8h ago

The White House claims California residents are in a state "of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States."

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2h ago

Presidential Memoranda to approve use of US Armed Forces against American protesters, labeling riots as an act of rebellion.

www.whitehouse.gov /presidential-actions/2025/06/department-of-defense-security-for-the-protection-of-department-of-homeland-security-functions/

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6h ago

Presidential Memoranda to approve use of US Armed Forces against American protesters, labeling riots as an act of rebellion.

www.whitehouse.gov /presidential-actions/2025/06/department-of-defense-security-for-the-protection-of-department-of-homeland-security-functions/

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8h ago

The White House claims California residents are in a state "of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States."

www.whitehouse.gov /presidential-actions/2025/06/department-of-defense-security-for-the-protection-of-department-of-homeland-security-functions/

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This is the language from the law that would permit the President to mobilize National Guard troops in a state without its Governor's consent.
Edited to add: found the law here, it's small and easy to read: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title10/html/USCODE-2011-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1211-sec12406.htm
If it is invoked, it says:
Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States
But I parse that "shall" to mean the Governor is forced to comply.
- How long until he declares Martial Law?
  
  I mean, this is technically exactly that, albeit in a much more limited scope.
  The last time this was invoked was in 1965, during civil rights demonstrations in Alabama. But the Federal Government sent in the troops to protect the demonstrators from their local police.
  https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-20/lbj-sends-federal-troops-to-alabama
  This time it's the other way around.
  
  This is the declaration of Martial Law.
- Would be interesting if there is a way that people on the right actually join the left on this since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
  
  The pattern I see is that most on "the right" here will not be able to break out of their disinformation bubble unless it affects them personally. So only the small portion who have seen someone they know ("one of the good ones") harassed by ICE will respond.
  
  They won't.
  All of their rhetoric is bullshit to obscure the fact that they hate brown people, queer people, people who aren't their religion, just anyone they're angry at, really.
  It really is that simple.
  They'll believe, to some extent, what they are saying, they'll tie themselves up in knots, but ultimately, they'll default to anything that allows them to laugh when people they think they are better than are made to suffer.
  The few that manage to resolve the cognitive dissonance and realize they are in fact hateful bigots, and that... that is bad?
  At that moment, they are no longer right wing.
  
  since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
  No it isn’t and it never was. That was the excuse they used to cover their gun fetish. They always saw themselves as the shock troops of the authoritarian takeover, and the fact that they are delighted it’s happening is confirmation.
- They will remove governors next.
  
  I thought the next step was to dissolve the Senate and have the local governors use fear to keep us in line...
  
  That is a lot harder to do, within the bounds of the law at least.
  Ironically, though, California is one of a small handful of states that allow for recall elections of all elected office holders, up to and including the Governor. Recall that Arnold Schwarzenegger became Governer there due to a recall election. So if his goal is to start ejecting Governors he doesn't like, California is a good place to start.
  But Newsom has already survived one recall attempt, and since he seems to be the Next One Up for Democrats to nominate in 2028, Trump may not be eager to run a recall campaign that might lose, because Newsom will remind everyone that he "beat Trump" on the campaign trail. (And there is no guarantee that Musk won't start tossing money at Newsom, who is enough of a schemer to accept it.)

our national guard and armed forces have a decision to make: us or them. this is your time to reject fascism.
- Many who join lean conservative. Many are trump supporters. Don't forget the numbers that voted for him and continue to support him.
  It's not going to be that easy.
  
  Not really. The military is a lot more diverse than you probably realize. It's a big melting pot. So many stories of rural Americans raised in racist environments joining the military and being exposed to all kinds of people and realizing they grew up kind of fucked up.
  Contrary to what the stereotype is. A lot of military people are pretty wise and worldly. Seeing different cultures and having to deal with the fallout of failed states. It's not like they're progressives or even Lefty's. But they're not MAGA or right either.
  This is why they've been firing lots of officers as well. If nobody is aware, the trump government has been removing many many senior leadership in the military.
  I think the move right now by the left is to build bridges for people on the right who have spent their life fearing this type of action. Need to leave open the possibility that there are people on the right who understand this isn't good. Obviously there's the trump zealots. But I bet there's a group of right wingers whose fear of government over reach supersedes support for Trump. Groups like the heritage foundation will increase not activity to suppress that mentally among them. But I think we'll start seeing them speak up if we listen.
- LoL! Of COURSE they'll Listen to the Man CUTTING their Benefits and Pay!

Microwave dispersal cannons can be blocked by a large poster covered in aluminum foil. Just be sure to attach it to a wood stake.
Sound cannons are loud enough to work through strong ear protection, but sound waves are still air pressure pulses. You can disrupt the flow of the pulse with a solid enough curved shield.
If necessary, storm matchs have their own oxidizer. You can light it and wind won't put it out. Styrofoam and gasoline is sticky. Use that information however you want
Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don't remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it's too tight, turn it some more.
Edit: most military vehicles are diesel fueled. They are pretty thirsty, so be sure to share water with them. Right in the fuel tank is good enough.
- microwave canons
  I did not know about these, but some quick searches suggest that they pose a major threat to people's eyesight as they can boil your retina before you really feel anything when used at a low strength.
  Messed up these are used at protests, fuck these fascists.
  
  Eh, from what I've watched "low strength" is still quick enough to trigger people to scatter.
  Remember, it obeys r squared, so if they use it and want it to be effective at distance, they can't reduce the strength a lot.
- If you curve the aluminium foil somehow, you can actually refelct it back. They did tests on youtube where they used a flipped riot shield and it work.
  
  Sounds like you could make a curved protest sign with plywood and then hide some foil between the plywood and a paper/cardboard layer for a fairly inconspicuous shield that can block and even reflect both microwave and sound cannons.
- Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don’t remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it’s too tight, turn it some more.
  If you're worried about blood loss, there are some online resources for how to do first aid. I think https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/ was recommended last time this came up.
  I read you need to be careful with tourniquets, because they're quite painful and if used inappropriately can cause long term damage. Used appropriately they can save a life, but you don't want them to be the first tool you reach for.
  
  That's a fair point, and thank you for linking stop the bleed
- Old spark plugs are really handy for craft projects since you can break them and make pretty mosaics
- Sound cannons are actually pretty weird, in that they don't work like you'd imagine them to work. They produce sound when multiple beams of ultrasound collide with an object, so if they're pointed at you, you're the one producing the sound that hurts you. That's why they're so effective.
  Some people online have done some tests, and thin cardboard appears to be the best way to stop them. Put the thin cardboard before you, and it stops most of the sound. It can be the cardboard from a poster, if you have one.
  Ear protection headphones (for workshops) also help, and their effectiveness is enhanced further by wearing small earplugs inside. Active noise cancelling headphones don't help and can even be counter productive, so don't use those.
  
  To be a little more pedantic, they send ultrasound frequencies and they "degrade" into regular audible sound waves when they collide with something (combination of harmonic effects and destructive / constructive interference). The reason they send ultrasound instead of using regular directional speakers is because it's smaller wavelength is easier to aim so much more of the energy moves forwards, so you don't hear much noise coming from the source itself.
  That's why they work for "crowd control". A strong enough regular speaker would bother the operator too much.
  
  The noise cancelling part was particularly fascinating. Not only was it ineffective, it amplified the sound. I think its because noise cancelling circuitry relies on the ability to create a signal frequency that cancels out the initial waveform. That's all well and good, but I think the sound cannons use separate speakers out of phase. Since the noise cancelling headphones produce a signal in phase with the first frequency detected, the microsecond slight delay causes it to be added to a subsequent phase boosting the power.
- Would hearing protection that electronically filters sound be able to cancel out sonic cannons?
  
  You cannot electronically filter out sound. That’s not what they do. They just emit the same sound they hear in the opposing phase. This is risky with sonic weapons.

Calling it...Trump declares California to be in rebellion and suspends their votes in the electoral college and congress in the next elections.
- So much other stuff will happen before then
- This doesn't read as just California. It's the whole country.
  
  Only the blue parts
- 3 months ago https://lemmy.world/comment/15443605
- Which would only intensify the situation and draw other states into the conflict.

Oh this ia what they want. They are chomping at designating leftists as enemies of the state.
- The government in general is crumbling and it's corrupt "leaders" will need to ramp up authoritarianism as the constituents begin to question it's legitimacy.
  They'll make use of dissenters by putting them in work camps, easing the need for cheap labor, and allowing the remaining population a chance at hiding from their duty to protect constitutional rights by continuing to provide material comforts.
- Always have been Abbie Hoffman is a decent example. Plus like the whole McCarthy thing.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman

Time to make that a reality.
- Exactly. No federal aid money? Fine, we won't pay federal taxes. Going to claim we're rebelling? Well, alright then.
  
  How does that happen though? It's deducted from paychecks by employers. So unless a large number of employers (especially bigger ones) have the inclination and means to block such deductions on their payroll software, it won't happen. And I don't see a lot of larger companies wanting to jump into a legal violation with the federal government.
  Edit: fixed some typos.

Sounds like it's going to be a violent summer. As soon as the first protestor gets injured or killed, this will start to spin out of control.
- Protesters already have been getting injured to the point of hospitalizations.
- L.A. County Supervisor Janice Hahn said:
  "The ICE raids across Los Angeles today are chilling. They aren't targeting violent criminals - they are sweeping up hardworking people in our communities just trying to provide for their families. These agents are armed to the teeth and it is clear their goal is to make people afraid and it's working. I understand that during this morning's raids, SEIU California President David Huerta was injured by federal agents and wrongfully detained. I am calling for his immediate release. This is a democracy. People have a right to peacefully protest, to observe law enforcement activity, and to speak out against injustice."
  https://abc7.com/post/multiple-people-detained-ice-homeland-security-agents-conduct-2-separate-investigations-la/16678559/
  Service Employees International Union California President David Huerta was injured and detained while documenting an immigration enforcement raid in downtown Los Angeles on Friday.
  Huerta, 58, was treated at a hospital and then transferred to the Metropolitan Detention Center in downtown L.A.
  “What happened to me is not about me; This is about something much bigger,” he said in a statement from the hospital. “This is about how we as a community stand together and resist the injustice that’s happening. Hard-working people, and members of our family and our community, are being treated like criminals. We all collectively have to object to this madness because this is not justice.”
  https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-06-07/immigration-raids-roil-l-a-what-you-need-to-know
  A senior DHS spokesperson sent ABC7 a statement Friday, but did not directly address the investigations at both locations.
  The statement said in part, "ICE is now following the law and placing these illegal aliens in expedited removal, as they always should have been."
  If they have a valid credible fear claim, they will continue in immigration proceedings, but if no valid claim is found, aliens will be subject to a swift deportation."
  The SEIU President David Huerta is literally the Union leader for the restaurants targeted by these raids.
  "Expedited removal" means no due process. No judge. No justice. ICE rolled in with military vehicles, ~~arrested~~ kidnapped over a hundred people in a single day, and will send them all out of the country as fast as they can without any chance to defend themselves or prove they belong here.
  They knew what would happen when they raided a city and rounded up people by the truckload. They knew it would spark protests, and in less than two days of unrest and zero dead anyone they're already sending in thousands of National Guard and talking about deploying the fucking Marines on US soil.
  They wanted this violence, and they're making it happen. This won't just be in San Diego. This won't just be protests. There will be blood. Don't let them win.
- Riot boy summer is back!

Hey national guard members, get the fuck out of the way or get steamrolled. You’re not heroes.

So the trump administration is fully admitting that the insurrection attempting to block the certification of the Presidential election 2021 on Jan 6 was open rebellion?
- They admit no such thing.
  “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” - Frank Wilhoit (not the political scientist who passed away in 2010, a younger one who is alive still).
- I know this is sarcasm but, sadly, they don't. I have talked to a few of them. Some either say it is patriot8c and others said it didn't happen.
  You can't win

Isn't this the same as saying *the government is working against the will of it's populace"

Well that’s scary holy shit this is definitely a step up on the fascism ladder

This is the beginning of a nation wide revolution, from the democrats, but the republicans are not sad about it because it push the public away. They forget, or look to California, that Trump is incompetent and they vote him. It would not be the first President, that call demonstrates criminals or revolutionary's and hunt them, to form a autocratic State.......

Can California please just withhold taxes already and put this country out of its misery?

If the White House is scared now just wait…

I wonder now what my ex-housemate thinks of Trump. He is one of those centrist types who thinks excessive power from one side needs to be counteracted by the other, but mostly pay lip service to the right. He dislikes the right in his country which ruled for 13 years and voted centre left, but supports Trump and right wing parties in Europe because of too much immigration in the West. But at the same time, he supports Palestine. My ex-housemate means well for the most part, but he is one of those men who are vulnerable to disinformation.
- He dislikes the right in his country which ruled for 13 years and voted centre left, but supports Trump and right wing parties in Europe because of too much immigration in the West
  If feels like you're burying the lede here.
  "In his country" suggests he's an immigrant. This means he too, is an immigrant right? How does he resolve this hypocrisy? Or when he says "too much immigration in the West" is he just a racist and is referring to people with different color skin?
  
  “In his country” suggests he’s an immigrant. This means he too, is an immigrant right? How does he resolve this hypocrisy?
  Duh, because he's one of the good immigrants.
  
  Or the person you're replying to, talking about an EX-house mate is the the immigrant. You're reading suggestions that aren't there.

Finally. Can we get a list of other States to join them?

So is the red line crossed yet or is the goal post once again some indeterminate point in the future.
History won't tell the beginning of the Trump regime at that indeterminate point. It began when he rode down that piss yellow escalator.
- " In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion." 100% illegal according to Posse Comitatus Act.
  Deploying Marines, Space Force, Navy Army or Airforce in the US against the US is prohibited
  
  Minor nitpick: national guard soldiers under title 32 is totally fine (the George Floyd protests), however that requires the state governor's approval. Trump bypassed that by putting them on title 10 orders which is active duty. Those are typically only for training or overseas deployment, and not for actual deployment within the US (though I think the south border mission may be an exception).
  So, he's already violating the law, but also putting provisions to use active duty soldiers as well which is double against the law.

No, just Trump and his losers.

You know if you shatter a spark plug, those little bits will 100% break a car window when thrown?

Right to freedoms of assembly and expression.
They need to chill.
And listen.

In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.

Yes, and...?

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