A third of Americans believe Trump’s presidency is part of God’s plan
A third of Americans believe Trump’s presidency is part of God’s plan
www.independent.co.uk
A third of Americans believe Trump’s presidency is part of God’s plan
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Aaaaaaand this sort of shit is why I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’re not recovering from this, and that I need to get the fuck out.
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Probably too late now. It takes years to get out legitimately. The cult is going to turn America into whitemanistan rapidly now that the foundations are laid.
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"It's God's plan" is the phrase people use to comfort themselves when disasters happen, so I guess that tracks regarding Trump’s rule.
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In my experience growing up evangelical, it’s as much a plea as it is an assertion.
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Yeah. Everyone assuming this is some sort of praise or support of the current presidency really don't know how that phrase is normally used. Half the time I heard that phrase it was in a "wtf is going on right now"/"this shit sucks" sort of way.
Shitty clickbait title is shitty.
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But confirmation bias is real, judging from this comment section populated by the incurious.
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It’s also gods plan that the Middle East nukes themselves so Jesus will return and the rest of us will go to heaven. Except for Hindus and the Chinese and a ton of other people.
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That's because a third of Americans believe everything that happens is part of God's plan because he controls everything good and bad.
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Yeah, far be it from me to rush to the defense of religion, but this is not quite as scary as it sounds. You could very well have a religious person answering this survey who absolutely hates Trump and thinks he is a force for evil. Like you said, most Christians believe literally every event is part of God's plan (which is quite reasonable given their axioms tbh).
In fact the article clarifies this:
"That survey, of a nationally representative sample of 8,937 Americans from across the U.S., found that overall, 4 percent believed God chose Trump because He believes in his policies, while another 32 percent think Trump’s election is part of God’s plan, although God may not necessarily agree with his program. Nearly half, 49 percent, said God doesn’t get involved in elections, while 14 percent said they don’t believe in God.
When it comes to white evangelicals, those numbers are much higher, with 8 percent believing God ordained Trump because He agrees with his policies, and 63 percent thinking his election is part of God’s plan, whether the deity agrees with his policies or not. Their beliefs held firm with regards to Joe Biden’s election in 2020 with 67 percent of white evangelicals believing his victory was part of God’s plan – but with the stark difference that a negligible percentage believed that God agreed with his policies."
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Wonder why they don't say that when Democrats are in the oval office..m
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According to the survey, they did.
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America has a Christian Nationalist problem.
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America has an individualism problem and well fuck me running if Christians just happen to be the absolute worst when it comes to the rights of others being of no consequence.
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This is something that hit me like a ton of bricks after living abroad for a bit. It definitely made me think a lot about how much more pleasant things are when people are at least marginally considerate of others, and just how little some people seem to do it in the US.
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21% of U.S. adults are fully illiterate. Another 33% can't read better than an elementary school student.
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And the GOP has been working to steadily increase those percentages.
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USA!!!
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Not a cult.....nope.
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I am reflexively really resistant to calling Christianity a cult because it doesn’t really meet all of the criteria we usually use to define a cult - particularly a singular charismatic leader.
But then…even that criteria arose in a culture dominated - hell totally saturated in Christianity, so I’m questioning those reflexive reactions lately.
I think Evangelical Christianity, which is now functionally interchangeable with Christian Nationalism, is, if not a doomsday cult, then certainly has all of the bad things you tend to think about when you think about doomsday cults but with orders of magnitude more actual political, social, and material power.
So in some ways, calling it a cult is really underselling how dangerous it is.
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I'm honestly not referring to Christianity as a whole. I'm referring to Trumpists. They don't worship God, they worship Trump. He's there false idol and their too deluded to even recognise it.
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a singular charismatic leader.
Jesus.
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How is there no single charismatic leader? The whole article is about their single charismatic leader. Minus the charisma due to dementia.
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Daily reminfer that 33% of the US is crazy, and the majority hate Trump.
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A Christian (or, really, anyone who believes in predestination) thinking "X is Part of God's Plan" is perfectly consistent with their understanding of the world.
It's the Christians who don't believe this who are being irrational
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TIL one in three Americans suffer severe mental health disorders.
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The more I see shit like this, the more I ask myself, why are we trying to save this?
- Our legal system has been broken since it's creation.
- Our representation has never represented us.
- Peace is an imaginary thing, at best.
- Calling any country our allies, is a joke.
So what is the point of all this shit?
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The point is that America has managed to make a lot of guys richer than God by allowing them to exploit millions of people
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The point is that America has managed to make a lot of guys richer than God by allowing them to exploit millions of people
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Isn’t everything that happens a part of God’s plan? I do not understand the thought process of most Christians.
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Everything they agree with is part of God's plan. Everything they don't is the work of the devil. When you can control what is "seen" as God's plan, you can control the population. And anyone who disagrees is under the influence of the devil and an enemy. Basic cult mentality.
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I love how they overlook that anything the Devil does is, by definition, part of God's plan. Evil to exist is what God wants. lol
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A third of Americans are incredibly fucking dumb.
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More than that actually. There's more than one way to be dumb. Religion isn't the ONLY way.
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Just the loudest.
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I’d say that’s closer to 98%
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98%? Sounds like a really good grade!
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well, duh?
if you believe in God and you believe God has a plan, then this is part of that plan
how many Christians don't believe God has a plan?
it was God's plan for Charlie Kirkkk to die publicly. it was God's plan for all those school children to die. it is God's plan to abuse and murder non-whites in the US. it is God's plan to have the wealthy and powerful abuse young women and for the masses to protect them
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To play devil’s advocate (or perhaps God’s advocate?) if you leave behind the relatively recent “God is omniscient, omnipotent, and all-loving” thing, then bad things happening would be part of even a benevolent deity’s plan. That is to say, bad things are going to happen, working to find a balance that works out well in the long run would be the goal.
“God works all things together for the good of those who love and trust in Him” is a commonly misunderstood doctrine. It isn’t that nothing will ever be bad. It’s that even bad things are included in the plan.
(The Mistborn series, especially the third book in the first era and the books in the second era, does a good job with this concept. Also the final book in The Wheel of Time touches on it during the confrontation with the Dark One.)
So theoretically, even a Christian who despises Trump could say Trump’s presidency is “part of God’s plan.”
(But I’m guessing that’s not what most people mean when they say something like this.)
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Yeah, and for the benefit of the many people who didn't read the article, it says this further down:
overall, 4 percent believed God chose Trump because He believes in his policies, while another 32 percent think Trump’s election is part of God’s plan, although God may not necessarily agree with his program.
To put it into perspective, anything less than 5% on the extreme end of a survey is generally treated as the "nonsense response" or "straight-line response" effect, i.e. you can put the most ridiculous thing imaginable on a survey and reliably get 5% positive responses on it. 4% means that the notion was too spicy even for a lot of the usual loonies.
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They wouldn't say Biden or Obama is part of God's plan unless they were honest with themselves
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relatively recent “God is omniscient, omnipotent, and all-loving” thing
So recent that checks notes voltaire wrote an entire book lampooning the idea. And the lambasting of the idea of god who would allow people to suffer is best done by christians themselves: the idea of such a god, a "moral monster," was argued against very well in against calvinism by roger olson.
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I used the phrase “relatively recent” on purpose. It’s not a new idea, but it also isn’t ancient.
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So, basically, they're saying God is a colossal asshole. Gotcha.
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No no no. God is good and all powerful, but the forces of evil are ruling because everyone else is so sinful. So god is big sad/mad but it is also part of his plan so 👍
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One needs only read the Bible to realize that gods morality is sub human and utterly demented. That was one of the points that made me stop believing in god, when I realized that I as a young human, had more goodness, compassion and morality than the god i was reading about. A god not worth worshiping or even thinking about.
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Unironically yes.
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One thiest view of morality is that it is arbitrary, so literally anything that God does is good because that is what goodness is.
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Well I mean the similarities to the antichrist are uncanny. I can understand the feeling.
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Just more proof that everything going on right now is because of religion. They want to control everything and everyone, and punish everyone that doesn't fit their fictional god's plan. Project 2025 exactly.
If you're religious and reading this, fuck you. No really, even though you think you're one of the "good ones", FUCK YOU.
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This is why we are completely and totally fucked.
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Religion should be added to the DSM as a dangerous disorder.
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Time for a rev bump to DSM-6.66
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So is cancer, pedophilia, child starvation and the actual literal devil. What's their point?
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The devil doesn't exist, literally
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Right. But I was responding to a headline about people who believe that the devil does literally (as written) exist, and is part of their God's plan.
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Imagine how stupid the average person is and now realize that half of them are dumber than that.
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I want out of here. Trump has never been to church, and when asked, couldn't name his favorite Bible verse. He is and has always been a narcissistic fraud. I wish I could leave this country.
See everyone one at the protest on the 18th.
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Not sure what's worse. The article or the AI generated nightmare fuel picture.
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I believe this actually happened...
Supporters lay their hands on President Donald Trump as they pray for him at the conclusion of a news conference in February 2020 (Getty Images)
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As an atheist, I'm starting to believe this is the work of God too. A deeply vengeful God.
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Trump as a form of karmic punishment for the Cold War and its aftermath isn't an unreasonable reading of historical events.
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...are we the baddies?
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A third of Americans are delusional
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Ewwwww
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Funny how god wants exactly what they want - eh?
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A third of Americans are mentally disabled
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Hey man you shouldn't insult disabled people like that.
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I don't really know if that means much? Putting aside how people actually feel at the idea of "God's plan", it broadly boils down to: "Did it happen? Then it was part of God's plan."
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In case you're talking to a Christian, most believe that everything is a part of God's plan, even the things they don't like.
It's honestly more interesting that this doesn't match up with the "do you identify as a Christian" stats. It would imply that there are a significant percentage of Christians who think that Trump is outside of God's plan. Maybe God didn't have Trump in his bingo card?
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The Omnissiah's blessing is DEFINITELY not with that orange sack of fleshy weakness.
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Some of those believe in a vengeful god and that the plan is wipe out humanity. I would not argue with them on the outcome, just the means of getting there.
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This really doesn’t speak to quality or satisfaction. If they accidentally drowned their own child, they’d call it god’s plan.
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"God's plan"?
This God guy fucking sucks at planning
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If you ask a Christian "Do you think God personally..." and they answer "No." then how are they a Christian? It's weird how around 66% of people say they are Christian but they don't all believe the part where God is revealed by history unfolding. All things are part of God's plan... but not that!
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The true satanists.
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They have god mixed up with satan
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Actually I was thinking of the Lucky Charms leprochan.
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The r34 version of an Irish myth, I presume?
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Not really. Lucifer, in the Bible, never really does anything evil.
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Well god coming straight down from heaven and fucking your fish could also be apart of his plan, since to Christian’s nothing matters but gestures vaguely gods will, no matter the consequences of complicity.
Everything is just “oh well, whatever happens happens because god said so”
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religion, in the way of progress since the invention of agriculture
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Poll conducted by the PRRI cited in this article is legit. The CEO of PRRI Robert P. Jones writes in a related article, "With its roots in Western Europe, Roman Catholicism has a long history of colonialism, particularly in Africa and the global South, where centuries of atrocities against Black and brown peoples were justified by the conviction that white Christians were God’s chosen means of “civilizing” the world."
Although I didn't closely scrutinize the article OP linked, I would guess that it has equal journalistic integrity.
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We have already established by means of the last election that have the voter base it to stupid for their own good. This just cements the fact.
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that’s cause they want end times to happen in their lifetimes.. sheep
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I guess God's plan yet again is to put pedos in charge.
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If I believed in an all powerful being who knows everything everywhere all at once I don't believe anything could possibly not be in God's plan ... So you know like what the fuck? I know what you're thinking didn't I miss omni-benevolent? And I'm like really? It's a logical fallacy and you think with all the evidence around us that is the real one?
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It will be a great day once the Evangelical Boomers die off.
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Won't change shit. Young Internet incel males have turned to the right for a sense of identity. You've got another 60+ years waiting on for them to die off
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This is literal propaganda.
More genz men lean left than older generations, every progressive generation becomes more progressive.
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I refuse to believe a third of a country can be this stupid. I can't even believe that a third of a country can believe in god.
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1/3 of the country is conservative if you think about it. Look at polls and it's usually 30-40% republican/conservative. 10-20% being "independent" and that's being generous 50-60% Democrats/liberals.
Those that vote not the ones that don't.
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Republiklan God’s plan: “And Amen I say to you, if you send me one tariff, I will send you two tariffs back. And I will punish the wicked - and by wicked I mean those Radical Left Lunatics that are eating the dogs and the cats.”
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Of course Trump is part of Azathoth's plan.
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Baphomet says hey.
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TIL: 1/3 of the Americans are genuine morons. The more stupid the citizens, the greater the state. So, it's MAGA all the way!
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What an amazing song, thanks!
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If this is Yahweh's planning, then they are in dire need of a pink slip. We should try hiring on Cthulu or Ahura Mazda instead.
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All hail Avis!
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What if it's a punishment from God for doing evil crap like supporting genocide?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5gr1p_Pp0U
Religion and politics.
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I don't care what the bible says
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And the name of that dark god is Grandfather Nurgle
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Hopefully, they start buying land and building a compound in French Guyana.
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Which god ? Because some seem more likely ...
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I find it a bit heartening that the number is that low.
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"Gott mit uns"
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Something something false idol
I hold no warmth for organised religion and believe it to be an accelerating net negative to society for at least the past 5 or 6 centuries, probably further.
With that said, these people aren't Christians, they haven't even successfully learned the most basic lessons of their book. They're just a hateful cult appropriating some culture that's got nothing to do with them.
If there are any actual Christians left out there that actually read the fucking bible, they should be (according to the book itself, as far as I can tell) vehemently denouncing this behaviour as loudly as they can ad nauseum. Reminding all their Christian friends this behaviour is the ticket to eternal damnation, etc.
Why isn't this happening?
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Some do, it’s just that their religion is complicit (Matthew 5:39-40). They would rather our planet become Mars and see the evil they let occur, because they have a faustian myth of a promise of an afterlife.
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Fuck that asshole god
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Look at that, right on track with the Hopeless Dipshit Constant(TM) of 33%.
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god's plan for the apocalypse maybe lol
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Maybe they're right. Steve Carell once took action to protect the future from God's plan. Maybe we do too.
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gods plan, he ultimately smites everyone in the end, or sends down his ANGELS to smite everyone.
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One third of Americans apparently qualify as fertilizer and not much else.
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I get where people are coming from with a kneejerk, "religion is bad!" reaction, but honestly that's not very helpful. The world is always going to have a pluralism of beliefs, and many of those beliefs are going to be of a religious nature. You're never going to get rid of religion, so may as well be realistic about what can change.
Being that virtually all of the most harmful things being done in the name of religion, in the United States, can be traced to a subset of Christian factions, it's more helpful overall to identify and promote the forms of Christianity that are progressive instead. A groups true worst enemy is their nearest neighbor.
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You're suggesting we manually pick through the steaming pile of shit for hidden kernels of what, more corn? Your logic is dumb as fuck.
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Oh edgelord I see. I got you covered, here's the one you can push.
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The Pew research article finds the opposite of this article tho:
They wouldn't know "gods plan" if it smacked them in the ass. They're literally worshipping the closest analogue to the Antichrist. These people are violently clueless.
"God's plan" is literally whatever is happening right now. Got in a car crash? God's plan. Narrowly missed a car crash? God's plan. Cat wakes you at 6am for breakfast? God's plan. This whole comment? God's plan.
His plan sucks because he made Pedos billionaires. Wait, god might he a pedo. It's his plan afterall. Always watching you like a creep. Dude fits pedo logic 100%. Worshiping pedos, sounds on track for religious nutts.
My thoughts exactly. It's a clickbait headline targeted at anyone who doesn't realize that a third of people believe literally everything is "god's plan."
I'm reminded of the praying hands emoji people always post in response to an announcement of a vehicle crash on Facebook. If that shit worked, why don't they pray for God to keep the crash from happening at all?
God sucks at making plans for something that is omnipotent.
I get it... I believe in God as being chaos and to trust "God" is having faith in the present.
But it's clear they aren't actually about that, otherwise 2020 would have rolled along smoothly and they would have had the same "gods plan" mindset during the 2020 social protests.
This is social and psychological manipulation on a large scale. 5th generation warfare. This is war.
Most humans are pawns used by devils and proud that we created this lifestyle of ignorance and arrogance. Regardless of politics and parties.
Stop buying things that aren't keeping you alive. Most people are funding and paying for this fucked up world to become less human and pretend they don't have blood on their hands.
people are proud to be half human and made by mass media. They don't want to know real reality because it's difficult.
This. Trump literally fits the description of an "antichrist" (lowercase; one of a type) and many of the traits of the definite article (the specific Antichrist) described in the Bible.
But then they're not expecting to be the ones deceived by an antichrist.
Obligatory Ben Corey
Yeah you're right, there is an actual "god's plan," but this isn't it.
Give me a fucking break. Grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.