you ignore it until you can't anymore

We’re trapped on a burning planet with superstitious dictators committing holocausts in broad daylight and there are forum mods/admins who find it within themselves to stop you from advocating online to ixnay a few fascists or billionaires

Fuck removed who vote for fascist lunatics.
- Okay but why the r-slur
Reddit is a dumping ground of hate generated by AI eating fuel to wreck the planet further

Maybe this is just my media bubble, and I’m not saying I haven’t seen any articles about it, but I feel like remarkably little attention overall is being given to how many fucking people are dying in these heat disasters. Not just this one, but over and over.

It is just a common thing that it doesn't make interesting news. Same for how many traffic deaths there are.
- In that same vein, frearms are now the leading, primary cause of death for children and teens, in the US.
  Boomers largely do not believe this, I've argued with several even here on lemmy about this, provided data, studies, they never admit they're wrong.
  Absolute explosion of mass shooting events, victims are far more likely to be Gen Z or Gen A.
  Again, firearms have killed more children in the US than car crashes, cancer, etc, for several years in a row now.
  https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens
- Fact right here. I used to work as a paramedic in a city with a couple of large bridges. So many people suicided off those bridges that it never got reported. It was too common and not shocking enough.
- You say that, but infuriatingly I'm always amazed by how much above the fold top national news story reporting gets allocated to traffic deaths.
  "4 year old girl dies in crash on the M1"
  Okay, that's terrible, but is it really a good use of the nation's time to read about how lovely this child was and how tragic the crash was? Are there not maybe more informative and educational and useful news stories you could be pushing to the top of the news, rather than this?
  You'd think it was some backwater news broadcaster but no, this is from the likes of the BBC. Wild.
No its not just you.
Climate coverage drastically diminished roughly during Covid, never came back, despite us blowing through the 1.5C limit 2 years ago now, insurance companies in the US more or less abandoning roughly the southern third of the US due to their own climate models, despite the AMOC destabilizing, despite us recently realizing the SMOC has actually been destabalized for a decade and is actively deteriorating.
- Yes, there is clearly an active push to just ignore it, it's been driving me insane.
Our media has a lot to answer for
Yes, but they're poor and brown and far away, so who cares, right?

"ignore it until you can't anymore"

Lol. A few years ago we watched conservatives ignore COVID until they were literally dead.

The harrowing thing for me about "Don't Look Up", was that you couldn't tell if it was about climate change, or Covid, or basically any other far-right political denialism.
- I assumed it was covid at first, but then I realised how long it takes to make a movie and it came out too soon... It was just that accurate.
  Funny how a lot of criticism was about how it was "too on the nose", but really, it still seems to have gone over people's heads
- More horror than dark comedy, hard to laugh after watching it. Such utter helplessness after all other attempts to stop extinction from happening fail.
  Makes you wish you first have to raise a revolution -- deal with those elites awash in absolute power and then get rid of them from ever ruling -- before taking on the task of combating the actual horror about to happen. But right now and what is infuriating is that those bastards in power are trying to squelch the voices rising up to pull them down.
So they ignored it until they couldn't anymore.
- No, brother. The dead ignore everything. Not even the death of our sun will wake them.
I was sure that would decimate their voter base, between those who died and those who were left to see the fall out.
Let's not forget they were all, and still are, shitting their organs out on horse dewormer

I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.

We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.

Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don't care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.

Watching that sub collapse from the influx of people realising something was wrong with the world always amused me, I tried my best to stop people blowing up over Sam Carana posts, doomsday apocalypse predictions, the newest fad political posturing/doomsday devices.
There was a lot of great information there; it was pretty much the only reason I kept reddit around. Thanks for modding.
Yeah. The future is dark, no matter what angle you look at it from.
I don't think humans will go extinct. We're very persistent and very good at surviving. But I think there's going to be mass death and forever wars over resources. I think our total population size is going to plummet.
We just don't have what it takes to get enough of our species working together to address these large scale problems the future presents. Too much greed. Too much selfishness. Too much ignorance.
I wanted to go to school for this stuff, but conservative "values" have infiltrated every aspect of society is ways even most progressives take for granted and you get smacked down if you want to change anything. The only value they care about is Dollar Value.
We are absolutely fucked.
Oh, it’s worse than that. We may have fucked the planet and all life on it.
Anything that is in motion - like the climate - has an “inertia”.
In past warming events, the planetary ecosystem was able to migrate across thousands of kilometers to provide “resistance” to that inertia, because said climate changes were happening across tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years.
Our current changes are happening in 0.01% of the time.
That means it has massive inertia, and there is far too little time for carbon-sequestering ecosystems to migrate in order to survive. That even if we stop pumping out CO2e - and no, our output is still accelerating - the feedback loops that are kicking off across the planet will push us into +12-16℃ of warming without any more input from us.
You know what happens at +12-16℃ of warming? A Venus Scenario.
And we are now discovering credible evidence that warming has kicked into overdrive in the last 2-3 years, in that we will see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50. Think +3℃ by some time in the late 2030s, and +4℃ by the 2050s.
And you know what will happen at +4℃? The extinction of megafauna - anything over 45Kg - planet-wide. Including humans.
Fun times.
- I'm well aware that things are going to get dire. Venus by Tuesday, if the fish can be trusted.
I read collapse for a good while. Same story. Just spiraling into depression and fear for the present and future. The worst part is not really knowing how quickly it will all go. If it was quick I’d just prepare for a life not worth living as things implode into anarchy. Starving or being killed by marauding thieves isn’t a great place to be. If it were longer term maybe buying a piece of land and preparing for intermittent utilities and food supplies might be an option. The not knowing is the worst part, and yeah, the willful blindness to just “get mine” while they can and ignoring how worthless it will all be when it collapses is mind boggling. No good having a million dollars to buy an apple when there are mo apples to be had.
I used to main hanging around and shitposting on /r Collapse. They had so many useful resources.
“The Earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses.”
~Utah Phillips
Inb4 pedant quibbles that "the planet itself is not dying." Yeah, but we and our fellow creatures are. It should be understood that is what Mr. Phillips meant.
The ruling class is feeding us all into a planetary autoclave, just so they can hoard more wealth. And they KNOW it.
- I think we also should consider the machine of civilization can't be stopped once started. Steering it is a monumental effort. My best guess is they don't care, or simply can't alter the course we are on.

Bordeaux today: 43°C feel like: 49°C

As an American, I thought "49° isn't that bad... Wait WTF THAT'S IN CELSIUS?!?"
Never seen temps that high before. Holy shit.
eventually these temperatures left uncontrolled would reach Estonia.
Wtf, in France? This is insane. I live in Australia where days above 40 are expected, but in FRANCE?

"We've survived record-breaking high temperatures before, we'll survive them again"

(based on an actual quote from GB News, a Fox News wannabe)

if you can read this, that means u are still alive, so you will survive the next one too, surely
Breaking news : Surviving record-breaking high temperatures once makes you immortal !
Sounds like someone doesn't understand the concept of breaking records.
- Sounds like you're just salty my cancer is at an all-time high and yours isn't.
- Or maybe they're the kind that looks at records as numbers to be beaten
30p once claimed that coal is a renewable fuel source because it comes from trees.
- The carboniferous period would be rolling in its grave if we hadn't dug it up.

Nah but we're getting rid of the NASA satellites that monitor this so we won't see climate change anymore

"If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any," Trump asserted.
- He's so smart

I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”

They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.

"Its a natural solar cycle" is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn't make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the 'grand solar minimum' of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
- At least one of the conservatives I know believes the dinosaurs died in a great biblical flood. This is powerful "you can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into" energy.
  We need to do a better job teaching kids physics. Imo since trump laid off so many scientists my thought would be to send them all to schools and churches as guest speakers for science.
All the boomers who retired in Florida are paying the price.
Love watching videos where they cry about their special assessments due to insurance spikes exposing how under funded their HoAs among other idiotic behaviours they are known to engage in as "property owners"
There is some justice in the world.
Social security Queens ain't rich enough to take these hits... They assumed they were in the club 🤡

50.5 C is 123 F
41.8 C is 107 F

edit : downvotes, really ? For helping people who are used to another scale??

You're making it worse now the numbers are bigger. Converted into Kelvin and then we'll be okay.
- bigger numbers scarier
  convert it into kelvin to be more okay
  .<
  Something's funky here.

"It's only going to get worse."

That's the theme going forward for humanity. The older I get, the more I realize humans just aren't intelligent enough, as a whole, to adapt to a world changing at an ever increasing rate, requiring a larger percentage of humanity to work in unison to accomplish goals.

It's looking more and more like we're a failed experiment.

It's not about intelligence, it's about mass manipulation starting from the youngest age. Intelligence isn't an inherent trait, it is taught. And the system has been perfected to ingrain fear and ignorance or apathy and tiredness in our minds.
It's not about the species being "stupid", that narrative is part of the poison that manipulates us, and is ultimately, an incredibly stupid thing
- If I put my hand on a stove. It hurts. I learn not to do that again.
  If I live in a region that has been controlled by a specific party for generations and life sucks, and I keep voting for that party, then I'm stupid.
  If I'm suffering the effects of global warming after professionals have spent decades telling me it was happening, and I choose to continue ignoring it, I'm stupid.
  You're trying to absolve ADULTS from the responsibility of self-education. Of learning from experience.
  There's a lot of misinformation out there. But adults shouldn't be waiting for someone to tell them what to think. It's their responsibility to learn from obvious mistakes. There are plenty of people in history that have left organized religion because they learned, through experience, that it was bullshit. That means anyone that isn't willfully ignorant can do the same.
Our selfish survival instincts that allowed us to get to where we are now will also be our downfall.
- We didn't get here through selfishness though. That's the saddest thing. Human development has always been inherently cooperative. The tribe survived what killed the individual.
  I'm not denying humans can be selfish. But societal selfishness on the scale we have now has to be enforced on some subliminal level in my opinion.

Meanwhile, OPEC and one of the most dangerous countries in the world: "Drill, baby, drill! Burn, baby, burn!"

trump is bought by the fossil fuel industry. it doesn't make sense for the US to not import solar panels. cheap energy drives manufacturing, and solar is cheap.
- It's simple: there aren't any "big solar" companies that could pay trump or most politicians more than big oil (chevron, bp, shell, exxon) companies do.

I'm surprised there has been so little ecoterrorism in response to climate change.

I was expecting some kind of analog to the terrorist groups of the 70s in Europe for sure. But all the violence is coming from the other side.
Have you read The Ministry for the Future? Pretty much that plot line. People just get fed up and take it into their own hands. I liked it.
Even though I understood what you meant and think you mean well, I have to say that I hate this word. Terrorism refer to "mass killing innocent civilians" to terrorise everyone. Those referred to by that word are not killing anyone, they are merely destroying inanimate objects or blocking roads... Nobody is terrorised by them, nobody fear for their life after their actions. We should call them "ecoactivists", or something like that.

"Global warming" was always a weak formulation of the problem, and "climate change" is even weaker. I prefer "Anthropogenic runaway global heating" which has the handy acronym ARGH.

In german the term "climate catastrophe" (Klimakatastrophe) is used more and more often.
I like it when people use ecocide. Like ecological murder, destruction.
Words are important!
- Good word, but needs more connotation of "suicide" as well.

Krakatoa dropped the global temperature by a degree for several years. All we need is multiple Krakatoa scale eruptions to solve this problem forever!

/S

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection
Either we will choose these temporary measures to buy more time or billions will die.
It is a matter of time until we try it.
- I would suggest mining asteroids, using the material to craft thin foil mirrors with 3 axis gyroscopes then positioning them at L1 Lagrange in order to selectively reduce incoming solar radiation to a safe, custom level, but obviously our ruling psychopaths will simply use it to block light to countries that don't pay up, and to focus it on countries to burn away undesirables.
  And of course then we'll all have to pay a sunlight bill.
- Or we could put a wide brim hat on the earth
- "We tried it and it worked so we can just keep doing it forever, problem solved!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpOIPb1_aCU
I think that sort of thing has been suggested
- It has, it's basically the field of geoengineering

Welp. Good thing I’m gonna die.

That's what the politicians think too.

The rich decided they will just relocate to cooler zones and leave climate refugees to die. That is why the US is trying to take Greenland and co-opt Canada. Also why border security is getting so much attention. Climate refugees will be a major issue in the future between rising seas and unlivable heat zones.

People are disenfrenchised. Why should they care more about the weather than the medical system, corruption, wild animals or all the other problems. People know, they are just trained to not get involved.

Showing the problem trains them to ignore it more. What they need is confidence in their own abilities.

Why should they care more about the weather
Because this weather directly leads to forest fires, floods and storms that can seriously ruin their life.
- What life. Speaking for the US, our country is being dismantled by Nazis and half the country seems blissfully unaware.
- Sure, and apart from maybe bringing a temporary headline from some dramatic act of eco-terrorism, what's the average person's options at their disposal?
  Granted, you're posting from a European account (hi from the US where this issue is even worse), but at the civilian level with people who do not have the capital or political influence to interrupt the engine of society, why risk anything by trying? For such marginal effect?

It's not that I don't pay attention or try to conserve energy, but I'm so powerless to affect real change. It kills me to be raising children in this world.

Exactly. You try to conserve water and use less power to try to help the planet, meanwhile Elon Musk is burning several million tons of gas to run Grok.
Try out meat free Mondays.
They'll stop factory farming so much if less people buy meat.
- Nah, they'll just start a new anti-vegan anti-vegetarian campaign and everyone will eat it up.
I feel you, I'm in the same boat. They constantly preach this shit at us but without major systemic change we're fucked. So we get to just listen to people blasting it continuously stressing us out on the incoming Armageddon with little else we can do except 'hurr eat less meat and make sure to recycle!'

Work from home, buy less stuff, eat less meat, and most importantly throw all billionaires feet first into a wood chipper.

The problem is real. the past few years it's been raining as much as snowing during polar night in northern Norway.

There was the theory I read last year about billionaires not giving a shit that the world is getting worse because they were building bunkers and yachts and hoarding resources.
Knowing what I know about religious folks who also actively push for the end of the world to fight with angels or some shit, it checks out.
1 billion people doing a major life change would move the needle in fixing the world. But you can also get the same results with a few billionaires.
Sure but walking home is gonna do jack shit, we gotta focus on the wood chipper part
- Work from home. You know, naked from the waist down during zoom meetings, etc.

I know I'm gonna get shit for this, but I'm tired of being reminded of this ten times over when I feel the most powerless to stop it than I've ever felt in my life. Now more than ever, all I see is a neighboring government undoing the little progress that we've made in the past decades I've spent worrying. I no longer see the way out like I used to. This only makes me feel miserable.

I no longer see the way out like I used to.
Don't worry, the next step is not even caring about it.
Is it worse for the world? Yes.
Is it easier on you, personally? Absolutely.
Regards for like 30 years people kept saying I worry too much. I could never let go. Never. Then something broke a few months ago or smth.
And this is what I look like now.
Apathy is the greatest weapon of the oppressor. It fucking got me. Don't let it get you, if possible.
- https://thenib.com/this-is-not-fine/
I've been there man. What I can say that helped me is doing things myself. It's small, and people are quick to say what's the point, but I get immensely satisfaction whenever I turn off fossil fuels to another appliance. I rarely drive now, I bike, I do any little thing I can. Will it save everyone? Probably not. But I'm doing what I can, and it helps me.

If they posted the temperature in Farenheit maybe they could get Americans on board

Yes, but even in the US I can recognize that 50°C is literally halfway to boiling (from freezing).
... You're right though, it still took longer to get an intuitive sense than 122°F would have.
"ayo 50 degrees? that just about autumn weather! these damn europeans are stoopid!"

Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same.

Currently slacking off at work because, why work when we're quite literally cooked?

I am currently slacking at work because it is meaningless nonsense
also we coooooked

If we destroy enough satellites, it'll all go away. Believe me!

I live in SW france, +40°C today, 3 months with barely a drop of rain. It's pretty obvious this region is going to look like Extremadura in a decade or 3.

Most Americans thinking in Fahrenheit are gonna think this doesn't look so bad.

Just multiply by 9/5 and add 32 and the horror becomes apparent.
EDIT: added rest of formula because I'm an idiot
- Don't forget to add 32 afterwards
- I usually just multiply by 2, subtract 10%, and then add 32. Usually easier than 9/5 and gives same result.
Yeah 50 degrees still seems kind of chilly
- 50 is "cook an egg on the hood of your car" weather, lol.

Yeah, this battle is, unfortunately, lost. It is now too late to stop what is coming. Keep in mind that the effects we're witnessing are from emissions 10-20 years ago, and the global total continues to rise and will likely continue for the foreseeable future. If you haven't yet, don't procreate. If you have already, don't continue to.

That doesn't mean we should stop trying for a better world however.
- I'm not implying we shouldn't try. I'm advocating a realistic view of the situation. Too many have their heads in the sand.
- The Ministry of The Future is a great book.
The rich and powerful want us to give up. Mitigation is still possible.
The propaganda has gone from:
"It doesn't exist"
to
"Okay, it does exist, but it isn't caused by humans."
to
"Okay, it is caused by humans, but it's too late to do anything about it now!"
Each one of those has been a lie that serves those in power. Don't buy it.
- I'm not sure why you made two different comments, but ok.
  This is exactly what I'm talking about, denial of reality. I'm not talking about propaganda, I'm talking about the science. I've been paying attention for the last 25 years, and we've unfortunately hit a point where massive suffering and death are inevitable due to inaction.
If you haven't yet, don't procreate. If you have already, don't continue to.
Or go all out and let evolution sort it out.

The problem is that ordinary people can only do so much to prevent climate change, any real impact can only come from above, by goverment regulations and the ultra rich following those regulations and doing their part, unfortunately the filthy rich control the government and they would rather take 16 min flights in their private jets, the planet be damned

The problem is deeper: I doubt any single government can stop the climate change, and any international agreements are doomed to fail because someone would say they are getting the short end of the stick with green stuff and nothing in return. Plus there would be no accountability for not meeting the targets.

Can we ban the phrase "politics isn't my thing"? Saying it is punishable by 1 hour in the nearest town stockade.

Where they are subjected to nothing but municipal regional and national legislature recordings

I need F to understand these images.

I think the 1% get it, they simply don’t care. It’s too hard, so, they’ll drink up as much money as they can from the rest of us to invest in bunkers from which they will watch the rest of the world burn.

The way that Capitalism is set up, is that if you care about anything long-term whatsoever - even long-term profits - you'll still be put out of business by the psychopath who is laser-focused on the next quarterly earnings announcement.
A lot of species extinctions happened because natural selection took them down a blind alley and left them there to get pulped.
50C is 122F. 43C is 109F.
I always wonder how long they think they will survive after they make it through the apocalypse in their bunkers.
- At least through the next quarter or two, which is what matters
- Plus their security team will NOT be loyal. They'll likely put them in shackles or just straight kill them
41 is fucking hot, Sydney (Australia) gets 1-5 of these a year.. 50 I can’t even imagine
- I've experienced it. At that heat, the wind isn’t a relief. It’s like the burst of heat from opening your oven. True misery.

If it's not heat waves, it's several days of hard rain, dirty water swirling round your hips, and the constant threat of leptospirosis or rat shit disease.

Might as well live in the moment then

Get some native tree seedings and start planting then in your urban environment where you can

I got a ''low air quality'' alert on my phone. I live in the middle of nowhere. But I can't see the mountains from all the ash in the sky. This is no longer novel to me.

When it'll be too bad they'll say something like: "you mean poors! YOU have destroyed climate, so NOW we do not allow you do own anything and we'll monitor and restrict your use of everything to make sure you live in misery and stay unimpactful, while we can chill on our yachts and SAVE the WORLD. Be THANKFUL to us, the world would BURN without our action."

The line can't go down, and if climate itself dare to stop the growth, they better stop climate change.

I moved further north in Japan from Tokyo. I think we hit 38 as a max last year. So far, I've seen 35 this year, but I'm afraid where we might end up. We had weeks without rain at my place finally ending a few days ago. I'm scared.

It's been unusually wet and cold in New England NSW. (edit: New South Wales, Australia) Seems to make some sense with extra heat meaning extra water in the air, meaning more water to fall out of the air when it hits the 1.4km high great dividing range.

It seems China also copping extra water.

Changing air currents and AMOC / SMOC also causing some interesting changes in weather distribution.

New England North South West seems confusingly named.
- Ha, I'm in N.E., and I don't understand it.
- Yeah when England ~~took over~~ ‘discovered’ Australia and decided to lack imagination on names
yeah, higher temperature makes everything more wet in general. consider the tropical areas near the equator, they're the wettest regions on earth.
- And water vapour acts as a greenhouse gas, so there's one of many catastrophic feedback loops
- they’re the wettest regions on earth.
  Not according to your mom last night.
We better build a wall, summer is coming. We can staff it with convicts and keep all the illegals out who were unfortunate enough to buy land in the wrong states.
- You want to wall off Victoria and Queensland?

"yeah but if humans didn't cause it, it's not our fault so we don't have to do anything. it's natural"

That's where the argument has landed and where it will stick.

Just north of Seattle yesterday I was in my living room and the thermostat was 81 degrees. I was dying. I thought for a sec...if this gets to 100 we're just going to cook. But then I realized its still Fahrenheit. But wow! 50C is just such a crazy temp to even try staying alive in. That's fly away weather right there.

If you're upset that a handful of corporations are 90% culpable for this, make them 99%. Then never stop pointing that out to others sharing your sacrifice. Find strength in that unity.
And importantly, realize that corporations are not 100% responsible. So many people think it's 100% corps and that their individual actions, even in rich consumerism driven countries have no impact

I believe in man made climate change, just not from burning fossil fuels. Now let me tell you about the promise of geoengineering...

Stop. Eating. Animals. Today.
It's not the solution, but is the easiest step everyone can take. No solution will ever be enough without us changing this habit.

The solution is stop having children. It's far more effective than changing diet, living car free, recycling, et al combined.
- And killing yourself is very effective
Also: stop using airplanes

I was dimly aware that Norway can be warm in the summers, but for the northern parts of it to hit 34.3C is just batshit. That's hotter than most days in Singapore.

But big strong car goes vroom vroom!

Oh good! That makes me very happy.

Possibly the only good idea ever conceived by Bill Gates was to release fine chalk dust into the upper atmosphere. We could even attach delivery systems to passenger jets so they release the dust at 30,000 feet which is cruising altitude, so this is done automatically with every flight. Chalk dust is non-toxic and even helps some plants grow. But leftists and "indigenous groups" (aka leftist groups wearing a mask) complained about it being a bad idea.

If we can't terraform Earth, how the hell do we ever move off-world and colonize other planets? This is the easiest world we will ever get to terraform and if we can't do it here, we sure as hell won't do it anywhere else.

Chalk dust is non-toxic, but it's not safe to inhale in large quantities.
Adding calcium carbonate to soil increases its alkalinity and fucks with trees.
This is a good example of a simple, easy to understand solution to a complex problem that's completely wrong. It's the opposite concept to KISS. Terraforming is not simple or easy to understand because of the possible side effects.