Dazzling!

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context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
- You’re the real hero, here.
- And only now I get it. TIL, thanks!

They say horizontal stripes make you fat. But who tf eats horizontal stripes?
- Aren’t french fries horizontal stripes depending how you hold them?
  
  I should really start eating my fries vertically
  
  That's why I eat mine up and down like a baby bird
- I personally think I use vertical stripes look the most fat

I call shenanigans!
- Not same pose. Look at the different size gaps between elbows and body.
  
  When they said the same pose, they just mean they are front facing, arms to the side, as opposed to different positions for each dress. It's pretty darn close. She had to change dresses between shots, so the poses aren't going to be perfectly identical, but they are close enough to make the point that a person looks different depending on the stripes.
  Do you really think that extra half inch of daylight between her arm and body somehow faked the result?
  
  Also the i think the different collars matters. Low No collar, high black collar, high no collar.
- Gj. Thanks for demonstrating this picture is bs.
- Her knees look different on the right aswell

Brb tossing out any horizontal stripes I have left from my closet.
Wait what about flannel? The stripes are perpendicular, so would they cancel each other out?🤔
- Horizontal lines are known to do that but I think the photos aren't equivalent either way. If you cover the dress up or shoulders down, the middle one has a bigger gap between her legs and wider face without being able to see the stripes from what I see.
  
  Loading it into an editor she has about an inch less per hip in the diagonal picture. Its pretty significant.
  
  Ah I see it now. You can also tell by looking at the gap differences between her waist and arms.
- Horizontal stripes actually look great on a skinny person. Or any person, if the pattern is good by itself — while these black/white stripes aren't really a shining example of that (though they would work on a twig-shaped heroine in a 60s French new-wave film).
  Vertical stripes are typically boring imo.
  
  Vertical:
- Flannel's plaid disrupts any curves so it's pretty good for covering up bellies in particular. A big reason I'm a fan of the season of flannel (plus scarfs are nice, too).
  
  Plaid is great in all seasons. I have many pearl snap plaid shirts ranging from thick and warm flannel to super thin beach flannel to just the cotton shirts.
- The horizontal stripes look the best...

First one: I better watch out, she'll call a foul on me
Second one: I better watch out, she's probably a felon on the run
Third one: I can't watch out because I don't know where she is

Something feels manipulated about this, but it also feels like the author/photographer went out of their way to make sure you couldn't prove it was manipulated
- What you're likely seeing as throwing you off is differences because this is an actual human wearing this - PLUS it's essentially an optical illusion. This isn't 3 versions of the same image with just the pattern changed. So yeah, these are actually not perfectly matching up if you overlay them on top of each other. I wouldn't say manipulated per se, just that they're 3 different images so they'll have some differences.
  
  Yup.
  So let's take the body/pose on the right, copy it to all three positions mask the dress only, and overlay only the dress pattern in the same mask to actually show the differences between the patterns only.
  
  I agree with you, but if you measure the width of the dress at the tip of her fingers, the left and right are about 99-100 pixels, while the middle one is 105 pixels wide. Her face in all three images is about 38-39 pixels wide (measured at the earlobe), so that rules out they stretched the entire image slightly. But 5 pixels is significant enough to kind of muddy the validity of the OP's message since it no longer rules out all but the appearance of the dress. It sadly happens that sometimes effects are exaggerated, even when there is a real effect at play.
  
  The dress, it's power grows.
- If you zoom in and measure distances in pixels you'll see it's manipulated.
- I think the biggest difference is the cut of the dress.
  
  Bingo
  Look at the amount of visible background inside the elbows. They are each increasing in conforming the body as you move to the right.
  
  I feel this would be better as a Photoshop job. Keep the same base and just change the pattern. I guess it might be hard to have the lines follow the shape of the body though

(from left to right) a) trying to look slim b) about to escape from prison in 1930 c) trying to confound enemy nation's Navy

Give her the 'ol Razzle Dazzle
- The pyrotechnicrats, the ol' razzle dazzlers
  The magic bean imbibers
  The green giant of the rhyme contrivers
  Supreme violence of the time describers

The first one looks like a bottle, the second looks chubbier, and the third looks great.
Very effective demonstration, actually kind of impressive how successful it was.
- She has different proportions in each picture. I can't tell if it was three different pictures, or they edited one picture and shaved down some spots depending on the dress.
  
  Yes in the third picture which we all think she looks the best, there's more space between her arms and her body than there are in the other two pictures. They definitely shaved down something so she's thinner in the third picture.

It’s funny how they also represent an era. Vertical stripes=50s horizontal=90s/early 2000s, slanted =futurama

I thought everyone knew that stripes change your perception of something. In this case a lady.

Razzle dazzle camouflage!
I'm genuinely surprised so many people are familiar with this.
It's something talked about in perception courses/classes.
The lines make it difficult for humans and machines to accurately gauge depth perception.
For humans it's related to mach bands. And the way lateral inhibition works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_bands https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lateral_inhibition&wprov=rarw1
- I'm genuinely surprised so many people are familiar with this.
  It's the Internet. By now, a lot of people have seen photos of those striped WWII ships.
- How useful would this stuff be at disguising yourself from surveillance?
  
  So the movement gait tracking would likely be impacted by this. Almost certainly. Since it heavily relies on leg movements and stride distance, even wearing a pair of dazzle pants with a regular shirt could, in theory, do a decent job.
  But not sure if there is any research on it. I'll have to look into this.
  As for painting the face in this pattern. It's less likely to work. Because facial recognition looks for specific feature ratios and ignores the rest. (However wearing a mesh scarf covering the face (no eye holes,) with the pattern, would be successful). But any mesh pattern would do this.
  Those geometric artistic face makeup guides you see are worthless. There is actual research on that.
  They don't work.
  But what does work is altering the ratios of your eyes. Because that's what facial recognition software mostly uses.
  Wear sunglasses that also block infrared. Easiest.
  Wear colored contact lenses that expand the size of your iris. Quite a lot do. Especially costume ones. Average iris is around 9-11mm. Costume colored lenses range from 13-15mm. You can even get some that completely cover the whites of the eyes. Tho I hear they are uncomfortable.
  Use makeup tricks to make your eyes look longer or taller. There are anime makeup tutorials that do just that.
  Add age lines. Research shows that older faces and faces with age lines added with paint/makeup , really screw up recognition.
  Be black. Recognition software has a lot of false matches for African Americans. Especially African American women.
  
  Maybe if the stripes were across your face, nobody would notice you. I think the diagonal stripes would make your face look less fat.

It's not the clothes that make you fat, it's the ~~nutritional choices~~ lack of ozempic
- It’s not the clothes that make you fat, it’s the ~~nutritional choices~~ ~~lack of ozempic~~ fat
  
  lol

So which one is supposed to be the good one? Her body looks identical to me in all three photos.
- Really? To my eyes, the vertical stripes are unflattering, the horizontal stripes accentuate her figure in a good way, and the diagonal stripes make her look somewhat slimmer
  
  I see a perfect hourglass figure in all three pics, with just the right amount of curves.
- There's this old propaganda that horizontal stripes make you look "fat," e.g. bad, and vertical stripes have the opposite effect, thinning, e.g. good. This is harmful rhetoric, as it encourages women to overprioritize looking thin.
  It is true that the horizonal stripe dress accentuates the curves, whereas the vertical stripes diminish them. But the values ascribed to these features are ass-backward. Curvy is good! Love the horizontal stripes personally.
  
  I don't think anyone here is against the horizontal stripes. The vertical ones don't make her look fat, they just totally obfuscate her figure and make her look shapeless

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Can someone repost this using something other than Imgur? They block the UK and Mullvad (though if someone is using Mullvad and can access it, let me know what server you're using please)
EDIT: nevermind, I can see it through the web version of Lemmy, just not through Sync or Imgur directly
- Can someone repost this using something other than Imgur? They block the UK
  You gotta get out man.
  Source : left the UK after brexit
- Never had a problem with the se-xxxx-wg-xxxx servers. Can view directly from Sync.
- That sucks :(
  
  Nah it's fine, I'm getting used to having to find workarounds to use my VPN. For example, my GP's online system blocks any connections from outside the UK so I end up using my work laptop
- https://protonvpn.com/
  
  Oh, does Imgur not block Proton? I thought all VPN IPs were in a list somewhere and blocked en-masse, I wonder why Mullvad doesn't work then