The god of guns demands sacrifices.
The god of guns demands sacrifices.
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Letting the Trump administration be in charge of disarming Americans seems like a poor move for everything and everyone except the regime.
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Like anyone will rise up against the fascists. Most of the gun enthusiasts are siding with them.
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Sometimes they just announce the identity before they even know
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That's going to be the norm for this administration. The only thing that "matters" is the very first thing to be said. All the media blindly run with it and the Reich wing media won't do a correction later on if it's proven to be otherwise.
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The fuck you want me to do about it, go door to door rounding up all the guns by gunpoint? We're living under a dictatorship and 150 million of us are completely insane
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I mean, tbh, we have over 600,000,000 guns and trillions of rounds of ammo in ~45% of the pop's hands, no registry to know who/where those are, and at those numbers we're a larger "force" (no organization) with more guns and ammo than most of the world's militaries combined (and larger/more than ours "alone," well, combined with our police actually). Sure they have the fancy toys, but..
You'd have to go door by door and search literally every house AND somehow make sure the people to be searched don't stash shit before you get there with someone who has been searched, and you'd have to get them all (not miss one hidden in floorboards), AND you'd have to restrict home depot purchases going forward, AND somehow not get smoked by a "cold dead fingers" ass motherfucker, all so we can make sure our totally not fascist government is the only one possessing arms.
Good fucking luck. Even if someone could which is a big if, idk if they should considering that last bit.
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If the political temperature was about a thousand degrees cooler, it would be trivial to create a long-term buyback program and a lot of sensible laws and a simple registry for responsible owners.
I had to sell my entire firearm collection when I fell into hard times and didn't get close to what I paid for them, if they had a program that paid even 75% of a gun's value you would have people lined up around the block to sell off their shitty old handguns and rifles they never use.
But america will never, ever, ever let go of their weapons as long as everyone is afraid of their neighbors and their government.
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Let’s not pretend it was anything different Under any other president. Y’all are just blood thirsty maniacs. Not all of you but too damn many.
The fuck you want me to do about it
Not get all mad in a meme community for one. I do agree though that it ain’t your problem, so maybe you didn’t need to reply to this meme.
Heck you think I’m out here calling people out for calling British food bland. Nope just move along.
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90% of the time it’s maga
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Closer to 97 iirc
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More specifically Christian Nationalists.
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It’s the same picture.
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Well yeah but that one time it was a trans person, so they have to fix that problem first before they tackle the real issues.
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Actually, this wasn't such a thing until the Kirk shooting and the entire right wing decided in 20 seconds flat that every Democrat murdered Charlie Kirk. So they'll be getting a more fact based version of that for the foreseeable future. We're sick of taking the high road.
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Nah, every school shooter have been defaulting as Muslim since forever and more recently trans, until it was found that, once again, it's a cis white boy.
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Right, I definitely get that the right has always been doing this. It wasn't so much a thing coming from the left though. We already knew the likely politics of the perpetrator. It wasn't a big thing for us. Now though, they're going to get it shoved in their face every time.
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The left pursues stricter gun control. Safety nets. Mental health services.
Conservatives fight to prevent those things.
You literally have two parties, one of them known for being neutral and looking for solutions, and the other known for deflecting and scapegoating... and you still have people not seeing the difference. And people think coalitional governments are good. We can't even handle 2.
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I'd argue the US does not have a leftist party. When I was young, we had a centrist party and a right party. I've watched in my lifetime the right decide to go further right, and the centrist party go right to chase some purported 'balance'. (This was all Bush/Obama era, before Trump/MAGA entered the game)
We do not have a leftist party. We have the right and extreme right parties. And we only have two because of a mathematical flaw in the iterated first past the post electoral system.
And we might not even have two parties. The DNC and RNC have so many overlapping funding sources and so many behind the scenes organization that they could be seen as two divisions of the same team. Even if no explicit link can be found, despite the theater the two organizations have a healthy symbiotic relationship - each preferring the devil they know over any third party upset.
With all of the above, many intelligent people have checked out - the marginal benefit of supporting the D's over the R's just doesn't justify propping up a system that is fundamentally broken at it's core.
(P. S. I personally don't agree with that conclusion and will swallow my pride to vote for the best available candidate, but I think painting the people that don't agree as wholesale fools is a very unhelpful way of framing things.)
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The left pursues stricter gun control.
I’m not opposed to gun control but take a look at Canada at the moment, one mass shooting from an individual who did not have a license to posses or acquire firearms to begin with and the government goes and targets sport shooters and hunters who do have the appropriate licenses? It’s been 5 years and it’s clear they’re removing all semi-automatic rifles from licensed individuals private possession, calling them “assault rifles”.
If I had a conversation with the Public Safety Minister it would go a little like this; If these are Assault Rifles that belong in the military, why aren’t we suppling our troops with these rifles then, why did NATO reject sending these firearms to Ukraine, why did Bill C-17 not prevent these firearms from entering the market for the last 30 years?
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The Center pursues stricter gun control. The Left isn't opposed to gun control in theory but they encourage people to buy assault rifles and share 'Under No Pretext" memes.
(“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” ― Karl Marx)
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Most people in the US already know the government isn't going to do shit about the shootings. In fact, any attempt to do so is met with hostility and constant pushback.
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The culprit is American culture, and most people feed the beast that creates it. Maybe it's time to detach from Americas traditional values and lifestyle.
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As an American...
I would love to. Please get me the fuck out of here!
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Honestly, with the church shooting, most of what I saw outside of here was people most doing the old arguing about less guns vs more guns and the usual pro-gun people complaining that making it "political" by talking about preventing such things is rude along. But also there is a political movement that is responsible for like 80% of such non-state violence (and also at least the one that publicly celebrates things like police and ICE violence). And I was immediately primarily interested in how the narrative about identity/motives would go...
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Oh look, another "both sides" useful idiot.
Fun fact: one "side" has no desire at all to curb gun violence in the USA. They just get upset when their stochastic terrorism backfires.
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vomits guns
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If the issue really is the radical left, why aren't there also issues in leftist countries?
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America has a pretty impressive social firewall around it, we don't get to see what its like in other countries. The average median American voter believes countries like Sweden and Norway are nations of unpopulated wilderness with old-fashioned, quaint villages where people wear silly hats and bake nice desserts for tourists.
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What about the Epstein Files though
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Listen. Nobody is releasing those files ever. Either because the Republicans over played their hands and realised actually there is nothing really here.
Or it’s bi-partisan and the party not in power will shout about it until they get in power and then go quiet.
I lean towards number 1, based on Occam’s Razor.
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We're so far past that. We're at the brink of the military being forced to choose between following their oaths or obeying the administration
But sooner or later, hopefully, people will see the pattern. All the political violence is coming from the right... Every time. They just lie, every time
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Trump just had a meeting with all the generals in the military which has never happened in modern times. We are in full blown dictatorship now and he’s doing military loyalty tests.
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Well it depends, does the military fall in line or not
After Jan 6th, the generals got together and stonewalled Trump. Since this January, the admin has been trying to punish them and thin their ranks
But the keyword is trying. The military has been uncooperative at every turn - they've followed orders but refuse to menace the people.
So far, the courts have authority, Congress (theoretically) could reign in the other branches, and we're still having elections
No one has actually taken the throne. They talk like they have, but no one has tried to cross the final line... They're hoping they can get everyone to comply in advance.
That's the final line of defense. Will our military follow their oaths when the last line is crossed
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don't stop your enemy when they're making mistakes.
if the far right wants to cannibalize itself, they can go for it.
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It’s genius the people in power put the working class blaming each other while they profit from all of this.
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There was a cartoon/comic/image I saw back in the trump shooting. About how they realised the shooter was a white guy, and the audience breathes a sigh of relief saying 'race war postponed'.
I wonder what will happen if "the wrong type of person" is linked to a mass shooting, and what will happen next.
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We got a hint of that with the Mormons. And the right always chooses to believe any shooter is trans so....
We will probably see a few more assassinations until people start shooting up protests.
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In my country the news mentioned that is was the third shooting in 24 hours. That is America alright.
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Doing something about all the shootings means economic, political, and social reform and that would inconvenience Billionaires. So instead Democrats will blame guns and Republicans will try to ignore the problem completely because neither will admit that the exploitive economic system they champion reaching it's logical conclusion is to blame.
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Republicans*
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Right cause it is important. If they're on the right we all get to smugly say " see you are assholes" if they're left, or right or human then they will enrich police and authority to come pull us out of bed at night for being nihilistic terrorist's
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...really need to do something about all this right-on-right violence.
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A lot of these contests just a points game, but in this case if one particular side is able to dominate the narrative then they'll use it to actually hurt people.
So I get the game is stupid, but is a game where real people can get hurt.
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I mean one side is ready to do something about it. The other is not.
So there's nothing to do other than point out that the side that isn't ready to do something about it is responsible for the vast majority of it.
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It’s not gun’s fault so we have to create a world where people don’t feel the need to shoot each other by continuing to do nothing about it (except when Charlie Kirk catches a slug because that’s bad.)
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Have I been missing something?
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The recent shooter of Charlie Kirk didn't write any manifesto or anything like Luigi Magione. Both had massive impacts and people are just waiting for this shooter to tell them what to be angry and do something about it, but in reality it'll just confirm what they think but most won't do a single thing to act on these manifesto. I believe people should actually act in their own little way to make things better. Be that what you dedicate towards, form community with others. Create social networks of caring about the people near to you. Volunteer in events, participate in organizing.
There has to be more than just anger that boils till the water evaporates.
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If China is anything to go by, ban knives too.
Don't forget about stones too!-
A wild idiot appears!
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Oh fists too! Those fisty hands can choke somebody!
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I mean...
To fix it we need free and available mental healthcare, a population with something they don't want to lose, or reasonable gun laws.
None of those things have a chance of happening right now with the current government.
Even if trump passes gun control of some sort it's not going to be reasonable. And that's the only one of the three that are plausible.
But right now no one wants trump to pass any gun laws. Even if Dems get House/Senate in midterms, trump will veto anything reasonable.
I’m skeptical of the idea that this can mostly be boiled down to mental health (or at least that mental health reform alone is a valid fix) and not social issues. Mental health is certainly a component, but if we actually listen to psychologists they’ve been saying that the massive amount of news around shootings makes further shootings more likely. There’s also no diagnosis or mental illness attributable to the majority of mass shooters to treat to begin with.
Using the Kirk shooter as an example, according to his friends he was incredibly deep into channer-style irony poisoning. What is therapy supposed to do to fix that? You can’t therapy someone into better mental health if they don’t want it.
Not trying to jump down your throat or anything, this is just one of my regular soap boxes.
You can give the people in Gitmo 24/7 access to a psychiatrist, but they're still gonna be depressed because that is the logical result of their condition...
I wasn't saying:
I could have specifically said that, but I figured people would be able to understand that on their own. I didn't say today was Monday either, some things you just have to have faith in the reader
Imo it's part of a larger project along with criminalizing homelessness to attack people with mental illness.
If you go on reddit or other social media it's not in common to see people calling for a return to whatever to their mind imagines as old school mental institutions with forced institutionalization for anything they don't like
The APA has repeatedly claimed that mental health is not a major factor in mass shootings.
I actually almost completely forgot that APA is an actual psychology association, not just people who decide how papers should be formatted.
I don't think "mental healthcare" is a silver bullet (pun intended) to fix the problems. That's not going to fix the consolidation of power and wealth. That's not going to get people shorter work weeks, and more quality time with friends and family. That's not going to break up the media megaliths that profit from anger inducing feeds.
Health care will help, but the problem is conservatism and it's shitty brother capitalism.
The only gun control which could pass is making it impossible for LGBTQ people and Democrat voters from accessing them.