Oh no some conservatives are suffering, oh no...

Fuck these idiots. Reaping what they sowed.

Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do and the obvious outcome happens, but they still don't see through his bullshit not matter how many times it bites them in the ass.
- Even past that, the market has been on a historic bull run. The NASDAQ is up around 150% over five years. Unprecedented gains, even with the COVID dip.
  
  What kind of whiny bullshit is this about a 15% decline? You're holding equity with a 100+ p/e. You took a bunch of leveraged risk and came out ahead, but you're still not happy because... you're not a trillionaire like Daddy Musk yet? Take your fucking profits and back away from the roulette wheel, you degenerates.
- Well, except the things that would have been nice. Like bringing down prices, ending wars, not being a little removed in the white house.
Right? Fuck around and find out. Damn them all for setting us on this path of this hellscape they set us all upon. If you're MAGA or didn't vote at all I don't have the sympathy or empathy left to give a shit what happens. The leopards are going to eat so many faces the next four years they're going to die of obesity.
The problem is we (Americans) are all reaping what a small group of people sowed. Some of us didn't vote for this. Most people didn't vote at all. I wish it was mandatory like in Australia. I want my voting sausage.
- I wish there was a way to spin up an IRL virtual machine and show Americans what the two presidencies would look like in real time, and make it compulsory to watch. Then let people vote on Nov 5th. And make it required.
  
  It fucking sucks when people don't vote, and we end up with evil idiots who trash our country, our climate, and our people. Not to mention our allies and our economy. It's so preventable.
- Yeah I’m not stupid, that isn’t lost on me.
  
  I’m just glad they are suffering too. Probably considerably more than i am, tbh.
Problem is, it's affecting us in canada, and other countries too, so were also reaping what they sowed

I'm an investor in predominately european companies. My investments have risen 20%... so far
- EutelSat is where the investments are at. And the EU's MIC. Good time to be European.
Mine haven't. I pulled my money out a month ago when I saw that the new Trump presidency wasn't going to be like the first one.
- Well, he's being the same failed businessman and bigot he's been his entire life, the biggest difference between the two terms is that now he doesn't have undoing all the things that a black man did while in office to keep him busy.
- I can't decide what the right move right now to do is. I lost months of growth in a couple weeks. The market has always come back before, but the orange shitstain is pretty uniquely awful, and showing us how he cares jackshit about nuking the economy.

Well well well. Is he "hurting the wrong people" again? who would've thunk

He's not even hurting them. They're still up for the year. They're historically up for the last ten years, in the face of enormous economic headwinds.

Trump stepped in, the market surged, and now its floated back down to December 2024 baseline.

And these losers are screaming like stick pigs because Big Line doesn't always go up forever.
No no, this time he's "hurting real people".

You needn't look further than 'Conservative Environmentalist'. Obviously, he has no clue what his party actually does.

I've known a few of those. "Environmentalism" to them only goes as far as making sure they have some fields around them stocked with deer and pheasant to hunt, and maybe a lake they can tool around in their bass boat.
- It's called gardening. I'm literally writing about this and that's the term I'm using lol.
- See also: ‘Conservation’
  
  Because even natural preservation has to have a conservative version.
Like is he just ignoring the “Drill baby drill” shit? Or the fact that in his first term Trump reduced the size of national parks for the sake of oil operations?
- He's a trump voter.
  
  All you need to know.
Unless that’s the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt then I agree
- Teddy Roosevelt would be called a commie by many of today's top Democrats, let alone the MAGA Republicans.
  
  He literally tried to start a progressive third party.

"He's a businessman".

No, he's a nepo baby hustler who thinks winning is the only thing that matters, and winning is when you rip off and take advantage of people.

No he's a businessman just not a good one and by good I simply mean minimally competent, I won't get into the morality although... Woof.
- minimally competent
  
  I think bankrupting a casino disqualifies him from even that.
Sounds like a business guy to me
I saw a calculation once that found he'd be more wealthy now if he literally just shoved all of his money into stocks when he turned 18. Truly evidence of an incredibly smart business man

This person is rich enough to own stocks. It's good that they're feeling some negative effects of what they voted for, but calling a 15 % dip in their portfolio "suffering" is kind of devaluing the actual human suffering that Trump's policies are causing.

Yea but they're never going to find that empathy so at least there's this
Anyone who must be employed to survive is one of us, I’d say. Even “millionaires” understand that pressure. Still, it probably doesn’t matter if they have any realizations because they’ve all served their purpose to him.
- Millionaire is a pretty low bar these days, a salary worker reaching retirement age probably has a million dollar net worth.
As if conservatives place an iota of value on any human life apart from their own.

A business man who has failed to sell: Booze, football, and steaks...TO AMERICANS.

Can't forget gambling.
- I don't even know how that's possible, casinos are barely legal money printing machines. People drive hours to the middle of buttfuck, nowhere in many states just to gamble, and his were in major cities for Christsake, lol.
  
  It is very unsettling to see him in financial control of all of us again, after crashing the economy once already.
- True. LOL.
Which is because he tried to put his name on all of it and charge a premium. No actual added value. Just his name. Turns out that's not a winning strategy.
- wasn't until he figured he needed a cult following, first

"we need someone to run the government like a business" "lets pick this guy with 40 bankruptcies" my guy even if the premise wasn't idiotic what did you think would happen

Notice how even when potentially becoming self aware they still say it’s having a negative effect on “conservative Canadians” as if they’re the only demographic that would be pissed about a hostile foreign power threatening to take their sovereignty.

The "In-group" is the only one that matters.

What I love is how many of them talk about, "he's just trolling," and it's like, even if he was, is that seriously what you want in a president? Now it's, "even if he is just trolling, this is a bad idea," as if there's ever a time that the fucking president treating international relations like a shitpost would be a good idea. These people are so, so stupid.

They don’t understand that when you have the kind of power he has “trolling” is terrorism.
I am guessing a lot of them will blame this on Biden, citing the normal truth that presidents usually don't make immediately apparent noticeable impacts on the economy. It normally takes months or years for most policy to make a big difference. In this case, the tariffs are so stupid on their face that no honest person could deny they would have drastic effects. Compare stock market graphs to the timeline of trump announcements... but they will deny it and pretend this is business as usual, and because it's only a month in, it's obviously Biden. Nevermind that they would never normally believe that shit if it's inconvenient to their case.

Conservatives are for the most part still deluded into thinking that his goal is to "balance the trade deficit."

It's horseshit. That's not his goal, it's his pretense; the idiot reason he gives his idiot followers so that they don't see him for the Russian asset he is.

Believing that others in their tribe (who they THINK are in their tribe) are being truthful is probably the most ubiquitous flaw conservatives have.

Talked to my MAGA blood again yesterday. Apparently, the conservative talk radio is telling listeners Europe and Canada have had tariffs on us from day one and trump is just trying to level the playing field. America is always paying for them and now it’s their turn to pay.

In addition, firings are “political reward” jobs being removed, because that’s not fair. (Injustice and not fair resonates with everyone.) And a caller apparently called in to talk about his government employee buddy upset that his job credit card he normally uses to buy lunch was cut off, discovered when he tried to buy subway. Again with the “not fair” because most jobs don’t buy you lunch.

They still haven’t told me what show they heard this is on, because I invariably listen and pick it apart and they find my “over-analysis” upsetting.

I mentioned this to a relative that a federal job has lost all security compared to a equivalent private sector position. They said "well no job ever has security". Private sectors only goal is make money for the boss - the other provides essential public services and maintains infrastructure. They are not the same
- Exactly. And part of that infrastructure is the same person filing the paperwork, making sure it’s done right.
I just don't talk to my maga relatives about anything of substance, or about anything at all if I can help it. Less frustrating for everyone involved.
- My closest genetic link on the planet is a conservative. I feel like the MAGA part is as committed as simply staying conservative. They’re my 1.
  
  Everyone else can go to Hell, granted, I speak to many people in the course of my job. Since these people discuss all manner of things with me, invited or otherwise, I do my job and listen, always.

I keep seeing this sentiment expressed over and over again and it seems that a large cross-section of the public still doesn't get it. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, of all places, but it bears repeating:

Trump is not a "businessman." Trump is a con man.

He has never actually run a successful business and he doesn't know how. The only thing he does know how to do is run a grift to bilk investors, creditors, the government, HUD, etc. out of money for projects that he really has no intention of completing or to prop up businesses he has no intention of sustaining. He is incessantly robbing Peter to pay Paul just long enough in the hopes of keeping his creditors or the prosecution at bay -- not always successfully, I might add, because his businesses have been bankrupted four times including the infamous three casinos.

The issue now is that since he's oozed his way into government he is shielded from having the hammer brought down on him by many of the people he's cheated.

“Filing for bankruptcy” was his entire strategy as a business man, though.

And countries can totally do the same. Argentina was bankrupt at least twice, Venezuela has defaulted on bonds, Greece was restructured. And I'm pretty sure there are others.
- Bye, bye reserve currency status and all the cheap loans, inflation reduction and broader economic influence that comes with it ...

Not a business man, a con artist.

And when he does run an actual business, he tends to go bankrupt, and rarely profits more than a broad market index fund would.

In other words, he's objectively bad at business. He would be poor if he hadn't been born rich.

He’s a business man who’s been bankrupt 6 times lmaoooo, gullible clowns

I saw the "and there's no filing for bankruptcy on this one" at the end and all I could think is that even if you thought running a country like a business was a good idea (it's not) why would you pick a businessman who's filed for bankruptcy quite a lot to be the one to do so? I feel like he needs to ask himself that.
The bankruptcy claim comes up a lot. I hate Trump as much as anyone who can form opinions that don't come from a radio talk show, but I'd be willing to he's the bankruptcies were by design. He probably did what the toys r us CEO and 50 cent did, where they funnel money out of a company, and the company goes under.

That being said. He's still a fucking piece of shit who's making the founding fathers roll in their graves
- It's the generous interpretation where Trump abused the bankruptcy system for his own benefit, and I definitely agree.
  
  Still wouldn't want a country run that way, the people are the consumers about to be conned or the investors about to be fleeced.

he is a business man

No he isn't. Everything she's ever touched turned to utter shit and went bankrupt. He bankrupted a casino. Like, how even do you do that? That's not incompetence, that requires a very specific skill set to do

Not just one. He managed to bankrupt 3 or 4 casinos on the Jersey Shore in Atlantic City in the late 80s and early 90s.

That's like burning down a mint 4 times.
He's not, he's a deranged rich kid who got old.
is that not what a businessman does?
You very well and most likely all of us are missing the Y as to why Donald Trump has done the things he’s done and managed to always fall upwards.

I say that because if he’s so bad, he wouldn’t be continuously hired upwards. He’s now the most powerful position in the world so keep it in mind. He didn’t get there because every large business and its founders and CEOs are so much more dumber than the rest of us that they didn’t know what they were doing.

Some CEOs are hired as a hatchet CEO to destroy companies on purpose. To dismantle them from the inside. You guys need to start thinking that all of this is on purpose and is malicious and that they’re smarter than you. The art of war: do not underestimate your enemy.
- This is a prime example of survivorship bias. It's the equivalent of an idiot winning the lottery, continuing to buy tickets, winning the lottery again, and having people say "look how much money he has, he must be some financial genius!"

Just wait tell they find out he does not give a shit about them.

"business" man. He is in the business of crime & destruction. Everything he touches, dies. He is killing it right now.

I can't believe a businessman who ran a casino into bankruptcy isn't good at business!
- Apparently it was multiple casinos.

I'm crying a huge river atm

Things that make about as much sense as "Conservative Environmentalist":

Anarcho Bidenism
People that enjoy fruitcake
Jumbo shrimp
For Profit Social Services
Anarcho Capitalism
People referring to a lion being the ‘king of the jungle’ without realising lions don’t live in jungles.

Fruitcake is actually really nice, provided you make it yourself. Those bricks they sell in stores are nothing like the real thing. I think the store sold stuff is intended as replacements for structural support walls.
If you toast it with peanut butter its almost edible.

"my investments" -TSLA bagholder

Watch out, he's starting to get ticked off! You don't understand, his investments are dipping!

Don't you understand, an actual person (him) is experiencing consequences! He's said all the right words and hated the correct kind of human, this should not be happening to him!
- The real test is whether he's gonna become a leftist or not. Reminder, Right-Wingers are solipsistic & only care when they're personally affected.

Musks head already looks like an archaic human fucked the cadaver of King Charles of Spain he doesn't need to be exaggerated like this.
- Doesn't look exaggerated to me. Spitting image, the likeness is uncanny. Really captures that deep-down fascist soul.
- The image isn’t exaggerated, it’s just depicting Musk as he was before he started on his billionaire plastic surgery journey.

Even if Biden had been as "out to lunch" as they all claimed (which was so crazy it hurt to see), even if he was worse, then at least the people around him knew what they were doing.

We're instead now surrounded by people like the crazy drunk fox news weekend host Hegseth and "one of the victors re-writing history Patel.

These aren't even serious enough people to have a conversation with. I legit think they would devolve immediately into literally saying "hurr durrr" if asked about their behavior for more than a couple minutes.

I legit think they would device immediately into literally saying “hurr durrr” if asked about their behavior for more than a couple minutes.

Too bad every news outlet is so terrified of losing access that they never fucking do
plus Kash and Bogina who are both leading the FBI. WTF. Kash has never fucking run anything, and Bogina is a fuckwit.
asleep at the wheel is actually preferable to someone steering hard towards the biggest cliff they can see

Hahahahah it never gets old

"HeS a BiSnNeSSmaN"

When the fuck has a business/businessman ever given a shit about your interests?

A businessman who has bankrupted casinos and had to be bailed out by his rich family and screwing over his creditors on several occasions.
Hiring business men to run the government is like hiring a fancy mouse breeder to do surgery on your seeing eye dog.
- But he jes needa run this cuntry like a business, that's all we need

He is acting like a business man: fucking over everyone else for his own interest.

They're pretty dumb, they keep saying "canada would be the 51st state" as if there aren't 10 provinces

They have to be accepted as one, just like we need 2 Dakotas and Carolinas.

The senate has to be balanced for Republicans, otherwise it's just not fair, you see?
American media promotes Canada as a singular place. Seattle is in Washington, but Vancouver is in Canada; Detroit is in Michigan, but Toronto is in Canada. The idea that other countries can also be broken down into sub-national jurisdictions that are not politically or culturally aligned just doesn't come up.

That's a privilege reserved only for 'Murica.

Guess they missed the part where President Elon said economic pain was inevitable and necessary

May they lose every dime. May they only know the taste of day old bread and stagnant water for the rest of time. May they shiver in the night and boil in the day. May the rain soak them to the bone, and may the snow freeze their skin. No love, no shelter, no aid.

Amen brother.

He's a TV businessman as in he's as much a business man as any actor. Conservatives seem to repeatedly make the mistake that actors actually do the things for real

My favorite part of this is "Real people are suffering..." Oh no! Real people, you say? I better take that seriously, unlike all those fake people whose suffering is both imaginary, and completely justified. Who the hell cares about any of them?

"filing for bankruptcy" is exactly Trump's plan for the nation, except instead o bankruptcy it'll be martial law

It’s a bittersweet feeling to see their true colors come to the surface from what was always festering under the guise of “traditional values” and “conservative fiscal policies”. To refer to our country as a “company”…well that truly frames the photo exactly for how it is and how it’s been run… at everyone else’s expense for the benefit of very few. Surprise! May not like it so much now that it’s affecting sweet little ol’ you.

"real people" I guess Canadians are not real people for him.

Here's my thinking: we forgive these people if they agree to stand at the frontlines and endure the impacts of the first tear gas canisters/rubber bullets. Then it feels more fair and we can work together again maybe.

Aw poor babies maybe they shouldn’t have voted for a selfish worthless puppet manchild

He’s a businessman who bankrupted multiple casinos. What the hell did they expect?

Maybe, just fucking maybe, the government isnt a business and you should stop thinking the proven vampires of the world will somehow be good for us cattle.

I was shocked to see a poll show 13% of Canadians were on board.

I was not at all shocked to see conservatives misrepresenting that poll's finding.

Every country has REALLY stupid people...
Alberta, Essentially Texas North. Heavily conservative, oil Sands, cowboy hats.

I heard an interesting theory that the stupid tariffs on Canada are intended to destroy their economy and force them to surrender their sovereignty to the US. He doesn't care if his threats trigger nationalist backlash because he thinks Canada is so dependent on the US that they can't resist.

I'm not sure he actually has a plan, but if there is a plan I could see it as a play for conquest.

That would be absolutely mentally deranged reasoning but given other shit hes done, like cancelling the CHIPS act, i would not at all be suprised if this was how he thought/planned
- Hey, CG, would you mind editing the R-slur out of your comment? We don’t do ableism around here.
This seems like a bit of the Gru meme where you add "tank the US economy" as the last slide.
Yeah over my dead body.

Oh, but there IS a national bankruptcy filing, little brainless Timmy.

You're not going to like that at all.

Oh now they're beginning to realize hes a moron at the wheel? No longer the Trump playing 4D meme chess?

MUH INVESTMENTS

Those aren't TRUE CONSERVATIVES and will be banned shortly.

Only TRUE CONSERVATIVES who love licking that orange man's knob are allowed to comment in r/conservatives. Loyalty oaths will be presented shortly.

love licking that orange man’s knob

Well, I've been on Lemmy for all of four hours and just threw up in my mouth. Thanks for that!
- Feels kinda like home dunnit? Two broke arms, coconut, poop knife. Better?

He's a businessman with no business man, he doesn't even have a business plan.

Trump is going to bankrupt America like his past businesses and the guide rails are being complicit.

Oh no, his investments!

He is doing something...for the insider traders. Where the OP lost 15% the insiders dumped off ahead of the storm and will buy the dip.

"BUSINESSMAN GOOD"

If these people existed in the past, before modern society broke the process of natural selection, they'd have perished long ago.

There's no point trying to make rational arguments against something that's fundamentally irrational. Trump's tariffs are just more Rambo posturing for his diehard MAGA legions, who don't even understand that they're the ones paying the tariffs.

Lol what morons. They deserved to be fleeced for all they're worth - they're still goddamn idiotic enough to believe Trump is a business man or that he doesn't explicitly want the "company" tanked.

What if the states all became provinces of Canada? Best of both worlds!

Oh noes! Anyway.

Muh investments

No, just thought of Canada being part of the US is just mind fucking blowing. People here besides the military have no clue what war fucking is. That alone is bonkers. Anything besides that is just as mind blowing. Not even a fucking conversation or thought to have. Canada is Canada and I’m glad to be their neighbor. Anyone want to grab a puppers?

I think the absurdity is the point. Putin wants America isolated, so he's having trump threaten our closest allies.
- Indeed. But my point is how in the hell do you even entertain that idea or finish a sentence like that post? Shouldn’t even be a topic nor a joke. Anyways….. I can go for a puppers.

A fresh bowlful of faces for the leopards to snack on.

the idea is to convince the rabble that invading and taking over Canada is....noble, warranted, patriotic and an American right. just as the Nazis did in the 30s

Bringing back manifest destiny but facing north this time.

The guy that has had way more business failures than successes (and even that's questionable if you control for fraudulent reporting) doesn't understand how economics works? The hell you say...

Yeah, we told you dumb pieces of shit that chaos was bad since 2015. None of you cared.

Just getting exactly what they voted for. Zero sympathy for these cunts. Hope their iNvEsTmEnTs crater to nothing.

I wish I had saved it. On r/conservative they posted a meme where libs said they told you this would happen and they say they don't care because they wanted it to happen. That would love lovely next to this.

Putin's Sock Puppet is a businessman???

I hate everything about this. This "passive income" shit is total BS. Fuck investors, landlords, and anyone absent from their own business. You're scum leeching off the backs of hardworking people!

investors

Yeah fuck anyone who has stock or a 401k!

Oh no ..actions have consequences.. anyways..

That dude is so lost. ::shakes head::

They're learning...

They only care when it affects them. If Trump hurts other people they're ok with it.
...are they though? Or is this just temporary observation until the next outrage distraction?
- Let me have hope pleaseeee

It's a page out of Putin's book make memes about the thing until it's normalised