4chan fined $26K for refusing to assess risks under UK Online Safety Act

What? No it doesn’t, not as long as the people responsible don’t step foot in the UK.

If they do - yes they’ll be arrested for having broken UK law.

That's ... how it works.

Not you again... genuinely convinced this user is a bot. He made this same argument a month ago on a now deleted post almost verbatim. I disputed his claims with evidence and they continuously moved the goalpost through the entire argument. either braindead or just software please ignore.

Why should that be their problem?

Imagine for a moment that 4chan is a business that sells alcoholic beverages in the US. Now imagine the UK has instituted prohibition and banned the consumption of alcohol.

now, some enterprising individuals have taken it upon themselves to buy, smuggle, and then sell those beverages inside the UK.

Clearly, the government has intended to ban the consumption of alcohol, not the sale of it.

Now the UK government is trying to shackle hefty fines against an American company for having the "audacity" of selling a product to an individual within the confines of the US.

again, the UK banned the consumption of alcohol, not the sale of. 4Chan isn't forcing UK citizens to drink the alcohol. They are simply selling the product, within their country of origin, to individuals who want to purchase it.

now, do you still think the UK government has a right to fine 4chan or do you think maybe the UK government should elaborate on their prohibition regulations to ensure their citizens are properly "protected"?

I think it's well established by now that this bunch of Labour politicians too are "arrogant and of the opinion that if they don’t like something, it’s realities responsibility to reconfigure itself".

That would amongst other things neatly explain why they went around and implemented the stupid law.

were Conservatives and therefore arrogant and of the opinion that if they don’t like something, it’s realities responsibility to reconfigure itself.

Which is exactly what they have done with tariffs in the US.

The boomers are not on their way out. We have the exact same politicians in power that we had 30 fucking years ago.

With wire fraud and csam, the activity is illegal in the host country as well as the target country, which is not the case here.

If 4chan make revenue by advertising UK goods and services to UK users, then they are very much operating in the UK.

By your logic, any website with advertising is operating in EVERY country worldwide.

Fuck yes, fine the phone companies who allow these spoofed phone number scammers to reach me. (/s... Mostly)

GDPR can only be enforced if the business wants to continue to do business in Europe. There are lots of non-European businesses that do not enforce GDPR rules but they can't sell products or services in Europe.

But of course 4chan doesn't sell any products or services anywhere, it's not a business, so it's a bit hard to see exactly how this could be enforced.

Gross Domestic... Projekt Red?

Unironically yes. Otherwise the internet as we know it is very much over, and what we have instead is a mesh of country-nets.

I mean, what is actually "doing business" when it comes a simple web page or a forum for example? Merely existing and being reachable.

My server is in the corned of my bedroom. How the hell can I be operating in China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Brazil, Norway, or The UK if my bedroom is in none of those countries?

Yes. You can impose as much laws as you can enforce them. Don't want your citizens to buy anything from me, stop shipments at your border. Want to stop payments, talk to your banks. Want to stop access to my servers, block them at your routers.

Why the fuck should I enforce your rules for you? You made them, you figure out how you will make them work.

you being the UK government, in this case.

Why would a local Lemmy instance ever pay a fine to China?

You probably don't want Iran to have jurisdiction over your dot-com.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Iran

Capital punishment is a legal penalty in Iran.[2] The list of crimes punishable by death includes murder; rape; child molestation; homosexuality; drug trafficking; armed robbery; kidnapping; terrorism; burglary; incest; fornication; adultery; sodomy; sexual misconduct; prostitution;[3][4] plotting to overthrow the Islamic government; political dissidence; sabotage; arson; rebellion; apostasy; blasphemy; extortion; counterfeiting; smuggling; recidivist consumption of alcohol; producing or preparing food, drink, cosmetics, or sanitary items that lead to death when consumed or used; producing and publishing pornography; using pornographic materials to solicit sex; capital perjury; recidivist theft; certain military offences (e. g., cowardice, assisting the enemy); "waging war against God"; "spreading corruption on Earth"; espionage; and treason.[5][6] Iran carried out at least 977 executions in 2015, at least 567 executions in 2016,[7] and at least 507 executions in 2017.[8] In 2018 there were at least 249 executions, at least 273 in 2019, at least 246 in 2020, at least 290 in 2021, at least 553 in 2022, at least 834 in 2023,[9] and at least 901 executions in 2024.[10] In 2023, Iran was responsible for 74% of all recorded executions in the world, with the UN confirming that at least 40 people were executed in one week in 2024.

Frankly, 4chan users or operators would probably have violated some of those, were they under jurisdiction of Iranian law.

At least a little?

According to this article they pull in 230 million a year. For a shitty forum that looks like it's run on 1995 tech