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While this post is not technically following the rules of this comm, it is absolutely within the spirit of this comm which is meant to speak truth to power. Just saying before anyone bring this up.

J.L. is a massive PTB. In fact he's such a PTB he could have easily been the icon for this comm :D

@ruud@lemmy.world this guy is the current face of your instance. Is this how you want to present yourselves?

we have started looking into reports about jordan a few days ago, and we have already identified several occasions where he has been acting in ways that we don't consider to be acceptable for a member of our community team. it may still take us a few more days to come to final conclusions for how we will proceed with this, as this is something that needs time for a proper review and discussions within the team. we all have lives outside of lemmy, where we need and want to spend our time, and something like this takes hours to properly review.

one of the things we have already discussed will be establishing an internal CoC for community team members and people higher up in the team, which includes ensuring that we keep a certain level of professionalism in our interactions, even if another party doesn't. we're obviously all humans, but that doesn't mean we don't have responsibility for our actions, especially if it's not a one-off thing. we will also consider if this may be something to establish for community moderators in general, but for now our primary focus is on people in positions above a regular user or moderator.

I’m still incredulous about how much time he spent during that stupid MBFC bot saga insisting that The Guardian was actually a rag that can’t be trusted. Like, I have my issues with The Guardian (so many issues), but pretending they aren’t a paper on par with something like the NYT is either bullheadedness or America-centric ignorance.

Dude tried to snidely tell someone else that a different paper (I don’t remember which one) needed significant evidence to criticize it as untrustworthy, because it was a Newspaper of Record, and linked to the Simple Wikipedia page for that concept (really, dude?)… which listed The Guardian as an example.

That cracked me up, honestly. I don’t want to get into the nasty ways I’ve seen him react to being told a comment is bigoted if he doesn’t think it is. Bro can’t cope with being told other people don’t agree with him and aren’t going to change their minds, so it seems like his go to response is to insult and bait them into doing it back so he can delete their comments/ban them.

Wow yeah, I've seen a lot of Jordan's posts on here and I'm sure if I looked I've had an argument with him at some point, but I had no idea about the article or the admin bot. If your response to BLM boils down to "what about black on black crime" I don't think you should have mod or admin power here.

Thanks Stamets. I greatly appreciate the deep dive. There have been many posts about him here, but as you called out they were mostly from people still actively incensed from recent interaction with him, or they were written in a way that seemed to expect significant familiarity with him or his previous actions. It made it easy to dismiss them out of hand. This lays it out in a way that is accessible to people not already informed about him.

Hopefully this results in some change. This is concerning behavior and statements for any mod, and especially so for a mod of such popular/flagship/public-facing communities.

Damn, that's a long post. I'll have a deeper look later, but thank you already for writing it.

Thank you for bringing up the transphobia. For the vast majority of trans people, it causes us a lot of mental harm to read through that awfulness. That's a big part of why Blahaj is so strict about it with moderation, it's a shield to protect its users, who mostly would rather miss out on some good interactions than deal with any transphobic psychic damage.

Part of all this is that we rely on allies to let us know when someone has been transphobic. It keeps us safe from that psychic damage, and is an important way to show us that you care about our existence. So accusing someone of it, either negligently or deliberately, directly to a trans person, is a huge violation of that trust. Using that accusation as a bludgeon against someone you don't like is pawbably the worst thing you could do to a trans person, outside of being directly transphobic yourself. And you're right, it makes you transphobic when you do it.

Given the answers, it doesn't seem like JL is actually reading any replies to his comments ever. Either that or he's incapable of digesting any new ideas.

Oh hai thar.

Dunno why this didn't pop up in my mentions, but hey, what can ya do.

In regards to my interaction with jordanlund, I actually did contact the head admin of .world, Ruud, as promised. I received an affirmative response, stating "...someone moderating on .world should represent the rules and values of the instance," and that "this doesn't sound like he does," though this far there doesn't seem to have been anything visibly done. Of course, I can't comment on things happening behind the scenes.

And I may have missed this in the main content of your post, but it's also worth noting that, in the midst of his accusations of transphobia, PrincessNorah found evidence of transphobic behavior in Jordan's modlog.

Edit: yes I missed it lol

im personally very close friends with jordan and i can assure everyone this is unfounded slander

i didnt read this but i assume its about that he voted for hillary but he has in fact since apologized to the community

God, even his user profile is cringe inducing, with the custom "lemmy.world community moderator" images. He's made this his entire identity. His profile banner literally says "chaotic good, the right thing, the wrong way". Him being correct is his priority above all else.

Someone with that profile should not be a moderator for anything.

And then you add all of his behavior to the mix.. why is he still a mod on any community?

I've had him tagged "dork of a mod" since that whole "journalists can't publish their own writing or they're not credible" thread that you referenced near the end.

I'm one of the people who refuses to engage with any .world communities because my comments kept mysteriously disappearing (without any trace in the modlog) for the crime of holding Leninist views. I historically blamed PugJesus for this but this admin bot thing with JordanLund makes so much more sense (PJ is a bad faith moderator but historically their shit has shown up in the modlog)

JL banned me from worldnews for reporting a Gaza Genocide denier; his justification was that, because he makes an exception to the rule against genocide denial for Gaza genocide deniers, me reporting them was uncivil and against the rules. They also banned my from politics for "misinformation" because I said Kamala Harris supported Israel.

I like the way he just. Never replies to people after he's said something. It's like he really thinks every rebuttal of his is a mic drop that doesn't need further defending.

Hey mom look I'm famous.

I may have missed it, but you didn't mention the time he removed links to a very reputable news org because they were hosted on substack: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40774736

Thank you for this comprehensive write up. I've seen the name thrown around and run into them in the wild a few times, but never knew about any of this. This is revolting.

Oh man Jordan is back after 3 days. Get ready for more deflecting of blame and refusing to act better about any of this.

Edit: with more transphobia!

re the Jordan transphobia ban, I had made a post about this a while ago when it happened, which was how I found out about the discord bot. absolutely incredible that anyone would use discord as the organizing medium for something like this. Just baffling to me that moderation was being delegated via discord, often with no record of what the removals even are. it seems to have just enabled petty and retaliatory behavior flying under the radar.

Firstly, I read all of your posts in Anthony Rapp/Paul Stamet's voice with his superiority tone.

Secondly my only real interactions with Jordan have been in small communities like comicbooks, or the stuff that is posted here. I appreciate your deep dive though.

Thanks for this investigation. You're a good man, and thorough

I am sort of of two minds about this. I really dislike this type of expansive witch hunt against some particular big name mod which is a frequent Lemmy occurrence (which for some reason always includes the accusation that they're a "Zionist" whether or not it is true). I've stuck up for JordanLund in the past. However, I will say that I think his judgement as a mod and style of interpersonal interaction on Lemmy is really bad. This list includes a bunch of pretty fair examples, you can actually see a brief conversation between me and him in one of them which goes about the way that a lot of conversations with him go. Thanks to Stamets for doing all the homework to dig up detailed examples and discuss them, it's clear you put a ton of sincere factual effort into putting this together.

I think a vital question is what the moderation on the big lemmy.world communities should look like. My impression is that there is some significant fuckery afoot (a distinct tendency to deliberately run cover for troll/propaganda accounts for example), and I don't really think Jordan is behind it, although there is a habit of shoving him to the front to take the blame for it when it happens. I feel like there's going to be kind of a shortage of people willing to go through the daily struggle and effort of being a mod of a super-busy community, which not only makes it hard for the mods to take time and patience to make great decisions 100% of the time, but also opens the door for people who are motivated to abuse the position and makes it harder to justify getting rid of them once they're in place.

whoa, one of those was mine. Just pretty new here, didn't know about all this history. To be fair, we had a perfectly courteous exchange. That being said, if there are significant years of complaints, we all know that means it needs to be corrected.

https://lemmy.world/post/35643362/19281817

This thread is going to be fun to watch!

As someone who’s been the target of witch hunts myself, I don’t think anyone should be “banned from all of Lemmy.”

I also wanna say that it kinda feels a bit icky that someone would put this much effort into “researching” a person they don’t like on Lemmy, even if it’s @JordanLund@lemmy.world EDIT: After reading the thread and seeing more examples of his behavior, I don't feel that icky about it anymore.

I think everyone needs to take Lemmy way less seriously. You all act like posts here are world-changing shit. You all need to go outside more.

Anyways, fuck .world. I vote this is PTB!! haha

I'll keep beating this drum until the situation changes: the best solution is to block .world and move on. I've done so, and I have zero shortage of interesting content to look at or places to discuss $topic. And anyway, it's not healthy for one instance to have too many users or too many communities. The point of federation is to spread out, so the network is resilient to problems.

Good investigative journagossip @Stamets@lemmy.world !

@jordanlund@lemmy.world is definitely a big reason I don't feel comfortable on lemmy.

Just speaking personally here.

First, I don't have time to review all of this right now. It might take me a full day or more. Not that I'm a huge authority in the scope of LW, but I do want to say a bit early.

I've had some issues with the way Jordan has handled things, absolutely. I've talked to him privately about those, and I'm still not particularly happy about those.

But setting that aside for now, some of this post goes too far. Not liking protests that block traffic in Portland doesn't make you racist. That article you linked doesn't make him racist.

If that one claim in this wall of text is wrong, it certainly shades the rest of it. Some is wrong and some is right. Parsing that out is going to take some effort and time. I'd encourage people to not take too much of this at face value. It's going to take a lot of consideration, and a more thoughtful response is going to take some time.

Now, let us focus on something in that Discord server.

There have been comments floating about with screenshots saying that Jordan has access to a bot that has admin abilities. I can confirm this. I do not know whether he still has access to it but he did for at least a year. How do I know this? Because I did as well. 

Yup, still have access to it. For the longest time it really didn't work that's unfair. It worked poorly. Lots of times it would do nothing, some times it would work. Other times it would just error out.

I just found out the other day when we were dealing with the Dwazou ban evading accounts that it was working again and it was really somewhat helpful shutting that down. The ban worked, the remove content? Not so much.

I used it again a few days ago when someone was posting, I shit you not, neon sign spam. LOL. Does Lemmy have a significant audience for "neon signs for your man cave"? Somebody thought so.

But really I only use it when a) it's super obvious like you and I had with our stalkers, or b) (like the Dwazou and neon crap) there's entirely too much of it to remove manually.

The reason I prefer manual removal is the same reason I don't like the "Remove Content" checkbox when banning a user, it doesn't seem to correctly populate the modlog. If I'm removing someone for cause, I want that documented. It helps everyone going forward to see "Ok, yeah, this guy was making Nazi comments".

But if we're talking about 40 posts hawking neon signs? Yeah, nobody needs to see that. Modlog or not. I don't know if that's a bug with "remove content" or intentional design.

Here's another example of an entire thread showing he isn't fit. If you want more just look at his profile or search his name on basically any community.

This entire thread

That thread? Really? You have no idea what that was all about.

@Bonus@piefed.social made a post that broke the rules of the community. I quite politely explained that it was removable, why, and told them how to fix it. @Zaktor@sopuli.xyz then interjected themselves when the issue was all but resolved, decided to be an asshole, said it was an example of bad moderation, etc. etc. The usual attack, attack, attack. And it wasn't even their post!

OP fixed their post and actually apologized to me for having to put up with Zaktors bullshit and there was no harm done. Surprise! Zaktor turns up in YPTB and I was pointed here by the very same user who was moderated and corrected their post.

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(Whew) Ok, that's better, back at it...

Months ago on /c/World, Jordan Lund was talking about the media fact checking bot. He claimed that he would be removed if he removed the bot. That the moderators serve at pleasure of the Admins and they would just replace him. This is directly at odds with an Admin then immediately saying that it wasn’t true.

This also demonstrates that he is not willing to take any criticism or pushback at all on things that he agrees with and would rather push that blame onto someone else to avoid it himself. Now how do I know he was actively for this? Because in the Discord channel when the bot was made and announced, Jordan was literally the first person to respond and say that he was down with this. Something I verified from two different sources and by seeing it with my own eyes.

As you say "moderators serve at the pleasure of the admins" and also the top mod of whatever community they have been added to.

It is not my "job" to second guess the Admins. They run the show, full stop. So when an Admin puts a lot of work and creates a bot, I'm not going to tell them "Hey, don't do that."

Specifically, with the MBFC bot, yeah, I thought, and still think, it's a good idea. Was it perfect? Well, no, but it was the best we could do for free. Or free-ish, TBH I'm not sure if there were fees involved in the API use. I can tell you the alternates I looked at were more money than I personally would pay.

The alternative is manually checking every site, especially those that get reported. In most cases we'd see a report of something like "This is a propaganda site!" and the MBFC bot was right there marking it "Questionable". Easy peasy, get that crap out of here.

The real problem was with small, new, or niche sites. I remember once a report in World that a particular site just "didn't look right". And, yeah, it looked SUPER janky. Like Geocities 1998 janky. But the reporting at first pass LOOKED solid (this was before all the AI nonsense going on now).

The bot knew nothing about it. Nobody did, it was kind of a cipher. I initially allowed it based on 2 things, the reporting appeared accurate, and it was for part of the world that was under-represented news wise, Africa.

Then we found out the reason the news looked legit was it was just a copy/paste from other legitimate news orgs without attribution. Yeah, removed.

But when the complaints on the bot came in, I told people honestly "Hey, I'm open, what's an alternative?"

At best the response was silence, at worst it was angry noises. So we put it up to a vote and got the bot gone.

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Right, OK, one 12 hour day later, let's do this.

Here's my plan, I don't want to write a novel, and that would make commenting tough because all y'all would be tripping all over yourselves as a single thread bounces from topic to topic.

So I'm taking Stamets post one piece at a time and making top level comments for each piece.

If I seem to go radio silent, it's because I'm reading, writing, formatting, etc. I likely won't reply individually until I'm done going through the whole thing. Stamets put a lot of work into this and it deserves a decent reply. If I stop to reply as comments come in, I'll never finish the thing.

NGL, I might sneak in a dinner break too.

This is a news article about him. The whole thing is essentially about how he as a white man is surprised to find out there are negative feelings about Portland. Negative feelings about Portland and Oregon being extremely white and racist.

News article is probably too strong a term. The local NPR affiliate asked for people who had stories about race.

So I told this true story:

This is, oh, 30 years ago or so now. I had a job that involved commuting back and forth between Portland and Chicago (eh, not really Chicago, but if I said "Schaumberg" and "Hoffman Estates", you wouldn't know what I was talking about).

So I was in a cab and the cabbie was chatting away. It comes up that I'm from Portland.

"Portland, huh, you don't have much trouble with black people there, do you?"

Literally the first thing out of his mouth. And I'm more than a little surprised. Is this the first thing people think when they hear "Portland"? Pre-Portlandia, so I guess we have that going for us now. Even odds it's "put a bird on it" now.

So I laughed it off... "No, you know, I know both of them and they're good people."

So I called NPR and told that story on their recorder and they came out and interviewed me. I know, I was surprised too!

“I think Portland had a variety of problems. Race is definitely one of them, yes. But I don’t know that we could classify it as the most important problem. if you look at the homeless situation, there’s definitely an income inequality problem, a mental health problem. there are a whole lot of more pressing problems besides race.”

The thing you have to understand is that the Chicago cabby wasn't 100% wrong. Portland is LILLY-fucking white. It's more diverse now than it was 30 years ago, but when I say "more diverse" I mean 67% white, back then it was probably 75%? More? I don't have those stats handy.

When you have a population that is 67% a monoculture (not entirely accurate, there's a significant 1st generation Eastern European community) race is NOT the issue here that it is elsewhere.

There are SUPER ugly reasons for it too. I won't trouble you with the history lesson, you can Google it if you want. Specifically how as a state Oregon was founded on the idea that black people couldn't own land or the whole history of Vanport.

And despite his politics, he struggles to find sympathy or kinship with the Black Lives Matter marchers who occasionally disrupt his commute home to protest police violence. “I do pay attention to them. I think primarily as somebody who works in downtown we tend to be aware of things like that more because of the disruption it causes. I don’t think the disruption they do is particularly productive. It takes people who would ordinarily be on their side and go, why are they doing this to us? The Portland Police didn’t shoot anybody recently that I’m aware of. If they want to be productive in their protests, they should go to where these events are happening.”

This man was just met with the fact that his place is known for being racist and xenophobic and his first instinctual response was “Go protest elsewhere.”

Yup. Because Portland protestors are, by and large, morons "the common clay of the new West."

Protesting here is interesting, people will protest for any and all reasons or no reason at all. But when the city turned upside down for George Floyd, a horrible event that had fuck all to do with Portland, all they did was a whole lot of nothing.

The problem was this, during the day you had the BLM protests, largely a bunch of white people virtue signalling, "look at me! I'm doing something!" But when the sun went down, black block took over the protest. Largely a bunch of angry white anarchist kids, mostly not even from here, who only wanted to break shit and set fires. Look up the vandalism directed at the Oregon Historical Society as an example.

But all in all, the protests from both BLM and Black Block, did nothing. Portland became a punchline on Fox News and for Trump. He opened an illegal operation here where people were literally being black bagged off the streets by federal agents.

They COULD have done something effective, like protest where the crimes committed by shitty cops were actually happening. They did not. And continue being ineffective.

You know all those 50501 protests? Portland LOVES that shit. Do you honestly think Trump is going to go "Well, if PORTLAND is protesting..." LOL. Back under George H.W. Bush (not W., his DAD) he called Portland "Little Beirut" because of the constant protests.

dismissing a right to protest so you can get somewhere faster. Moreover, a protest to make people aware of a problem with racism.

We KNOW. That's why I have a problem with protests in Portland. They are preaching to the choir here.

What I want to see are EFFECTIVE protests, and that's not what Portland does. It's hard as West Coasters because, from a national media perspective, if it didn't happen on the East coast it might as well have never happened.

You want to do another million man march and shut down D.C.? Man, GO FOR IT. I think the last time we approached that (not counting January 6th) was the womens march with all the knit hats? That one was awesome.

A bunch of white liberals in Portland patting themselves on the back for being white liberals? For Instagram views? We don't need that.

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But I did mention earlier that we'd get back to this so let us. Jordan has demonstrated time and time again that he looks for a fight, actively enjoys trolling, and wants to be as antagonistic as humanly possible. There are times he's summoned into YPTB with an @ but other times he isn't. Honestly I don't want to go through each and everyone of these showing that this is shitty, troll-like and antagonistic behavior.

Do not mistake refusing to back down from a fight with seeking out a fight. It doesn't take an @ to bring me here. More often than not someone sends me a PM along the lines of "You seeing this shit?" and honestly, I don't unless someone links me to it as was the case with this post.

TPTB has this idea that mods in general (and me specifically) are no lifers just looking for excuses to fuck with people. I can't speak for other mods, but that's not the case for me.

I clear the mod queue, and in my idle browsing of the groups I moderate, I remove content I come across organically. I might see a post clearly showing "youtube.com" or some other obviously bad domain and go "Well, fuck, that has to go."

Hilariously, just the other day an established user, @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world posted a video to Politics and I had to reply in the effect of "Dude, you know better than that!"

There was no drama there, they got their links and communities mixed up, eh, it happens.

But I'm not stalking communities or users looking for people saying shit about me, or trying to find ways to fuck with people. You might not believe it, but I do have better things to do.

Moderating is a lot like pruning in that respect. In another week or so it's time to go out and brutally hack down my roses so they can grow back in the spring, my wife hates seeing the de-nuded rose stumps and yells at me EVERY YEAR, but it's necessary.

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Whew! Home stretch, and we're back to the very first thing I talked about here:

Next up? Zionism. He has repeatedly removed posts that are critical of Israel or pro-Palestinian and that's fairly well documented.

The Pro-Palestinian contingent on World is VERY active and VERY angry with good reason. Unfortunately they often make rule breaking posts that have to be removed.

They aren't removed for being Pro-Palestinian, they're removed for a variety of reasons, Youtube video links, image posts, Twitter, and blog posts.

But these two posts stand out to me as particularly obscene. One such example is his patented refusal to ever address proof to the contrary. He listed a source as being antisemitic while using the justification of a Zionist source.

That post wasn't removed for Zionism, that post was removed for being a Substack Blog. We don't allow blogsites. Full stop. The response was the typical whining "But, but, Dropsite is legitimate news!" and my response as always is "Don't care, no blog sites."

Why? Blog sites have no accountability. Anyone, literally anyone, can set up a blog site. Just like anyone can post on Twitter, or Facebook, or upload to YouTube.

Yeah, we don't allow any of those sites EITHER. CNN might have a very good Twitter post, that's going to get removed too. ABC on Facebook? Hell no.

As a mod, I'm not going to engage in a debate over "But, but, you allowed THAT Facebook/Twitter/Substack post, why not miiiiiiiiine?" (and Jesus, THAT conversation happens way too often as it is when we miss a post that should have been removed but either got missed or was never reported.)

When given a litany of Israel critical cartoons but none that are actively antisemitic, he refused to engage. Honestly the entire post also demonstrates a shocking amount of logic that isn't outright Zionist but dancing around the edges and leaving the outline of one.

Honestly not sure what you're saying here? I refused to remove cartoons critical of Israel and... that... somehow means I'm Zionist? Or Zionist adjacent? 🤔

Wouldn't removing them make me a Zionist? I dunno, I've been up for 17 hours now maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here.

Anyway... That's pretty much it for me tonight. Whew! That was a LOT! I'm going to need to bookmark these the next time this stuff comes up. "Here, read this."

The job of a moderator is to apply the rules in an unbiased fashion. To read the rules, interpret them if needed and then carry them out. Personal influence is not supposed to be a part of it. You're supposed to treat it like a position of authority and respect, to respect the position and not abuse it.

Agreed, and I would add one more thing that is my own personal take. Moderation should be done publicly. One of the things that chapped my ass about Reddit was the silent moderation. Locked threads, shadow bans, etc. etc. etc.

I knew going in that putting a public face on moderation was going to make me a target. I'm OK with that, and I'd rather be a target than have people come into a thread full of:

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Don't get me wrong, the modlog is GREAT. But someone encountering a deleted thread or a locked post or what have you shouldn't HAVE to go to the modlog to get that information.

Jordan has not had this realization despite numerous people pointing this out to him. Instead he will say stuff like... (cites removed they won't quote well here)

I always consider the audience, and, unfortunately, when it comes to YPTB my default position is "dismissed with a subtle jerking off motion."

Am I overly flippant here? Absolutely. Most complaints about me here come from users with incredibly vile content in their modlogs and I give them all the respect they are due which is to say "none whatsoever".

Someone is saying mean things about me and their modlog reveals calls for violence, "kill yourself", racism, homophobia, etc. etc. etc.? No, I'm not spending time debating them or defending myself against them, they can fuck right off.

That being said, when people ask me directly either in public or in PMs "Hey, why did you do what you did?" I give them honest answers. They may not LIKE those answers, but they get them.

Now, let's temporarily ignore the fact that he went into YPTP to actively antagonize and harass multiple users

I don't seek out YPTP, I got namechecked, small difference. Same with this post, someone pointed me to it so here I am. For the most part, I don't pay attention to what happens here.

He's saying that if you don't antagonize him then he won't antagonize you. That it is "fair fucking game" to increase harassment of a user if one harasses him. This is a repugnant and troll-like mindset at the best of times but in the hands of a moderator it is genuinely dangerous.

I refuse to stand by and be bullied. Just because I'm a mod does not give anyone free reign to attack me, and certainly not to attack me for doing an unpaid gig that's cleaning crap out of communities.

The best negative comment I see frequently is "you're a fucking janitor!" and I'm like "Yeah, that's fair." But you honest to god don't want to see what happens if the janitors aren't doing the job.

I'm not going to respond to vile and hateful comments with "Oh, please sir, you aren't being very nice. Please don't try to hurt my feelings." You deal with bullies directly and with force, it's the only thing they understand.

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Next we shall focus on him gaslighting and lying to or about everyone. Including the Admins of LW.

A few days ago, Jordan accused someone of being transphobic, homophobic, violent and racist on YePowerTrippingBastards. Both the person themselves as well as another user looked into those accusations. There were no demonstrations of that behavior.

As I stated in that thread, modlog says otherwise.

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=11119076

Specifically:

The response I got was "Hey, that's not necessarily homophobia/transphobia" and my internal reaction was "Are you shitting me?" my external reply stands. "Tell that to someone being misgendered."

I want to add here, this is EXACTLY the kind of user that makes YPTB impossible to take seriously and why I tend to be less than kind to YPTB users. Is it fair to paint everyone with a broad brush? No. But when you see over and over again:

"kill yourself", harrassment, personal attack, harrassment, harrassment, harrassment...

But it's all there in the log, you can read it yourself. These are the people hanging out here and the people other perfectly innocent people are choosing to hang out with.

Super hungry, grabbing food and I'll be back for more...

But let us take a look at some of the actions he has taken, shall we?

A few months ago a Canadian used a Canadian term in referencing Canadian politics and a Canadian Government. Jordan Lund, an American, misunderstood what was being said. Instead of asking for clarification, the post was instantly removed with the logic of "Misinformation".

Jesus, this thing AGAIN. What this involved was someone being overly pedantic about the definition of "Member of Government" was.

They, innacurately, were claiming that an elected official, who is a member of the Canadian Parliament, didn't count as a "Member of Government".

I attempted to talk them down, explained that, as a matter of fact that person IS an elected official, is able to cast votes, and that does, in fact make them a "Member of Government".

They doubled down, with the idea that even though they are elected and can vote, they don't count as a member of government because they aren't part of the ruling party.

Which is utter and complete nonsense. They are getting a government paycheck, they are a "member of government."

To use an American example, the Democrats are completely and utterly castrated. They can't do anything, they can't present anything, and they don't have the numbers to actually stop anything, but they're still all members of government, with official positions, official staff, official offices, and very official paychecks.

So, yeah, I removed comments claiming an elected official was not a member of government as misinformation.

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This is going to require a more thoughtful response than I can give rignt now as it's coming right at the start of my actual paying work day, but I'll have something to say on it later today.

I will say now the complaints of zionism are absolutely horse shit.

The problem in World is there is a LOT of infringing content that happens to be pro-Palestinian. It's not removed because it's pro-Palestinian, it's removed for being hate speech, calls to violence, etc. etc.

It's the nature of the World audience to be anti-Israel (and rightly so!) so when those comments go off the rails calling for Jewish executions and what not, yeah, I'm going to remove them and I'm not going to feel bad about removing them.

Here's a good example just from today:

https://lemmy.world/post/36003575

If there were a significant number of pro-Israel posts calling for genocide, those would be removed too, but they just don't happen that often. If I were to pull a number out of my ass I'd say 20:1? 30:1? Pro-Palestinian vs. Pro-Israel?

There are actually more actionable items being Pro-Russia in Ukraine or Pro-China with the Uyghur genocide than there are Pro-Israel.