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we have started looking into reports about jordan a few days ago, and we have already identified several occasions where he has been acting in ways that we don't consider to be acceptable for a member of our community team. it may still take us a few more days to come to final conclusions for how we will proceed with this, as this is something that needs time for a proper review and discussions within the team. we all have lives outside of lemmy, where we need and want to spend our time, and something like this takes hours to properly review.
one of the things we have already discussed will be establishing an internal CoC for community team members and people higher up in the team, which includes ensuring that we keep a certain level of professionalism in our interactions, even if another party doesn't. we're obviously all humans, but that doesn't mean we don't have responsibility for our actions, especially if it's not a one-off thing. we will also consider if this may be something to establish for community moderators in general, but for now our primary focus is on people in positions above a regular user or moderator.
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To be frank, why now?
People have been saying the same things about him for years, there is zero chance you have not previously been made aware of issues stemming from his moderation practices.
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As far as I know, nobody ever took the time to document everything like in this post.
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This post was posted now.
They started a few days ago.
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there were several recent reports, including private ones. also, just because you may not see something, it doesn't mean that nothing is happening. we have already discussed topics like the Canadian politics one with him in the past, as we also don't consider it acceptable what he did back then.
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we have already discussed topics like the Canadian politics one with him in the past, as we also don’t consider it acceptable what he did back then.
Maybe I'm missing something, but if removing those comments was not acceptable, why haven't those comments been restored?
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Blaze asking the real questions!! Good on ya, mate! This is great.
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it's not as much about the removal of those comments being the issue in and of itself for us currently, but that this is being done by a person in his position. we haven't really been enforcing any special rules for moderator behavior on LW in the past (hence also currently considering a mod CoC), but having a member of our team incorrectly accusing people of lying and spreading misinformation on their own, even after seeing arguments for why he's in the wrong is very much a step too far. i wasn't directly involved in the discussion back then, so i don't know the entire message history, but it was my understanding that he would at least stop with those claims, if he wasn't able to apologize for it.
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but having a member of our team incorrectly accusing people of lying and spreading misinformation on their own
He banned me for "misinformation" for breaking down how biden couldn't have failed to know that netanyahu was committing genocide and sold him weapons anyway in contravention of the Leahy law.
If "misinformation" means "disagreeing with the pro-genocide mod and bringing receipts" this place IS reddit.
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If “misinformation” means “disagreeing with the pro-genocide mod and bringing receipts” this place IS reddit.
Have you ever considered another instance ? You can easily export and import settings between accounts, making the transition quite smooth.
https://lemmy.zip/ and https://piefed.zip/ are very transparent on how they're doing, they post monthly reports on !home@lemmy.zip
https://feddit.uk/ if you're in the UK (where lemmy.zip is blocked due to the UK Online Safety Act)
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I mean, doesn't federation kinda make where I'm posting from not matter?
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Something to understand about the fediverse is that you are always a "subject" or "citizen" of your home server. They decide ultimately if you get to keep your account and continue accessing the fediverse through them. I would highly recommend choosing a server whose policies you can get behind.
Additionally, if you want to moderate communities, it is highly recommended to have your moderator account be on the same server as the community. Something about reports not federating properly or something
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Instances are usually considered more or less important depending on how many active users they have
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having a member of our team incorrectly accusing people of lying and spreading misinformation on their own, even after seeing arguments for why he’s in the wrong is very much a step too far.
Seems like it's still happening: https://lemmy.world/comment/19453550
Regardless of other actions you might be working on (CoC redaction, moderation rights review), the restoration of those comments would be a proof of good faith from LW staff. It's definitely minor, but it would symbolic.
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I assume you are aware of his reiteration of those claims in his response to this post, correct?
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Could be this post: https://lemmy.world/post/35918814
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Potentially.
It's concerning either way that they've ignored years of public complaints about them. Imagine how much of this could have been avoided if they'd acted responsibly so long ago.
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Indeed, they have associated themselves with a racist, zionist, liar, who uses his power tools to silence dissent.
JordanLund is only getting removed because Stamets did a great job covering it. Like how Reddit only took care of bad admins/communities when publications got wind of how horrid they were.
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The past is over, there's no time machine, what matters is what is done now.
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One bad apple spoils the bunch.
We need to be asking questions such as why, to see if the bunch is still edible.
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It’s a small step, not the only one needed. I don’t understand how the rest of the mod teams he is on can be reformed.
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They said they started a few days ago.
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Thank you for this comment
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So it's been 4 days and he's still acting like the narcissist you've told to stop being weird. Any status updates?
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Holy shit, Jordan is finally gonna have to face consequences for his actions. Fucking finally. This is fucking wild!
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It only took 2 years of constant moderation abuse!
Willing to bet we won't have people he banned for stupid reasons unbanned, as the time to do that will take hours alone.
But a win is a win.
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Narrator: he did not face consequences
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I have noticed he’s still a moderator for both c/news and c/politics on .world. The exact communities people complain about when it comes to his moderation style.
Makes no sense. Both communities have plenty of other moderators who don’t stir up the same drama, so seems like it'd be easy enough to just remove him.
At the very least, he should be suspended from mod duties for six months so he has to experience Lemmy like a normie instead of a power-mod.
I understand what it’s like to have threads targeting me and to be trashed publicly. I’ve been banned outright just because of my username. And I’m not even a power-mod of major communities!
JL has done far worse than I ever did (I advocate third parties and give links to news from all different points of view), yet he’s still allowed to hold high-profile mod roles.
It’s strange how he keeps getting away with it. It's like he's made his entire identity out of being mod for those communities. lol
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He gets away with it because the admins at world have enabled him for years. They see no reason to disable him now unless there are changes happening in the running of world.
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He does what the admins want, they wash his hands of any criticism with a we told him to stop.
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World was created by reactionaries who don’t like communists. It’s advertised as the rational mainstream server. It has a degree of censorship needed to keep its original identity.
People like Lund are necessary because this cannot always be done subtly or politely.
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