Opposition to the butchery in Gaza
Opposition to the butchery in Gaza
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This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.
Who will be ignored next?
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My entire school life there was so much pontification over what "you" would do during segregation or the Holocaust or slavery?
Turns out my entire family would grow a toothbrush moustaches and start painting vegan landscapes while I kept working because the cost of living rises more than wages and I long for the reprieve of death.
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Who will be ignored next?
- Sudan
- Myanmar
- Armenia
- Afghanistan
- Tibet
These aren't next, these are already forgotten even though they're catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it's one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people's minds.
I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they're noble and righteous, but they won't actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they'll move on to that because it's new and we have short attention spands.
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How fast we forgot Syria. Erdogan still bombing Kobane for example.
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I think it's media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.
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Who will be ignored next?
I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.
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You shouldn't blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.
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Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It's a curious topic.
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No, they're not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.
You're thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
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That's not what she does. Being a bad person or even being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness.
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In a certain sense you're right; psychop*th is Greek for "suffering soul". It's supposed to just refer to the abstract idea of mental illness. But in practice, it's a slur against ASPD. And even if that weren't the case, using the Greek word for mentally ill person as an insult is disgusting behaviour.
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"Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don't deserve human empathy" - Israel,
probablyactuallyAnimal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse
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Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
"Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their "cannibal" leaders."
And this is the first paragraph under "Background":
"Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions."
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let's always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
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No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the 'genocide', youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.
¹those weak subhuman diaspora 'jews' may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.
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Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse
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Yes, but I'm also a commie lol.
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Socialist here: fuck tankies :D
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Some leftists and others fall back on the old stereotype of powerhungry Reds who pursue power for powers sake without regard for actual social goals. If true, one wonders why, in country after country, these Reds side with the poor and powerless often at great risk and sacrifice to themselves, rather than reaping the rewards that come with serving the well-placed.
For decades, many left-leaning writers and speakers in the United States have felt obliged to establish their credibility by indulging in anticommunist and anti-Soviet genuflection, seemingly unable to give a talk or write an article or book review on whatever political subject without injecting some anti-Red sideswipe. The intent was, and still is, to distance themselves from the Marxist-Leninist Left.
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Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being “smeared” as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.
The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged ele¬ ments of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little dif¬ ference whether their wealth and power is challenged by “communist subversives” or “loyal American liberals.” All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.
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Sorely lacking within the U.S. Left is any rational evaluation of the Soviet Union, a nation that endured a protracted civil war and a multinational foreign invasion in the very first years of its existence, and that two decades later threw back and destroyed the Nazi beast at enormous cost to itself. In the three decades after the Bolshevik revolution, the Soviets made industrial advances equal to what capitalism took a century to accomplish — while feeding and schooling their children rather than working them fourteen hours a day as capitalist industrialists did and still do in many parts of the world. And the Soviet Union, along with Bulgaria, the German Democratic Republic, and Cuba, provided vital assistance to national liberation movements in countries around the world, including Nelson Mandelas African National Congress in South Africa.
- Parenti "Blackshirts and Reds"
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I can agree with that.
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Only if theyre cute enough to put up with their bullshit.
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This person LOVES HITLER!
-The ADL and MOST American Politicians!
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I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.
I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.
Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn't immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There's something wrong with you as a person.
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Even most of the conservative politicians in the US seemed to take this approach, until he started winning (read also: liberal politicians failed to counter his right-wing populism).
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What is the point of this completely off topic non-sequitor?
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It's the same template as the original post. Parallels are being drawn between support for Trump and support for Israeli genocide.
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Isn't being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying "War is bad" has become so controversial and extremist.
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let's discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
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Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.
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OMG, so antisemitic... /s
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I think there will be consequences for Israel's crimes, just not today.
Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.
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I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.
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This is why it is important to separate anti-semitism and anti-zionism.
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The death of religious spirituality at the hands of religious identity.
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Have there been consequences for the United States' or Canada's genocides against Indigenous peoples? Not really.
People can just get away with things unless you make them pay for it.
EDIT case in point, 200 years from now we could be celebrating the jewel of democracy Israel, while "acknowledging its troubled past" but you're still doing this over the bones of the people your predecessors slaughtered. I'm not even saying it wouldn't be genuine, like people today in the US and Canada bemoan the actions of previous colonizers. But the fact of what happened remains immutable. The slaughter happened, and the people who committed it accomplished their aims. They got away with it.
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I think there will be consequences for Israel's crimes, just not today.
I hope you're right.
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I think there will be consequences for Israel's crimes, just not today.
Possibly, but that won't help the dead kids. The focus must be on stopping the genocide as quickly as possible. Finding and punishing the perps can wait.
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I mean.... I've been saying similar stuff for a while. I'm not on anyone's side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it's not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don't have one.
HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn't matter where, or who, or when... If some group is killing another group, I don't like that.
The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what's happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia's actions there. I don't dislike Russia's or Russians, I don't have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.
Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people's of what culture or religion.... I just don't like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed...
I don't know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don't care, just stop murdering eachother.
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Nice work trying to make the genocide in Gaza be about Ukraine.
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You can spot lizard people by their lack of empathy towards humans. Clear sign they aren't human.
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I don't know how the average minimum wage worker can have the time to even care about world events when they are constantly under the threat of getting fired and stuggle to afford food.
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Caring has nothing to do with your paycheck, caring is about basic human empathy. I wouldn't be surprised when lower income would care more than higher.
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Its not about that, of course they care, that is - if they even know about such thing happening. Do you think wage-slaves have time to do research into complex global politics? The mainsteam media downplays the genocide so much that most people believe that the genocide is "hyperbole". Do you know how much money Israel has spent on propaganda? When the media focuses solely on October 7th, but then deletes everything after that, how are people supposed to even learn about the genocide?
Let me tell you for example, I told my aunt that the trump admin is deliberately trying to deport innocent people in the US, and she's like "Oh really? I think you're exaggerating" (for context: we are non-white immigrants) like she's not an evil person, just ignorant as fuck, not even reading the news.
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How can they have time to consume media that talk about Gaza?
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That's one way to control the crowds, make them too busy to think outside the rat race.
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I only know her from claiming there will be no Russian invasion while it already had begun. Later, she is peddling Russian propaganda. Moron.
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Thanks for letting me know. I've edited out her details so only the message is visible.
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I also do not oppose them for those same reasons.
Also all of those reasons (except love hamas/hate jews), but not just because of those.
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Haha, I read your comment pre-edit at first but assumed it was an oversight!
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I also agree with your agreement with OP to not oppose them for those same reasons.
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how do I boost on lemmy
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This astrology grifter is phony AF. She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism. It's a pattern.
Please don't promote this crap just because it sounds "good". Free Palestine.
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Thanks for the headsup. I've edited out her details so only the message is visible.
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This astrology grifter is phony AF.
Ad hominem. Doesn't invalidate the words above.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism.
I noticed no implied anti-semitism. I noticed explicit criticism of the Israeli government.
Please don't promote this crap just because it sounds "good".
True. Promote it to highlight the genocide that is currently occurring.
Free Palestine.
Agreed, but I suspect yours isn’t genuine.
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NGL... Yuh
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I agree with all this but I feel like Americans are the last people who should lead such a movement. To so many of us, the ones your country has raped and destroyed without apology, i roll my eyes at Americans calling for the end of colonization, genocides and war. It’s like you guys think if you go hard on this war, it will forgive all the centuries of genocide. My people were treated like refuse by Americans for decades, then without apology or reparations , white American kids are now preaching at my indigenous ass about privilege and genocide.
You can’t even call out the hypocrisy or you get hated on. I’ve never experienced as much hate and racism towards my culture from the left, as I have this past 2 years. You expect that shit from the right, but the American left went insane this cycle too
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The people that treated your people like refuse are not the same people as the ones protesting against atrocities.
Lumping a whole population together and stereotyping them is wrong, no matter who you're targeting with your stereotypes.
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Don't bother with people stuck in earlier stages of development. All they hear are excuses and immorality
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I would rather bother them very loudly.
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You'll find this kind of bs from every extremist faction, "oh you support Gaza, immigration, human rights and welfare, you must be a woke tankie communist" and "oh you're not an anti-capitalist far-left anti-money extremist commie tankie, you must be a dirty fascist" basically a summary or american politics🤦♂️ 🤡
Edit: the downvotes are just proving my point lol I'm literally saying the exact same thing said in the screenshot. There's not just two opposing extremes there's nuance to things, don't fight stupidity with stupidity, just cause magas fascist and extreme doesn't mean I should go find the equally opposing extreme.
I don't disagree with Trump just cause he's Trump, I disagree with his actions and the bs he says, and based off of those actions I think he's a knobhead and do not like him. When he pardoned Ross Ulbricht I didn't say, well it was done by Trump so it was evil. Do I think he did it for his own personal motives or gain and votershare? Yes, but I do believe he deserved freedom, and Trump did it for the wrong reasons.
Americans don't get it's not the centre of the universe sometimes.
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I'm including a link from a news report released yesterday at the bottom of this comment.
I'll save you from actually clicking on it and watching this horrific video, and just let you know, it's a 5 yo girl in Gaza trapped in a burning building after it was bombed by the Israeli army. The building is a former school the girl had been sheltering in along with her parents, younger sibling, and several others.
She screams in pain as she desperately tries to escape from the flames, and people outside scream for help as they watch her running around inside. Luckily a fireman was able to help her escape, but she was horribly burned and lost her entire family. The reporter later finds her in a hospital several weeks later, trying to recover and crying out for her mother.
If you still feel from that description that ignoring what is happening right now is acceptable or you're pretending it can somehow be justified in any context, you should make yourself watch the video. Keep in mind this is one of countless stories like it.
It's extremely disturbing because what's happening is literally extreme and should make any human capable of empathy uncomfortable. It's easier to ignore it and pretend it's not happening, but that's always the case with genocide.
If watching the video and knowing all of this still changes nothing for you, then you should also know you are literally showing callous and unemotional traits associated with psychopathy. That's not BS, it's a fact of reality.
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BRO, did I not say I was staunchly against Zionism. I explicitly said that, I mentioned how in the screenshot the person making the post said that she isn't against Israel because she's a communist, anti-Jews, anarchist or far-left, but because she's against genocide. Fuck Israel and Zionism but not Jews, I could not make that any more clear, I'm saying extremists always believe that when people disagree with anything at all they automatically believe they are extreme in the opposite direction.
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I am for a 2 state solution, and a version of the Neuremburg Trials for both the IDF and Hamas for their crimes against humanity. Gaza should be a part of Palestine, as with the West Bank, with the settlers in both having to move back, and return the land to it's owners prior. Palestine and Israel seperated by UN peacekeepers at both sides, is my solution for preventing further invasions. Free and fair elections for Palestine, should occur. Both those who think 1 state as Israel or Palestine are insane.
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For real. I genuinely like Israel and have many israeli friends still but the incompetence of Israel government is so staggering it's imposdible to align with even if you think Hamas deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history.
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Recent polls show 81% of the Israeli population agree that Palestine should be ethnically cleansed. It's not just the government, and it's not "incompetence", it's deliberate malice.
And Hamas's crimes are a drop in the ocean compared to Israel, so if you think Hamas "deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history," what do you think Israel deserves?
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You genuinely like an apartheid regime?
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I don't X, because Y.
❌ confusing
- states "I don't X" when writer means "I do X"
- states "Y" is a reason when it isn't
I do X, not because Y.
✔️ clear
- states "I do X" as intended & "Y" isn't a reason
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I smell toast.
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Some of the hatred here needs to be directed at Iran; which never seems to come up in these conversations. Iran has always wanted this tension. The Palestinians are their pawns. The level of their suffering is too damn high.
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An understanding of the Iranian regime (and it's origin) is an important piece of the middle east puzzle.
But they are not forcing Israel into committing genocide. Genocide is a choice Israel is making.
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"don't blame us, those dastardly Iranians made us commit genocide!"
Spare us the genocide apologia please.
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Anything to draw the conversation away from pissrael huh?
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Ok let’s be fair here. What exactly are you saying Iran is morally responsible for here? I would appreciate you spelling it out, because I don’t think Iran bears any moral consequence for Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.
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Yeah, Israel is slaughtering children by the dozen, but have you looked over here in a while?
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watch out islamic botnet will not like this comment
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by this logic Allies committed genocide against Germans in ww2
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this video from 2018 watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF7KCOm6eY
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The allies didn't try to completely wipe out the population of Germany to replace them with their own colonists.
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Nah, like usual, religion is solely to blame here.
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If you think religion is solely to blame here, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. This goes back to the british mandate, WW1 and the arab revolt; not just religion.
This is settler colonialism, judaism != zionism.
Religion obviously does have some part in this, but to pin this genocide solely on "religion" is ignorant, and reductive.
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Ah, yes, the genocide and its fascist underpinnings created by seculer atheists inspired by Renaissance and Enlightenment ideals are completely the fault of religion.
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Absolutely, religion is at the heart of fascism. But it's probably not the religion that you're thinking of...
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Ahhh are we just gonna ignore hamas’s butchery? I’m even more not a psychopath because I oppose that as well as Israel’s. y’all messed up for leaving that out.
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This is like saying "well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?" in 1943.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
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You're just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German "civilians" to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
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Which side is guilty of genocide? Which side are the invaders and settlers, and which side are the indigenous resistance?
Hamas aren’t fighting Jews in Europe or North America, they are resisting those who have stolen their lands and besieged them.
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October 7 wasn’t resisting. It was butchery. And pretending it wasn’t is psychopathy. Israel’s government is very much in the wrong too
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Gonna state the obvious: Resistance to oppression is justified.
https://jacobin.com/2025/04/warsaw-ghetto-uprising-gaza-genocide
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It’s a shitty situation. I’m not sure what you do when both sides are committed to the total destruction of the other. The painful truth is someone is going to be the loser
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Yes, Hamas has done terrible things in the past, including the Oct 7 massacre, but that doesn't excuse Israel's extreme response.
Both sides are absolutely committed to the total genocide of the other. The difference is that Hamas has no way of carrying out that genocide, so it's only empty words at this point. OTOH, Israel is fully capable of committing total genocide against the Palestinians, and has finally decided that the time has arrived to do it.
It is impossible for me to SUPPORT one side or another, but it is imperative for me to always condemn genocide, by anyone, against anyone. There is NEVER a situation where genocide is justifiable.
This will eventually backfire against Israel in an extremely horrible way. Every Middle Eastern country wants a nuclear weapon, and a large part of our diplomatic efforts involve keeping nuclear weapons out of their hands. Eventually, someone will get one, and Israel's enthusiastic genocide will be used as justification for their use.
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Thank you for an intelligible response. If we run the hypothetical of what would have happened if Israel allowed hamas to become its own country with its own military, how likely would Hamas have used that power along with help from it’s neighbours like Iran, to develop nuclear weapons or at least a strong conventional army? If there was ever a fork in the road it would be when the Palestinian people elected Hamas knowing their mandate was the total destruction of Israel. They carried out that mandate with everything they were given from Israel and the international community. They used it all to buy rockets and build tunnels for themselves for use for when Israel retaliated. The fact civilians are being killed is part of hamas’s plan to get more international support, no civilians are allowed in the tunnels. Judging by this website it appears to be working well. I really wish we could have seen what happened if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and allowed the Palestinians time to live their lives. There is absolutely blame on both sides.
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You would have "both-sides"ed the Holocaust
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Do you also oppose the white genocide the far right whackos are always going on about? What are you a psychopath?!?!?
Or maybe you don't oppose the "white genocide" because you know it's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory?
How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide different from the far right's accusations of Jews committing a white genocide? Because you "did your own research on the internet"?
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Even Netanyahu himself says that the ratio of civilian deaths is over 50%.
Over 50%! From the horse's mouth!
Most experts have it at 80%, but even Netanyahu's figure is fucking insane. If not a genocide, it's an absolutely negligent way to run a conflict, with zero value given for human life.
"BuT HaMaS hIDeS iN TuNnELs"....and Israel has one of the best equipped militaries in the world. How big is their drone fleet? If you can't figure out how to take out 1 dude without disintegrating an entire city block, then you need to quit.
So the "best case" scenario is "The Israel government is extremely irresponsible with weapons and needs to stop". Whether or not you think it qualifies as a "genocide", it needs to fucking stop, we need to stop supplying them with weapons, and the world needs to apply more pressure. We can Nuremberg it up later, after the children have stopped being brutally and needlessly murdered.
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How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide different from the far right's accusations of Jews committing a white genocide?
Because one is true and not the other. Surprising, I know.
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Or maybe you don’t oppose the “white genocide” because you know it’s an anti-semitic conspiracy theory?
Yes. That one. Obviously.
I respect your noble dedication to epistemology, but at some stage it's perfectly reasonable to say that herding millions of people into an increasingly small area whilst forcibly starving and bombing them is a genocide, whilst having an immigrant population of barely 15% is not a genocide.
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How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide
Is it really propaganda when there's thousands of videos showing all the horrible shit Isreal's been doing in Gaza?
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Because you did your own research on the internet
Erm… Virtually every human rights organisation on the planet have done their research and confirm a genocide is being committed. As well as international courts.
Like the old adage goes, if one person thinks you’re a cunt you’re likely not a cunt, If everybody thinks you’re a cunt chances are you are in fact a cunt.
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Your reading comprehension is bad
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