IranianAmerican regime.
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I've seen a lot of US lemmynauts being clueless about what to do to improve things and fight against the political situation. I understand that it doesn't come naturally if it's not in your culture so I've written the following. Feel free to suggest better ideas, alternatives and so on:
Here's what I'd do:
- Join a union
- Join a political party or an organization that is not one of the sellouts
- Join any canal you can find that informs about protests, strikes and other actions
- Educate yourself on the actual methods of protesting, what works or doesn't work, what you should do or not
- Organize these infos if needed and share them around
- Equip yourself, take a dumb phone, take liquid eye cleaners droplets (no idea how it's called in english), take something to cover your nose and mouth against tear gas, take some kind of eye protection
- Learn your rights, what to do and learn a specific lawyer phone number (by heart) in case of arrest
- Relay those links, organizations and everything around yourself
- If it's available to you and in line with your ethics, arm yourself before they confiscate weapons to politically awake citizens - and of course, start training yourself
This above is the easy part you can do from your couch. Then:
- Follow and participate to your union/party/organization events/meet-ups/flyer distribution/cybermilitantism/..., try to help them in the ways you can. You have a car? Offer to bring food to the meet-ups. You're following the news 24/7? Offer to set up a RSS feed or some kind of news aggregator with what's important in your area and all the shit that's happening. You're good with computers? Help those that want it to install a linux distro instead of spyware OS...
It is very important to find or create networks of people around you that are decided to help improve the situation, as they can help you in case you need it. It doesn't even mean that you have to join dangerous action (you define what's dangerous for you), but even just signalling to the people that will act that they are not alone by being one more person in the group is already a boost for everyone, especially if you help them in some ways.
Then, as much as you can, participate in the group's actions, and evangelize the group's existence around you.
What if there's no action? Try to push for it in the meet-ups. Start with something easy. Tracts distribution, door-to-door to offer help and support around your neighborhood and make the group known, sentry in your communities to signal ICE/dangerous individuals raids and presence, offer to be a contact or to help people that might be targeted next, create workshops to rewrite the constitution in a way that would make it better for everyone, organize debates where people of different opinions actually listen to each others... The group needs to build confidence by actively doing something useful together. And it can stop here if people in the group have cold feet for more - it's already great. Once the group is created and solid, it will be able to change direction if needed by the political climate.
Next steps if people are motivated: actual political activism. Protests, sit-ins, happenings, guerrilla urbanism, petitions, blocking highways, or going to talk to people in power... The research you've done in the first steps should give you ideas of what you can do, and how to do it. Advice from a french protester: keep things joyful. Our protests are always a happy moment (up until the cops come and hit us), we're singing, we're dancing, we're having fun. It shouldn't be a chore to be there, and if possible the action should make people want to join you. It helps grow the movement, it helps grow the links between people, it gives a good image of the movement.
And what if there is no group like that around you? (Well I can't believe there is no union, but ok.) Then build one! Start small, with people in your community, with people that work at the food bank, with people you've met at the No Kings protests or something.
You cannot succeed as individuals. This is political, and political is the action of the many. Join the many, help increase the many, create the many if needed. The more numerous you are, the stronger you will be.
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Well I can't believe there is no union, but ok
The US labor movement has been so thoroughly crushed, this is a reality for many many people. It is heavily region and job dependent though, but many states have union membership around 2-3% they just don't exist there.
Otherwise, you're 1000% right. The hardest part is taking the first step.
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It's a real shame for unions then... but also, it means that they exist still. If you have nothing in your state you can still contact one in another state. They'll have contacts of people in your area, or at least they can help you set something up.
And being in a union doesn't mean that you have to actually show it and fight inside your own company (at least I hope it's not like that in the US). You can help the union and participate in other actions not targeted at your company and noone will be the wiser about it.
And if by some weird bureaucratic US-only reason you have to disclose it, you can still contact them, offer support and participate in stuff without officially joining anything.
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We need more self-defense classes against ICE agents. For Renee.
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And walks away, like the coward he is.
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Fuck ICE
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With the force of a thousand suns.
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they want to provoke violent confrontation, and are likely supporting those who are contributing here advocating for violent reaction. Don’t fall into the trap and they will not have any excuses or justification for escalation.
To be clear: reacting with violence will allow them to justify their escalation of violence, which is exactly what they want.
this is chess, not checkers.
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You don't fucking get it. No one listen to this guy.
FEAR OF ESCALATION WILL ONLY BRING MORE ESCALATION.
The "don't be provoked" thing only works in the old world. The one where rules and laws still exist.
These people are taking over, completely, and they will happily do so over your dead body if that's what it takes.
They know it, and I'm starting to get the feeling the shooter yesterday had instructions to kill. The fact that the shooter is not in custody is ALL the evidence anyone needs now to fully understand.
Good luck to all.
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For real, people like ghost are more likely plants or bots that are trying to defuse and capture pressure so you don't do what needs to be done. MAGA lives don't matter, they have passed the moral event horizon. Do the right thing and defend yourself from our domestic enemies.
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they're going to do the violence anyways, and they'll make up excuses
woman trying to drive her car away from them? shoot her in the face
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Renee didn't escalate, and see what that got her?
ICE is dependent on people not being able to fight back. They are bullies, and would be much less likely to engage if they could end up getting three bullets in the face. Power that can be applied to them, is the only thing that a bully would respect.
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Dude, they are already shooting and killing peaceful protesters. What does escalation even mean in that context? They'll shoot and kill even more people? When someone is shooting at you, self defense is allowed.
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reacting with violence will allow them to justify their escalation of violence
This position is not sustainable. All it takes is one act of violence to justify escalation against everyone.
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Exactly what "violence" was Renee Good guilty of?
These gestapo don't need excuses or justification because they have no responsibility or consequences.
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Protestors are coming to these events with no weapons in hand, I think it is perfectly reasonable, given what we've seen, for protestors to be carrying guns like the black panthers did. ICE needs to know that thier violence will not go unopposed, the need to SEE that.
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Reminder that California has strict gun laws primarily because racist Republicans feared an armed Black Panther march on the state capitol. See: Mulford Act
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Okay can you share our next moves?
Because my calculus says civil war is inevitable and better earlier than later as they are actively preparing. They will look to build camps and disarm. It should crack off now.
The longer we wait the stronger their position became.
But please if you have a grandmaster mate worked out let’s hear it.
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The most effective non-violent action we can take is joining local mutual aid groups, reading Full Spectrum Resistance for more details, and ultimately preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), please consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.
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Great move, Bobby Fisher.
You've posted on social media expressing support of violence, that would be really stupid if the federal government was run by people looking for any excuse to arrest and charge people with terrorist threats.
I hope that you're an outside agitator instead of just an idiot.
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Right, placating Hitler instead of confronting him went great historically.
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This seems like just a guess though of what seems "likely" and who "they" support. Truth is that no one knows. They may be supporting you as your argument is one that suppresses resistance and makes it seem futile, which also favours them and can be quite dangerous.
Not that I know what the truth is, just want to make clear no one knows. And they do not seem to need a justification for violence anyway.
They're just playing you (saying this from outside US) because they know you can't make sense of this, and resisting or not will both work in their favour.
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If it was chess, Trump wouldn't be winning. This is far from chess, it's the jungle.
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No, we're way passed this point. They are going to enact violence no matter how well behaved you are. The only hope is to show up in massive numbers and remind them how many more of us there are.
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They are already murdering people...
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👆 listening to this fool will get you and your loved ones killed
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They will do that anyway. What are the ptotesters saving themselves for, slavery? Maybe they should try to emmigrate. That way, they can all be here, when we start gathering every person we can for the fight.
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Username does not check out.
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Yea I remember when in school if you dont react to aggressive scumbag beating you he will stop bullying you. Works all the time
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Meanwhile they murder and deport people.
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this is chess, not checkers.
They just ate their own rook.
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I’ll bet you also like to call Trump TACO, too, huh?
That they will escalate their violence is inevitable. At this point we should all be organizing our communities for self defense.
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TACO only refers to dealing with bodies who can and do resist him. China can hit him. Europe can hit him. Even Canada can bite (and some tariff to take effect in 2026 were just pushed out to 2027, because… TACO!).
But "his" people does not bite (yet). So no limit there until he feels some kind of pain in return.
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Yep. At some point they’re going to do this and some folks are gonna open fire on them or throw a Molotov or something, and then the repression will get harsher and harsher. We need to stop them before this escalates.
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Was that a paint ball or a pepper ball?
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Yes
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"kill someone else" and crowds throwing snowballs... This could turn into a replay of the Boston Massacre.
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If you work for the government you are a coward
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Does that include teachers and maintenance crew guys?
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and a traitor
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Every gov. employee who hasn't resigned and every republican is complicit
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Howcome nobody shoots back? Y'all have plenty of guns I hear.
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If you're wanting a good faith explanation:
The folks who own guns are almost all conservative and live in red states where there is positive sentiment towards ice. The people who are protesting are all left wing and very likely don't own a gun, and bringing a gun to a protest is easily how you make what could be a day of bruises and cuts into a day of bloodshed. I've been to several protests, and the big message is "don't give them any reason to mow down the crowd".
Let's also consider why we don't organize like they do in Paris. You get arrested? Fired from your job. You get fired from your job? There goes your healthcare. There goes your housing. Our resistance is slow, not because we aren't passionate or are too complacent and dumb, it's because the sad fact that sick, starving, and homeless people make for poor resistance, and I doubt anyone wants that fate.
The system we have is against us in ways far more sophisticated than what you deal with in other countries. We are surveilled by are government, controlled by our cops, and sold by our corporations. But we aren't dumb. We aren't weak. We see the hellfire and somehow still go out to do what we can, it's just we are up against the most powerful domestic military force in the world.
Anyway, I gotta go teach children who didn't ask for any of this. I don't know how to keep it together, but somehow they do. If you're in Chicago, I'll see you in the streets. ✊
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The people with guns support ICE and Trump
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What's with the cut right before he fires?
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Ah yes, someone downvoted a comment that points out an inconsistency which would undoubtedly be leveraged by opposition to claim the video is fake or otherwise impassable as an objective display of events.
Despite the cut content probably not showing anything different...
The brightest minds, here on this platform.
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There is no cut. Here is a slow motion version. https://files.catbox.moe/ax2g2v.mp4
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I slowed down the video to inspect it and it is pretty clearly gun recoil.
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I had the displeasure of visiting reddit's doomercirclejerk subreddit where they acted like it was a justified shooting due to dangers posed to federal agents by all the Anti-ICE stuff floating around.
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I am more and more convinced that reddit is 90% corpo/politic/agency bots astroturfing every agenda that the world governments want to push as 'public sentiment'
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I can't find the story, so I might be hallucinating this or something, but I swear there was a case where Reddit accidentally made the IPs of their users public somehow (or it was hacked or something), and a massively disproportionate amount were from Langley, Virginia. You know, where the CIA Headquarters is.
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AI tend to be pretty right wing.
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That is the dumbest shit. We've come to the point where critical speech is now considered violent and threatening by the TT (Trump Troops). It's bad enough when "trained" law enforcement is incapable of regulating a response, these muppets reach for a gun when they can't get a liter of cola from the kid working at Jack in the box.
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The place is genuinely overrun by fucking nazis. They even claim that Maduro's kidnapping was somehow supported by everyone except reddit. It is utter shit.
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Mirror? Can't see it on mobile for some reason
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Here you go an imgur reupload https://i.imgur.com/ulIqUr4.mp4
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Better then getting shot in the face with a bullet.
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Hope this isn't too "controversial" to say in today's America, but in theory I wouldn't be sad if these individuals were subjected to the same things they are doing to civilians.
On the other hand, I guess it's important to remember that at some point during a typical day on the job, a small business owner might have hurt their feelings by refusing to let them eat at their establishment without taking off their uniforms and leaving their weapons outside.
So I guess if I'm able to put my anger aside for a moment to be totally rational and fair, in some ways it's like they've already experienced such harsh treatment, it kind of equals the whole murdering civilians in cold blood thing.
Edit: unsure if it's really not obvious this was sarcasm or if there's some Nazi fans with hurt feefees?
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FAFO
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Yep, ICE has fucked around long enough.
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while im 100% against ICE, Trump and the deportations, you can see the guy grabbing the ICE agent's gun... thats not a smart move
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Yup he got what he asked for, but Lemmy don't like that.
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I saw that and somewhat agree.
I feel I should clarify that the agent shoved their gun into that guys chest and he had grabbed it because (I'm assuming) he'd instinctively put his hands out to brace for the impact. I feel the agent could have avoided this from transpiring entirely (IMO).
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Ashley babut had it coming.
Same with anyone who grabs the gun of fed.
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If you're here promoting violence then you're not on our side and you should get the fuck out.
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“The coup will be bloodless if they allow it”. You can fuck all the way off.
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Do I need to tell you how stupid you are for advocating violence on a public social media website? Are you a child? Are you ignorant of history? Do you think that you have the technical capability to hide your identity?
Or, are you an idiot?
You won't have to worry about bloodshed because you'll be in a federal prison because you and all of your idiot friends think that talking tough on the Internet is going to accomplish something other than writing Exhibit A in the terrorist case against you.
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