Goat and PugJesus take on DB0 ADMINS

Starting with this post:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/44999037

Continues here:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/45035437

More posts discussing the fallout:

Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is 'overblown and misrepresented'

Dbzer0 admin casually defending Uyghur genocide denial because "libs worse", yikes

Banned from meanwhileongrad for "No db0 allowed".

On Dbzer0, 'harassing mods' is when you criticize the top admin of .ml for responding to a Wiki link with a Lemmy search

Does lemmy.ml own db0? db0 denies the Uyghur genocide, begins to backtrack that maybe there are human rights abuses, and then immediately backs off as soon as lemmy.ml admin, Davel, steps in.

Tankie bar, db0, will remove your comments and ban you if you criticise lemmy.ml admin, Davel, for denying the Uyghur genocide

When the tankie bar, db0, is pushed about communists purging peasants, Davels swoops in with dehumanisation. Also, if you bring up the Holodomor then you're a nazi.

Removed false allegations against goat from a post on db0

An anarchist ~~tankie~~ did a write-up of the constant use of 'degenerate' as an insult specifically in the MoG comm

Another anarchist ~~tankie~~ did a write-up of the situation

More links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886

https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703/234360

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/338067

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Just going to add another post discussing this; I did a write-up of the constant use of 'degenerate' as an insult specifically in the MoG comm, posted on hexbear, and cited the inciting incident as the latest people to get dubbed 'tankies' by this crew.
It's a fascist dogwhistle, especially the way its use is normalized on MoG. Their specialty is in turning everyone they disagree with into a ‘tankie’ that can’t possibly have a point, and consequently all abuse is then fair game. Ironic that they immediately started trying to flip the script with accusations of 'tankie bar'
- It’s a fascist dogwhistle, especially the way its use is normalized on MoG.
  I recall back over a decade ago when trolling fascist dickheads at /pol/, I called on my inner cantankerous, old man to ridicule their illiberal views and started calling them backward degenerates trying to set society back to the dark ages. With their scant vocabulary, they went agog with astonishment at this new word and went
  Degenerate? What's that mean?
  Then they became absorbed with that word & brought it back from old man parlance into their common sayings with degenerate this & degenerate that. They couldn't get enough of it.
  Believe me or not, point is it wasn't always a dog whistle, it has been used to criticize the pieces of shit using it as a dog whistle for being that very thing they purport to oppose, and it still can be used that way. Nothing stops anyone else from claiming it back.
  
  While those specific people might legit not have known the word, it has been in common parlance in right-wing and fascist circles for decades.
  
  point is it wasn't always a dog whistle
  It was used to describe indigenous people of Africa and America to promote eugenics (at least to the 19th century).
  It was popularized by the Nazis as a specifically far right term, to describe anything that didnt meet Nazi ideals.
  When its used to discuss culture (art, religion, etc) or traits of a person (sexuality, race, gender expression, etc), its a really blatant dog whistle.
  Like everything, context matters, but it absolutely has been one for a very long time.
- ill add it to the post thank you
  
  Thanks! the only correction I have is that I'm actually an anarchist, I feel like a broken record sometimes having to explain that.
  
  (I kid, thanks for the correction)
  
  Thanks! the only correction I have is that I’m actually an anarchist, I feel like a broken record sometimes having to explain that.
  It might be the constant defence of the PRC, the repeating of Russian propaganda on Ukraine, and simping for an instance that literally removes posts which point out genocide by fascist polities which are painted red, which cause people to correct identify you elsewise.
  
  Believe it or not, passing your online purity tests about geopolitics is not what makes someone an anarchist.
  Your use of 'tankie' is just 'disagrees with me from the left' and it's been on full display.
  as I said earlier:
  Their specialty is in turning everyone they disagree with into a ‘tankie’ that can’t possibly have a point, and consequently all abuse is then fair game.
  
  Believe it or not, passing your online purity tests about geopolitics is not what makes someone an anarchist.
  Yes, it is quite apparently that you regard playing apologist for fascist states performing genocide as completely in-line with anarchism, bizarre as it is. I guess 'purity testing' is 'questioning whether simping for fascism is really compatible with anarchist thought', especially considering that you openly support .ml's removal of anything critical of fascist states.
  Your use of ‘tankie’ is just ‘disagrees with me from the left’ and it’s been on full display.
  Ah, so defending genocide is a leftist position now. It must be the People's Genocide.
  
  Wild how every argument with you speedruns straight to hyper-fixating on what Americas enemies are doing.
  you regard playing apologist for fascist states performing genocide as completely in-line with anarchism,
  I would never play apologist for the fascist states of America and their genocidal war on the Palestinian people, You were the one spending all your energy browbeating everyone expressing disgust with genocide Joe and bomber Harris.
  Funny hearing lectures on “what anarchism is” from a social democrat who’s more interested in purity testing leftists on lemmy than building anything outside the ballot box.
  
  Dude explicitly doesn't want to build anything outside the ballot box. In fact, he considers any alternative than capitalist liberal democracy as "fascism" and would support even violent paramilitary suppression of such. No matter what it is.
  He clearly has the Fukuyama brainworms.
  
  Dude explicitly doesn’t want to build anything outside the ballot box.
  I've explicitly said otherwise, and in conversations with you, no less. But don't let that stop your attempt to pretend that supporting genocide is somehow justified because "A DemSoc I called a lib was mean to me :'("
  In fact, he considers any alternative than capitalist liberal democracy as “fascism” and would support even violent paramilitary suppression of such.
  lmao
  Because I regard elections as preferable to a coup explicitly along Bolshevik lines? Bolshevik lines being, in the case that we discussed, quite literally the dissolution of a leftist democratic government the year before?
  Nothing like supporting the Vanguard Party suppressing democratic elections to really be a good anarchist, huh?
  Astounding that you prefer the taste of boot leather to the horrible position of opposing genocide.
  
  I've explicitly said otherwise, and in conversations with you, no less. But don't let that stop your attempt to pretend that supporting genocide is somehow justified because "A DemSoc I called a lib was mean to me :'("
  Lol ye I already saw your opinion on what you would support if an actual alternative outside the ballot existed. You'd go full fash :D
  Nothing like supporting the Vanguard Party suppressing democratic elections to really be a good anarchist, huh?
  The democratic elections that ultimately brought about Hitler. Sure, one of us definitelly supports a path that leads directly to fascism.
  
  Lol ye I already saw your opinion on what you would support if an actual alternative outside the ballot existed. You’d go full fash :D
  ... the "actual alternative outside the ballot" being proposed was a literal fucking coup explicitly along the lines of the ideology that had overthrown a democratically elected leftist government the year before.
  "If you don't support fascism with red paint, you're the real fascist!"
  And you wonder why I call you a tankie apologist.
  The democratic elections that ultimately brought about Hitler. Sure, one of us definitelly supports a path that leads directly to fascism.
  The dissolution of the united front brought down the left coalition in Weimar Germany, which brought about Hitler. The KPD, whose boots your are insistently licking, withdrew from the united front, at the behest of Stalin.
  But tell me more about how your proposed fascist coup would have stopped fascism!
  
  Wild how every argument with you speedruns straight to hyper-fixating on what Americas enemies are doing.
  The argument here is literally about the Uyghur genocide, but nice try to whataboutism it around to your Americentric obsession.
  I would never play apologist for the fascist states of America and their genocidal war on the Palestinian people, You were the one spending all your energy browbeating everyone expressing disgust with genocide Joe and bomber Harris.
  I love how here you completely avoid the accusation in favor of whataboutism.
  America is going down a very fascist path and supporting Israel's genocide of Palestine. Sadly, you think that somehow justifies playing apologist for China going down a fascist path and genociding Uyghurs, or the genocide of Ukrainians.
  I guess it's GOOD genocide, unlike Israel's BAD genocide!
  Funny hearing lectures on “what anarchism is” from a social democrat who’s more interested in purity testing leftists on lemmy than building anything outside the ballot box.
  Building parallel systems is something that I've repeatedly praised on here, but I understand that that's inconvenient to your interest in attempting to paint me as trying to 'purity test' by insisting that genocide and fascism is Bad, Actually.
  Keep licking boots, fascist, it's all you're capable of, apparently.
  
  I'm opposed to all states, I'm stuck in the US so I oppose its genocidal warmongering foremost 😎
  edit:
  
  I’m opposed to all states, I’m stuck in the US so I oppose its genocidal warmongering 😎
  Yet you consistently defend other genocidal warmongering states, what a curious form of opposition! Bootlicking Nazis, but saying it's okay because you oppose Italian fascists - what a principled individual you are!
  Oh, no, wait, you're just a bootlicking fascist who plays apologist for genocide if they wear the right 'team colors'.
  It's also cute that this comes in response to being called out for your Americentrism. Everything revolves around the US to you. Rather typical product of the American school system, ironically. Internalized all the lessons, just swapped the team colors. Instead of opposition to genocide, all you understand is opposition to one flag or another.
- Would you like to delve deeper into this?
  If you legitimately think there's a fascist infiltration of my community, then we'll investigate it together
- Ironic that they immediately started trying to flip the script with accusations of ‘tankie bar’
  It was pointed out that in that very fucking thread there was Holodomor and Uyghur genocide denial, which would make, by the same argument as the 'Nazi bar' accusations being leveled, DB0 a tankie bar.

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