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This conversation is held daily over in the echo chamber known as !conservative@lemm.ee

Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.

Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.

So just like the old subreddit then? Weird how that piece of culture sticks with them.
- The difference is that on Reddit I got suspended from the entire site for "report abuse" because I (correctly) reported misinformation in r/conservative and it hurt the snowflake mods' fee-fees.
  
  In other words, Lemmy is structurally superior because there are no fascist admins with the power to ban you from the entire network.
Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.

Im gonna speedrun a ban rq
- Tell them I sent you. That'll probably be enough to get you banned for "Ban Evasion" because they think somebody's running a sock puppet thing or whatever. I don't know, I was permanently banned for that reason when I pointed that Obama actually WASN'T separating children from their parents under a blanket policy at the border. Being right really triggers them.
- "Trump sucks, Bush sucks, Regan sucks."
- Ha, awesome. They'll be deleted when you're banned but I like your enthusiasm! +1 to each and every one of them if I could. After all, I'm banned too.
  
  Heh, 24 hours, they let you off easy
It's full of bad faith arguments, putting rules before humanity, the strictest possible interpretation of those rules, and they LOVE to put words in your mouth or waste your time asking for resources that they won't read and will just respond "What are you even talking about?" because they've already moved the goal posts. Their newest mod spent his first hour as a mod getting in fights about Hunter Biden's laptop and is so vehemently against tax increases because he's one of the rich whose taxes would probably go up. He'll gladly tell you that the rich are already paying TOO MUCH and they wouldn't benefit from paying more.

But, hey, at least they ban the R word and homophobia.
- They should scuttle back to Truth Social or X. It's pretty obvious their ideas aren't welcome here. Comments, posts, anything with a lick of conservative coding to it is downvoted heavily. But they tell themselves it's a few bad actors following them around. Fucking narcissists.
I can understand conservatism at a base level. While it's not something I agree with, I can see why people would lean towards it, and respect that people have different political beliefs.

However, as someone in Europe...what most Americans believe is conservatism would be very right-wing anywhere else in the developed world. If anything, many conservatives in Europe are at odds with the rise of the right, as populism has pushed traditional conservatism out of the conservative parties. In the UK, Boris Johnson literally kicked many conservatives out of the conservatives for not backing him on a Brexit vote, leaving the current PM Rishi Sunak looking at an election wipeout AND basically no MP's remaining that believe in what the party was originally about.

I feel for those that have lost their party, because it basically means that the likes of Trump (win or lose) will likely mean few people that can continue their beliefs in their primary party.
- I don't feel sorry for the people who "lost" their party. To start, it was never a good party to begin with and for the final nail in the coffin, they didn't fucking fight very hard to not lose it, did they?
- The people who lost the Republican party were already far right by european standards. The average Democrat is closer to your moderate Euro conservative, sans immigration and maybe LGBT rights
- I feel for those that have lost their party
  
  Your not owed a party though. It’s as much your individual responsibility to make or contribute to the spaces that represent you as anyone else’s.
It's an echo chamber filled with snowflakes over there. You're not allowed to challenge their fee-fees.
- Echo chambers don't end well. But they need to be ended.
Why even go to any conservative board? Same for the tankie boards. It's just madness in there
- To break up the echo chamber. To me, silence is acceptance and downvoting their posts as I scroll by doesn't feel like enough.
- I go there to be aware of what is going on in people’s heads.
  
  Echo chambers are nice and all (I actually think they are healthy), but they don’t inform you of the current state of everyone.
Being banned from a conservative zone is like a mark of quality humanship.
Except Lemmy seems to have just as many insane extreme “leftists” and tankies that also “both sides” everything.

I can still remember how the news in fucking Germany changed. Suddenly, once Biden was in office, we didn’t get US politics in our evening news multiple times per week anymore. The United States became silent again.

Make America Boring Again
- I long for the days when I thought government was boring and not worth my time. I know too much now too go all the way back, but it's refreshing to have someone just quietly running the nation without starting a shitstorm every time their ego gets a little bit bruised.
- We need to elect PhDs who have proven intellectual rigor and base decisions off data. The current setup is nothing more than a soap opera ran off corporate donations.
Lügenpresse! -Donald Trump
Trump sure was entertaining. We in Finland have had quite a lot of Biden news around us joining NATO but otherwise things have been pretty quiet. I fear the Americans are going to make things interesting again.

Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a "both sides" thing.

I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.

There's a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of "both sides" blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden "Genocide Joe" or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden's policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump's policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.
- Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as "both sides".
  
  Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.
- And it's always either lemmygrad or Lemmy.ml
- If Trump wins, he will outright ban the Democratic Party, if not at least make it SUPREMELY difficult for the party to be changed in any significant way for the better. I will only vote for Biden to buy a little more time in which for the more progressive wings of the Democratic Party to act. Technically, there's nothing stopping our government from just Thanos snapping a party out of existence. I really would not want to see Trump snap his fingers and suddenly the only party with the means to oppose him just stops existing. And before you say the DNC doesn't have the means to oppose Trump and the GOP, they absolutely do have the means. They have all the tools they need to stop them. The will to use those tools? That's what the DNC is sorely lacking. This is because the party is suffused with neoliberals and their bullshit that MUST be called out and pushed out. Unfortunately these neolibs also have a lot of money, something something the more progressive members of the Party are lacking.
- While I’m sure these trolls exist, I think there is still a minority that genuinely disliked the dems and don’t want to support genocide.
  
  My point is: everytime I see someone saying that lemmy is having a coordinated effort to trash Biden, it kind of makes me trust that statement less because I’m one of those who actually criticizes Biden without trolling.
  
  This is why those trolls are so effective, cause their goal is not to troll us, is to get us to troll and argue with each other over miscommunications they started.
- Being unhappy with both options and focusing on Israeli war crimes is a perfectly valid political stance.
Like, I know Biden is not that great, but at least the slow collapse of the country isn't being put in your face every day like it was with Trump.

I can't think of a single other president in my 32 years on this planet that I can say that the end of their time in office acutely improved my mental health.
- Like, I know Biden is not that great, but at least the slow collapse of the country isn't being put in your face every day like it was with Trump.
  
  Noted, but if you work for a wage, you're living the collapse of the country every day. You're likely paying 2.5x more for groceries now than you did in 2020. Permanent $3 gas is here. You're also likely paying for those things with 2-3 jobs.
  
  What you guys don't get is that it doesn't matter that Trump was a bad president. Too many people are living in a bad presidency, and they're going to want change.
- in your face every day
  
  This is the media. And Trump's love of publicity.
They are the Russian bots at it again.
Here's a record of all things Biden... https://twitter.com/PushBidenLeft
lmao, genocide joe shills, i hope trump wins..

I'm pretty old. Biden has been the best president of my lifetime.

He should be viewed as a national hero for beating Donnie in 2020 and making it stick, which was probably harder than it looked. The US President starting a coup has lots of strings to pull.

I genuinely think that the only reason so many people aren't able to admit that is because of Gaza.
- I deduct credit from a President if they are primarily fixing problems that they themselves caused or greatly assisted in creating throughout their previous political career. In Biden's case, that means that he is unlikely to get better than absolute neutral due to his incredibly long history of selling out the American people.
  
  I will not give Biden an 11th hour passing grade just because he is up against Trump, he doesn't deserve to be graded on a curve.
I totally agree, but I also think that every president for the last 50+ years would have walked out of office and into a prison cell in a just world. Judged in that context, Biden looks pretty good.

Also, a ham sandwich would have beaten Trump in 2020. I know this because half the Biden supporters on Reddit were constantly paving over Biden's deep flaws by pointing out that they would pick a ham sandwich over Trump. I have no idea why it was always a ham sandwich. All Biden had to do was hide in his basement and not say anything mind-blisteringly stupid. That and avoid catching COVID from Trump on the debate stage.
- It was a ham sandwich because Sol Wachtler, a New York State Chief Judge, once said that he could get the average Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich, if he were to bring charges against it.
  
  https://kgdefenselaw.com/grand-juries-and-ham-sandwiches
I think Obama was better in charisma and speeches. Which is motivating. But Biden is damn good.
- He had a good sense of humor but also drone strikes
- Idk why someone downvoted you; that's the most tepid take I've read all week.
- The Biden Administration maybe. Joe can't even find his way to stage left
You're quite literally an idiot if this isn't disingenuous
This guy LOVES a good old fashioned genocide.

I honestly don't get the hate against Biden. From what I've seen, he's old and he's done a whole lot of good, more than the average democratic president.

Him being the choice over Trump should be an obvious, nearly anyone over Trump is the better choice, so what the hell is wrong with these people wanting to vote trump or not vote at all just to stick it to Biden?

There's other good answers here, but there's a more basic one.

Biden simply doesn't have the charisma of Obama or the outlandishness of Trump. The reason he was an effective leader in the Senate was because of his ability to coordinate people and get shit done.

It's what he's done as President as well. It's good organizational leadership, but it isn't flashy.
- Biden has also been way better than Obama on policy, which I really didn't expect from his record in Congress. Obama's charisma has really blinded a lot of people to the deep flaws of his administration.
- Good organizational leadership and not flashy is exactly what we need rn. I only wish we weren't at risk of it ending so soon
- It’s not a job for a clown. It’s a job for an accountant. You would expect your accountant to honk a horn each return they do so I don’t get this expectation a president is supposed to act like a sideshow reverend in Las Vegas
- It's what he’s done as President as well. It’s good organizational leadership, but it isn’t flashy.
  
  Loud work wins in corporate America, and I'm sure the same applies here. The reason it wins is simple: this country is full of fucking idiots.
Two reasons. First, there's GOP just blanket hating on anything without their party's Seal of Approval, sometime posing as democrats.

Second, it's in the nature of progressives to want something better. To point out that, while [thing] may be OK, it could be improved, even in small ways. So, while you're comparing Biden and Trump, they're comparing Biden with some Platonic ideal President. Most of them will, when it comes to the actual ballot, and they have to choose between the two actual candidates, vote against Trump, but they'll grouse about it. The others probably weren't going to get off the couch for anyone, anyway.
The only people who are really pushing the trump agenda are Russian bots. Like they did during his first campaign only then it was pizzagate Hilary bullshit.
They're angry and justify to avoid challenging their own worldview. Apart from general evil, that basically sums it up. To expand: Plenty of them are convinced what they are doing is right. They legitimately believe they are on the right side. We don't really see this because we aren't constantly soaking up the same news every single day. We aren't surrounded by people parroting false truths without a check (though we are in our own nodes), and we challenge one another's beliefs, something people leaning left tend to do. For the rest it is about hurting others. A much smaller percentage could be convinced they're wrong and just haven't found a strong enough reason to challenge what they believe in.

None of this is good. Though we will gain the most ground by attempting to be understanding and being firm whenever needed.
I honestly don't get the hate against Biden.

I hate on Biden, even though I believe he is a good president overall. My hate stems for the very obvious (maybe petty) reason:

He is the wrong direction. The way to beat fascism is by being bold, progressive and forward thinking. Biden is basically the “let’s play it safe” candidate. All well and good, but clearly he did not reduce the appetite for fascism.

And yes, I think Bernie would have.
- I agree almost entirely. Boldness is the way to defeat fascism, and Biden is not bold enough.
  
  At the same time, I do think there is a caveat. Reducing the appetite for fascism is reliant on success, and, if I am being honest, fucking no one was going to be successful in this political climate with this Congress and electorate. If Bernie flounders, progressivism is discredited, even if it's not at all his fault; even if he, individually, is doing the best anyone could be expected to do. If Biden, who is very much a moderate on most issues, flounders, appetite for change increases.
  
  There's a sick calculus in politics that, though you as a voter should always vote for the best candidate who has a serious chance to win, in objective analysis, the best candidate winning isn't always the best thing for the cause.
  
  I voted for Bernie in the 2016 and 2020 primaries, and if the 2024 primary was at all serious instead of locked-in to the incumbent, seriously speaking, I would vote for him in 2024 too, just to be clear.
- That's great and everything, and overall I agree, but Bernie lost two primaries. But somehow the trolls ignore that and move to how he should run for president in 2024 because he'd be better than Biden when clearly that'd just help elect Trump.
Prior to being the VP and now President, he had a long political career as an establishment corporate Democrat. His home state is where almost all US usury is headquartered, and he consistently sold out the American people to those corporations. He sponsored the bill removing bankruptcy options from student loans, sided with the banks and credit card companies on interest rates and fees, was a war hawk, and was more than "it was just how it was at the time" racist.

Essentially every bit of the "whole lot of good" has been an 11th hour change of heart and fixing problems he was more than complicit in creating. Add to that the DNC manipulation to block other candidates, and you have the South Park special of a Douche vs. a Turd Sandwich.
- You like "usury" don't ya. The word. I noticed you used it a couple of times already.
  
  Usury. Has some weight to it, doesn't it. Some heft. It's got . . . connotations.
i honestly don't get the hate against drumpf, isn't the us a fascist state already?
- moon logic from lemmy.ml users as expected
- i honestly don’t get the hate against drumpf
  
  We know you don't. Authoritarian sycophants like you love people like him.

Yes OK, but apart from all that, what has Biden ever done?

Reminds me of Monte pythons the life of Brian
- I expect that's the joke they were making.
He mAdE tHe pRiCe oF cHeeSe Go uP!
- biden sitting in the office, twiddling the "cheese price" knob and giggling to himself
- That's why the cheesemakers are blessed, so that they'll increase production which will result in lower cheese prices across the board.
Apparently he personally killed thousands of Palestinian babies. /s
- "You don't think this is a result of decades long fucked up relationship between US and Israel, driven by almost all political and administrative entities from both DNC and GOP, and not just Biden?"
  
  "yOu ArE gEnOcIdE eNaBlEr!!11!"

I’m ready to get past trump so we can stop talking about trump. His cluster B narcissism is loving all this attention. Can’t wait to never hear about the fucker

First we gotta make sure he isn't president again. Or else it'll be a long time before anyone will be able to forget him.
- Father Time is our best friend
I'm planning a party the day he dies, but before/after that, I'm down to never hear his name again.
I'd also love to never hear about him again.

Sadly, I'm pretty sure he's going to win in November.

As someone who takes crazy pills every day, I am highly insulted that you associate me with the Trump administration.

Furthermore, my nipples are in tune with God and tweaking them will grant you his holy message.

But doesn't The Ace of Spades get a bit old after a while?
- That's the way I like it baby!

I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there's bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it's just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.

Any day now...

Everybody thinks they'll come out on top after a "revolution" but they almost certainly will not. Such chaos is far more likely to help than hurt fascists. That's kind of their jam.
- See: Iran.
There's a chapter in uncle Bob's book Clean Code about how everybody dreams of a grand redesign in the sky, but that it never really works out in the end.

I'm sure the same would apply to laws of society.
- Quoting Uncle Bob in this context isn't the best idea though
Revolution will fix everything.

Me, living in Paris in 1926, excited about how the new commune movement will fix everything permanently

Me, moving to Shanghai two years later, because that are the odds of this happening twice?
Also known as accelerationism, yeah
There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it to go wrong. It's kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.

This video is about 2020 in general, but it really encapsulates the news style Trump fostered. Just a firehose of garbage that overwhelms the senses. And it's only gotten worse.

I believe Steve Bannon's quote was, "flood the zone with shit." News is by definition, new, so if you never give people a chance to talk about what happened 5 hours ago, nobody is ever pissed off for the same reason.
- “flood the zone with shit.”
  
  This is pretty much just how US media has always worked.

Like how do people like that exist with themselves all with coming up with an opinion and just not researching it let alone questioning it for a second just to be debased in a matter of seconds. And that’s giving them the benefit of the doubt. Deep down I think they are trolling.

I think it's just because the media reports the negative things that happened under Trump more loudly than they reported the positive things under Biden.
- You think the media reports Trumps bad things as much as they report Biden's good things and that's the difference?
  
  Wow.
- Ya think? Like how they only care about kids in cages when they don't like the president?
Of course they are. After all the allure of spreading fake news anonymously is strong indeed. In such environment default stance is trolling and conscious effort is required to not to when there are no consequences.
- they are definitely a troll and I’m with you on that. there is always a slim possibility there is someone who will read this shit and actually swallows it. So it’s exhausting when so many bots and trolls suck up time of others who are trying to run triage.
  
  And yeah, I wish there were better and more effective consequences than ‘tell a mod’ cuz that doesn’t do shit on meta or Reddit or x
Like how do people like that exist with themselves

In 2016 it was reported by several places that tens of millions of Americans can't absorb a sudden $400 expense without going further into debt. That number has grown significantly under Biden, which is why people don't care about articulating their opinion of why he's a bad president. (For instance, in 2023, homelessness jumped 12%)

Their lives just got harder, and that experience is all they need.

Winners keep score!

Anything from the first page should have disqualified him.

What gets me is the Democrats have a candidate who actually supports policies that would enrich the poor and working poor: Marianne Williamson: Universal health care, universal living wages, affordable housing, free college, taxing the ultra wealthy, etc.

You wouldn't have to make excuses for her like you do for Biden. And even better, she can string together a coherent sentence.

This election is a rerun of 2016. You're all ignoring the most important fact, that tens of millions of Americans have experienced such paralyzing inflation that their cost-of-living has become untenable unless they work 2-3 jobs and sacrifice their lives and health in order to do it. I'm seeing it myself, with 80 year-old parents that have to work DoorDash.

They're not going to care that Trump is a fascist. What's going to win this election for Trump is that he can market himself as the candidate of change.

What’s going to win this election for Trump is that he can market himself as the candidate of change.

People don't understand the power of this, but that was like, half of obama's whole schtick, his whole charisma, despite being a kind of lukewarm libshit president a lot of the time. There's a lot of power to that kind of marketing, there's a lot of power to the anti-institutional appeal, for americans.
Who?

Are there any lemmy servers that consist of more moderate and centrist or even moderate right-leaning people? I don't like solely participating in the echo chambers, because if you don't think like the liberal hivemind you get insulted repeatedly with no meaningful discussion, and the talking points are combative instead of philosophical or thought provoking. Surely there are less extremist communities on lemmy somewhere?

The problem is I want a home feed where left-wing political stances and memes aren't crammed into every possible row, and lemmy users seem to spend significant amounts of brain power making anti-right wing memes and whatnot, so instead of having useful meaningful entertaining content it's just political garbage and left-wing propaganda. Might have to just make my own instance and somehow filter out the useless political rhetoric noise I guess.

I sincerely doubt you have much to add that is philosophical or thought provoking, if this (honestly tired old image) was enough to make you respond like anyone who criticizes Trump, or attacks bad takes about how both sides are bad, makes everyone here extremists. And now you must flee to a safe haven where nobody does that? Is that not... Seeking to participate in a different echo chamber? Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
- Not participating so much as reading the hivemind room temp IQ drivel that usually comes with the territory is just a complete waste of time because there's nothing interesting or valuable in any way. I'm still on the hunt for better circles as is tradition. Eventually I'm going to write my own javascript extension for firefox to help mitigate some of the overly politically biased posts and comments in the main feeds, which will likely have to work over time as I start building regular expression rules and whatnot and start doing weighted statistics. Might actually be a good use case to start using Python to start classification systems as I aggregate the datasets. Might even be an interesting case for machine learning. I think I might actually do that now that I think about it..

I'm not sure revoking the permitting of keystone was a good move?

I fucking abhor the rapist orange turd, but he did sign in the farm act which (unintentionally, especially unpredictably to conservatives) made it pretty much legal to buy weed over the Internet in vape/gummy form. So at least something good came from his term.

We can all be good and lit for next time when he refuses to leave office and turns the US into Gilead.

So the silver lining is that it is easier for you to get high?
- Makes it easier to forget how bad things have gotten ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i know you hate to hear this but its all symbolic cherrypicked stuff.

did he stop the concentration camps for mexicans at the border? or the genocide in gaza? did he rollback anything that matters?

democrats always pretend to be doing shit since i remember, but don't actually get anything done at all. then republicans inevitably come and push the country further into fascism, rinse repeat.

Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.

Not sure why so many of you folks just scream "AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE." and run away babbling into the distance.

There is that legitimate third choice where we continue to push after the election. Biden has shown he will listen. Seems like a plan.
- AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.
  
  i literally didnt say this. we are not saying this.
  
  Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.
  
  i vote for the leftmost candidate i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.
  
  come join me at any revolutionary leftist organization, or a good union if you truly want to enact actual change. this is the momentum we need, participating in the theather wont make that much difference.
OK, low hanging fruit, but do you know where the shift or comma keys are?

Anyway, how is student loan debt forgiveness, as an example, purely symbolic. People like you pretend it's only symbolic stuff, point to a few instances that are, then ignore the rest.
- education should never have been for-profit in the first place. making the problem then selling the solution is not exactly a hero's endeavour.
  
  wake me up when they are pushing for actual change in this regard. if the right is pushing for literal fascism, democrats should AT LEAST be pushing for something at all. they arent because they are another side of the same coin, in on the game.
  
  im not worried about perfect punctuation capitalization on the internet, im sorry if that bothers you.
- they need to hold shift while pressing slash for a question mark and there does seem to be commas in there right now at least
Your symbolic cherrypicked retort is noted. Enjoy the show.
- i wont enjoy trumps victory, no.

The reality is people posting this copium are just upset at the prospect of having to return to opposing the state. Having Biden in power meant you didn't have to give a shit who lived and who died because "Trump could be worse". The idea that you'd "hold him to account" was an objective lie and has allowed you all to sleepwalk into an inevitable victory for someone way more evil than the guy who spent his younger years advocating for killing women and children in Beirut.

If Biden wins, someone like Trump is inevitable in 4 years' time. Either way you're in the weimar republic now.

Having Biden in power meant you didn’t have to give a shit who lived and who died because “Trump could be worse”.

I do have to give a shit, but that's because I'm in a red state.

As a Texas resident, I get to see a new draconian set of fascist laws constrict around Harris County with every State Congressional cycle.

The Biden DOJ doesn't intervene. The local Democrats (John Whitmire, our Houston Mayor, is a prime example) just roll over in the face of it. And folks who protest to loud or too long routinely find themselves dead in the state prison system (the one with cells that go up to 100 degrees in the summer).

"Oh but look at what Biden has done for California and Minnesota and Delaware, tho!"

Yeah, thanks. I don't live there.

Folks in Texas and Florida and South Carolina and the Dakotas are getting thrown to the fucking wolves.
- Oh wow it managed to miss the fucking point entirely

I mean sure it looks good I guess but I’m not holding my breath that the White House office of gun violence prevention is going to stop mass shootings.

All this stuff is designed to sound good on paper but then what’s the real impact?

Yeah, what could canceling 144 billion Dollars in student loan debt do?
- Yeah that would make my life significantly better. Has that passed the courts yet?
- I don't think college graduates are the primary source of mass shooters.
Question:

Has not having that office done any good?

Why isn't Biden out there reminding everyone of this?? People think he haen't done anything because he's doing zero chest beating, which is what you WANT to do to win over the morons not paying attention.

Yet again, Democrats prove themselves to be garbage politicians, yet idiots CONSTANTLY defend Democrats for utterly failing to take ANY win.

This is all so fucking pathetic, watching people argue about which pile of shit they want to step in to.

He is doing all that. How many of his speeches and campaign stops and addresses are you watching? How many White House Press briefings do you watch? How many press releases do you read every day? On the one hand the media doesn't do a great job reporting, on the other hand a lot of us don't pay attention. Or we're just not paying attention to the media sources that actually cover these things.
- Why is he only saying it in stupid nirmal ways? Why doesn't he have everyone browbeating reporters with it? Nobody fails to hear what Trump does, whether they want to or not. Biden does nothing to help himself beyond the "normal" political crap, and that OBVIOUSLY is not how the game is played these days.
He's finally starting to gently point it out, but this lack of messaging is more about how the DNC is total dogshit at messaging.
WE NEED MORE accurate DARK BRANDON MEMES

he constantly flirted with WW3

How?

If we were flirting with ww3 before, what would you say the current president is doing today?

Killing qasem soleimani, Moving the embassy to Jerusalem, Destabilizing Nato, Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear Deal, all the stuff with Kim Jong Un.
- Neat list, when I turn on the news now I hear about lots of civilians being bombed and starved, and targets being attacked within Iranian borders.
  
  If you think we were closer to ww3 before in the last presidency you're full on TDS.
  
  Trump sucked but pretending we were closer to ww3 before is delusional.
- all the stuff with Kim Jong Un.
  
  You mean... literally sitting from across a table from him?
what would you say the current president is doing today?

The opposite.
- How? We are engaged in more conflicts now than before, with far more menacing opposition.

But Biden ended up building the border wall? Also pushing loan forgiveness is neutralized by the fact that he restarted loan payments.

I can list dozens of other trump-era bullshit Biden maintained, but it's tiring.

I feel like I've been having this same conversation for a decade, after watching Obama demotivate the base by maintaining/expanding Bush's policies, while republicans and democrats insist that he actually implemented socialism.

To my knowledge the only sections of wall he's built were funded by Trump's Congress before he left office. Meaning he had little choice but to spend the money on what Congress appropriated it for.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather not live in a world where someone like Trump can just decide he doesn't want to spend portions of the money Congress appropriated. He could just suddenly decide that the federal government isn't going to pay like Medicaid or SNAP.
- this is basically what he tried to do with money for ukraine. refusing to give it till he got tit for tat. Its funny that alciholicorn is continuing the exact crazy type of arguments that the screenshot highlights.
Yes, lying all the time must be very tiring.

Maybe you should stop doing it.
- Were you honestly unaware that Biden built the wall or resumed student loan repayments?

Ok. So orange man is a fucking maniac.

But rejoining the Paris agreement is just dumb without intention or interest of fulfilling it. So many countries have signed it just for show. Leaving it and calling it bullshit virtue signalling is actually better.

Look at the statistics for the countries. It's not doing anything than green washing.

The other points is probably true and great. But the Paris agreement is pure trash.

Damn. I was mistaken. Guess promises will solve the climate crisis. Not action.

The funny thing is that while Trump got constant media attention for personally saying and doing a lot of inappropriate things that past Republican presidents wouldn't have, he was actually a fairly normal Republican president in terms of the federal government's major policies during his term. I suppose he wasn't actually very interested in the unglamorous business of government and left it to other, less unconventional members of his party.

This isn't true in the slightest. Trump absolutely destroyed federal government policies. What presidency were you watching? Bush didn't do anything even close to this much damage to the federal government. Not since Reagan. And that's honestly being generous to Reagan, because he did a lot of federal government damage.
- Do you have any specific Trump-era changes in mind?