Schools in Texas are forcing teachers to put the 10 Commandments up…
Schools in Texas are forcing teachers to put the 10 Commandments up…
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Easy, gather the tenants off all the other faiths and put them up.
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That's actually a great idea. Have the children make them as a school assignment. Judaism is basically the same. That would be a fantastic start to accepting other people.
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In our (religious!) school, our class did this. It started more as a prank, but we were oddly proud of the result ^^
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*tenets
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No, @Tac0caT@lemmy.world clearly meant a person renting from a landlord smh
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That's an even better idea because then they won't be able to understand the dialog.
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Good movie
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All of them
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THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
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One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
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The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
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One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
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The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
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Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
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People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
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Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
~The Satanic Temple
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Or put it behind a shelf... they never said it had to be visible only posted
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Do both. Post other faiths and put only the 10 commandments mostly behind a shelf.
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the tenants off all the other faiths
That's a LOT of people, none of which the founding fathers wanted to be allowed to vote.
I mean because they're not land owners but sure, the other reason too!
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Yup cover the walls. Be inclusive rather than Christian inclusive, put up satanism, atheism, agnosticism ideals, make sure to include indigenous peoples. People will get posed and say it needs to come down but can’t justify taking one down without taking others. And sure let’s do religion month and talk about each of the tenets.
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There is more than one list of 10 commandments in the Bible. Post them side by side and hilight the differences.
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Go through them as a class.
Explain what adultery and coveting mean.
Get angry letters from parents.
Reply “you voted for this so now I have to teach it.”
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"Adultery is when you have sex with someone you are not married to." *(Bible's definition)
8yr old: "What is sex?"
Teacher: "Ask your parents."
Other 8 year old: "Is that what dad does with the babysitter?"
Teacher: "Ask your mom."
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Requiring you to post the 10 Commandments doesn't prevent you from posting, say, the five pillars of Islam. :)
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Hang them up. You're obliged to anyway. Then post pictures of lawmakers next to them who broke those commandments and write how and why they did. Make it a game for the children to find more.
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I'm not sure the wall has enough space.
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It can be a multi classroom project
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I think you meant school.
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Post it facing the wall so it's just the back of the poster.
Post it upside down.
Post it in direct sunlight so it fades very quickly.
Post it behind something big on a counter that just happens to always obstruct it.
If it's a science classroom, somewhere where potentially caustic chemicals might frequently, accidently damage it.
Post it on the floor as a door mat so it gets walked on.
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Believe it or not there are rules about how it is allowed to be posted.
(1) include only the text of the Ten Commandments as provided by Subsection (c) in a size and typeface that is legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom in which the poster or framed copy is displayed; and (2) be at least 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall.
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Hang it with the printed side against the wall.
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Post the ten commandments written in Arabic and watch the racists lose their shit
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Or microdot size
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I put posters Im required to have in my classroom but dont want behind the door. The door is always open so the poster is always hidden from sight. Students dont even know its there.
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Find one with the full text of the commandments. They're a lot more interesting. My favorite is number 10.
You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.
Those handy little posters only mention coveting wives and goods, but it's important that they know God says slavery is totally fine, just don't covet your neighbor's slaves.
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There are two (or three) versions of the 10 Commandments in the Bible itself, before we even consider translation issues:
https://news.utexas.edu/2019/02/04/ten-commandments-in-texas-classrooms-but-what-version/
Anyway, the NIV translation uses "servant" instead of "slave", which seems bogus to me.
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Luckily that commandment is in exodus 20, and exodus 21 just happens to have the rules for selling your daughter as a "servant" for life, as well as the punishment for beating "servants" to death. You know, normal stuff.
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And this is why it's bullshit. 3 versions of a book some random person wrote to gather followers. Biggest cult in the world.
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There's a whole list of things that should get you killed according to those nice books.
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it should also be noted that that's about coveting other people's possessions. that's what that list all has in common. wives are not an exception to that category, as far as the author was concerned. (and the people insisting these stupid things go up.)
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Just go down the list each day and match each commandment with the one of our politicians deeds.
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When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.
He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”
“Do not be angry, my lord,” Aaron answered. “You know how prone these people are to evil. They said to me, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.’ So I told them, ‘Whoever has any gold jewelry, take it off.’ Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!”
Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
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Jesus fuck, did not remember the Bible endorsing self-genocide.
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I was thinking more the worship false idols except from when Moses came down from the mountain. These women doubtless would call themselves good Christians and somehow miss they're standing in from of a literal gold idol.
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Put it right next to all other religious texts you can find?
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Exactly. If there are people from other faiths to be made comfortable, include them. If there are atheists, choose a moral framework that's line with your/their/the school's values and put that up there too.
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Post a sign above them that says: "which of these would you replace and what would you replace it with that offers better moral guidance?"
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“which of these would you replace and what would you replace it with that offers better moral guidance?”
Thou shalt not kill; replace it with "thou must lubeth up before thy mandatory anal sex" /s
BrOnZe AgE iDeAlS dOnT wOrK
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Can you post other religious creed alongside?
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Surely there’s a malicious compliance way to do so. Post it in 6pt font. In disappearing ink. In the original Hebrew. In Elvish. Backward. Behind the flag.
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Original Hebrew is my favorite. If you're not reading it in the language God intended, do you even have faith bro?
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Ceiling
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What disturbs me a bit is that we're in an atheism community and 99% of the answers hinge around 'put up more religion'. Sure, if one then treat them all the same. But then also treat us the same. We don't believe that any of that has a room in a science class room. Where is the respect for our believe?
Hang them up. Then once explain to your students why none of this belongs in a science class room. Ask who would like to have the honors of tearing them down at the end of the class as a proactive lesson on science. Explain to them why this will be a daily ritual now.
This way they're on display every day, so you are strictly speaking compliant. But it makes it very clear that this has no place here. Your students will become more comfortable with the idea of resisting religious BS. Until the day you are fired for it. Then they learn that freedom has a price.
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atheism isn't a belief system though. it's the absence of belief. if the teachers are forced to do stuff based on belief, the only malicious compliance that works within the rules is to treat all belief systems equally. science is also not a belief system.
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Idk man. I'm pretty sure atheism technically IS a belief system: the null set is a subset of every set (also sure, bald is a hair color and if you hold up 2 fists I can count zero fingers you're holding up). Of course, this is subject to some rich debate.
I suspect you can go a step further in malicious compliance by maximally broadening what you mean by "belief system". Obviously you should also have Asimovs 3 laws of robotics, the first rule of fight club, the key phrase to view the marauders map, and so on.
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The idea isn't to spread religious dogma, the idea is to put up non-christian, non-secular sources of what most would consider to be wisdom and watch the hypocrites who made the stupid law in the first place lose their minds that teachers are "putting [Islam, Buddhism, Satanism, etc] in schools". of course, to prevent the teacher from doing that, they would have to sue and potentially have the law that requires teachers to post up the 10 commandments in the first place be declared unconstitutional in order to also remove other sources of religious references.
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Cheers, your viewpoint is much appreciated and enabled me to see a new facette to the discussion!
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Have then in the oldest English you can find. Old enough that it can't be read by most people.
If you got told which format, use it as a study. critical thinking is good
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It was Moses that received them. Contrary to popular belief. Moses did not speak English. I think it would be entirely appropriate to have the 10 commandments in their original language. Which I will assume was Classic Hebrew
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It's not supposed to make everyone comfortable. It's supposed to indoctrinate children to the insane ideals of this fascist govt.
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Put it on the wall and then cover it with the periodic table because you had important things that had to go over the top
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Put up a Klingon translation
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Dan Dennet proposed teaching all major religions, with their history, in public schools.
I think he believed it would innoculate.
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I’ve taught world religion to high schoolers before. I’m 100% in favor of it - I think it helps immensely with empathy and understanding the world. It’s a lot less easy to believe that all Muslims are swarthy murderous masses itching to kill infidels if you know the basic tenets of the religion. And most Christians don’t understand the Bible either. I am absolutely delighted to teach about the history of the texts and their interpretations.
Something like having all of the different religious tenets put up would make perfect sense in a high school world history classroom. However, none of that has any business being a in a middle school science classroom.
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Something like having all of the different religious tenets put up would make perfect sense in a high school world history classroom.
The rule, as written, states that any private individual may present a poster or framed copies of the Ten Cs, rather than purchasing them with public funds. The displays must be a minimum of 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall, with text legible from anywhere in the room. Each classroom in a public elementary or secondary schools must then display the Ten Commandments in a prominent location in each classroom.
The school itself can't provide the material and the material must match the specifications as outlined in the legislation.
Teachers going out and posting additional or contrary material will almost certainly be subjected to retaliation by the district school board or the state.
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Scientific method and logical fallacies might?
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Put it in something almost no one speaks or wrotes, like Toki Pona, or as another commentator said that I think is good, put Texas Republican state politicians/ Trump next to each commandment they broke
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I'm Glad I Graduated when I did, I do however feel bad for all the kids still in school, Hopefully the satanic temple can fight for a statue or paintings of baphomet those guys are great at fighting all this
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Start a discussion on how society would be different if people actually followed those commandments?
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Start pointing out some examples of breaking those commandments using current news articles (which will inevitably include high profile politicians including those who made this stupid rule in the first place)
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Just one or two days before, I've read about an old Cherokee Chief. Somebody read some parts of the bible to him, and he remarked that this was actually a good book, and wondered why the white men were so bad, despite knowing this book for so long. Figures.
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you mean Trump/Epstein files
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There are also the 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth
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I prefer TST’s Seven Tenets, but if someone is posting religious material in a classroom, I’d absolutely support the Satanic Rules being posted alongside them.
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I. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
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I prefer TST’s Seven Tenets
Me, too. Still, if somebody disrespects me in my lair, they're in big trouble.
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As a former catholic i always love seeing these types of christians that want to life by the bible but pick and choose. And even if not they never life by the one golden rule "LOVE THY NEIGHBORE AS THOU SELF" or any other doctrin of christianity
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Even in Europe we give these scammers and pedo's tons of money from the state.
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I knowww
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Hang equivalent documents of every religion you can think of. Also, hang the logic fallacy chart.
https://thethinkingshop.org/products/logical-fallacies-wall-poster
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Where's the satanic Temple when you need them
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Suffering from poor leadership and infighting, unfortunately.
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Just slap a page from the Koran up next to it.
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The mah-freedom-folks forcing people to do something (and making everyone less free) again.
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Post a bunch of Moon non-religious creeds/ directives too.
The Hippocratic Oath Laws of Robotics Presidential Oath of Office Federal and State Oaths of Office
etc.
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Don't. So they then complain about it.
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In theory, that's nice. In practice, if you've got a redcap principal or admin structure, they'll toss your ass out on the street. Then they'll give your students over to the first redpilled whiny ideologue removed they can find to begin the indoctrination.
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"In case anyone feels uncomfortable or excluded by this, here's the contact information for [everyone reasponsible]:"
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The "Thou shall not lie" must be a tough one with the current administration.
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You can't, which is the point.
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Post them upsidedown.
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Weren't they enjoined from this already?
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Looks like it only applies to a handful of districts.
Louisiana did the same shit last year and got shut down.
Oklahoma tried earlier this year, but I think the bill died.
The fuckers will just try again every single year. Showboating, wasting state funds on stupid battles that they know they will lose. Although now they’re emboldened, because our current SCOTUS doesn’t give a shit about the constitution.
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You could put them up as a microdot somewhere, nobody said how big it’s supposed to be,
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Are students allowed to throw tomato at it?
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It’s not supposed to. That’s the point. If you aren’t one of us (straight white republican christian male. WASP is outdated), you’re not one of us, and you’ll be reminded of that at every opportunity. From school to the public places to the workplace.
Need a new acronym. SCReWM? Straight Christian REpublican White Male?
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Screw me?
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Anyone with abrahamic religion background should, on paper, be into those. Moses is an important figure in christian, islam, jewish and other religious texts. In practice, most don't know that, though.
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That doesn't matter, separation of church and state is vital. I don't want fairy tales being taught to my kids in schools I pay for.
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Agreed! Just remarking that many refugees would feel more comfortable with those religious symbols in the room, signaling a shared delusion. The girl in hajib (or more likely her father) for example. Most latin american refugees, too.
The separation is vital for reasons other than the one stated in that screenshot - the reverse more likely to be true
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Good thing the nearly 4.5 billion adherents of Abrahamic Religions have you to educate them in what they "should" be "into".
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Oh no 4.5 billion that's a large number. Hope I'll make all of them proud!
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I don't think having to post them means you have to believe them or pay attention to them, nor will the kids. Middle School is old enough to understand that not all laws make sense, that there are discriminatory rules.
So just some talk or a note about where these come from, that it's a state mandate explicitly designed to exclude and make people uncomfortable, and that it's got nothing to do with your class so can be ignored seems fine.
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