Ok, boomer
Ok, boomer
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Managed this as a millennial - had absolutely nothing to do with my parents helping pay half my deposit. Nope, absolutely nothing to do with that whatsoever.
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You can afford a home on a single income if your income is 3-4x of the value of the home, roughly.
Where I live lots of people can afford homes, but they are just super angry they can't afford the homes that they want. They don't want a 2bed condo for 400-500K. They want single family home with 4bedrooms that's about 3-4x the size of the condo, even if they don't have kids, and are outraged such homes aren't affordable for a single person.
But also, lots of people, don't save intentionally and still complain they can't afford stuff, even thought they could if they did save. These are the types who argue with you that 300/mo on gyms is a necessity... but they never go to the gym.
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Ok boomer
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Average annual family income in the US is around $80k/a. Are you seriously suggesting that families should be looking for homes in the $20k to $30k range? What kind of home, exactly, do you think you get for that?
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You can afford a home on a single income if the home is 3-4x that of your income, roughly.
FTFY
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The building next door, with 4 units of 1100sqft each (spread over three floors, ughhhh) is $1.6 million CAD per unit.
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That's a really big brush you've got there, really painting everything in broad strokes.
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Yes its everyone else's fault
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Poster is the grandma from the picture, can we get an AMA?
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The secret ingredient is lead poisoning. The Baby Boomer generation spent over half their lives sniffing leaded gasoline fumes.
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Ding ding ding!
The reason it feels like people from that era are angrier and dumber than they used to be is because they literally are! It’s literal brain damage!
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They still do. General aviation still uses 100LL aka low lead
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Blood concentrations of lead are laughable today compared to when leaded gas was in cars. It's a decrease of 94%. Yes, we still have a lead problem. No, it is no longer anywhere near as bad as it was.
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The FAA finally approved 100UL (unleaded), so the US is on track to stop using 100LL in most cases within the next 20 years
EPA has tight regulations on washing your plane though, so there's no problem with lead /s
Disclaimer: It's better than nothing that the EPA tried to do something, but the government really should have gotten their shit together and approved 100UL decades ago
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While lead pipes were banned in 1986, millions of lead service lines remain in service across the US to this day...
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The boomers have lost all respect
"Ok Boomer" means "that's nice, now go sit down grandpa, the adults who live in realityare talking"
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I treat it like, "Ah I see you shared an opinion in public that is the reason your family abandoned you. And here you are, alone in society - still holding on to your shitty thoughts, and you will die alone."
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Except it gets misused on those of us who were the boomers first victims.
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For a community called “LemmyShitPost” there is an awful lot of gold here.
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Lemmy's shit is someone else's dinner
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I feel like it's more bleeding into, ok x-er now.
Not to say that all of Gen X's like this, but I'm definitely seeing some of the older ranks falling into this sort of behavior
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My GenX dad sure did shut the fuck up about the job market and economy once he had to find a new one. He gave up and retired after working a handful of shitty ones after he got laid off the good job.
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being a stupid ignorant asshole has nothing to do with age or generations.
i know tons of 20/30 somethings who think just like boomers. who are in the same total denial of reality and living in their little bubble world. they think facts, evidence, etc, is a conspiracy or it's just straight up evil because it makes them feel bad.
and they want to feel good and think anyone who makes them feel bad should just die.
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Gen X here, sadly can confirm :( I see what used to be friends turn into selfish people, ignorant derps or conspiracy/russia shills. Or a combination thereof. It's depressing to watch this process up close and have no antidote.
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Let me Tell you a story from a whippersnapper if you care to listen. When I was young and roaming the digital wild West, there's one thing I kept seeing from my peers. People saying "as a millennial/ gen. Z, I'm sorry for my generation" This is always stuck with me as something that was depressing in and of itself, but that also gave me pause for the idea that we needed to be sorry for something in the first place. They were apologizing for stupid things like memes or childish behavior, but I had seen them do these things in the past and have a great time doing it.
The main thing this taught me is that people are a product of their time and the current time. It's usually not worth it to just write these people off as lost souls, but rather to reach out and try to peel back that layer of societal contempt. There's still a human under there and they still have some of the old ideals you used to know, just under a layer of dust. When I see my peers changing nowadays, I don't let that affect my perception of them, I still remember them as the Goofy 14-year-olds shouting swag in the hallways. Now, whenever I meet up with them, I make the effort to brush off whatever nonsense they're going on about now and peel back that layer to see the version of them that I know and grew up with.
It's easier than you might think, just takes a few well placed laughs and you've got your friends back
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Im GenX, and Ill say it. You are all moaning gits, too stupid to get out for your own way because the upvotes from saying "popular thing" are just too good. Every comment I read, goes into this issue like they want to buy a forever home right off the bat in the fancy part of town. Its no wonder people cant afford anything with that mentality.
In 2003, I bought a 25% share of a single bedroom flat in the shitty part of town. It was 8k. I was earning around £4.50 an hour, before tax and national insurance. This was me getting on the ladder. As the cost of housing increased, so did my investment, and I kept on saving. So ten years later, I was able to sell and get into a bigger house in a less shit part of town. Another 10 years later, same thing, only now Im in a pretty OK part of town in a 3 bedroom detached, and it all it took was not being a fucking idiot with my money. And before you accuse me of being rich, I have never once earned more than 30k a year.
So what are people pissing their money away on that I didnt? Well, I cant speak to avocado toast, but I can point to cigarettes and drinking as some of the main reasons why I own a home and no one else I grew up with does.
The Average smoker smokes 10 a day, thats 1 20 deck very 2 days. The average cost of a 20 deck is around 15 quid. So on cigarettes along, thats already 225 quid a month. The average person in the UK has at least one night out a week. The average night out costs around 60 quid. Thats 240 quid. Thats a total of 465 quid per month on just smoking and drinking. Or 5,580 quid a year. Over 10 years thats 55,800 quid. And if you are telling me, that THAT is not enough to get a deposit for a house? Im sorry, Im calling bullshit.
Things might not be as easy as they once were, and yes the prices are stupid, and yes landlords are cunts, but people keep on talking like they have no options. The average wage of a full time worker in the UK is 37k a year. There is zero reason that a person making that much cant save as I have outlined here, and get themselves a deposit for a mortgage that will allow them to be able to afford somewhere to live. But if you want to live in a major city... well, thats a YOU problem. Theres plenty of housing around cities with minimal travel times that are inside values Ive outlined here. A lot of people need to get out of their own way, and stop making excuses. If you want to be able to afford a house, you have to make some sacrifices.
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What the fuck are you on about?
First your not even on topic here for this thread for this comment. Typical.
I want you to do a little mental exercise, put a pin on the shit you just said and translate all your life efforts to today's economic situation. Example.
Your 8k in 2003 was about 14k in today's market. That 8k was %25 of the total amount so your first buying the flat cost around $56,000 (2003) , $98,601(2025).
I want you to find a flat, house whatever that is Liviable for that price. 100k. Easy peasy right? I won't even try to explain to you the current pay differences cause you likely wouldn't listen anyways.
From a genX that just hit the 50s and is technically now part of this boomer group,
Ok Boomer.
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Yes, but it has nothing to do with generations, or age. I prefer "MAGA" to boomer, because I think that's the group most people have a problem with. MAGA does not correlate well with age. MAGA comes in all ages, and even cuts across class. With the rich class supporting it because it's to their advantage, and the bigots of the poor class supporting it because they are bigots and ignorant.
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MAGA is a group of people in the US. This phenomenon however is worldwide, and nobody in other countries is going to use a US reference for it.
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Boomers are a US generation though. Where I live, boomers would've been born in the early 90s. Thats when we had the baby boom.
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MAGAs and boomers are different groups (that's why the words are spelt differently)
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Maybe using MAGA as a slur will work better than calling them weird.
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maggats
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I feel like “having it easier” can be relative. I definitely have it easier than my grandmother who is a black woman born in the late 1930s who only has a high school education. I’ve even had an easier life than my parents in many ways, even if they did achieve the “American Dream”. I may not be able to afford a house right now, but everything else has been easier as a whole so far. I’m in the USA, so we’ll see how the rest of it goes.
ETA: spelling
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don't let context and subtly of reality get in the way of your intergenerational rage narrative!
my parents were stupid ignorant fucks... but the sad fact is their life circumstances meant they were never going to be anything but that.
and plenty of people think stupid and ignorant merely because I dont agree with their extremist political ideology or their doomer mindset or chasing whatever trend is popular on social media that month.
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I was told the other day by someone younger than me that saying "okay boomer" is cringe now. The new hot hip fan-didly-tastic slang is "unc status" or "aunt status", apparently. Means the same thing, but in sleek Gen-Z packaging.
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Okay zoomer.
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I feel like there is always some level of condescension when talking about other generations of slang and I wonder why. There's a smack of snark to the redundant duplicated repetition of "hot hip fan-didly-tastic" and "sleek Gen-Z packaging", and "cringe" is obviously derogatory. Can't we casually accept that "the new slang is" what it is, and set an example for the younger ones in turn?
Couldn't contemporary colloquialisms coexist comfortably?
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I love using the new slang. It makes my kid turn red, which I find hilarious.
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Fuck I am too old for my own generation. Mentally and from my speaking I am way more millenial than gen z
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You arent alone lmao
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I'm so old that I used to tell this story to people to figure out if they were too young to bother with:
A friend and I were in a cheap restaurant for breakfast after being up all night. Server brings the drinks we ordered, sets them down, goes about her business.
"... Hey! This isn't orange juice. This is Tang. Who does she think we are, astronauts??"
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ngl tang is awesome. mom made a tang pie recipe we saw on tasting history and it was delish
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Hah, your powers of deduction won't work on me! For I am young, and not even from the same continent as the USA so Tang never existed here!
But I know the link between NASA and Tang because I'm a NERD! MUHAHAHAHA (It wasn't ever actually Tang that flew but rather a NASA concoction, but boy is it good advertising!)
One particular astronaut was once caught on a hot mic complaining that he was extremely sick and tired of drinking the juice they provided and made them drink in significant quantities during the flight... I'll leave you to go look the details of what he said and why they insisted they drink so much of it, because I want you to get sucked in to Apollo history too 😈
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The hardship Boomers had was mostly far away and hypothetical. They grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war.
The old Star Trek episode "Gary Seven" has an interesting take on this. Boomers expected that civilization would end before they got to adulthood. Then it didn't, and they had no idea what to do with themselves.
Then they come to a time when they're resented by both their parents and their children. The Greatest Generation was horny after the war and literally fucked the Boomers into existence, but realized too late that they didn't actually like having children. Boomers treated their children the way their parents treated them. Gen X sorta puts up with it, but Millennials aren't having it.
Other than that, capitalism knew by the 1950s that if they push the working class too hard, they'll revolt. Better to back off the money printer a little to make sure we can keep running it for as long as possible. And so the working class could have a reasonably comfy life doing the same trades for their whole working life (provided they were white). Over time, capitalism found that it can keep a working class revolt from happening by dividing the working class against each other; racism and religion works pretty well. Then it was time to overclock the money printer.
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Can also be used to refer to a boomer who seems surprisingly OK.
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Now I want to see someone wearing a shirt that says:
I've been told I'm an "OK Boomer"
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Ok, dad! 🙄
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Can also be used if you agree with former Bengals QB Boomer Esiason.
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Who was born in 1961 making him...
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i have respect for my grandparents so i dont call them this but when they bring up stuff i just nod becuase its better to let them ramble than sit there and argue with someone who could have a heart attack.
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There's only two things I hate in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's generation, and the millennials.
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I guess it's to be expected. Boomers were raised in pure bliss, spent half their lives relatively stress-free. Everything was easy and cheap. When you live an easy life, you get used to being dumb, uninformed and lazy. The same would have probably happened to all zoomers in the same situation.
Note that this is mostly specific to North America, Western Europe, Japan and maybe a few other countries. Pretty much everywhere else boomers aren't all that different from zoomers, save for regular intergenerational differences.
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I guess it’s to be expected. Boomers were raised in pure bliss, spent half their lives relatively stress-free. Everything was easy and cheap. When you live an easy life, you get used to being dumb, uninformed and lazy. The same would have probably happened to all zoomers in the same situation.
I'm not a boomer, but this isn't quite a fair characterization. Yes, they had cheap college, affordable cars, housing, lots of upward mobility that most of us would love to have today, but they lived through some shit too. Boomers were in their youth when humanity had its closest brush with global nuclear war when the bombers were in the air flying during the Cuban Missile Crisis. They lived everyday with a really good chance the world was going to end in nuclear war. They were the last generation to see a compulsory military draft and many know high school friends that were drafted and died in Vietnam. We think interest rates are bad these days making borrowing expensive. No shit they were having to get mortgages with a minimum of 18% and 19%:
This says nothing about the many racial and sexual discrimination issues that those groups faced making basic life even harder. In Canada it wasn't until 1964 that a woman could open her own bank account without her husband's consent. In the USA, redlining preventing people of color from buying homes in better areas denying them untold billions of dollars of generational wealth from real estate appreciation.
Absolutely give the out-of-touch boomers that are dismissive of the problems young people are facing today the shit boomers deserve. They did so much to harvest the benefits of the last century and leave the bill to the younger generations while simultaneously destroying environment for the later generations to thrive the way they did. Just don't forget that each generation has its problems too and there hasn't been a generation yet that has been entirely carefree.
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Just using the interest rate is an unfair comparison. You have to go get median house prices and median incomes as well to make a proper comparison. Just saying the rate was higher at some point is useless if we don't also compare the prices and incomes because what really matters is affordability. Not saying your whole comment is wrong, just trying to say that this particular part seems to be biased in favor of the Boomers.
Median home price to median household income ratio This ratio is a key indicator of housing affordability. It measures how many years of the median household's income are needed to purchase the median-priced home. Period Median Household Income Median Home Price Price-to-Income Ratio 1980
$21,000 ~$65,000 ~3.1x 2024 ~$85,000 ~$415,000 ~4.9x Comparison of mortgage payments Even with the high interest rates of the 1980s, the lower home values meant a smaller overall loan and a monthly payment that took up a smaller percentage of the median household income. Here is a side-by-side comparison of a hypothetical mortgage for a median-income household in 1980 and 2024: Mortgage metric Early 1980s 2024 Median income $22,000 $85,000 Median house price $47,000 $415,000 20% down payment $11,000 (50% of annual income) $83,000 (~98% of annual income) Loan amount $36,000 $332,000 Interest rate 13% 7.5% Monthly payment $397 $2,321 Payment as % of gross income
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They were channeling their inner Gen X with that one. "Whatever."
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As a Gen X person, this is kind of my response to any sort of right-wing nonsense now. Especially that thing where you say something that's obviously true and they ask what your source is for that so they can nit-pick it and exhaust you with irrelevant bickering until you give up.
"Society seems to be degenerating into fascism again"
"oH yEaH wHaT iS uR sOuRcE"
"Outside."
Or I'll just be like "no" if I even bother responding at all. You're probably just arguing with a bot to drive up engagement that benefits some rich dickhead somehow anyway. 100% not worth it IMO.
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Yeah, it's pretty easy to pick out someone who's genuinely asking in good faith (extremely rare) and someone who just wants to own the wokies. As you say, 99% of the time engaging is a complete waste of time.
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it's arguing in bad faith. as in you aren't actually arguing or debating, they are just seeing to beat you down for not agreeing with them.
lemmy full of these types, despite their claims of being educated and data-driven or whatever. i had someone the other week tell me my citation of data form the USA Labor Bureau about jobs numbers was 'lies' because apparently statistics don't count if Trump is in office... pointed out the data was from Biden to now and they just told me I was an idiot then cited some other source that was totally partisan nonsense.
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I'm 45, so not a boomer but already too old to get any respect from people in their 30's (90% of my colleagues for example). Simply speaking about something they didn't experience (reading a map, installing an OS, meeting the love of your life without a dating app...) gets me a "Ok Boomer" each time so what do I do? I just shut the fuck up. I'm not worried, they'll be in my position very quickly.
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Send them this. I'm sure they will get it.
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Bro, I'm 28 and I feel this way. It's like I became uncool overnight
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I mean, I'm going to invite everyone of every age to strip bottomless, take any "back in my day we didn't have your fancy [whatever]" removed an moaning you have to do, dip it in honey, roll it in sand, and cram it up your exposed ass.
I'm 38. In my mid-20s, I taught flight school, mainly to people twice my age, and this included a fairly large section on reading Sectional Aeronautical Charts. I've got zero fucks to give for someone 7 years my senior pulling "back in my day we had maps" shit.
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I always kinda wonder if they went the same experience of being misunderstood by their previous generation. Old people get inflexible and its also an indication the world is still changing alot with each generation. Still the lack of self reflection is astonishing.
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Here's the thing: They don't need to get with the times, we don't expect them to. But they should shut the hell up judging others. What's screwed up is the selfishness and lack of empathy for people.
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Exactly, I have more important thing’s to do than repeat myself to someone who does not care
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When I was growing up, my mom loves using the phrase which would roughly translates to "while you are still going forward, I'm turning back", which is a thought terminating cliché to mean do as she says because she has experience. She doesn't say it as much as she used to because she regrets having been a strict parent. But if she pulls that line again, I have a comeback ready to tell her "you've turned back, but the environment you grew up in changed".
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But "okay boomer" has just become a bland, flavorless retort that gets said by anyone to anyone for any reason.
It isn't an expression of frustration at an audience that rejects facts and reason, it is a pithy retort that gets thrown out to say "STFU" to someone in slightly more polite terms.
Like, the root of this isn't unfair. But as with so much internet lingo, the initial intent has been polluted by online gooners who latch on to a phrase and use it as a barb rather than to convey any particular kind of coherent message.
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I mean, not always. It's still used appropriately. It's just also used inappropriately as well.
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Like many meaningful pieces of language, its meaning has been diluted by those who increasingly do not understand it.
See also: Gaslighting, OCD, Anxiety, etc.
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Hey you leave gooners alone. They aren't hurting anyone. They're just jerking off.
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They are Marxists, they are anarchists, they are agitators, they are looters, and they are people who, in many instances, have absolutely no clue what they are doing.
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Failures in education and misunderstanding aren't unique to any one generation.
Think about how the right wing genz have completely abandoned gender and racial equality and are voting against green politicians.
Think about how millennials have embraced AI and get their news from corporate-controlled social media despite all the evidence for its harmful effects on democracy and critical thinking. The millennials who support the genocide in Gaza.
People aren't convinced by the fakeness of modern media and want to believe what they already believe. That's something that's affecting all the generations.
You can call me a boomer and you'd be wrong.
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It isn't just a failure in education or misunderstanding.
For the most part, "OK Boomer" gets used when someone is expressing something as fact which may have used to be true, but no longer is. Maybe the use of the term has shifted over time, but that was the crux of that use.
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Works both ways Though. I'm hearing over and over from groups that consider themselves victims, having similar sentiment, but shocked when the other group behaves the same way.
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Haidt wrote a book about this a few years ago and had a big Atlantic article. Victimhood is the new virtue. Everyone in this 'victim' economy is socially competing about who has the biggest/most legitimate grievances.
It's the en vogue version of social competition...
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It's definitely based on where you live... Whether you get a USDA backed loan, etc... I financed my house, 15 yrs ago when rates were between 3 and 6 percent. 2200sqft 3br, 2 bath, with half finished basement on a half acre, and deeded lake access point (Lake Norman) they wanted 120K, but I talked them down to 100K. Since it's out in the country ( about 15 minutes from the city), it qualified for USDA, which means no closing costs, 30 year FIXED RATE. I pay $650 a month for my mortgage...Only downside is that it was built in 1973, but there are so many houses out here like this, just sitting...
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I feel like this is also a Gen Z thing. Millennials try so hard with everything all the time, Gen Z probably thinks that's annoying (but maybe cute how naive and stupid we are to still try?). So "Ok Boomer" it is, which makes the exact effort to deal with boomers as boomers make in dealing with everything other than themselves.
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And then it got appropriated and misused so that anything, even perfectly reasonable statements like "you should be cleaning your butthole when you shower" by literally anybody even 27 year old men, gets a response of "okay boomer".
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Ok boomer
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oskibi doomer
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But.... but... participation trophies!
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Ok boomer
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Pseudo moralistic standing is like someone insisting their plain spaghetti is the only true pasta while ignoring the sauce that gives it meaning. They act righteous based on appearance rather than real substance. Spaghetti without sauce looks neat on the plate but leaves everyone unsatisfied. When people adopt a moral stance only to look good, it is empty and often slippery. It can twist around whichever way gets the most approval. Real morality has flavor. It nourishes. Pseudo morality is just noodles pretending to be a meal.
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Further proof that intergenerational criticism in either direction is dumbass bullshit.
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Dude, peole have been using that on 4chan since 2015 or earlier to tell people that they were out of touch with current affairs or the state of the world. Wasn't aimed like that.
Making up your own history to throw hate is such a boomer thing to do.
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lol no
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Ok millennial
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What sort of conversations are you having with your gf?
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Unlike their boomer ancestors, the current generations talk with their partners about all sorts of things, not just about sex and dinner. Almost as if they are not only sexual partners but also close friends that understand each other.
TL;DR: Ok, boomer.
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Just wait - Millennials and Gen-Z - until there's a war and an active draft in the US again.
Venezuela anyone? (Dear God, I hope not but the current asshat in the Oval Orfice seems bent on taking a page from the Monroe Doctrine and adding teeth. Gotta justify Kegsbreath's trillion dollar DOD budget plans after all..)
Shit's gonna get VERY real and you may gain a bit of insight as to why 'boomers just gave up and "went condo" as they used to say.
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Ok, boomer
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There will never be another draft. Our military is to big, and we aren't going to try to occupy anything. Drones knock down our deployment numbers drastically. Unless there was actually a war with someone like China or on our own soil, there is no need. We currently have about 2 million people already volunteered. Our largest force during the Afghanistan/Iraq bologna was around 100k. So we could send 10x that and not get into the reserves. Our military is way to damn big
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Venezuela
that'll just be the start, these fucks will have US kids patrolling the darien gap and defoliating the fucking continent given half a chance
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Ok. Don’t learn from others mistakes and wreck your life on your own.
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Ok Boomer.
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"I haven't learned how to communicate with people that have different ideas than me so I just come up with new slurs to call them!"
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ok boomer
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No I don't have the time for people who don't have time for me. Every boomer in my life decided I was lazy, weak, dumb, or worthless before trying to actually take the time to see if that was true. Why should I have spent the time trying to convince them otherwise if they already didn't care? It's not like me showing them how wrong they were benefits me whatsoever. Wasted energy that could be better spent improving my life and the lives of people who do care.
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This gives me flashbacks to the one time in my life I really wanted to answer “okay boomer”
My father in law was supporting the claim the climate change might exist, but it’s nothing we have to concern ourselves about because it’s going to take decades to do anything.
And I was like: you have grandkids, they will be there in decades! And: you just experienced the first drought of your country, how is that not climate change??
After half an hour going in rounds I gave up and bit my tongue to not torpedo our relationship. Two years later he admitted that maybe there was something about climate change nowadays…
Decades ago my stepmother did this in front of her 8 year old daughter... I was like, ok you'll be dead, and you don't need to care about me as your stepson, but what about her?
Ughh... Now her and my dad are MAGA...
I'm so glad my wife is basically no contact with her parents, because I never have to play nice with them.
In my case, they are overall nice and caring people with, sometimes, a bit of a blind spot. I was very glad when they came around on the climate change issue, that was the only sore spot between us.
At least they changed their mind (a little bit). I think this is a huge part of the problem: admitting an error and being supported for that admission is something that is frowned upon in certain groups. I think toxic masculinity plays one big factor here. Admitting errors is seen as "not masculine", especially within conservative groups.
it's frown upon by every group.
nice way to blame 'masculinity' though. as of women or something don't do that shit.
Life is too short to bother maintaining relationships with people like that. They can rot away in lonely isolation, like they deserve.
the vote though. and they vote a lot more than the people who don't vote...
You know one snippet of my father in law. Is it really sufficient for you to judge the whole man? I sure hope never to be judged so harshly!
dude torpedo the relationship, who gives a fuck. if they want to be ignorant fucks and ruin their relationship with their child, that's on them
they won't change if there are no repercussions
You advocate blowing up a parent-child relationship just for not getting the instant gratification of convincing them to change their political views in a single day?
That’s decades of history prior and more in the future hopefully. Some things just take time.
Some people just take a while to absorb new information.
My father would always seem like he was completely stuck in his ways and unyielding if you argued with him for one day. But if you came back the next day, he usually had a much better view and had accepted some of your statements.
I actually enjoyed debating him once I learned this, and learned to drag out the debates over several days. I also understood a lot more by copying his method of learning.
Not everything needs to be instant. Give people information, then give them time to think about it.