Proton releases a new app for two-factor authentication

Fantastic, wish they prioritised stuff like this instead of AI but at least it's here now. Now please make a dedicated contacts app so I can stop using Google contacts too!
- Yeah, I also was disappointed that proton wallet was for crypto and not credit cards. Unless someone can recommend an alternative to Google wallet, preferably from F-Droid
  
  Google Wallet is not so much a "wallet" for your cards but a way to link your cards to their own payment service, Google Pay.
  Both Apple and Google had a lot of problems convincing banks to accept their respective services, and even then many stores still don't support this payment method. A company with the clout and size of Proton has no chance to get their own service widely accepted.
  
  Same, if they made a wallet for cards then I'd actually use my phone to pay for stuff
  
  The FSF (and RMS himself) wanted an alternative for online payments for ages, without crypto. An anonymous buffer layer between your payment method, like a credit card, and the vendor. I believe something was eventually released but it never took off, because unlike something like a NFC Wallet, vendors would have to natively support GNU's version.
  
  I started using Curve since I swapped to Graphene. Upsides: it's not google and it works fine. Downsides: it's a free as in beer app that (I assume) is selling my data.
  I've read that Monzo used to have their own NFC payment app, but it looks like that isn't around anymore and they just integrate with Google Pay now. If anyone knows more about it I would love to hear it.

BitWarden is F(antastic)OSS.
- Aegis ia even better
  
  How? BitWarden has great 2FA, but is also a password manager with good integrations, group sharing, etc. Plus when you log in with it, it auto-copies the 2fa to clipboard.
  Assuming you've used both, so what does Aegis bring to the table? Wondering if I should try it.
- 2fa only for paying customers, no? I mean, I pay because it's dirt cheap for tge convenience they offer but still no free 2fa
  
  Bitwarden authenticator is free for non-paying customers too.
  
  2fa is free

Been using Aegis on android and managing my own backups but maybe switch or use for things I care less for just for simplicity
- yes Aegis is awesome
- Did anyone catch what the Proton app adds over all the already existing apps?
  
  Looks like it has encrypted sync and desktop apps too, so that's nice if you need stuff on multiple devices.

This is a more welcome addition than that stupid AI chatbot slop machine.
But I would still like to see them release Proton Drive for Linux already.
- I wouldn't mind not having a native Linux drive client if they didn't block rsync, which used to work, and now does not. What a stupid decision.

Ehhhh but they already have this in Proton Pass?
E: found this in the FAQ
Proton Pass is a password manager designed to securely generate and store strong passwords, and protect your digital identity with features like email alises and dark web monitoring. It also includes an integrated authenticator that can store and autofill 2FA codes - but not the ones used to log in to your Proton account. Proton Authenticator is a standalone 2FA app that allows users to enable 2FA protection for their Proton account, it also allows users to store their 2FA codes separate from their passwords if they wish to do so.
If you already use Proton Pass, I think I'd recommend Ente Auth instead. That's what I use.
- You really should not keep your MFA codes in the same place as your passwords, especially if you are syncing those passwords between devices and/or a cloud service.
  
  Yes that's why I said:
  If you already use Proton Pass, I think I'd recommend Ente Auth instead
- Thank you for your comment. I was also confused initially before reading properly. I thought, 'What? But isn't the Proton 2FA thing paid? What do they gain by making it free?' It seems that most people are not willing to use this new app, though. Ente, Aegis, whatever the alternative is, there doesn't seem to be a reason to use this new authenticator from Proton instead. I wonder what their goal is here. Is it simply to expand their app 'ecosystem'?
  
  There are ads in the app for Proton Pass, so that's my best guess.
- It is very wise to store your 2FA codes separately from your general login credentials. If one is breached, the other protects it (hence, two factor). If both are breeched, your account is hosed.
  Same deal when setting up 2FA on an account and they provide some 'one time use' 2FA codes, they generally say 'do not store these with your standard password credentials - keep them secure and separate'.
  
  Correct. However it's worth noting that passwords are almost always compromised server-side. So 2FA is far more a mitigation of data breaches from the provider, rather than your password manager being breached.

Why its not available as apk or aab or on fdroid?
Promoting play store?
- What's more, they talk up how it's open source and then don't link to the repo.
  Here it is, BTW:
  https://github.com/protonpass/android-authenticator
  
  I saw it, of cource they didnt publish no apk or aab. I dont think a lot of people will compile from the source code, maybe like 0.05% of users

Hmm... I'm not sure about having an authenticator app on a desktop computer.
Like you are putting all your eggs in one basket. Password managers, and your emails already go to one place for authentication. Adding an authenticator means if your computer is compromised, a person can have access to more accounts.
I always figured this is why desktop authenticator apps aren't a thing.
- The alternative for people who want a convenience factor is putting it all in the same location. For example, the only thing Authy for desktop closing did for me was make it so I no longer had an isolated app for both 2FA and passwords, because now it's just all in my password manager.
  I don't always have my phone on me 24x7, so the inability to access things on my desktop is a massive nope for me.
  The way I looked at it, it's no different than having a mobile device with a password manager on it, because if someone steals your mobile device, they have access to everything as well. So the two-factor authentication apps shouldn't be on desktop argument never made sense to me, mobile is the same way.
  This application might make me go back into having the two isolated systems, because it removes the massive inconvenience factor
  
  So the two-factor authentication apps shouldn't be on desktop argument never made sense to me, mobile is the same way.
  I think that argument was rooted in the assumption that the phone was a separate and smaller attack surface. The assumption is reasonable if you use your credentials mostly on desktop and only have a few apps on your phone, which was indeed the case for a lot of people in the past.
  But nowadays, a lot of people use the same credentials on the phone just as well, and with everything asking to install their app, I'm not sure the attack surface really is smaller anymore. So, if you're in this scenario, I agree with you that you may not be sacrificing much by having 2FA on desktop.
  And, of course, 2FA, even in the same password manager, is still better than none. Your first factor can be stolen in more ways than just compromising your machine, for example through data breaches.
  
  The way I looked at it, it’s no different than having a mobile device with a password manager on it, because if someone steals your mobile device, they have access to everything as well. So the two-factor authentication apps shouldn’t be on desktop argument never made sense to me, mobile is the same way.
  That is true. And more phones are stolen now than computers. Computers can have the same security and encryption if properly configured.
  Even though you make a logical point, something in my gut doesn't feel right.
- Well hopefully the 2FA data is encrypted and the app requires a pin or password to access.
  Plus my password manager also needs a pin after it times out, and my computers all have their drives encrypted too.
  It's plenty to stop casual thieves and such.
- Absolutely. 2FA codes (and 2FA 'single use codes' / recovery codes) should not be stored in the same system that manages your usernames and passwords - it defeats the purpose of 2FA.
  But most people will just breeze past advice and do whatever is most convenient.
  
  I don’t view it as simply compromised or not. How a password is compromised is relevant. The vast majority of issues aren’t somebody gaining access to your logged in machine. Passwords are nearly always compromised from a server mishandling data.
  That means in most cases 2FA near a password is not likely to be an issue. I’m not saying I recommend it, but it does change the risk evaluation.
  
  I am (was?) one of those. Working on eliminating or changing the passwords and emails of my 550+ accounts. I'm creating a simplelogin email for each of the ones I'm keeping, setting up a randomly generated password for each as well (24+ characters long with every possible character available), trying to delete the accounts of services I don't want/need anymore, and then setting up 2fa on Aegis if they don't accept a hardware tokens.
  But it's an intense and long process, though absolutely worth it. With work and personal life, I'm guessing I can be done in a couple of weeks.
- No company phone = Me using a desktop app for work related 2FA.
  Not my problem.

I've been meaning to get rid of Google Authenticator. Think I'm gunna go do that today. :)
- Consider Aegis if you want an offline and secure alternative.
  
  Aren't all 2FA apps offline compatible?

I guess it's kinda nice. They already had this in Proton Pass, but I guess not all accounts have access to that as a bundle maybe?
- Proton Pass is a password manager designed to securely generate and store strong passwords, and protect your digital identity with features like email alises and dark web monitoring. It also includes an integrated authenticator that can store and autofill 2FA codes - but not the ones used to log in to your Proton account. Proton Authenticator is a standalone 2FA app that allows users to enable 2FA protection for their Proton account, it also allows users to store their 2FA codes separate from their passwords if they wish to do so.
  Seems like basically an ad platform/gateway to Pass.

fuck yeah, goodbye authy
- Why? What’s wrong with Authy? I use it, Proton and Bitwarden. I could consolidate everything into Proton, but I’m concerned about having everything with one vendor.
  
  Not op, but for me the main problem with Authy is that it is owned by an American company.
  It's not the worst offender, but any American company is subject to the whims of the current administration. As an example, we're currently seeing how American sanctions lock people out of their Microsoft accounts at the International Court.
  I've slowly been moving over my 2FA codes to Aegis.
  
  as above trying to get away from american services, it’s really, youtube, google maps and iphone are only things im stuck with

Is proton legit? I always see mix comments about them.
- It’s legit. The negative comments are because the CEO supports US Republican politicians which is a red flag, but there haven’t been any operational reasons to not trust them that I’m aware of.
  
  Doesn't support republican politicians. Congratulated the anti-big-tech appointment by a republican politician (Trump).
  
  There are no very clear reasons to distrust proton, but is it just me that finds them releasing a 2FA app kinda disturbing? Like, why waste the resources? What could they do better than Aegis, which is already FOSS and privacy preserving? If there is no reason, than I have to wonder if the hidden reason is to get more data into their ecosystem. Which a privacy focused company shouldn't care about.
  I am probably just paranoid but I don't trust Proton.
  
  Just like Tesla. Its AOKAY to jump into a new company even if the CEO is a crazy racist.
- It works, has minor quirks, but it has replaced a lot of things for me, switched from Google gmail, drive, and calendar to Protons and it has been good. (Though the whole Lumo AI release move confused me) Oh yeah VPN too, well for other countries, still use my wireguard vpn when traveling.
  But personally, I'mma continue sticking to Aegis as my authenticator app. (Can't recommend it enough)
  
  Aegis is my go-to. But I also have two phones - my personal Pixel and a work-issued iPhone. I need 2FA on my work phone, but Aegis doesn't support iOS. Proton came through here. It's open-source, too.

That’s amazing

Netflix doesn’t have 2FA

I currently have all of my 2FA codes in Pass except for my Proton account itself, which I have in Aegis, backing up to my home server.
It looks like you can easily export from Aegis to Proton Authenticator and you can use PA without a Proton account, which I think I might do. I don't want to use my PA app with my Proton account to hold my Proton account 2FA code. I'll end up locked out of the house with the keys inside.

Wow an OTP app.
Maybe a QR creation app is next?

Ehm… you guys know that behind ~~all~~ many major VPN companies there’s the isræli government right?
EXPOSED: HOW ISRAELI SPIES CONTROL YOUR VPN
- But few people know that a considerable chunk of that market—including three of the six most popular VPNs—is quietly operated by an Israeli-owned company with close connections to that country’s national security state,
  But we're not gonna tell you which ones!
  
  Yeah, not good of them to not share that information.
  But for anyone who's wondering, here's a decent article that goes over the shady companies that discretely own most VPNs apps.
  Amusingly, and kind of in counterpoint to the guy who you replied to, this article concludes that Proton is actually a solid VPN option that isn't beholden to one of those sketchy VPN-hoarding companies. Though they don't talk about any Israeli influence in Proton TBF. But still, on a general level (excluding the Israel/Palestine thing), Proton seems like one of the better options.
  They also recommend Mullvad as a good option. I've never used them, but I've seen mentioned positively in other articles about VPNs.
  ETA: Clarity.
- No, we don't know that. And neither do you.
  
  Ehm… no i do.
- Ehm… you guys know that behind all major VPN companies there’s the isræli government right?
  Okay. proceeds to check article
  Kape Technologies
  This is why you research the VPN provider prior to making your purchase, read their privacy policies, their EULA, their TOS, the companies history.
  If it reads like the Bible skip over it.
  ProtonVPN, iVPN and Mullvad have no association with this article whatsoever.
  
  No, Proton specifically has no confirmed association, I agree. So I trust them? No. I see too many signs, too many people recommending it online, too many all-connected services. For me, this is a recipe for disaster and I’m not here to be lied to my face again.
  Not the first time for the very neutral state
  According to a Swiss parliamentary investigation, "Swiss intelligence service were aware of and benefited from the Zug-based firm Crypto AG’s involvement in the US-led spying".
  More info
  On a related note, we have also had people ask us about Proton Mail’s official position regarding the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli conflict and whether working with an Israeli company means we are taking sides in this conflict. The answer is NO. As a Swiss company, we adhere to a policy of strict neutrality
  I don’t know about you guys but this 👆 is enough for me.
- Justifiable concerns - luckily neither proton nor Mullvad are on that list.
  
  I trust Mullvad just because they have been raided. That is the only real proof they don’t keep logs. Deloitte reports are toilet paper.
  Proton? We should trust Andy. Ooook
- its a shit article xD
  i searched for a bit and even found a wiki article. the firm is kape technologies i guess?
  "On September 13, 2021, Kape acquired ExpressVPN,[24][29] raising concerns based on Kape Technologies' predecessor Crossrider's history of making tools that were used for adware.[30][31][32][33]"
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Sagi#Kape_Technologies
  i try to not use israeli tech or noneuro tech anyway and wasnt affected, but interesting to know nonetheless. data sovernity is important.