Trump threatens to shut down US government unless all trans health care is banned
Trump threatens to shut down US government unless all trans health care is banned
Proposed legislation behind the impending US government shutdown contains provisions that would ban federal funding for transgender adults, as well as youngsters.
yes, but also maybe take the threat against trans people seriously? like, Trump just said he wants to ban trans healthcare. it seems like that should also be a big deal. saying that everything is a distraction from the Epstein files has become a distraction from some serious shit.
The point is that the Epstein files has been pretty much the only thing to bring cracks in Republican support for Trump.
Everyone who is upset at this news on Trans health care already know Trump is a useless piece of shit. His base on the other hand will probably cheer this on.
So driving that wedge that is the Epstein files is imperative if we want to chip away at his approval ratings and hope we can salvage this shit in next year's midterms (I know, a stretch).
The other stuff is also bad–the fascism and stuff–but it might be useful here.
good to know the forced death of people like me is just a distraction to you.
Oh, so when the government shuts down in a day or two, because you’re a piece of shit and no one wants to give you money to continue with being a piece of shit, of course you’re gonna blame trans kids for this
You piece of shit
I'm concerned they want to shut down that way they can keep it closed indefinitely. Funny that meeting with the top brass is coincidentally around the time of the shutdown.
It's a yearly ritual at this point.
2x yearly, if not more.
If you want to piss off a Republican, make sure to correct them that it's Romney-care, a Republican healthcare system, anytime they call it Obamacare!
CALL HIS FUCKING BLUFF!
LET HIM DO IT AND FAIL OR WITHDRAW AND BE WEAK
How enthusiastic are ICE agents deployed to whereever going to be without a paycheck?
Looking from outside in, seems to me that this is one of those rare instances where a lot of those already doing it would happily do it as a passion project or a hobby on the side… I’d wager most people with even a trace amount of morals wouldn’t do it, not for a paycheck or otherwise.
They are fully funded for the year apparently.
TACO
Let them shut down the government. Keep it shut down. Let's see how long the troops will work for free.
I’m quite confident Schumer will continue to display the backbone of a sea cucumber and capitulate with no meaningful opposition whatsoever.
We really need a nationa1l calling campaign for chuck schumer to step down.
I'd imagine "troops refusing orders because of lack of pay" is one of the first problems they've worked out with any shutdown
If there's one thing this country cares about, it's keeping the military industrial complex running
Oh no! I guess the ONLY Option is to Ban ALL Transgender Healthcare in American in exchange for NOTHING!
-Chuck Schumer!
I hope he shuts down the government, honestly.... It might limit how much damage he does.
I honestly don't think he even knows what shutting down the government actually means. I'm betting he thinks it's just the poors not getting access to essential services, which he's probably fine with. I'm positive he doesn't realize that it cuts off literally every perk except for secret service that he gets as president. The entire White House staff will be sent home except for executives and unpaid interns.
Honestly, at this point the government already is shut down. It's been shut down for months. We're just still in the denial stage. Trump's claimed and a criminally corrupt SCOTUS has endorsed Trump just refusing to pay funds allocated by Congress. There is absolutely zero point in Democrats negotiating with Republicans on this, as Trump can just refuse to pay any Democratic priorities they fund.
The entire White House staff will be sent home except for executives and unpaid interns.
As long as one of those interns will bring him McDonalds, he won't care.
Can it be blamed on the Dems? Alternatively, will it trigger the libs? He's fueled by spite and grift
I'm pretty certain you're correct.
I've been loosely following along (I am not an American), and I did not realize the consequences myself. Holy shit, he's basically halting paycheques for a lot of the people working directly and indirectly for the government.
I feel bad for those people. Hopefully they have enough to weather this storm until Taco gets advised that this action is fucking stupid as all hell.
Cis people should be scared about this too. Things like supplementing estrogen (for woman after they have gone through menopause) or testosterone is a quite normal thing. Im betting my ass, that this regulations will affect these things too.
Laws don't bind the in-group
Until they move the in-group. Which they'll do if they continue to get their way. They have to keep projecting power like this to keep this up, and they'll continue to grind through subgroups of the population to do it.
You're not wrong, but you forgot that the in-group always shrink.
Also, it is usual for fascists to throw others "under the bus" as a way to save their own face.
The in-group is wide enough that the people at the edges are hit with the splatter when the guy at the top takes another dump.
If he makes it illegal to even provide estrogen or testosterone to patients, hospitals won't stock it.
Except that the in-group is constantly shifting, to ensure there’s always an enemy to rally the masses against. The only consistently protected group is the rich.
While I understand it’s not ok to give in here, this is just an attempt to move the battle. There’s no need to justify defending human rights here (for any decent humans) but don’t let it distract us. We can’t waste time arguing this. Don’t let them move the goalposts. This is just “no” and return to the larger fight
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Good. Do it. The government ain't doing shit for people who actually need help anyways.
I'm in one of those, fucked either way cases. If the government doesn't shut down, I lose my healthcare, if it does shut down I potentially lose my job since I work for the government.
Hey! A fellow gov worker! So, how's the last 6 months been stress shitting your guts out and expecting to be fired every day? Because I'm sure as fuck not having a good time and want off this god damned ride.
Sorry you're in that position. I can't believe this is where were at. Who non millionaire could possibly be on the presidents side on this one?
Still scrolling down looking for the basic Transgender Solidarity post but I guess allies are sleeping in....
Trans dance party starts here. I am starting the dance party.
Then we can take a break and write our reps and remind our friends and go back to our daily revolutionary work of staying alive and experiencing joy three steps ahead of the murderbigots.
Sorry I'm late.
Thank you!
Ally here, can confirm, was sleeping in. I'm up in Canada though, so trying to make positive change up here.
Thank you so much!
They weren't sleeping in, they were just sleeping. You posted this six hours ago. Six hours ago it was 7am on the east coast and 4am on the west coast.
All trans healthcare? Does that mean all transition-related care? Or all healthcare to trans people?
My moneys on both
It would bar federal funding from going to any hospital or medical facility that provides gender-affirming care, including HRT. Like a Hyde Amendment for trans healthcare. Basically, no medical facility that wants to take Medicaid or Medicare would be able to provide gender-affirming care. Oh, you’ve got an entire hospital? That’s nice, but you have a single endo who prescribes HRT, so no funding at all for you.
How many kids did this fucker rape??? Every day it's a new horrid thing to try and distract us from the fact He Raped Children!
Trump rounds trans people up into death camps
"another attempt to distract us from the Epstein files!"
Mass rapist demands human beings give up their rights just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Yeah I'm pretty positive that he himself was a trafficker. Not just a client. Also a lot of the girls are likely dead.
I bet that is what is being hidden. Because it's worse than what people think it is.
Maga is already ok with him being a pedo as long as it was girls.
So it has to be much worse than that.
FUUUCK
Thought this was gonna be a 2026 thing.
SHUT IT THE FUCK DOWN. WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH FASCIST TERRORISTS.
Shut this shit down for good at this point. Worthless ass government.
I'd call him a garbage human, but he's way beyond sub-human at this point
It would be an insult to garbage.
Ok... I squat corrected
TACO?
Solidarity. Trans important!
Not taco. Please stop. The more you say it the less it's true. Is your feeling okay more important than fascism flaking?
Is your feeling okay more important than fascism flaking?
I thought the point of the phrase was to bruise Trump’s ego and reputation? It’s not “We believe this in order to make ourselves feel better,” but rather “Trump attempts to project a strong self-image, but he’s actually an insecure little chicken shit without a sense of personal conviction.”
I have to fly back into the states soon, I would appreciate it if air traffic controllers would first off, get proper time off, pay, and benefits, but also that they are paid
Shut his ass down so the rest of the world can get on with good living
So wait…. You’ll shut down the biggest thing that has been causing everyone so much grief?
Don’t threaten us with a good time. Also;
WE DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.
Or the truth, Democrats are shutting down the government because Trump and his regime are developing into a fascist autocracy.
Democrats are shutting it down? I thought they were the minority.
Developing?
It’s going to get much worse.
IDK how dumb this idea is, but what if Trump/Republicans that align with him are trying to cause a shutdown to take advantage of the chaos somehow and blame it on the Democrats, and part of the reason for sending the military to Portland/LA was to anger the Democrats enough to not fold?
Of course they are going to blame the Democrats. That was never not the play, lol.
Going to? They already are. Check out the HUD webpage:
It's not a dumb idea, it's almost certainly what's occurring, with the caveat that I don't think they actually want to shut the government down. Whenever you hear about an impending government shutdown, it is always a game of political chicken, trying to find out who will cave first, while simultaneously trying to preemptively sell the public that it's the other party's fault. Look at the messaging from the white House and congressional majority leadership. It's all "oooh the Democrats aren't willing to pass our super clean funding bill to keep the government open, they are unserious and willing to hold the American people hostage in order to continue mutilating babies". Meanwhile, Democrats state (accurately) that Republicans need Democrat votes to pass anything, therefore it is incumbent upon them to negotiate in good faith.
There's nothing more antithetical to Trumpism than good faith negotiation and compromise, so he's doing everything in his power to avoid that, lest it appear like he had to cave to Schumer, to include cancelling the meeting they had scheduled last week in favor of doing the meeting today, at the 11th hour, to further pressure the Dems into capitulating.
Now, it's important to note that, for all of the political brinkmanship on display, shutting down the government is, historically, far more damaging for the majority party than the minority, though the public tends to take a dim view of everyone involved in this sort of situation. Therefore, Dems have reason to stand fast and Republicans have an incentive to make concessions. This is in addition to the fact that Schumer got a lot of flak for instructing Dems to fund the government back in the spring, so he's also likely motivated to feign some backbone in this particular tete a tete.
I consider the occupation of certain cities to be mostly unrelated to the funding fight. In fact, it would have behooved Trump to not antagonize Dems leading up to this for the aforementioned reasons. With that being said, Trump doesn't do things according to what makes political sense, and, to your point, I can see a scenario where Trump is the only person at the negotiation table today who is totally ambivalent about whether a deal is struck or not. A local (Republican) representative was quoted with a statement to the effect of, "I'm not sure if the Dems have considered the fact that the Presidency is granted additional powers in the event of a budget related shutdown, maybe they should think about that".
So, you've got Dems at the table who are motivated to follow through with a shutdown unless they get certain carve outs. You've got congressional Reps at the table who are aware that the American public has historically always blamed the party in power when a shutdown occurs, and are thus motivated to make concessions, but quietly. And then you've got Trump et al, who gain additional emergency powers in the event of a shutdown, further diminishing the legitimacy of the other branches of government and increasing the consolidation of power within the executive branch. However, if the government doesn't shut down, Trump will likely spin this as yet another example of his brilliant negotiating ability (see also the Gaza peace plan released this week), even if there's a snowballs chance in hell that any concession appears in further funding bills the next time this occurs.
Idk if any of that holds any water in the face of evidence, but it's compelling speculation.
There is no 5D chess from this administration. They've proven themselves time and time again to be greedy and incompetent.
Yes, millions losing healthcare and an autocratic regime are the democrats fault. the shutdown will be the democrats fault. If they don’t cave, mass permanent firings are the democrats fault. Now it democrats decision whether to insist on medical rights for a marginalized population vs insist on medical rights for millions of low income people.
It’s all projection, blame, outrage, and will only end when those forms of manipulation stop working
Put down the tack board and red thread. Not everything is part of a conspiracy. Not everything is connected. Not everything is a distraction from the Epstein files. Not everything is part of some grand plan. The fascists are perfectly capable of doing multiple awful things at once, each for their own independently awful reason.
Threatening violence on your opponent's territory right before you have to negotiate with them is stupid though unless you have a reason to want things to escalate
Sounds like he's looking for a win because he's going to lose on healthcare in general. It's a smart way to go about it because the transgender people are going to be sacrificed again and it puts healthcare at the top. It's smart, but 100% evil.
If the Democrats cave on that, then fuck them too.
But as far as I'm concerned Trump just delivered an easy win for the Democrats - this is an easy out for Democrats to not cooperate with Republicans (obviously morally abhorrent demand) and shift the blame for the shutdown to the right.
there are only. 001 maybe less of the population. It's a non-issue in reality. Unfortunately, they make it an issue to divide people.
Do it you fucking orange, do it.
But don’t be surprised when half your population moves to a better country.
No fuck that bullshit, I was born in the city of New York, I have lived most of my life in this city, and I will be damned if I have to leave. From my point of view I will stay in this city until the federal government fucks off and if I have to fight so be it.
getting rid of half the population is the goal. they'd prefer we emigrate (which is not nearly as easy as you seem to be assume) but killing us is also an acceptable means, as has been demonstrated.
They wouldn't prefer we emigrate. That's just a diplomatic line to start the logistics of genocide.
Also don't forget deathmarch. Most of both worlds.
Their favorite team captains are sadists who crave consent violation and expect a steady diet of it.
Wait.
Is he trying to reverse psychology something
He's trying to convince his very stupid followers this is a shutdown he started over transifa. They will overwhelmingly accept this.
He could say it's because Democrat made hottdish always gives him diarrhea and he thinks it's sus and is shutting down the government so he can get bathroom peace and his followers would overwhelmingly accept it.
Making it about transgender is just a hate move and is trying to get violence going again after reading your comment.
Well I guess no more gender affirming surgeries for balding fat loser white guys also then.
Its almost as if he doesn't care about the reason and will make up anything on the spot.
Oh, and hes also a child fucker.
Rapist, child rapist.
I'm now fully convinced he's a dictator calling himself a "president".
Just now?? His third term and beyond aren't jokes. He never makes jokes that's not a veiled threat. The dude has such little empathy at his age that he isn't able to feign anything without revealing his real intentions.
Trump will do a thousand crazy things to deflect from his children rapes. Look here! Look there! Look up! Look down! Look left! What a maroon. A dangerous maroon. (Not a misspelling but a Bugs Bunny reference).
Diabolical sabotage...
Wait I thought you had medbeds for everyone?
Not for trans people. They are for white straight guys only 😤
Do it. Shut down the government. At least we'll get rid of ICE this way
I wish it were that simple. But they passed that budget for ICE already, which funds them all year.
Things that help people? Yeah, those are what's gone.
Surely this is the last group of people whose rights he want to remove. Surely.
Fingers crossed… up next, dei hired professionals all lose their license.
Shut it down, pussy.
The Democrats should threaten shut the government down unless they release the Epstein files. Fuck it all, make the Republicans have to tell their constituents they were willing to shut the government down to protect the Pedophile in Chief
That would require the democrats to act as an actual opposition party, which they have basically never done.
EDIT: I apologize, I must make a correction, the democrat party did act as an actual opposition party from approximately 1861 until the early 20th century, but I don't think anyone should cite that as a proud example.
They can't since some of them are on the files themselves.
At this point, even the most die-hard republicans should be horribly ashamed by the fact this "man" is even allowed to participate in politics.
Eh, who am I kidding? Few bad apples spoil the bunch, and it‘s already happened worldwide. Trump has become only a symptom of the wretched corruption that is everywhere.
Do it. Shut the government down. I don't think you got the guts to give away your power in protest, you orange bum
I feel like it's a misdirection. Like, this isn't what he really wants. This is a ploy to get/do something way, way worse. Or use this to cover up the Epstein files or something. He'll use the shutdown and a hot button topic to get what he sees as a big fish...
Eliminating all trans people is what he really wants. The genocide of trans people is already happening in the US. When trans people don't have access to trans-related medical care, they die at very high rates. When trans people are terrorized by their government and their neighbors, they lash out. When trans people are labeled as terrorists, there can be no peace.
The Mormons, Southern Baptists, and some Jewish groups just asked the Supreme Court to consider trans people exempt from equal protections clause of the 14th amendment.
The genocide of trans people and immigrants is happening. Now. Today.
Government shutdown is also what he really wants, because he wants unrest and violence to justify sending the military to cities to carry out his nazi terrorism, declare a national emergency, and hold a third term in office.
Tbf, the US government has a long history of accusing peaceful citizens of being terrorists. Both parties love to do that.
Why couldn’t it also be what he really wants? What part of anything happening in the US and anything coming from the right could possibly signal that they don’t want this?
Conservatism is a cancer and fascism is perfectly happy to turn that knob up to 11.
Because if he plays that card now, he doesn't get to use it again. If he keeps it in his back pocket, he gets to manipulate more people for longer. And it's a win/win for him regardless.
What ground would the democratic party be willing to give up to ensure it doesn't happen now.... what about in 6 months, next year, etc. One thing I'm pretty sure he wants more than anything is a 3rd term. So, unless they have a bulletproof way to stop him from taking health care away, it's something he can keep weaponizing.
I'd love to be wrong, but he seems to like to kick up a lot of noise before his real plan is shown.
Shut it down so adults can start a new one.
How dreadful! For many trans people it'll endanger their lives.
It all reminds me of what was happening in Russia over the decades, just smashed into an impossible timeline. Small steps lead to irrevocable disasters.
Gotta love that freedom and small government
lets refuse to fund his magic bed
Mike Johnson shut the government down to prevent the release of the Epstein files. Full stop.
What about the Epstein files? Someone should remind him.
Let him TACO this. His base wants other people to suffer, not themselves.
Why so fragile
Also, dems should demand epstein files be released to prevent a shutdown.
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7 upvotes, no downvotes and banned. Huh?
I've never seen such hate in a politician.
Really crazy how any other spaces but lemmy they're saying this is the democrats fault.
Well, sure, but remember that Harris was so terribly transphobic many people just plain didn’t vote at all! Which is obviously the Democrats’ fault for running such a terribly transphobic candidate.
And yes, this option that we have here, this - ban transgender federal funds, make trans people terrorists - was the only other choice available. But that still means it’s the Democrats’ fault because otherwise you’d have to blame people who didn’t do the one most important thing they could to prevent this and obviously we can’t blame them.
Look, we’ll call it even and should we somehow make it to the midterms next year we’ll all decide to protest by not voting again. Then the Democrats will really start paying attention to us! Pretty soon after that, bang-zoom! Workers will seize the means of production and . . do something with chains. Ride bikes maybe? Anyway, sounds fun.
On the one hand I agree, on the other I'm so angry and tired of either hearing that my issues aren't important enough to do something about (the line told to Millennials during pretty much every election - presidential and otherwise - from Bush onward outside of Biden and Obama on things like housing prices and student loan debt/price of college) or that as a transgender person, we need to let the Republicans do a little genocide and removal of our rights and freedoms as a treat or else the "moderate Republicans" won't vote for the Democratic candidate (are the "moderate Republicans" in the room with us right now?). And then we get blamed for the Dems losing one way or another regardless. Either the Millennials didn't vote hard enough, or our demands of things like affordable housing and protection of minorities' rights were "too radical and lost the Dems the moderate vote."
I still voted for Harris because it was either the Dems rein in the fascists to some extent at the federal level or the only safe places being Democrat run states, but the Dems absolutely threw us under the bus as a "worthy sacrifice" to court a mythological voting base that hasn't existed in decades - if it ever did at all - and I can't really blame people for being sick and tired of it.
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Go for it, you first.
Trump isn’t man enough to do it. You won’t do it, pussy!
I don't understand this at all healthcare in America is private so what the fuck does the government have to "worry" about? They are not paying for any of this.
The. Cruelty. Is. The. Point.
This is fucked demand.
What are the chances he just drops this position?
That's terrible.
Fuck this ridiculous man and his supporters. We should offer asylum in Europe for the people he's basically persecuting and denying basic rights to.
Great that we in Europe also like to piss on the rights of trans people. Just take a look at terf island or Hungary. If I remember right Poland also introduced some shit regulations on trans people, but dont count me on that.
And no I dont want to say, that the situation across Europe is the same as in the USA, but we better be careful, that the same shit doesn't happen here too.
I fear the US is just ahead of the curve. This trend is slowly getting everywhere.
The Bell Riots were apparently a decade or so off.
Organize the worker
Do it, fash.
Believe it or not, just a tactic. The “art of the deal” is only bullying or doubling down. Find something more horrible for your opponents to fight, to distract from the real battles. We need to stand firm on healthcare for millions and the rule of law, regardless whether they threaten permanent firings, regardless whether they threaten worse to marginalized people arts of our population.
I’m not saying this behavior is in any way acceptable, just that it’s trying to move the battle lines.
Children in charge of countries...
Kraznov doing civil war stuff again, ignore
I can't take this headline at face value due to the source and their propensity to lie by omission.
"All trans health care" sounds like it's not really all trans health care, but it's something transpeople don't want to lose so they're going to lie and make it seem like more than it is.
Proposed legislation behind the impending US government shutdown contains provisions that would ban federal funding for transgender adults, as well as youngsters.
Yeah, that's not the same as "banning all trans health care."
These people hurt themselves more when they do this. Be honest and sincere in journalism; not some influencer trying to drum up hype.
This is bad enough without journalists lying about it.
You do realize that almost all hospitals in the U.S. receive federal funds in the form of medicare and medicaid reimbursements, right? And the feds are threatening to pull all federal funding from hospitals that treat trans people, thereby creating a chilling effect. So while the headline is slightly misleading, it's really not far off the mark.
If passed, this would effectively ban trans healthcare. It would cut funding to any hospital or medical facility that provides gender affirming care. That means only private practices would be able to offer gender affirming care, and most of them would probably have to stop providing it. If they continued to, they would be ineligible to receive payment from medicare or medicaid for any other patients they see, not just the trans ones. The administration is talking about labeling all trans people as terrorists, why would you think they wouldn't ban trans healthcare with a smile on their shitty faces?
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Not like a coward maybe?
Nobody cares
Actually, a lot of people care.
It was never about the children.
Yes it is
It's about hurting some of them
Trump wouldn’t hurt children, would he?
state of emergency incoming
the soldiers are already in place