4d ago

Finally correcting the Degoogling lists

Anyone who finds fault with this list = Skill issue.

177 comments

You used the wrong icon. It should be emacs
- Yeah, emacs makes way more sense for this one
  The only thing emacs is missing is a text editor
  
  That actually made me laugh out loud. Well done
  
  That's why evil-mode exists
  
  The only thing emacs is missing is a text editor
  How dare you. I'm sending the church of emacs after your ass.
  
  Surely someone has used the built-in Lisp interpreter to emulate a feature exact nano.
  
  Just open the file in Vim?
- C-x M-c M-butterfly
  https://xkcd.com/378/
  
  And the only thing preventing us mortals from having such power is the lack of a butterfly key on our keyboards
- yea, emacs even has a doctor
  
  Why do you say that?
- Is it possible to downvote a comment twice?
  
  Upvote it first.
- I am a firm believer of (neo)vim being the pinnacle of editing. My workdays start with vim and end with vim. But vim is not the everything app, which the e in emacs probably stands for.
  HOWEVER, there are vim plugins for almost everything, which is pretty cool. This point goes to you, emacs rivals. Let's keep it between us and not the vs code or IDE weirdos
- Only acceptable in eVil form
  
  Doom Emacs for those who have truly ascended.
- Neovim*
  
  nvim
- I don't even agree with the meme and I hate this comment.
- How the fuck did you beat me to it and get so many up votes so fast
- It should be Neovim and Lua. Nobody should be subjected to the curse and torment of writing Elisp.

Sounds like vim is aspiring to be Emacs.
- shots fired
- only because once you start using vim, you can't stop. why do you think people make full on operating systems within vim?
  because they can't leave.

I know it's a classic but confused how I'm supposed to use Vim to send an email
Already got my Vim, any tips?
- open it, use it. keep using it because you can't close it
  
  Shit, I've been scrubbing the bathroom for 10hours, can't close Vim

Emacs!
- -> Vim
  
  -> nano
- It's a great OS it's just lacking a decent text editor.
  
  I used to spend hours trying to get the image on the right page. Now i use Org-mode LaTeX, and just accept that it's impossible.
- 🦶
  
  GNOME -> Vim
- Can emacs really do all of this?
  
  Probably... so long as Emacs can be used to open up Vim. :-P
  
  Theres an emacs map plugin, and a webkit browser, and org mode is basically notes + calendar, you can edit and copy remote files with tramp mode. Theres also an emacs plugin for launching steam games.
  Emacs comes with a plugin called "doctor" which is a rudimentary text ai from the 90s
  One time I wanted to edit a binary file and I found out emacs comes with a hex editor
  
  Probably. I recently installed a bunch of packages so now I use emacs to check my RSS feeds, look up the current word's definition or synonyms, browse Gopher and Gemini sites, check my email ... I told myself I was doing it just for fun to see how much truth there was to the whole "emacs is a great operating system" joke but I genuinely love how handy it all is and I'm worried I'm going to keep falling in even deeper. A part of me does dislike not using purpose built programs for each of those functions ("do one thing and do it well"), but it's been a fun experiment so far

Shameless self-promotion
Emacs btw
- what sort of honoric is et al, does it make you plural?
  
  no no McS. et al., PhD is mf actual family name. Trying a bit too hard to get a great academic career.
  
  In case you're not being sarcastic, et al is a shortening that means "among others" - usually authors of academic papers are clubbed together like this. In this context it is more like, "among other educational qualifications"
- EMACS CURED MY AUTISM!
  
  in only + / - bilions of years!
- For those who haven't seen this amazing interview:
  https://youtu.be/urcL86UpqZc

Mom: we have Google Maps at home
Google Maps at home: Vim

vim -> gnu emacs
- emacs -> back to vim
  
  vim -> back to emacs

This feels like a meme a vim user would make about emacs being bloated

This would be more believable with eMacs tbh

- Most powerful "text editor" you can imagine inside a command line interface. It has unlimited super wild keyboard shortcuts and people on the internet make fun about it, that the only way to exit vim is by turning off the machine, because they don't know the shortcut.
- Vim is a sorry excuse of Emacs. Which is the editor made in and for the language of God, Lisp

This is one of those threads where it is like all of you are just speaking funny(?) gibberish at each other.
- That's not gibberish, those are hilarious jokes using sophisticated vim commands. Here's another, which you have no hope of understanding, but vim users will love:
  :%s/ass/butt/g

AMSTERDAM TRIP: 52.37952717594758, 4.898731163397595 -> 52.373726213381254, 4.8991743688343785 -> 52.37307624236834, 4.892481840346751 -> 52.375235597713356, 4.883881824117286 -> 52.364346142549444, 4.882779439603186 -> 52.358151346039655, 4.868920785661565 -> 52.36032825423474, 4.885688072103288 -> 52.38899110197864, 4.8381014035210965
- Is this navigation?
  
  VI-Maps

"YESS! YESSSSS! GIVE IN TO YOUR EMACS SIDE!!!"
Google Search really sucks these days. I can't find any images of Richard M. Stallman as a Sith lord, even though I'm sure vi fans have made several edits by now. ...It's been a while.

Oops, all vim!

This would make more sense with Emacs /ducks
- Now I Declare The Start of The Holy EDITOR WAR!!!!
- NGL this was my first thought, and I don't even use Emacs!
- M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead

This would be funnier if it were emacs since that's the one that has a metric ton of plugins for all of these
- Vim too. The difference is that emacs cultivates and promotes its omnitool capabilities, while vim hides its equally omnipotent plugins shamefully in https://www.vim.org/scripts/
  
  Vi(rgi)m hides its shamefully impotent plugins in the face of ChadMacs

One night there was a storm, and Master Wq’s house collapsed. The next morning he began to build it again using his old tools. His novice came to help him, and they built for a while and were making good progress. As they worked, the novice began to tell Master Wq of his latest accomplishments.
“Master, I have developed a wonderful Vim script to give all sorts of useful information about a document. It counts the words, the sentences, the paragraphs, and even tells you what kind of document it is using the syntax highlighting rules. I use it in my pipelines all the time. It is a thing of beauty, and I am very proud. Truly, Vim is the greatest tool!”
Master Wq did not reply. Thinking he had unwittingly angered his master, the novice fell silent and continued his work.
The novice finished aligning two beams and had positioned a nail ready for beating into the wood, but found the hammer was out of reach.
“Would you pass me the hammer, master?”
Master Wq handed the novice a saw.
At once, the novice was enlightened.
https://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/vim-koans/

and finally you replace vim with nano
- Cast out the unbeliever! Drive them from our light! Let them not pass amongst the true believers lest they lead others astray!
  
  I-i-it's surely okay, as they must have meant neovim, r-r-right?!?!?!?!
- From a "giving tech support" POV, nano is the best editor. Have you ever tried walking a non-techie through editing a config file on the command line, over the phone, no screen share? Nano is your friend. (I swear, this very expensive software I used to support got its sysadmins by picking whoever was absent the day the the client site figured out someone had to do it.)

I much prefer handwriting in shorthand, scanning it in, running it through OCR, and cat to a file.
- I sure hope you do Not use a non patched Xerox Workstation for it.....
  Explanation: They had a bug a few years ago where the scanners would alter numbers due to their compression algorithm.

https://xkcd.com/378/
- Of course theres a relevant XKCD

If you use Vim you'll never use any other software
- I would respond.. but I can’t figure out how to exit Vim
  <badumtss.gif>
- That silly program can't trick me! I used Vim last year and I'm totally able to use other programs!
  ...I just have to use Vim also at all times!
  
  As long as they have a plugin for vim shortcuts. I don't know how many :w I left strewn over my documents at work.
- The problem with using Vim is that you have to learn Vim, but early in my career I was in single-ecosystem shops that all used IDE's for whatever tech (Microsoft= Visual Studio, Java = Eclipse / NetBeans, PHP = Sublime Text, arguably not an IDE)
  By the time I got to the point in my career where I got to choose the tooling, VSCode was already a thing and it has an extension for anything you can think of.
  So I never had to learn Vim, and now it's in the too-hard basket, and VSCode is ubiquitous and works surprisingly well
  
  You might change your mind when you hit rock bottom and have to claw your way back with a 2011 shitbox laptop that attempts to kill itself if you dare to open a second firefox tab or, case in point, VSCode or anything that has been built with Electron.
  I learnt vim and neovim out of necessity - because it takes only 30 MB on RAM
- So I recently switched to vim as my text editor. And started using vimwiki for notes. But I must know what insanity could one possibly do with a Text editor other than... Well text edit.

real G's use ed
- It's standard for a reason.
  
  You know what else is standard? strcmp in C with user input.
  If you know you know.
- But I don't need an editor, do you see an editor somewhere in the infographics? Thought so.

Pro tip for new VIM users: it's "Q".
- :q to be exact
  
  And don't forget to press Enter

You surely mean Emacs, no?
- He tried to, but couldn't enter edit mode to type it out

Why Chatgpt and not Gemini? Also why no vpn? You could have put VPN by Google

Even though I regularly use vim for editing files, so many shortcuts and commands are still unknown. How would one approach this issue without reading the man page? Asking for a friend…
- $ vimtutor
  
  At first I thought you were joking. But that is actually a command. I’m surprised. Thanks!
- vimtutor is the starting point for learning vim, but it's fairly surface-level. To actually learn vim, you should read through the user manual by typing :help usr_01 and hitting enter in vim. It's also accessible online here: https://vimhelp.org/usr_01.txt.html#usr_01.txt.
  It's a fairly quick read, about 40ish pages that are reasonably short and is intended to be read straight through like a book. It provides a good overview of all of vim's features.
  Note: this is distinct from the reference manual, which is much, much larger and isn't intended to be read straight through.
  
  This was very helpful. Thank you for taking some time to share!
- It depends on your distro. It could be sudo apt install emacs or sudo dnf install emacs or sudo pacman -S emacs, etc.
  
  Do I look like a toddler to you? I use le emerge 💅

Vim -> Emacs
- You'd have to know how to exit Vim to do that though
  
  My nemisis, we meet again!
- Please! no more editor wars, just use ed! And if you need the fancy modern features, you can always use notepad.
  
  Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all, is the standard text editor
  https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
- Vim -> Helix
- No. Nano or gtfo

Text editors should be simple and approachable above all. Nano is undeniably the best by this definition.
- I do not agree with your premise. Some editors should be simple and approachable above all. Some should also be super customizable and efficient to use for those who want do dive deep into their editor.
  
  I probably should have specified that I use a GUI IDE for the most part and text editing on the CLI is usually just quick changes to config files on servers and stuff. If you do your main dev work in CLI, respect and yeah you should be using Vim or Emacs with a shitload of customization.
- it feels like it was made quickly after people complained about vim or emacs bein too hard and then just minimally maintained
  
  It's good enough for the requirement.
  Can't remember key-combinations? You have a list right there.
  It's for those who just need the occasional file editing using ssh or sudo.
  For anything more, you have vim and you can configure stuff to your liking. Nothing needs to be added to nano.
- Text editors should be simple and approachable above all.
  Why? I'd say they should edit text well above all.
  
  If i need more than Nano has to offer, I'd much rather use a GUI editor like Kate though.
- I've been daily driving nano for years, I wish it was less of an afterthought when people debate text editors.
  
  As a simple terminal editor with no bells and whistles it works great, I used it a lot at my last job when I had to make a small tweek on a program that was loaded on the "build server".
  It's simple, easy to use, and doesn"t fight you.
- undefined
  
  "Ed is the standard text editor." Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed: golem> ed ? help ? ? ? quit ? exit ? bye ? hello? ? eat flaming death ? ^C ? ^C ? ^D ? --- Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity. "Ed is the standard text editor." Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all. ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!! When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!! TEXT EDITOR. When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard. Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
- For simple edits to single text files nano has to be my most used editor. Vim is a close second though.
  For editing code, I've used just about everything for one reason or another but it's usually just my IDE with the directory open.

You misspelled Emacs

But idk what that is and I don't want to google it 🤡

How do I get off Google voice?

:wq!

listen here, you little shit

Honestly it's kinda true except for Photos and Maps. Everything that is not fundamentally visual by nature can pretty efficiently be done with Vim. It truly excels at manipulating and navigating through text.
- I'm not shure whether vim is not capable of handling photos — I never tried this plugin: https://github.com/ashisha/image.vim
  Edit: it's 10 years old and uses python2 and PIL, so it needs a bit dusting off, but with a bit of caring love, it should be able to run again.
  
  It surely can be done... but is it really a good idea? :P
  If one were to use e.g. Immich database of tags describing images though then it might make sense, but then it's still indirectly manipulating content.

Vim -> Emacs

I wish

You have invented "emacs -nw"

Perfection

Gotta run vim under emacs eshell

I have a question: I sadly still use my Gmail for many 'official' purposes and anything I need to pay to (I promise I will delete my Amazon account within the next year or so... especislly since those fuckers dont even let you archive or delete your own purchase history!), but I will need some access to my Gmail account. Anyway I can do this without giving Google everything?