6个月前

Greta Thunberg departs Israel on flight to Paris after detention aboard aid ship

www.cnn.com Greta Thunberg departs Israel on flight to Paris after detention aboard aid ship | CNN

Swedish climate and human rights activist Greta Thunberg departed Israel on a flight to France after being detained by Israeli forces aboard an aid ship bound for Gaza.

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EDIT: Kidnapping. The word you're ignoring in the title is kidnapping.
- They put it in quotes.
  
  Funny how they are careful with words when they were literally on international water.
- When the UN doesn’t stop the Israeli’s from declaring it a conflict zone. It’s technically not kidnapping. Just like how the US abducted people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  
  No. They never entered anywhere Israel is legally allowed to exclude even in war It being full of aid and verifiable non combatants.
  It's kidnapping.
  Just like how the US abducted people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  Your example is also kidnapping but even excluding that bit of nuance the key word is "in" they never entered territorial waters and thus were never "in" Israel or Palestine. Israel can declare 1500mi of the coast of Somalia an exclusion zone then kidnap people there and that would make just as much sense in a legal view.
- Captured or arrested is the word you're actually looking for. Or, as it currently stands, released.
- Y'all are delusional trying to make 'kidnapping" a thing 🤣
  
  What would you call intercepting someone in international waters and taking them back to your country without their consent? If Somali pirates did that you'd have no qualms using the word 'kidnapped'.
  
  They was jailed for navigating on internal water. It is illegal therefore it's abduction
- Yeah it's real typical for kidnappings to be publicly known, announced in advance and then the victim safetly returned promptly, entirely unharmed. Im sure you can fram it as a kidnapping with some backflips, but you just look like a whiny child. She was captured and held unlawfully sure, but if it was actually for humanitarian aid and not self publicity, i might have some sympathy.
  
  So if somali pirates would just take the ship and send the crew back home it would all be good?
  You're having an interesting opinion here.
  
  Can't really agree with you on this one. I would welcome and fight for more people doing the right thing for personal benefit. Seems a lot better than the current circumstances.
  
  She was kidnapped then released while other are still in jail for doing nothing illegal

She could do the funniest thing now and get on the next humanitarian boat back.
Edit: me do grammar poorly
- She already said that she'd do just that. Let's see how fast they'll let her leave next time. If at all.
  
  That's what the internet already screamed last time
  Some people don't want to accept reality doesn't fit their worldview
- I know it's stupid, but I have this nagging thought that they should use a narco sub next time.
  
  That will give them an excuse to just bomb them
  
  Cute idea. But unfortunately not practical. For something as valuable/kg as cocaine, you can go to the trouble of using a narco sub. But there's zero chance such a sub could practically carry cheap bulky goods like flour, rice, etc.
  You might be able to use them to smuggle in medicines though.
- You a word.

Uncommonly fast for Israel.
- Probably because they dont want to turn her into a martyr...
  Alternatively its because killing a white western girl with a recognisable name is more difficult to justify over here and they are VERY aware of this
  
  I truly believe that they were ready to murder her before they saw the reaction she was getting and realized it would have backfired tremendously.
  
  See guys Isreal's above something as terrible as killing a white person
  No but in all seriousness I think they were ready to kill her before they saw how popular she is
  
  Didn't stop them with this one. https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106819/us-israel-american-woman-shooting-west-bank
  
  Another reason would probably be she's too old for IDF scumbags, murdering any child above 12 yo doesn't do it for them.
  
  I figured it was a North Korea / Blazing Saddles move.
  
  There are plenty of right-wingers in the west (including several politicians) who would love to see her ~~unalived.~~ killed.
- Probably wanted to get her gone fast before one of the many psychopaths in their army got to her and created an incident they'd have to transparently lie about, then ignore. It's tough being the most moral army in the world.
  
  100%
  She is too high profile to have around the grunts, also is a very vocal woman who isn't afraid to upset authority. One pissed off murderer that feels slighted ends up doing something to her and that's a mountain which can't be made into a mole hill like they have been doing.
- They did it for PR. The other who refused to sign paper that will make them look like they entered israel legally are still abducted in jail

Adalah, an Israel-based non-governmental legal organization that is representing some of the activists, said that those who remain are being held in Givon Prison in Ramleh, central Israel.
So grab the passengers of a boat in international wares and jail them in Israel. 😒
In a statement to CNN, Israel said that it “is preventing the entry of all vessels into the Gaza Strip, in accordance with international law.”
Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?
- The ship was nowhere near Gaza. They were off the coast of Egypt in International waters. Israel just kidnapped a bunch of people. Also they only released Greta? What about the other people?
  
  The others refused to be sent back to France, as they would have to agree to be permanently banned from Israel.
  
  Greta is one of four activists that have been sent home. According to Israel only those four signed the papers neededfor it and the rest are expected to be sent home after a court have ruled they can. Basically the remaining 8 activists reportedly chose not to give Israel the easy way of getting rid of them. I don’t have any English news sources though, as I read it in a newspaper in my native language.
- "It's not safe to sail into an active genocide."
  
  but someone must
- Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?
  Since Gaza is an open air prison under the control of Israel and not recognized as an independent state we can blockade it all we want.
  Best I got.
  Really hard to justify genocide.
  
  Palestine is not a recognized country in most of the western world, which in itself is a travesty, but you can probably infer a lot of bs from that.
  Like claiming a certain religious group has no human rights bc they're not recognized as humans.
- They were running a blockade. Being arrested was the point.
- They declared war, they are allowed to enct vlockades according to international law.
  
  They declared war? So they recognize a Palestinian state and Gaza as part of that states territory? They recognize Hamas as the government of Gaza?
  Meanwhile the ICJ ruled that the blockade of Gaza amounts to a de facto occupation, well before Oct. 7. Furthermore the ICJ ruled that this occupation is illegal. So Israel is obliged to end the occupation, including the blockade as well as having the obligation to provide for the people under its occupation. An obligation which Israel also violates by the blockade.
  On top of that there has been multiple rulings of preliminary measures Israel has to take to prevent the risk of a genocide being committed against the Palestinian people. The key obligation again being unhindered access for humanitarian aid.
  Nothing of what Israel is doing is legal by international law.
  
  Enact blockades in international waters?
  
  International law doesn't permit the blockading of humanitarian aid. Israel was allowed to board and inspect the vessel, but not block it from entry.

What an anemic headline. How did she become detained? By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters. CNN is a tool of the oligarchs.
- It is known. CNN has always been lib slop
  
  It's actually gotten worse. The management of CNN changed recentlyish and has been pushing CNN more to the right. I think it was to increase viewership, but ultimately just means the quality (not that it was very high to begin with) has dropped.
- Intercepting a ship that intends to run a blockade in international waters is legal according to international law. The flotilla had stated its intention repeatedly and were warned several times before being intercepted and finally boarded.
  
  That assumes the blockade is legal though? Has an international court that is recognized by the ship’s flag country declared the legality of the blockade?
- By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters.
  you might disagree with what's happening but this was legal. Israel has a blockade there
  
  It's a really good example of how abuse and evil can often be legal while doing what's right can often be illegal.

I honestly didn't expect her to survive this one. She made it publicly known what she was doing so Israel couldn't say it was a normal bombing of transport ships. But I figured they would use her as an example and destroy the ship.
- One person on board with her is a European Union member of parliament from France. That provides a lot more protection than Greta's reputation can.
  
  Israel shot at a group of European diplomats two weeks ago and Europe did not care.
  Greta has way more clout than the European Parliament.

I'm so happy she survived! They where smart enough to let her live!

If you want to get food aid into Gaza, it might be best to smuggle it in using drones or cartel subs.

In a way sort of good news, no?
- In the sense that they didn't disappear her or murder her, yes.
- You wanna say, "Could've been worse"
  
  worse

I hate that someone recorded this without her consent.
- When you're a public figure, that's to be expected.
  Right to information here as well. It gives publicly useful infos, whether you like it or not
- How do we know it was without consent?
- Yup same, some people don't believe in some human rights, like portrait right.
- Wait... are we framing her as a kidnapped child or a POW? Gotta make sure everyone is on the same page when making propaganda about this.
  
  She’s defintely an adult. But yeah apprehended in international waters, taken to a country that she didn’t chose to enter willingly, and then deported.
  
  She's not a child and shes not a POW according to article 4 of the third Geneva convention.

Where are all the people telling me she was goinf to be tortured and killed now?
- Elated to be wrong. You see, that is how being an adult works. Sometimes you are wrong, and when you are wrong about something with a positive outcome, you are happy that you were wrong.
  
  but also, spending energy on prevention (the publicity) and then when the thing doesn’t occur saying “i guess we were wrong” is the wrong take i think
  same thing with Y2K and plenty of engineering things: people were saying “it was no big deal! yall were saying planes were going to fall out of the sky! we wasted so much time and money!”… yeah; it was a huge and expensive effort that’s why the bad things didn’t happen
- Genuinely surprised. How many others have not been so lucky?
- Ooh check out the genocide apologist, making a super strong argument about how just and honorable Israel is. So intelligent and brave! You should get a sticker from Bibi to put on your shirt.
- Public attention from them and others is why she’s being gently handled. You should thank those who raised the alarm on her behalf, not Israel.
  
  Shoehorni g reality to fit their believes it seems.
- Right here. I would have never in a million years have imagined that they would just let her go. This is an extremely surprising turn of events.
  
  Consider this: You might be misinformed about the whole situation.
- Celebrities don't get that kind of treatment.
- The last one was attacked by drones. They was a chance. Great that it didn't happen

And Palestine is now saved, THANKS GRETA!
- The fuck have you done?
  
  Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?
  What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.
- I was trying to unpack how many layers of stupid your comment is. But i felt my brain starting to rot. So i stopped.
- You have no rights to that name. The eight doctor would never spew drivvel like that.
  
  None of the doctors would do that.

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