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Hey Lemmy, what browser do you use and why?

I'm what's known as a chronic hopper. I'm always on the lookout for new software, especially when it comes to browsers and Linux distros, but I'm here to ask you about browsers specifically. I'm fairly sure I know most of them, but I want to really know why you run what you do. In return, I will give you my experiences with the browsers that I have tried and why I hopped from them if I did.

Don't feel the need to read the list. I'll be more than happy to just hear your answers!

  • Firefox: One of the grand-daddy browsers. I honestly didn't hop from it due to anything specific, but more that I've used it so much that I needed a change.
  • Chrome: I used this very little. Just being on it made my skin crawl. However, I still keep it around in a container because some sites straight up tell you that you have to use it to access their dashboards or application forms. While that is now much less these days (as most things will now ask for Chrome or Firefox now), it still does happen, especially on dated government sites that get updated like... once a decade...
  • Opera GX: Yup, I fell into the hype. I think I used this for all of a month before recognizing it as over-engineered and needlessly bloated. It pulls you in with gimmicks and pretty lights and that's pretty much all it has. A browser that's literally built on smoke and mirrors and pushy advertising.
  • Brave: There's been a lot of huff about Brave lately, but back when it launched and wasn't very mainstream it was the smoothest and a relatively more secure browser than the competition. There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave. The problem started when they began to opt you into gimmicks and extra things you didn't need without your permission. That was a turnoff for me. I outed before things really went downhill. -Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I've never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it's core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It's fairly vetted and trusted from what I've researched.
  • Vivaldi: Still one of my favorite browsers when I went back to Windows, but probably has the most bugs I've seen in any browser. It got better once they swapped to React portals, but Vivaldi (Windows version) would occasionally freeze my whole PC or else I'd BSOD. This was a combination of the browser's stability and making my own custom CSS for it, but overall it frustrated me more than other browsers.
  • Qutebrowser: Still one of my favorites, and a must-have for me even if its not my main browser. I was diving into the Vimium extension for Firefox, which in turn led me to Neovim, which led me to Qutebrowser. There's a few main points as to why I don't use it as my go-to. First, its not very good at squashing first-party ads. Even though you can combo custom ad block lists, Brave adblock, and python-adblock, it just can't seem to get them all. Second, I rely on my history when browsing YouTube and if you want to get around ads, your best bet is to write a custom shortcut that opens links in MPV/VLC. There are Greasemonkey scripts that should increase ad speed to a fraction of a second and auto-skip, but none of them ever worked for me and most are ancient.
  • Nyxt: My next logical step after Qutebrowser was Nyxt. However, I've never managed to figure out how to work it. I haven't really done any extensive bug testing, but when it opens its just a blank window and there's not much I could find for documentation on it. Part of me wonders if there's something that only trusted people know that gets it working, the other part wonders if I'm just missing some sort of library or dependency. From here I went back to Floorp for a while. -Zen: I was very excited when I found this browser. Another Firefox fork, it aims to be much like Arc browser, but adds a lot more on top of that. However, in recent months I find they've become a little too ambitious. If you asked me two months ago, I would tell you that Zen felt just as smooth as Floorp, but these days its much, much laggier. The scrolling is choppy, the pages load slow. I use the same exact extensions on Zen as I do Floorp and the difference now is night and day. I've also tested this on fresh, no-extras no-extension installations and the results are the same. Zen tends to change things and instead of letting the user opt into the additions or changes, they force the changes in their updates. That type of development model just isn't really for me. I don't want to have to re-figure out how to use my browser every few days.

So there it is. I hop a LOT. Honorable mention is Ladybird and I've tested it a little. It is extremely alpha, being just a portal with the basics you need for browsing, but I'm amazed at what they've done so far and very excited for it's release. For now I've returned to Floorp and am very happy with it. I'm very curious to know why you like what you do, whether its just because its what you've used for a long time or if there's something that you can't do without.

Also, please excuse me if this question has been asked before. I didn't want to necro an old post and I want to be able to reply and ask more questions! I've seen many posts discussing a single browser, but I want a more general view. I'm very interested, because the Lemmy community often values their privacy and their rights, which is a major factor in choosing software for me.

Edit: I feel like I'm answering very quickly, but want you to know that I'm not a bot nor using AI. I type at 110wpm in Dvorak. Typing is a huge hobby of mine and would never use AI to do something I love to do for me. I'm set on getting to 200wpm (100 was my first goal). That being said, I can't answer everyone, so I'm sorry if I missed your reply!

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  • LibreWolf, I've been using Firefox ever since I switched from Mozilla browser, but nowadays with what Mozilla is doing I felt compelled to switch to LibreWolf and IronFox.

    • You're the first other user I've seen to mention IronFox. I have it as a backup. Its relatively new, isn't it? And it goes beyond to make sure it's privacy first. To the point where it won't even connect to third party apps for login purposes. Definitely my dark horse Android browser.

      Iirc, you have to add the repository to F-Droid, which keeps it from being recognized more.

  • Firefox, since its an overall good browser. Added a custom user-script to it.

    Vivaldi, for anything Google specific since its chromium base. Also in case something breaks in Firefox.

    Like to keep my activities seperate. This is only for desktop.

    • I agree. I also like to separate all of my activities. Not just for privacy, but also for organization. Sometimes I overdo it... I have ton of unused apps and programs.

  • Firefox, been using it forever. Nothing has got me to permanently switch.

    I use lynx in the terminal sometimes for fun.

  • No one mentioned Floorp yet, so I guess it's on me.

    It's Firefox, but with more customization options right out of the box. I also have an ungoogled Chromium on standby for those sites unwilling to work well with Firefox (and forks).


    EDIT:

    Oh, it's mentioned in the OP:

    • Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
    • Yeah, Floorp is my go-to right now. Its incredibly lightweight and has a lot of customization for how smooth it is. I am liking Librewolf though, just from how completely stripped down it is. There's barely anything unneeded in the options, its crazy. I think I'll still mainly use Floorp, though.

      • Same with Floorp. Was using Zen for a short time but the ui was buggy as shit.

      • I actually had this trajectory: Vanilla Firefox -> (manually) hardened Firefox -> Librewolf -> Floorp

        I wasn't actually displeased with Librewolf, but I found it a bit sparse when it comes to customization. I am aware that I'm trading customization with security when I made the last jump, but given my opsec situation, I don't think I am being careless with switching to Floorp, and it has some decent security defaults, so I stuck with it.

        Everyone else's usecases may vary and even Floorp with its customization options isn't for everyone. That's the beauty of Firefox and its forks, if you ask me. There's likely something for everyone--and for some, Firefox might be it.

    • I tried a bunch of Fireforks, and found bugs I couldn't live with in all of them - until I tried Floorp. It was last on my list because the name and icon are ugly so I assumed it wouldn't have as much polish as something like Waterfox. Turns out it's got sensible defaults and works very well, with better performance than vanilla Firefox, so I'm happy.

      • Oh, the name and the icon are probably the only things I am actually displeased with in Floorp. I wanted to change the icon for my system too (or just use a more generic "firefox fork browser" logo for it to contrast with my ungoogled Chromium one--but I abandoned it after finding it troublesome (skill issue on my end).

        But hey, beyond the icon and the iffy name, it fits my needs, so it stays.

  • Firefox.

    I can personalize it as much as I want and it respects my privacy, or at least any part that doesn't can be easily turned off.

  • I use Firefox and Librewolf.

    I've used Firefox for a long tine, and I strongly favour it as the only true independent browser engine left. Everything else is under Google or Apples control, and many of the various chrome forks are commercial and compromised. I dont trust Brave or Vivaldi in terms of privacy. And google has severely limited privacy options in chromium based browsers with its recent changes.

    Mozilla is far from perfect and I'm disturbed by some of its actions but it remains the least bad option. Librewolf adds a layer of privacy and separation that I like although its not my main browser. I main Firefox with lots of privacy extensions.

    I do have chromiun and chromium ungoogled installed and exclusively for streaming video. Not because Firefox isn't capable but because I have loads of extensions in Firefox so its easier just to contain all my subscribed streaming services in its own browser and not have to faff with DRM or ad block issues. I watch YouTube in Firefox, but use Chromium to watch BBC, Channel 4, and Netflix (when I had it). I use Jellyfin media player to stream my own content.

    • I've been meaning to check out Jellyfin. I've been dabbling in Stremio lately and did look into Kodi for a bit. I think Plex is now pulling some shady business? So my next stop is Jellyfin.

      • I think there was just a post on Lemmy (maybe !SelfHosted) saying that Plex have just changed their terms to allow them to sell users' data to third parties.

  • Firefox. I've stuck with it for what, a decade now? I used Chrome before.

    I use it simply because it's not Chromium and works. There's Firefox forks but they don't offer enough to pull me from Firefox. Yet.

    On iOS/iPad I generally stick with Safari because of how non-native browsers were forced to be just skins. But I bounce between phones and ecosystems and I've been off Apple for more than a year.

    If something needs Chromium to work (very rare), I open Vivaldi.

    • I stuck with it for a long time, too. Hell, I remember when it came out. Forks are fun and, if it's a concern for you, more secure. I didn't really need anything more secure, but I like to dabble into different stuff to keep things fresh and interesting.

  • Waterfox because of the UI customizations and built-in vertical tree-style sidebar without needing to fiddle with userchrome.css everytime, as well as automatic Betterfox (Firefox config for speed and privacy) and the settings ToC

    • I almost forgot about Waterfox, which is strange because it was one of the first if not the first Firefox fork, if I'm remembering right.

  • Firefox. It was the default in Linux Mint when I first started using a computer, and I am used to it. (Yep, I started with Linux.)

    On my phone, shamefully Opera. It's the best for desktop web experience. I don't like mobile websites.

    • I had a very brief stint with base Opera on mobile, too, but it was so brief that I didn't really dig into it. When I used it, it did have some QoL things I liked, but Firefox mobile caught up pretty quick and I ditched it. Before Opera, I was using Dolphin for a while.

      Have you seen Fennec or Iceraven? Nice little Firefox forks for Android that prioritize privacy and add a few great tools. I would have mentioned Mull, too, but sadly it was abandoned recently.

      • Yep, I've got Fennec installed. But only Firefox nightly had... I don't remember what. Probably desktop-like tabs. I forgot.

        But Firefox still has issues with scaling desktop sites which Opera does perfectly. Well, actually, Firefox does too in desktop mode. I think the only thing I am missing is permanent desktop mode. When I only changed UA, I had the scaling issues.

        Well, I just checked since I updated Fennec yesterday because I had leftover data. The toggle seems to be there now. But the tabs don't show up desktop-style. I should re-check Firefox Nightly. I think that toggle was the only missing thing for me.

  • Librewolf, although i tested zen browser for a while and since then i am running a vertical tab bar - it made me realize that this way the screen space is used much better! Had the same lag issues with zen, but i'll keep it installed and will check it out again later, because stuff like the sneak peek is great!

  • Firefox, used to switch to edge to get hevc HDR to work from my jellyfin server. But now Firefox will pass it through AV1. So it my only browser now

  • I use fennec on mobile because it isn't chromium and isn't directly firefox. I use librewolf on desktop for the same reasons

  • I’m a filthy causal… I use Safari on Mac and iOS. It’s fine. It works. I don’t really care that much about my browser. On Linux I like Firefox, but on my RaspberryPi’s I just use Chromium. It’s fine.

  • Forefox, also Chromium occasioanly of I am in a hurry and some asshat makes it difficult to use Firefox.

    Playing with Zen.

    My OS is Linux Mint

  • Including browser names in bold.

    My strong preference is toward Pale Moon, but I have been using it less and less lately. Instead when I want to use a more standards-compliant (i.e non-Blink) rendering engine, I use SeaMonkey, which includes a browser, an email/newsgroup/RSS client, and an IRC client.

    Lately though, I flip between Firefox, Waterfox, Librewolf, and Tor Browser - they're all just "Firefox, and this thing that could be an addon if addons still worked right". I truly despise the fact that they moved to Google WebExtensions, and have so many other Google shackles - so I'm glad that they're losing the money.

    Oh, I also use Links in my terminal. It's a good alternative to curl.

    • I gotta check out some TUI browsers someday, I like the idea of being able to browse through my terminal. I've never heard of Pale Moon! I'm excited now and will be going to check it out ASAP.

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