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Carl N. Yon @lemmy.world

Goat and PugJesus take on DB0 ADMINS

Starting with this post:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/44999037

Continues here:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/45035437

More posts discussing the fallout:

Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is 'overblown and misrepresented'

Dbzer0 admin casually defending Uyghur genocide denial because "libs worse", yikes

Banned from meanwhileongrad for "No db0 allowed".

On Dbzer0, 'harassing mods' is when you criticize the top admin of .ml for responding to a Wiki link with a Lemmy search

Does lemmy.ml own db0? db0 denies the Uyghur genocide, begins to backtrack that maybe there are human rights abuses, and then immediately backs off as soon as lemmy.ml admin, Davel, steps in.

Tankie bar, db0, will remove your comments and ban you if you criticise lemmy.ml admin, Davel, for denying the Uyghur genocide

When the tankie bar, db0, is pushed about communists purging peasants, Davels swoops in with dehumanisation. Also, if you bring up the Holodomor then you're a nazi.

Removed false allegations against goat from a post on db0

An anarchist tankie did a write-up of the constant use of 'degenerate' as an insult specifically in the MoG comm

Another anarchist tankie did a write-up of the situation

More links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886

https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703/234360

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/338067

245 comments

  • is "taking on admins" what we're now calling PugJesus and (self-proclaimed member of neo-nazi forums) goat rage-posting on comms they moderate?

    lol. lmao even.

    • I thought anarchism was about DISMANTLING power dynamics like that of a tankie admin cabal?

      They are the few against th emany.

      • I thought anarchism

        that's because you have never read anything about anarchism and have no idea what it is. anarchism as a philosophy requires solidarity. and solidarity means a community coming together to protect itself from those bad actors who wish it harm. the freedom of association that is a core part of anarchism also means the freedom to disassociate. banning pug and goat was our community disassociating itself from someone who doesn't wish us well and doesn't want to be a part of us anyway. anyone who is on our matrix knows that everyone there was very supportive of the way the dbzer0 and AN admins have taken care of the situation and protected the peace of our community. nothing that has happened is at all at odds with anarchism, any more than it would be at odds with liberalism or communism.

        neither pug nor goat have lost their ability to take part in fedi, an ability they have made good use of by posting constant rage posts in their own comms. a couple of sad little kings, presiding over their sad little hills.

  • Someone really needs to touch grass :D

    • Someone really needs to touch grass :D

      Went outside and touched grass as per usual; still have not become an Uyghur genocide denier, nor have I decided to allow Holodomor genocide denial, nor have I defended Vanguardist parties suppressing democracy whilst claiming to be an anarchist.

      I guess it's just you.

      • I was talking about the OP, but don't let me stop you from the opportunity to lie through your teeth again :D

  • Copy pasting from a comment below

    @fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com explanation

    FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He’s a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

    I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I’ve also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they’re including the time I was being nice to cowbee… ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don’t want to get into that here.

    I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21109507

    From @unruffled@anarchist.nexus

    To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559

    On the other hand the single mod on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments

    My community is also bigger lol

    https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327

    And the amount of posts on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works by that same single mod is concerning. How many of those do they need make, reusing the same screenshot ad nauseam when Unruffled recognized that China's actions towards the Uyghur meet the definition of a genocide (see comment above)?

    • "They walked it back after being called out with a half-assed 'Well, I think it meets the definition, but the West is worse so it doesn't matter!' after spreading common fuckwit fascist talking points and denying genocide, whilst simultaneously praising denialism of that same genocide and allowing genocide denial in comms they moderate, clearly they didn't mean it"

      Yes, clearly. /s

    • as proven by cm002 the bigger community is more important that is why .world will win

  • NEWEST UPDATE! (WARNING A LITERAL ASSHOLE}

    What the fuck Goat? Like, I shouldn't be surprised since you:

    • admitted you had accounts on nazi shitholes like voat
    • have enthusiastically defended exploding-heads, a nazi instance*
    • had an account on burggit.moe, a pedo instance-**
    • -which you quit because it didn't allow your kind of yum (gore)**
    • were a mod for the explicitly named r/whatchpeopledie
    • probably beat your meat to "odd things", taking the two previous points into account

    But still, sending pictures of your little sheriff star to people... dang son 😶

    By the way OP, you should add a link to the source of your latest update: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

    https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886

    * https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703/234360

    ** https://sh.itjust.works/comment/338067

    • I got banned from voat, twice, because I was questioning nazis on their views. I like to question extremists and make it clear that their positions are illogical and nonsensical, only fuelled by hatred and insecurity. I also take credit for helping shut down ruqqus, which was filled with alt-righters. I also helped shut down /r/uncensorednews, which was the largest neo-nazi subreddit. But sure, I'm a nazi because I dare challenge them, that makes sense.

      I challenge extremists of all varieties. I challenge tankies, jihadists, Christian fundamentalists, sovereign citizens, QAnons, anti-vaxxers, antisemites, libertarians and trump supporters. Does that make me all of those things? No, obviously not.

      ExplodingHeads didn't start openly fascist. They first presented themselves as conservative, as extremists usually do. At the time Lemmy was brand new, and my argument was that the fediverse needs variety and diversity of opinions to stay alive. Unfortunately, EH was co-opted by neo-nazis, or they were neo-nazis all along, but if anyone from back then recalls, I also regularly challenged them on their Trump-supporter positions. But it's easier to ignore all that history and context.

      I joined because it had an icon of a burger, but I left after I realised what it was. Moved on to aussie.zone and later to SJW.

      I was, I was brought on by tejmar, the head mod who wanted WPD to be a more serious subreddit, not filled with sick jokes of making fun of dead people and because I was good at identifying extremists early and catching onto their many dogwhistles. We both wanted WPD to be a more educational community like /r/medizzy, focusing on a more philosophical and medical take on the subreddit's content. After the Christchurch shooting, I left because it was my opinion that the shooting shouldn't be posted due to the shooter being a neo-nazi and also because it's sickening footage that will get the sub in hot water. My protests went unheard, I was removed, and predictably, it was banned.

      I don't even have meat... Also don't know what you mean by sheriff star?

      • I got banned from voat, twice

        When the nazi bar kicked you out, you put on a fake mustache and glasses in order to get back in. Got it.

        But sure, I'm a nazi because I dare challenge them, that makes sense.

        Well, I mean, if you surround yourself with nazis and go to bat for them...

        ExplodingHeads blah blah

        Yeah yeah, you go soft on nazis and shit on leftists. I know that already.

        I joined because it had an icon of a burger, but I left after I realised what it was. Moved on to aussie.zone and later to SJW.

        Yeah, you didn't join because it was a freeze peach zone which you only quit because they didn't allow your kink. If I wasn't that lazy I'd go take a look on the wayback machine, I'm sure it's all saved there somewhere.

        I was, I was brought on by tejmar, the head mod who wanted WPD to be a more serious subreddit

        Little you was just lending a hand making things respectable huh?

        Here's you asking for the permission to make a NSFL community with an alt.

        Now tell me again it ain't your kink.

        Also don't know what you mean by sheriff star?

        I'd be confused too if a fucking amazonian rainforest had prevented me from seeing my brownie box all my life. Shave that ass jungle buns...

  • I'm utterly shocked that the Zionist social chauvanists that tend their nazi-bar and spend all day attacking Marxists would some day start targeting anarchists for not being in lock-step with them. Shocked, I tell you!

    In all seriousness, I called this over a year ago. Being right-wing socdems at best and spending all your time attacking communists is already the twin of fascism, then you add in caping for Israel, casual misogyny, transphobia, etc and anyone could have seen a mile away that their "purity tests" would eventually also draw anarchists into their fire.

    Extremely toxic behavior.

    • We were expecting it as well to happen at some point. There was no love lost between us and the libs during the US election period, and there's always been a lot of peeps hating us for our principled stances on copyrights, electoralism and "left unity". I think it was a bit of an assumption on your part to think that just because we were arguing some times with campists, we weren't also arguing with turbolibs.

      Funnily PJ did show his hand, by claiming out that he has anarchists that he gets along with. And then pointed out to people who just discovered anarchism less 1 year ago. Funny how further radicalism pushes people away from liberalism, innit? :D

      • I didn't mean you should be surprised, I figured most of y'all expected it too. This is more for those on your site that are big fans of MWoG despite it being a Nazi bar (won't get into names, not interested in that, and it isn't a majority of your users, maybe a handful), as well as those on the more liberal instances that align with PJ's "left" anti-leftism, ie Lemmy.world.

        I agree with your general stances on copyrights and electoralism, and am not trying to get into an argument about "campism." I just think in this particular moment as leftists we are both aligned, and can at least appreciate that aspect. I know we have our disagreements, but that's not something I want to get into now, I'm just having a bit of fun with people turning on MWoG, PJ, and Goat.

        Edit: Yes, I saw that anarchist claim! PJ also claims to know more about Marxism than me, which, I think even with your disagreements with me we can both agree that that's absurd. I'm no expert, of course, but I think I can humbly accept that I've put in the effort to know what I talk about in that regard.

      • Funnily PJ did show his hand, by claiming out that he has anarchists that he gets along with. And then pointed out to people who just discovered anarchism less 1 year ago.

        "Showing your hand is when someone asks you to name one (1) anarchist you speak to, and you do, musing that you could name more and that the question was pretty fucking stupid"

  • I told you, don't feed the nazi trolls. The worst for their kind is to be starved out of attention.

    That's actually pretty obvious that people who don't care about ANY genocide at all are actually Goat and PugJesus themselves. They just found bait that worked for you guys.

    cursing the trolls

    • We're not the ones denying the cultural genocide of the Uyghurs or the holodomor

      • I am usually very polite, but let it be an event

        Go back eating shit at the place you seem to enjoy, nazi scum 😊

  • Is this the left-wing infighting the memes have forewarned about?

    • Lol, pugjesus and goat are nowhere near "the left"

      • PJ claims to be, somehow, they put "vaguely left" in their profile. They hate both Marxism and anarchism, though, and seem to always act as though they are the true judge of someone being Marxist or anarchist. They seem to love social democracy, itself right-wing. You'd think after getting disproven over and over again, they'd actually start to listen to the Marxists and anarchists, but instead they powertrip and ban all dissent. Toxic behavior, and kinda sad.

        Goat, on the other hand, has never claimed to be on the left to my knowledge. They've openly been pretty right wing this entire time. Toxic, but not sad, seems they just want to rile people up and provoke a reaction more than anything.

  • @AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world

    I'm unable to respond because I'm banned, but I appreciate your attempt to engage in dialogue with db0. He won't admit fault because he knows that he's being hypocritical, but thanks anyway

    i can explain any questions you may have

  • Thanks. I’m going to unsubscribe from communities hosted there. Might eventually block their instance.

    Edit: as per the replies, I am not so sure now. I will look into the details when I have a chance.

    • For me, it's kind of the opposite.

      @fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com explanation

      FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He’s a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

      I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I’ve also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they’re including the time I was being nice to cowbee… ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don’t want to get into that here.

      I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

      https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21109507

      From @unruffled@anarchist.nexus

      To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

      https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559

      On the other hand single mod on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments

      My community is also bigger lol

      https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327

      And the amount of posts on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works by that same single mod is concerning. How many of those do they need make, reusing the same screenshot ad nauseam when Unruffled recognized that China's actions towards the Uyghur meet the definition of a genocide (see comment above)?

    • Have the piefed devs added them to the default instance blocklist yet?

    • I think it is time to add @PugJesus@lemmy.world and @goat@sh.itjust.works to the team with @cm0002@lemmy.world as the people fighting to save the Threadiverse from the tankie-scum. Not surprised to see this I was calling @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com and @unruffled@anarchist.nexus tankies for months.

      • First they came for the tankies, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not a tankie.

        Then they came for the ultra-left Marxists, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not an ultra-left Marxist.

        Then they came for the anarchists, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not an anarchist.

        Then they came for the social democrats, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not an social democrat.

        Then they came for anyone left of Biden/Harris—and there was no one left to speak for us.

      • If you have examples of their tankieness, feel free to run it by !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

      • DB0 used to remove Uyghur genocide denial and Holodomor denial. It's sad that now they regard that as permitted. Now they even defend vanguard parties overthrowing democratic elections.

  • I'll provide a lot of context later on; I have a busy few days, so I'll be unavailable to engage in fedidrama.

    Unlike tankies and apologists, I'll supply full context, with absolutely everything.

    tl;dr: Tankie bar.

    Summarised version for now:

    Db0 users and admins have been continuously defending tankies on my anti-tankie community, !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works. They also host tankies such as Devals, who is a lemmy.ml admin. They also host open antisemites.

    Their community, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, is good in concept, but in practice ends up being a snark community where they attack the moderator based on political views as opposed to whether or not the user broke the rules. Case in point, the user denied genocide, was temporarily banned, yet their snark community flocked to their defence and engaged in more genocide denialism. Any attempts of explanation and communication was met with ridicule and slander.

    They then brigade, calling me, my community and random users nazis and fascists. They say it's because one user, just one, uses 'degenerate' and 'roach' to refer to tankies. I counter, I supply evidence, I explain that tankies also use dehumanising language and as does db0's instance, yet we get banned. So I banned them back.

    If we're nazis because one user used the word degenerate and roach, then they're tankies for, you know, defending actual tankies lol

    Perhaps this is all just a misunderstanding, perhaps it's a series of coincidences or happenstances. But from my perspective, I got sick of their trolling and called out their hypocrisy.

    • perhaps it’s a series of coincidences or happenstances.

      I got sick of their trolling and called out their hypocrisy.

      From @unruffled@anarchist.nexus , Saturday 30th August 3:45 PM GMT+02

      To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

      Since then (Saturday 30th August 3:45 PM GMT+02):

      Calling out hypocrisy, based on the posts above, doesn't look the most genuine.

      Note about another db0 admin clarification

      FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He’s a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

      I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I’ve also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they’re including the time I was being nice to cowbee… ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don’t want to get into that here.

      I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

      https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21109507

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