I'm tired, boss
I'm tired, boss
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Oh so baity!
You can remove "western democracy" there I guess.
Also nah, I can speak out against my boss, my eventual landlord and protest in the streets, because I live in France, a western democracy.
YMMW.
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The French are smart enough to burn cars and loot when their government tries to pull some bullshit. I wish Germans were that smart.
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And yet most of the political forces in France are advocating to remove all these rights. Sindicalists are arrested under terrorist laws, as are eco-activists. And maires trying to enforce price ceiling for lawns in cities are considered like Staline.
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And I can do all this in America. Mind you I work somewhere that struggles to keep people and more selective jobs do pull this shit, same with my landlord. And yeah protesting does often go that way if you’re left wing
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Doesn't matter whether you consider the US a western democracy, they consider themselves one and what OOP says is that that can't possibly be right for the reasons following. It seems you are in agreement after all.
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The US wasn't even mentioned in the post, implying this as generic problems which is not the case.
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eventual landlord
So you're a child? Lol good luck speaking out against a landlord, don't you know it's like a job interview nowadays with references from past landlords and all?
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For the first 2 points: Don't use "Western democracies". This is a US problem. Canada has much stronger labour and home protections.
3rd point: Getting banned online is a "you" problem. Your government has nothing to do with why your shitty opinions get you banned or muted. The fact that you even have the ability to complain about your government online is a luxury many other governments don't afford to their people.
4th point: Whining about cereal variety makes the entire argument hold less water. Who the fuck cares about brands of cereal. Buy your cereal or don't, but shut the fuck up about it. This is an empty complaint about capitalism.
5th point: Fair enough.
I don't directly mean you, OP. Unless you made the meme... In which case I do mean directly you.
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I think cereal is brought in to demonstrate the absurdity of the situation, where something so basic as worker's or renter's rights are non-existent but somehow energy already has went into something so stupid as cereal, which indeed nobody cares about.
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I think it’s more because in American anti communist propaganda the ability to choose between different brands and varieties of products was often highlighted as one of the great strengths of capitalism. It is certainly a benefit of markets over poorly run centralized economies, but there’s everything from market socialism to centralized economies that place more emphasis on ensuring consumer satisfaction.
But yeah it’s often a thing that new socialists in America mock
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First point is definetly a problem in other western democracies. In Sweden there is the "loyalty obligation", which states that you have to -- according to one of the centrist unions here -- "put the interest of the company above your own". It is a strong intrusion in your freedom of speech.
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I agree with the fish that what you say is USA only isn't.
\ Basically where economy (power) is dominated by the few such problems exist.But I would just like to add that I still cringed when you brought up Canada as the counterpoint to USA. Its not that I disagree with what you wanted to compare, its just that to me those two countries are such an extremely similar shade of late stage systems they seem the same unless in direct comparison.
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Canada is very different from the US in many ways relevant to this post.
Canada doesn't have "at will" work. Medicine is purchased by the government with immense buying power. Canada has anti-hate laws that supercede free speech, and still have the right to protest and assemble (which has basically been removed in the US). Women's health is protected, and hopefully soon they will offer free hygiene products for women. Maternity/paternity leave is protected. No abortion bans here. Weed is legal, and harm reduction therapy is a common thing.
I could go on but i feel like you just wanted to cringe at people who don't think the US is a proper "developed" country.
You are also wrong about the economy being controlled by a few. When there is actually only a few, like dictators, they come and take your entire crops for almost nothing, which is an unthinkable tax rate for democracies. You don't get education, and you don't get highways or drinking water. These things are offered to you because the government needs productive citizens to make money. It's The rules for rulers. Democracies are complicated and full of corruption specifically because it takes many people to do anything, not a few.
Tl;dr It takes 2 seconds of research to see you are wrong on every point.
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Okay fair enough. Then as a Canadian, what's your experience like?
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They complain about cereals because they've been fed so much CCP and USSR Propoganda that they think food variety is a bad thing. They're not one of us.
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The point is, all the different brands you see are owned by the same handful of megacorporations So you're not getting actual choice, just the illusion of choice. You're like a dog who gets excited when your owner feeds you dog food from his hand instead of the bowl, because you think it's a treat.
I thought the meme was clear about that, but the average American reads at a third grade level, so I understand reading comprehension can be difficult for you.
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For the first 2 points: Don't use "Western democracies". This is a US problem. Canada has much stronger labour and home protections.
It's a Capitalism problem, Canada suffers from much of the same issues. It isn't as bad, but it is bad.
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In the US, maybe. But that’s considered a flawed democracy and getting worse all the time. Only 8% of the nations on earth are full democracies, a number that continues to fall because of the pessimism and stupidity promulgated by authoritarian regimes.
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Germany on "full democracy" at the same time it bans symbols of Palestinian support and uses the state's violence to contain such manifestations.
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Germany bans stuff al the time. It’s a consequence of our history and the historic leniency towards extremist edges. Your example is debatable in it’s execution, the general thought however is not.
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I'd like to know your sources, because to my knowledge there is no such ban in Germany.
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URUGUAY MENTIONED🇺🇾🇺🇾🇺🇾🇺🇾WHAT THE CRAP IS AN UNSTABLE COUNTRY
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UK is a full democracy? That's a fucking joke, literally all of this applies here. Including no-fault (read: spoke out against landlord or asked for repairs) evictions.
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Technically, it isn't clear if the crown could take back the rights given by them to parlaiment to govern the UK, but currently all decisions are handled by parlaiment including budget allotted to royals who are actually a net possitive from tourism.
For any Tankies in here, Tourism is a thing where people come from far away to share their resources in order to experience food and culture. China unfortunately is such an oppressive and bleak place that nobody wants to go there unless they have to or if they're doing so accidentally by not realizing what happened to Hong Kong.
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This infographic is produced by a capitalist propaganda network, Visual Capitalist, using data from a capitalist think tank, EIU (Economic Intelligence Unit). I would download the report and scrutinize their methodology but it requires you enter a ton of personal information.
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Jesus fuck this map is a joke.
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How the fuck made that chart that put USA on top of Brazil, here the president isn't immune to prison just because he has money
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The infographic was produced by a company called Visual Capitalist. Influence of money on the political process doesn't factor into their calculations. Hell, it probably gives the score a boost.
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"Western Countries good, everyone else bad" what a farce.
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Wait until they find out about non-American western countries
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Except they tend to have higher union participation so it's harder to fire you and more permissible to speak out about your boss.
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Everyone knows that democracy is when you vote for President every four years, and Totalitarian Fascism is when you vote for your union contract every five years.
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I do not understand why you used the word except here
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Perhaps but it's less permissible to speak out against the government.
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Nobody complains
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if I speak out online I could be muted or banned
Do you have any idea what social platforms look like when this is not the case?
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The random board on 4chan is a good indicator for how that would look like (very NSFW and depending on your location illegal content there)
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Believe it or not, even 4chan has some standards. The 8 variants, on the other hand...
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Hint: it starts with a number
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Not solar.
Not punk.
This is grade 8 social studies.
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If you think living in a non "western democracy" allows you to shit talk your boss or the government... I invite you to try.
I hope this won't be banned for wishing death on someone.
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More like: I am so happy I live in america.
Everywhere else you have job protection and renters protection
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You're kinda right, but the law at least in the UK still has no fault evictions, and the legislation proposed to get around that doesn't penalise made/bad "faults". Same with jobs, it's easy enough to manufacture an excuse
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Also, lots of state and local governments in the US have strong renter protections.
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Imagine being unironically anti-democracy and also claiming to be a socialist.
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Not all socialists are Stalin-loving tankies, thankfully.
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Are we talking about American Democracy, where the police have carte blanche to brutalize protesters for objecting to police brutality and a SCOTUS majority can overturn a popular election?
Or Chinese Democracy where you can be in any party you want, but only the CCP gets to hold any real power? Or the Taiwanese Parliament, where politicians form gangs that attempt to beat up each other's members?
Or Thai Democracy, where the courts are selected by the King and regularly disband majority governments for committing Lese Majesty?
Are we talking about Apartheid Israeli Democracy, where over half the population is disenfranchised for being Palestinian?
How about Iranian Democracy, where the Supreme Council gets to decide who can run for office?
Do we like the Brazilian style of Democracy, where an elected Prime Minister can be deposed by the AG and a fascist can fuck around massacring indigenous people for a Presidential term, while the former PM gets the charges dropped and has to run for his old seat?
Are we big fans of the DPRK, where a single family has dominated the federal government since the country's founding? Or are we more inclined towards the Republic of Korea, which continues to send up the children and friends of the old 1970s Dictatorship to run the country, because 90% of the economy is controlled by six billionaire families?
Like, you can't just say "anti-democracy". Cuba claims to be a democracy. Argentina claims to be a democracy. The UK claims to be a democracy. Russia claims to be a democracy. What kind of democracy are we actually against?
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Anarchist types prefer consensus-based decision making processes to democracy. We want the entire community to agree on a course of action, not just let 51% order 49% around.
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There is more than one kind of socialism. And democratic socialism is a thing.
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Have you ever actually tried large numbers consensus? And by large numbers I mean 15+ people. Even if everyone is committed at that point it gets really difficult
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What do you think about how Swiss direct democracy works?
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You do realise that most functional democracies are consensus based, and not based on 51 % ruling 49 %?
In a functional democracy, you have representatives of various groups forming coalitions, such that most cases are passed by a relatively large majority. Of course, some stuff is pushed through by a slim majority as well, but if it's sufficiently unpopular it'll just be reversed after the next election cycle. In most cases, the part(y/ies) that hold the majority seek support from at least one opposition party to ensure that their bills aren't immediately reversed once they lose power.
Consensus is at the absolute core of a functioning democracy, just not the absolute consensus that anarchists for some reason push for. You can't have one person in a population of millions blocking a resolution. What about ten? One thousand? A well functioning democracy naturally finds this limit through the formation of coalitions that pass bills with a broad enough consensus that they more often than not survive when power changes hands.
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A lot of these comments reek of boot polish...
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Those fucking tankies.
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Your instance, Lemmy.today, federates with Hexbear. We don't. Not all criticism of capitalism is in the service of dictatorship.
Anarchists invented the term 'tankie' to describe authoritarian defenders of the USSR in our fight for survival against attack, imprisonment, and assassination by agents of the Bolshevik state. This is an anarchist meme, posted by an anarchist, on a Lemmy instance run by anarchists. You're using the word wrong.
If you see authoritarianism whenever people criticize neoliberal government, the problem is you. Fix your brain rot.
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You live in USA, stop comparing your shit democracy with the rest of us
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I live in Europe and the whole post resonated hard with me. Not sure in which lala land you live in.
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- I found that on European platforms, you can speak anonymously and A LOT more candidly about topics censored on American ones, e.g. SH, nearly all "adult" topics covered in great detail, and what have you.
- My landlord would have a very hard time kicking me out for almost any reason, even if I turned the entire apartment into a swamp.
In fact, the only item from OP's list that rings true to me is the boss one. They will always find a way of getting back to you, legal or not.
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Not every european country is the same
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Yeah totally should do that in an autocratic country, lets go with Russia and lets see how long it would take before the original poster is on their way to a Siberian gulag
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Hey, my house has a lot things that need repaired. I should probably bring up these issues with my family, and get to work on fixing them.
Oh, the house down the road is on fire? Guess I should be fine my house is only falling into disrepair.
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Whataboutism isn't necessary
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That's the "in Africa kids are starving and you're refusing to eat your broccoli" level of argument. Yes, it's bad in Russia, but that doesn't mean everything is perfect in their country. And that doesn't mean they shouldn't strive to make the situation better. Moreover, without any push back it can only get worse.
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Or in China, I'm sure they could at least say their concerns once before they're social credit is shit and they get disappeared.
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If that is the bar we have to pass humanity isn't doing too well now is it? I myself would like to hold a modern country to even a little bit higher standards.
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Fuck borders, everyone deserves freedom, not just people on my side of a line on the map
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And they can vote for a better future. Last UK election we got a labour victory but 8% fewer people voted. Thats crazy.
Of topic, i agree with that, country borders are what making people xenophobic
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While I do see your point, I think the main idea behind this post is that we're told that we live in civilized free western world, but once we rebel, speak ill or become in any way a 'threat' to people on top (while staying within the rules of society of course), that's when you get punished for it.
Something I'll give to autocratic countries is that even though you have no freedom, at least you're fully aware of it. In western countries, you have some freedom but are led to believe you actually have more, if not full, freedom.
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Except only the last point really has anything to do with the government. It's freedom from government control, not freedom to do anything you want with no consequences.
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coercive relationships are the root of evil
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What disgusts me most about conservative voters and capitalists is most of them are so ignorant to admit that capitalism requires balance by virtue. You cannot exist in an environment where everyone is free to have money and buy things with that money and there will always ben enough supply for demand without serious guardrails to ensure it. What MAGA stands for is the idea that capitalism should be highly regulated, highly balanced, and highly fair. These people believe that to their core. They just… don’t vote that way. They’re so arrogant, so propagandized, they’ll continue to vote for the people that wish to continue destabilizing the balance.
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I pity conservative voters. They've been brainwashed by Fox News for decades if not their entire lives
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I actually find that both MAGA folks and modern conservatives are big on Laissez-faire capitalism.
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I still believe that fits the definition:
- An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws.
I add the highlighting to point out that in order for a society to stay fair, it must be regulated. If they believe that a free market should be everlasting, they should also believe that enabling the capitalist overclass would be detrimental to that goal. They tend to vote, however, for that same overclass that seeks to destroy the balance, and destroy any semblance of a “laissez-faire” market.
Like, an example. Trump says he wants to add a 10-20% tariff on all imports. Is that a “laissez-faire” government? However, if you explained to these people, without Fox News, what that meant.. rhey’d clearly say it was some planned-economy Argentine shit.
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What MAGA stands for is the idea that capitalism should be highly regulated, highly balanced, and highly fair.
Oh fuck right off, no they do not.
That's market socialism you're describing, and MAGA bigots definitely don't stand for it, much less understanding that "capitalism" isn't synonymous with "market economy", much much less caring about actual economics, and more just getting to be in a group of likeminded bigots.
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I agree, in that most MAGA don’t really believe in much of anything, if a belief must stand a rigorous showing of competence. However, America has been a country championing socialist policy for almost 100 years. Even those spouting Trumpian garbage believe in liberalism. They just have labels and made-up feelings provided to them by the capitalist overclass, convincing them to destroy themselves.
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I like the 1 comma in that whole paragraph...
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Nothing infuriates me more than missing punctuation
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At least they didn't write "brand's", so there's that.
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That’s the least this person deserves for that crime against readability.
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Rage bait
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Hmm, I've done all of these things and haven't suffered the consequences you describe. Yes, in the US.
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Yeah but if we don't get mad at made up situations then we'll be forced to deal with real issues and that's hard.
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Sure, but have you tried any of these while being black?
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You bought forty types of breakfast?? I don't think I've done that throughout my life.
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Remember the sacred texts:
You all are making me work too hard, so I'm locking this dumpster fire and drinking my coffee.
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"Western" from european perspective tho. This is what reactionary-only regulation and fear of everything social got you into. No clue how to get you out of this without blood shed.
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Yeah there is a point to this, things got measurably worse, but we're also still measurably better than in non western democracies.
Good luck complaining about the government in China, for example. At least here I can complain whilst standing next to a 8th floor window, something you shouldn't try in Russia
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Freedom of speech protects you from the government, who could otherwise publicly execute you for speaking out against them.
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So just semi-public executions then :)
\ The ones lucky to get mentioned once in the 24h news cycle.Also "freedom of speech" should protect you from all.
Its just that the specific brand of "freedom of speech™" you are probably referring to is limited by your personal power.
\ Ie megacorps and the rich have freedom of speech bcs its costs them virtually nothing. But citizens don't. Citizens get gag orders or sued to oblivion & ruined lives (regardless of the court outcome). I'd say that that is a very strong deterrent that in practice limits your meaningless theoretical rights.
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@stabbycicada FREEEDOOOOO-
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I'll just drop this here.
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There are 3 cereal companies? I thought there were only 2 that owned them all.
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I love this chart but it so out of date. The big companies have consolidated more and bought even more brands in the last t10yrs
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Kellogs, General Mills, and Post are the big three and they are all pretty much their own companies.
You could say Quaker, too, and they are owned by PepsiCo.
But most of our food comes from like 5 companies anyway. At least everything in the middle aisles.
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Nestlé owns a shit ton
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What exactly are you telling your boss that's getting you fired? Most supervisors I've ever had would take authentic feedback really well. Are you just unloading emotions at them?
Your lease is based on a contract, your landlord can't evict you for "speaking out" about them unless it says so in your lease, which standard leases do not.
And wtf are you saying online that gets you "muted or banned?" People say all kinds of shit online, wtf are you talking about
Breakfast cereal is ridiculously overpriced and is not food. The only reason you should ever go down that aisle is if you want oatmeal.
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Damn you've been really fucking lucky with supervisors then
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You’re actually an idiot, I was fired a month ago for complaining amongst the company about their inoffice policy. Got a good severance, but they absolutely fired me for speaking my opinion
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That's what they wrote on your paperwork?
"Reason for termination: spoke their mind"
GTFO out of here lmao
More likely you reacted to a super like you have in this comment thread; like an insolent child. Sorry you got checked.
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Stop it, reality has no power here.
Here we worship the unyielding God of manufactured outrage.
We don't want to hear about the fact this meme is braindead worm food.
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I remember when online interactions didn't make me paranoid... But it seems power-tripping banhappy idiots exist everywhere, at least they do on reddit.
Took me awhile to realize Lemmy isn't like that.
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Eh they still are here, it's just easier to avoid them by leaving their instance or finding different communities. I've noticed Lemmy still has a lot of the same type of drama Reddit has but instead it's focused on defederation and beefs between instances instead of stuff like splinter subreddits.
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FFS just don’t speak. There… Is that so hard?
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You could always speak out against your landlord or boss to a person you can trust not to tell them. Social media is a public forum. It’s the equivalent of taking out an ad in the paper to criticize them. It’s your responsibility to represent yourself as you’d like to be seen by the general public when using an account with your name and photo.
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Protest on the public sidewalk.
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- The sidewalk is part of the street.
- The whole street is public property, not just the sidewalk.
- Except private streets but honestly I don’t respect those either and no one should.
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Sounds like Venezuela and socialism, only difference is that leftism there destroyed the opportunity to have multiple cereal brands.
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