YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy
YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy
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YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy
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Stop using youtube.
EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.
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What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.
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Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.
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It's not an easy answer, but the best way I've found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, removedute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
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Go outside.
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not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.
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Do it fast, they're trying to kill yt-dlp with DRM.
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Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.
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If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn't replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
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Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
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Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
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So, sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?
Because a lot of the time, it's weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.
The dude has been in the driver's seat for pretty much every major deterioration of Google/alphabet for years.
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He donated a million to Trump’s “inauguration” and sat in the VIP section, he was already a CEO that sucks.
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list of CEOs that suck?
Isn't that simply called CEO list?
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True, true
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Don't forget current Youtube CEO Neal Mohan and former Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki!
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Damn we were eating good with Susan, comparitivly speaking anyway.
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sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?
Been on that list since he became a CEO
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always has been
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Reposting my comment another post relating to this situation
I mean this is just them making official how they've been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women's issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube's rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube's TOS
Companies are not your friend.
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Months ago I reported a Nazi. Like a real Nazi. With a hitler pfp. And they didn't ban him. This is the channel of the Nazi: https://youtube.com/channel/UCZijsnbYQawRHi-Z3DwEcTA
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Wish I could say I'm surprised, but I've had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they've even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.
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Just don't make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi's videos, because that's when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.
Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it's because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it's hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively... on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that's only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.
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When an influential group of powerful people make hate speech a part of their standard rhetoric, is EXACTLY when you MUST block it on your platform, not a signal that it's time to start letting it slide, you fucking pricks.
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Pichai kissed the ring. He's colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.
All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I'm at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that's me.
I'd be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.
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And people judged me for watching YouTube with uBlock Origin, or via NewPipe for eons.
Look who's laughing now.
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Good lord, the amount of idiots that white knighted me for using uBlock.
"WOULD U WORK FOR FREEEEE????!!?"
Like fuck off no I wouldn't. I also dont buy up every other company I see, turn it to shit and then try to force a political agenda through it, and guess who IS doing that using billions of dollars? Yep, Google.
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Won’t someone think of the shareholders?
/s
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Those aren't opinions I would care about in the first place. Somebody thinks you should be watching ads? WTF?
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LTT is very sure that following the FBIs recommendation for always using an adblocker is piracy for one example.
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but google's profits!!!
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Please think about billionaires!
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youtube is too infested with ads, to make me disable ublock origin for my favorite channels. in anycase most of the channels become greedy pos overtime anyways. outside of pet one/animals/stem ones, ones that are just gossip or reaction or like mr beasts videos are no good.
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YouTube on mobile is intolerable these days. NewPipe is the way for Android, though Google is in a constant battle to disable it.
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Showing how truly performative their big “ally” push was during the pandemic. All their BLM and diversity support was just as performative. Big corporations are just sycophantic monsters riding trends. Avoid them where possible.
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"Don't Be Evil"
(I know this hasn't been the Google motto in years -- when it stopped was one of the biggest corporate red flags)
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Google now reserves the right to "be evil".
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It's right there in the TOS! /s
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If they were really serious about not being evil, they would've formed as a public benefit corporation (which they did not).
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Yes. Avenues exist. But money is corrupting.
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„Be evil, break people“ is the current motto of silicon valley.
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That is why centralized platforms, especially powerful ones, are sitting ducks waiting to become even more corrupt. Why more people are not leaving centralized services is a crime against humanity as it is clear that supporting theme means society suffers.
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The 'not leaving centralized services' thing isn't really helped when there's basically no other viable alternatives, like is the case with YT. PeerTube exists, sure, but it's a content desert, sadly.
Now, if PeerTube had more content to choose from.....
Really though, Reddit, Meta, Twitter, and Discord all have viable decentralized alternatives in the form of Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon (Mastodon serving as an alternative for both Facebook and Twitter), and Matrix respectively, why can't PeerTube serve as a truly viable decentralized alternative for YT?
Even Linux is in its glow-up arc as a viable Windows alternative lately ffs, and I'm glad to have been on that bandwagon for years before that platform started gaining mainstream attention.
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The big problem with PeerTube(PT) is that there is no advertising. As it stands now people are burning money in order to run a PT instance and YouTube(YT) was not at all profitable for many years so it is unlikely that PT ever will be unless people start being willing to pay for people to upload their content to PT. There are ways that you could make PT profitable but it would end up making it into something more similar to Patreon or Nebula.
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It's frightening. Why do people not make an effort to leave Reddit?
How can the same people run a dictatorship of the proletariat? Even democracy, I don't see how society as a whole can avoid being manipulated.
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I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren't so damn overdue. They don't even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING
Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.
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Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don't know how many years I've been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.
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The AI nonsense, the flawed ranking and the pages of sponsored links. Honestly, Google is just straight up useless.
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Consider the decentralized family of https://trom.tf/ apps, such as https://search.trom.tf/ as a replacement (that's the only one I use of their stuff so far... but may poke around more later).
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their ads platform ruined the internet
Ads were the bane of the internet FAR before Google even fucking existed. lol
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and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it's also a panopticon.
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You think chrome is bad? You should try the GCP console, 2 tabs were using 15GB RAM.
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It's okay. I gotcha so you don't got to ssy it
Spicehoarder told y'all so!
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I need someone like you around.
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What's wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well
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The key point here is our programmers... They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language... So, the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand ―Rob 'Commander' Pike, creator of Go
And here's a related blog post: https://valuedrivenit.blogspot.com/2015/12/to-go-language-is-mess.html?m=1
It's a very opinionated language in the worst way possible.
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This was bound to happen after the election results just a matter of time. Also, hate speech related content possibly gets a lot of clicks. So capitalism benefits. Next is, possibly but hopefully not, Bluesky's official server.
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I dont see Bluesky going down the enshittification path thát fast
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I dont trust anything that isn't fully decentralized. Bluesky is very weird in that regard, its partially centralised. I guess it's better than Twitter (but that is setting the bar very low). I still refrain from using it too often.
It will almost certainly have ads in the future and will inevitably go down the path of reddit, twitter and Facebook so I prefer to use something that is completely out of reach of the CEO if something goes to shit.
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Hopefully. If Youtube did it, who's to say now that Bluesky may or may not jump ship? It's an industry. However, i'm mainly pointing at the main server, other servers on Bluesky might not jump ship so fast, or not at all (ideally).
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Don’tbe evil
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Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful
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Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There's gin to help wash the black pill down.
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There is one thing that is vital that is missing from peertube. Effective monetization.
By watching on peertube I am a drain on resources. A net negative. I'd happily pay to offset those costs and more, but I want it to be shared amongst multiple creators and hosters.
I don't want to just support one, I want to support most of the network for the hosting and bandwidth, and a certain amount divided amongst the creators I watch.
If PeerTube introduces some sort of payment / monetization solution, it might get more creators as well. Without it I can't see it growing fast enough to compete with YouTube in the near future.
Well.. Sooner or later the costs of Full HD compressed video will be negligible for hosting and bandwidth, so that might be when YouTube gets a real challenge. So I guess we'll see
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I remember the pre-Youtube internet where we created content because it was fun or educational, not because we needed money for the task of doing so.
Paying for server costs and maintaining them, sure. MetaFilter has a good system for that, they're effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators. The rest of the people on the site, they just make good content for the sake of making good content, not because they feel the need to be paid for their time doing it.
God I miss the pre-Youtube era. "Content creators" looking for a payday via advertising are a fucking cancer.
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I mean, sure but we are past that. No large YouTuber will give up getting paid, and go to a system with a much smaller user base so even stuff like affiliate links and sponsorships are worth less. Basically double lose money just to join peertube. Especially since most large YouTubers have a team of people who they pay, so they cannot afford for their employees sake to take such a large loss just to support peertube.
More likely this leads to Vimeo, or like twitch TikTok or something else being able to support a normal video platform than it leads to people using peertube.
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MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators.
MetaFilter has at multiple points been on the verge of shutting down, no? IIRC, you pay $5 for an account.
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I subscribe to a lot of full time "content creators" that are ad supported and supported via donations.
I curate my feed meticulously to avoid slop, and I get a lot of value, learning and entertainment from those I follow.
I believe they deserve to be paid for the tremendous amount of work they put in.
Some sort of ability to generate a livable wage from creating high quality content seems reasonable, no?
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Nebula
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I'm not in favor of YouTube, but what exactly missing here?
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It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn't, that's a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like 'well that's not your REAL gender so this isn't harassment'.
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Everyone should check out PeerTube sometime, the UX has improved a lot and there's a decent amount of content too. I recommend installing the PeerTube Companion app. It shows a popup on YouTube if you've clicked on a video that is also available on PeerTube.
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what's the best queer friendly instance? :^
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I don't know, but here's a list of instances https://joinpeertube.org/instances
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thanks
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While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention 'sex, gender, or sexual orientation', which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.
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You still think things are run by reasonable people?!
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No, but I think most of the people on Lemmy should know better than that.
Looks at Hexbear, .ml, and to some extent Blahaj
Oh, who am I kidding.
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"Gender" means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn't protect trans people, for example. We don't know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don't consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with "gender identity and expression".
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This is not a legal contract, it's a general guideline for users about what is or isn't acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn't matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.
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What matters is how this affects enforcement.
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It doesn't. It's not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.
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Fuck rainbow capitalism
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I'm more concerned about "anti-rainbow" capitalism. Like what's happening right now where instead of being performatively progressive they become performatively reactionary. (Well, I suppose that's just reactionary.)
Basically what I mean is I want rainbow capitalism to exist, but in a very specific way: I want rainbow capitalism to be the bare minimum a company has to implement if they want to exist. I want the social circumstances to force them to at least pretend to be on the right side of history.
Honestly, the real problem in rainbow capitalism is the capitalism part.
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It's almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.
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It's too hard to change anything, but only if it's progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.
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A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.
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Nebula
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I mean something free
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What was YouTube before Google bought it? Can it be remade again, or have all servers been captured?
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They don’t want proof that what’s going to be happening soon, was ever mortally objectionable.
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youtube has enshittified for a while, they went downhill as soon as they announced that they no longer backed election denial reports. then all the right wing, anti-woke videos started popping up all over the place, plus the one that try to seem like its both sides videos too.
allowing people like beast, and others to dominate the front, was asking for trouble.
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First reddit now youtube. Welcome to the tech broligarchy
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Google should get destroyed
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Don'tBe Evil-
Slavishly Follow the Fascist Government's Lead
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I am a building
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Why even bother with a hate speech policy? Oh, right, money.
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strange, they have allowed it ont he channel for quite a while, alot of the videos were mostly directed at transpeople in the form of anti-woke videos. like that channel where it had 20 magats arguing vs 1 "liberal".
right wing drives viewers to grifters, and those have ads which benefits youtube.
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Also right wingers are dumb as hell and don’t use adblock.
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What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.
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Peertube is the obvious candidate, but I'm not sold on the content.
I use nebula.tv, many of the creators I like are there too. You pay somerhing, but their business model is not too bad imho.
Floatplane is somewhat similar, but LMG is involved, which I don't love.
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The closest, at least outside of China, would be Dailymotion.
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Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you'll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the "Groupe Canal" (which includes "CNews", the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.
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feel like thats specific to pirated media. i remember i watch pirated shows on there all the time.
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No one wants to talk about PeerTube?
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There's a couple Lemmy communies out there where we showcase different channels.
https://lemmy.world/c/peertube
Check out top for a decent selection. It's a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It's federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.
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There really isn't one. That's why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.
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As reported from a substack writer… 🤮
Substack platforms and monetizes Nazis.
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Mind providing a bit more context to this so I can look it up ? I’ll boycott substick if need be.
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I found some older news articles, but nothing more recent for an update.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/09/substack-nazi-content-policies-controversy/
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Oh sorry, didn't know about that
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Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s
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It's time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi
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Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.
And there are far, FAR more people like this than there are people with steadfast principles and discipline to stick to them. The depressing majority of people are not really thinking, they're just going with the flow, agreeing with popular sentiment when it's convenient, doing whatever they want when nobody is looking because capitalism has bled our axioms out.
If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, actually talking to people in our communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)
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Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No they aren't? People just haven't actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of "ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you".
Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla's stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).
This isn't to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn't better spent elsewhere, but don't dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.
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I mean they allow porn videos and animal torture videos on YouTube so like
Oh and snuff videos
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On the one hand, less censorship, on the other, something a lot worse.
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Good.
Let people say what they want and you can ignore them if you don't like what's being said.
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I recommend you take strides to learn how propaganda works, most specifically the purpose of shifting opinion (i.e. the Overton Window): "I'm just asking questions" and "I'll let anyone speak" are two of the most effective methods of propaganda. It does not need to be intentional on the part of the interviewer.
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BASED
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