Average 1337x user
Average 1337x user


Average 1337x user
Back when I had VDSL and even ADSL, I'd try to hit 1.1 ratio because if everyone did that the risk of information being lost would be close to 0%. Nowadays with gigabit internet, all that prevents me from seeding is hard drive space, and 8 TB doesn't fill up quickly with how few good movies and series there are these days. I guess that's one way to stop piracy, just make fewer and worse series/movies.
"Good" is in the eye of the beholder. Have you considered that the quality hasn't changed much, but instead you've become more discerning as you age? I certainly have far less tolerance for the stupid shit I used to think was funny long ago.
I get that. I used to think The Big Bang Theory was funny
shudder
Yeah, I'm aware of that. And if I liked copoganda I'd be swimming in shows. That's just getting older I guess.
Like no longer thinking Bio Dome is comedy genius
Good definitely is subjective. I have Robot Jox in my library and it won’t be deleted until I’ve left this mortal coil.
That was fun back in the day when movie studios blamed piracy for their movie performing badly, so someone checked and their movie was barely present or downloaded on the high seas.
Unfortunately BitTorrent clients are kinda messy and don't make it easy to maintain a long term seeding library. I've moved to qbittorrent which is a bit better than Deluge on that regard, but it's still not great.
Yeah, they are messy. I tried BiglyBT a few years back, and while I love a lot of features, I think that was overkill for sure. qBittorrent is the golden standard at the moment for sure.
I used to use Deluge as well but have been really happy with Transmission for years now
Is your issue that it's hard to move files around without breaking seeding, or something else?
just had a silly idea: stopping your torrent right as it starts to seed (to avoid ISP letters) is like pulling out as a form of birth control
Yeah, but you still seed while you download
Meta's legal defense was that they limited seeding to a minimal value as a precaution when they pirated terabytes of books. Of course, I don't expect the same ruling would be granted to an individual... Shit is fucked.
Digital pre-cum.
JFC people, use protection
you mean a VPN ?
Has the law in any jurisdiction determined that sharing some small fraction of bits is equivalent to sharing an entire series of bits? And how do they determine that? Like I’m sending 1s and 0s right now. Is that a violation?
I mean, at that point everything is legal if we pretend to just send "random" 0s and 1s
Did a little digging around. It looks like they manage to get discovery judgments all the time over partial downloads, but I don't see them actually taking anyone to court for anything less than a full file.
Once you have the entire file available, it's hard to shimmy around the distribution claims. Wouldn't it be super effing interesting if everyone's torrent client specifically picked a random block and refused to give it to anyone?
I'm not sure it would hold up in court, but it would be interesting.
Coitus interruptus
One of the few latin expression I memorized, because that's how the Catholic Church calls it since that's their recommended "contraception" method, all of which I find hilarious.
That’s… not how it works. A law firm rep (usually) just has to connect to the swarm and see what IPs are there. It matters not if you share, being in the swarm is enough for them to send your ISP a notice of infringement. So as others said, use protection.
I did that.
And rightfully so, I was a 15 year old in a third world country with a beat up compaq computer to download movies overnight. I couldn't seed cuz my father would find out I wasted the internet.
Today, I can seed and have a 26TB hard drive, I preserve old movies in my native language (Telugu) and seed them.
Do we need people to learn about seeding and ratios? Definitely. But I believe in
Today's leechers are tomorrow's seeders.
And don't blame them.
I leech because i have a 1mbps upload speed and if i'm uploading using that then my download speeds tank rendering my connection useless.
I'm moving in the next year and when i get a place with more than ADSL you bet i'm setting up a seedbox
Sounds like you grew up and your hardware did too!
Not everyone is able to seed unfortunately. Here the downloading aspect although not allowed seeding is when you can receive fines.
Hence I cross seed everything to I2P.
Of course only Linux ISOs 😉
Personally I enjoy seeing the numbers go up. Looking at the current top ten by ratio according to my torrent client most of them are obscure things that I'm probably the only one seeding — but the number one spot, at a ratio of 565, goes to "Shrek (2001) [1080p]".
Eh, mine's linuxmint-20-cinnamon-64bit
Mine is a odd Xbox torrent with like a 39 ratio. Everything else is like a 2.5 or 3 ratio max.
My Linux Mint 22 iso currently has a ratio of 11908.34 over the last year and a bit.
Edit: linuxmint-22.2-cinnamon-64bit.iso
is gaining fast with a ratio of 314 in just two weeks.
Damn, I am only at a ratio of like 10 from some season packs of Chuck and The Mentalist. 565 is crazy!
I was over 900 on several torrents before switching clients about a year ago. I have a few in the 300s now.
I have now a ratio of 9.1 and 250TB of uploaded....
Also my hard drive is getting full. I guess I have to clean up some torrents soon.
Or buy new storage
Buy more storage. Cheers. Awesome ratio.
that's a minimum of 27TB of storage, what kind of monster is your computer?
Thats really not that big in terms of a NAS. Some crazy fuckers on reddit had literal PETABYTES of storage.
HDDs are getting massive. You could almost store all that on a single drive right now.
coughs in 50TB
Huh?
That are only 3 hard drives.
I bought myself parts for TrueNas.
1000 where half of it was the storage.
Buy more storage, but also... join private trackers when they open signups. You'd be amazing there.
Public tracker: You are the hero, getting a 30:1 upload ratio in a mere 30 days. "Wow, this shit is easy!"
Private tracker: "Please... can this torrent even reach 10% upload? It's been an ENTIRE YEAR! I have 500 torrents in the same state!"
I never really understood private trackers TBH or rather the reason behind them. I like the idea of publicly sharing more anyway
Already there
Thank you for your service.
god i even hate pausing seeding for even an hour cause i'm like BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS IT???
you're the hero we don't deserve
I don’t know about you guys, but I set mine to stop seeding at a 2.0 ratio. Give more than you get. That’s the way I think it should be.
True, unless you're the only one seeding a particular thing. It's good to keep media alive and available, especially obscure stuff.
Valid, although I prefer the 24/7 seed to infinity method.
Why would you do that? We should all keep on seeding as long as possible.
Cause I don’t have infinite storage. My seedbox has 4TB.
Depends on the torrent tbh, if it has loads of seeders already i don't really care.
A better way is to just limit connections and upload speed and seed forever. If your total connections is like 25 and your max upload is like 100 KB/ps, it doesn't affect your internet or anything although you should use a VPN and stuff, and it helps to keep those files out there with a complete source for a long time.
Highest I've seeded before stopping was 2000x, on about 30 or so titles. And everything from my home connection lol
The more seeders, the likelier I'll probably give 2.0.
But I'll keep everything seeded as long as I have storage available.
Used to do this but now feel like it's a net positive to just let it go and be a bigger cog in the antimachine.
Why is it called seeding but where is sperm in question?
We could call it breeding instead
«See, when two people on the internet love content very very much...»
There’s microplastics in my magnet link.
It's more like trees.
I used to seed everything religiously. Then I joined some private trackers, and suddenly I felt like I needed to conserve all that upload bandwidth for torrents on private trackers. Humans kinda suck. I still seed plenty, tho:
I just throttled it to 10mbps.
Private get unlimited (1gbps)
I mean, we're not philistines.
I seed EVERYTHING until i run out of space. Qbitorrent doesn't like me having .torrent files in more than one drive, so i'm limited to my 14TB. But i have dozens of torrents that i'm only one of 2 or 3 people seeding it, so those help me upload hundreds of GB's with my terrible connection.
Also i'm on a private tracker, so leaving them seeding helps your ratio, even if you don't actually upload anything. They just try to encourage new people to seed and that is awesome.
People should learn how to seed. If you don't want to seed, just pay for Usenet.
It's a shame Usenet has become fully paid. It's what ultimately pushed me into torrents. And the fact that small communities don't have all the content out there for you to download via Usenet.
Downloading large files from Usenet was paid pretty early on. If the core functionality of Usenet is now paid, this is news to me.
the second it says "Seeding"
Don't worry, it will stall at 99.9% forever
I hate how relatable this is.
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Unfortunately my VPN provider doesn't support Port Forwarding (they're great in everything else, but suck on this) so if I just start seeding from scratch no peers will ever manage to connect to my machine. The only way I can contribute back to the community is when a Download session ends and starts seeding (basically all those peers that my machine checked during the download stage get recorded in the VPN's Router NAT as associated with my machine so if they try to connect to my machine later, for example to download a block, they get through), so my torrents are just left to seed after downloading (if I stop it and start seeding later, it might not work anymore depending on how long has passed).
Fortunatelly I have a fast internet connection and torrenting is done in a server machine, so I just leave it setup to a 2:1 seeding ratio for as long as it takes to get there and pretty much all torrents I download reach that seeding ratio (it pretty much only fails to reach that on really obscure torrents with very small swarms).
I've been sailing the high seas for over 3 decades and long ago saw the importance of doing my bit to keep the whole ecosystem alive.
So I might not be seeding everything I have (and as it's been 3 decades, I do have some stuff which is now very obscure), but everything I get from the community I seed 2x as much so that others can get it too.
I've been trying to understand port forwarding since I keep seeing that I need to set it up for my torrent client to work reliably. But I read that it sends your traffic "outside" of your VPN encryption. Doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose or am I understanding it wrong?
In a VPN your own machine sits behind a Router from the VPN provider in a NAT configuration (meaning that during VPN tunnel initialization that router gives your machine an IP address from one of the so-called "internal" IP address range - most commonly one in the 192.168.x.x range - which are NOT valid to have visible in the Internet) and which multiple machines all over the world sitting behind other routers can use at the same time (for example: even though it only has 254 valid addresses, there are probably millions of machines running right now with an IP address in the 192.168.1.x range, which is by far the most popular range of internal IP addresses).
The IP address which is visible on the actual Internet has to be one which is not from an internal range or other kinds of special ones, and that's the one that the VPN provider Router shows to the outside. (There are a few "tell me my IP address" websites out there which will let you know what that address is).
This is also how home routers work in providing multiple machines in your home access to the internet even though its on a single ISP connection which has only one IP address valid for the Internet.
To make all this work, such routers do something called NAT-Translation: connection requests from the INSIDE to the OUTSIDE go to the router, which changes ipport information of those requests from the internal ip and a port in that machine to be the router external ip and a port the router has available, and then forwards the request the outside. The router also records this association between the external machine, the port the router used for it and the internal machine and the port on it the connection came from, on an internal table so that when the OUTSIDE machine connects to the router on that specific port, the router treats that inbound connection request as associated to the earlier outbound request and does the reverse translation - it forwards that inbound request to the internal machine and port of the original outbound connection.
However - all this only works when your machine first connects from the inside to an machine on the outside, because that's when the router translates the IP address and Port and memorizes that association. If however you gave the IP address in some other way to that remote machine other than connecting to it via the router (for example, you have registered a Domain Name pointing to it, or you just gave the IP address and port number to a friend and told them "this is my Jellyfin machine"), any connection coming from the outside will not be routed by the router to your machine, because the router never had an original outbound connection to make the association for any return inbound connections: from its point of view some random machine is trying to connect to one if its ports and it simply doesn't know which internal machine and on which port on it is supposed to get this connection from that unknown external machine.
Also all this is dynamic - after a while of one such association not being used, the router will remove it from memory.
Port Forwarding is a static way to explicitly configure in a router that all connections arriving at a specific port of the router are ALWAYS to be forwarded to a specific internal machine and a specific port on that machine.
Given that the association is static, you can give the outside world in any way you like without involving the router (for example, listing in some kind of shared list, which is what the Torrent protocol does), the IP of the router + the forwarded router port, as the address for a "service" that's running on your internal machine, and any request coming from the outside on that port even if your machine never connected to that remote machine, ever gets forwarded to the internal machine and the port you configured there.
With port forwarding you can for example host your own website behind a VPN or in a home machine that's not directly connected to the internet because any requests coming into a specific port on the router that does have a direct connection to the internet always get forward to that machine and the port on it you configured.
In the old days Port Forwarding had to be manually configured on the Router (for example, via a web-interface), but nowadays there is a protocol called uPNP that lets programs running on your machine automatically request that the router sets up a Port Forwarding for them so this is often done transparently, which how most networked applications sitting on a machine at home behind a home routers, work just fine since those routers always support port forwarding.
PS: All this shit is actually one enormous hack, that only exists because IPv4 doesn't have sufficient IP addresses for all Internet connected machines in the World. The newer IPv6 does have more than enough, so it's theoretically possible that all your machines get a valid Internet IPv6 address and are thus directly reachable without any NAT on the router and associated problems. However I'm not sure if VPN provides which do support IPv6 actually have things set-up to just give client machines a direct, valid on the Internet IP address, plus a lot of protocols and applications out there still only work with IPv4 (byte . byte . byte . byte) addresses.
Does your ISP not give your router a public (even if dynamic) IP? If not, then after your router you'd be double-natted right? Yuck!
My ISP does give my router a public IP.
However my VPN provider does not give my client machines public IPs and instead gives them internal IPs.
So from any machine in my home, my normal (via ISP) connection is via my own router (which does NAT for all machines in my home network and which I fully control) which has a public IP address on its external interface (so, no double NAT), whilst a VPN connection is via the VPN provider's router (as that's what's on the other end of the VPN pipe) which also does NAT, but that router I don't control and the VPN provider I use doesn't allow Port Forwarding hence all the trickery I described above to make sure I actually seed more than I download.
Around here ISPs giving internal addresses is not very common unless it's on a mobile connection.
I suffer with seeding unpopular torrents and rarely see my ratio even each 1.0
I mostly seed stuff that's on the verge of being lost media and my ratio is often insane because there just aren't other seeds. Ironically for many old/unpopular films the Internet Archive is a lot better than any torrents.
The comment on this internet archive review in particular had me laughing.
internet archive is amazing; i found a 100gb woodstock 94 bootleg vhs collection of the 3 day ppv recording and it took like 2 days to download despite only having 1-2 seeders
what was your highest rate? A ratio of 3x ?
I would seed if people ever used me. I only have so much space, and everytime I try to seed, there's either nobody downloading, or theirs a hundred other seeders.
Have you checked if you have the port used by your torrent software forwarded?
You guys go out and talk to girls? Disgusting, they have cooties.
Ones with pp are peak
Isn't that what streamio effectively does?
I do think this is the real issue, these programs like Kodi and stremio do exactly that.
Yep. And that's why I hate those users. Damn leeches
Question: does a debrid server avoid that? Do debrid providers seed?
My understanding is that debrid servers do not seed, which is the primary reason I've been turned off to the idea of using one
No one wants my seed.
I used to seed in the old days, but I feel it has become more complicated now.
The primary issue (before eg.: CGNAT or port-opening issues) is it's become more and more often the case that I post-process what I download before use (rename / reencode music albums, reencode movies) so it makes little sense to keep the old files only for seeding. In theory a "seedbox" (those are the trendy thing this decade, right?) would help solve this, but I'm still rather new and have not found any FOSS, PII-free offerings in the market.
Exactly the situation I'm facing. Despite torrents being a popular choice, it just doesn't provide an easy way to manage your seeds.
Of course I have found some potential solutions. Seedbox is one of them. There's also the *arr suite, which is a more local solution that utilises hard links - but im not sure if it'll be effective if you want to reencode.
I have an *arr suite back at home (and had one back at work, once). It's quite local yes but I feel that to be to its advantage in this case since it's for downloading, not uploading. No advantage if I want to reencode, since in an *arrsetup you just post-process the files as usual and remove the originals. OTOH, you can easily connect it to your Jellyfin, mpd, etc...., but by that point I just connect the folder with the post-processed stuff.
Exactly this. I don't need 1080P or 4k mp4 rips with 10bit audio, and I definitely don't have the storage for it, but when that's all that is seeding, its usually quicker to just download it and re-encode.
This pretty much. I've never understood the point of something like The_Avengers.[4K][8K][16][Dolby_7.18_3D][128subs].mkv
... what, do people want to take note of The Hulk's groin warts?
For stuff like animation content, even 720p is too much unless it's content from the last ~5 years. Anything before Infinity Train does pretty well on 540p or 480p with 96k audio, and if I'm looking for a movie from the 80s, let alone a black-and-white from the 50s, I'm certainly not interested in a 8K rip that would naturally have to be an AI upscale.
I kinda started a "seedbox" for at least my niche torrents. Most of the mainstream things I download I don't normally leave to seed that long as there's already plenty seeding, but a lot of the documentaries or other things that only have single or double digits seeding I'll make a copy and leave it to seed for a while. I used to host my Plex server from that PC and when I build my new dedicated server I left the storage intact, but transferred my whole library over, so I have a large amount of unused space doing nothing else.
I'm also fairly new to all this. I'm now using Jellyfin for selfhosting. What's the benefit of enencoding everything?
In my experience at least, the two primary benefits (and sometimes, the only benefits) of re-encoding are 1.- reduced file size and 2.- increased device compatibility.
The file size is relevant because you can fit more stuff for essentially the same quality: reencoding a FLAC album to ~160k Opus uses up only 1/5th to 1/4th of the space, ~196k Opus is 1/4th to 1/3rd of the space, so it can be a pretty good gain on aggregate. A movie in 4K is worth nearly 6 movies in 1080p and nearly 9 movies in 720p, and for ~95% of extant content in the world rebasing down from 4K to at least 1080p presents no practical loss.
The compatibility is usually only relevant when you want to have that content be easily accessible in eg.: a remote media server, a streaming system, or one of those gool ol'reliable MP3 thumbsticks. In those cases, you'd be reencoding audio from FLAC to MP3 to increase device compatibility (and getting some decent space savings too). If your Jellyfin server's connection is over wifi or you'll access the data outside of your local network, re-encoding to lower sizes means transmission requires less bandwidth, as well as other savings (incl.: energy consumption in aggregate).
Maybe one day ProtonVPN will fix their port-forwarding for their configuration files, I haven’t seen anyone else complain about this and their support is oblivious that this function even exists.
For people wondering the Learn More link just tells you what port forwarding does.
Looking at the docs, it seems like that toggle enables UPnP, so the rest of the setup should be on the torrent client to announce that it needs an external port, and the VPN and torrent client should handle things from there. Maybe you can lookup the docs for your torrent client and see if there's anything extra to use UPnP?
I mean I’ll give it a try, their support flat out said they don’t support port forwarding for WireGuard configs which is why I never used the feature, but if it’s truly using UPnP than it may be worth a shot!
As for router setups, the Port Forwarding feature is unfortunately not yet officially tested and supported, therefore, I will be unable to provide any specific steps for setting it up and creating a port mapping on your Asus router, nor guarantee that this specific scenario would work as intended. Our team will consider testing it on router setups as well in the future, however, at this moment, I am unable to provide any specific time-frames or further details. I apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you.
Edit: https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding-manual-setup#wireguard looks promising!
Try taking a look at the way glueten implements port forwarding with protonvpn. Hopefully it helps you piece together a script that works for your setup.
https://github.com/qdm12/gluetun/discussions/2686
https://github.com/qdm12/gluetun-wiki/blob/main/setup/advanced/vpn-port-forwarding.md
Can you nmap to find it as a workaround? Just thinking out loud, never fiddled with it directly.
I love seeding.
Friendly reminder that seedboxes are definitely worth it. Go for a seedbox if you can afford it
And join private trackers, quality is better and you pretty much get seeds all the time.
I have a great seeding record, but cant find any private trackers to join....
Where do i start?
i only re-started my torrenting activities in the last few years since the streaming landscape has become a hellscape
Aren't private trackers just toby clubs for dick measuring upload speeds?
tragedy of the Commons, with external pressure to boot.
All my torrents seed for a bit but then remain in "queue" forever.
I can't seed even though I want to because my vpn
Do certain providers block uploading but allow downloading or something?
Most VPN Providers block Port forwarding, so I'm guessing that would be the cause here.
Sorry guys but I'm living out of a 500GB hard drive. Anything that I'm not using regularly gets purged.
Is it possible to obtain stats what seed ratio you need to get to on average for a torrent not to die?
It really depends on the tracker in use. I tend to stick to private trackers, so I feel relatively safe stopping seeding at a ratio of 2-3. For public trackers, your ratio would have to be pretty dang high because most people stop seeding on those.
I meant more like where would you get these data from? I guess the most precise would be to actually seed a bunch of torrents to different ratios and then test retrievability after X months.
It'd be nice if we can have some kind of standard for torrents so we don't have a bunch of duplicates on our system.
For something like games, it just doesn't make sense to have the torrent and the install. It takes up so much space.
Portable installs are always best.
There are clients with a "stop seeding" button that works prior to finishing the download. Just sayin'. Still seeds while it's active, but stops right after.
This is how you end up with a 99.7% completed gzip of bob Dylan's entire catalog and have to restart on a new, uncompressed stream that's 10x larger
Fortunately the significantly improved download speed from the 6 heroic always-online seeders mitigated your concerns somewhat. But where were they before?
about to go postal rn on god frfr
Can confirm.
Ts should be criminalized
as a protonvpn user i can't seed even if i want to :/
worst thing: if i turn off my vpn i'll be abt. 2000€ poorer
switching to mullvad soon
I honestly don’t understand your comparison of providers… Proton has port forwarding (with all paid packages afaik) which Mullvad discontinued? Is there something I’m missing?
i can definitely seed with proton, though ive been using a seedbox fos everything recently
Please take a look at I2P. So much better then a VPN. And we need more seeders.
i'll look into it! :) thx
Is that Matt & Marisha?
We wish. It'd give torrenting and sharing content a pretty good PR check.
When VPNs are paid to not get fined, and only distributors get fined, don't blame me for not doing jackshit to contribute.
Your whining is music to my ears.