Hexbear defederated from us
Hexbear defederated from us
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They have a very different view of what constitutes an unsafe space, for the last day or so every time I saw a username with pronouns my whole body would tighten up anticipating some randomly aggressive attack post. I hate that they made me feel that way about something that should be good. I will not miss them.
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One of them made a post on Egg_irl with Astolfo which seems to be almost saying that they think Femboys and GNC are just trans girls in denial. Really didn't sit well with me since I know that that kind of think is very hurtful to Femboys and has been very hurtful to me as well as an Agender.
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That was me, I was referring to myself and how I personally came to realise I was trans through being a femboy, if it came off as offensive I'm sorry and I'll remove the post
Edit: hexbear is currently down so I can't, I'll remove the post as soon as hexbear comes back online
Edit 2: hexbear is still not coming back up so I'll report the post on this account and ask the mods to delete it, sorry for any discomfort I caused you
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I had a blahaj person make a similar response to a message of mine a few weeks ago, before hexbear was even on the radar. I just rolled my eyes and may have sent some sort of "wow, what a dumb take" response or something.
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I could not be more relieved.
On the one hand, it sucks that there is a rift between communities who seem to have genuine care for LGBTQ issues. However, through the past day, being exposed to Hexbear's community and content has made me extremely concerned.
Hexbear's server content is full of great big red flags. Even a brief skim through some top posts and comments showed a lot of content I found alarming. There are posts denying genocide, calls to violence, blatant Russian propaganda, apologists galore for authoritarianism, and the constant assurance that anyone not agreeing with these ideas was obviously a Fascist. And this was all wrapped in what I can only describe as a weird layer of smug superiority - that they are the only ones who "get it". I don't have a high opinion of any community that seems to think having the a word like "tankie" applied to them is problematic while accepting the previously mentioned content as okay. To make matters worse, a lot of Hexbear user's I've seen in other communities posting, it is often antagonistic if not just straight-up trolling. I just don't see the value in any of this.
I just wish we had become defederated sooner and not been exposed to a community that seems to be so rife with arrogant, extremist trolls that are hell-bent on stirring up drama.
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Damn, I'm not one for drama but Holy shit their comments on that thread are fucked up, they seem like a really toxic and unhealthy bunch of people.
We're generally better off without extremists who's only defense to anything they don't like is attacking others and badmouthing them.
It really shows their general character and maturity levels.
Also, it seems like there are a lot of other instances asking mods for defederation due to toxicity.
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Yeah, the comments are bad, I clicked on the link out of curiosity. I think I got my weekly dose of online slurs for the week.
Also an interesting “safe space”. A “safe space” to be unhinged in which names you call others that don’t agree with you and been cheered on for doing so.
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You cannot leave me because I'm leaving you, well that situation solved itself. That said I am concerned about 196.
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They exited on mutual agreement I guess
Well technically not mutual agreement until/unless we also defederate from them. Which I still am in support of.
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People are so caught up with hating hexbear users that the whole 196 mod drama is probably going to be overlooked. I'm waiting to see the statement from our instance mods before deciding if this place is really for me
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What sort of statement? Except for the ableist comments that occurred last night when I was sleeping, everything else in that post had been actively addressed long before hexbear was on the scene.
The issues around ableism occurred when I was in bed, and I addressed them first thing this morning, removing the content in question and sending comms to the person in question making our standards clear.
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if that screenshot of the mod log isn’t leaving out important context then this looks pretty bad, hexbear users aren’t alone in seeing a decent amount of reactionary language and talking points here in the past few weeks. in all fairness tho most of it probably isn’t intentional
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Yeah I'm all out. I'll keep modding my art and nsfw comms (though they're somewhat inactive) but that's as far as I'll go.
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Isn’t it funny how there were no complaints until there was a post here asking about defederation?
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There weren't any complaints until the mod of the second largest comm on this instance started throwing around slurs and leaking dms - also hexbear admins were unaware of previous chaser things the mod had publicly defended on 196 until a blahaj user brought it up in a thread about a blahaj user claiming enbys on hexbear were faking being non binary for clout (the enbyphobic comment was pretty swiftly deleted by the mods here after it was brought to their attention thankfully)
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real you can't fire me i quit vibes from them
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Perfect outcome, they get to feel superior despite doing nothing - which is their only goal - and we get to clean their mess.
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Is there really any mess? A 1x1 foot rug could cover any of it up.
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It could really tie a room together.
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Honestly, thank God.
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Thank fucking God
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Thank fuck. I was getting really tired of people picking fights everywhere over dumb shit.
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This explains why my feed has been less hectic since I got on a few minutes ago.
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Issues with 196 aside, those Hexbear folks sure are a contentious people.
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What’s up with 196? I blocked their community weeks ago
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Bye, have a beautiful time!
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Lol. For a group of people regularly defending genocide and calling for people to get the wall, they sure are easily offended. I wonder if this distortion of facts, and trying to gaslight us is due to some sort of mass psychosis or plain narcissism.
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Note that the removed comments that triggered this have since been restored: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2097409 Looking at the comment history of the involved users the second comment from Nakoichi is referencing a different comment thread (https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2097384). While I don't agree with the initial take, it didn't need to be removed at all, much less with that reason.
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Moderation decisions are often contentious, especially when communities are as idiosyncratic as 196. The thing to do is first to cool off a bit, then to have a dialogue, first with the other users involved in the thread and then possibly with the mods.
That’s not the path this gentleman took. No, he charged into the meta community calling the mod ableist, racist and a chaser enabler and demanding his removal. That’s just not how we do things here. That path only leads to more acrimony.
This is bad, but then it got a lot worse. He whipped his entire instance into a huge frenzy, leading to dogpiling and defederation.
These guys are simply not able to work through disagreements in a productive manner. And they create disagreements for sport.
So yes, moderation on 196 could be better. I’m sure they learned a lesson from this. But everything that happened after the initial mod decision rested squarely on the shoulders of Nakoichi and the admins of hexbear.
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It's a shame to see the two instances split especially since I was pushing for the two instances to not defed pretty hard on the hexbear side, but the mod of one of the largest Comms being openly ableist, doubling down by deleting accusations of ableism then being ableist again in the removal reason and also defending chasers is pretty damning imo
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I really wanted the two instances to stay federated and advocated for such, but now I'm not sure if I even want to be here. Here's hoping we can commandeer 196 and make sure it's based and doesn't end up like the reddit one
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I didn't see the ableism, what did they say?
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They posted a comment that included the word libt*rd and then [one of the other mods apparently] deleted an anarchist hexbear users comment calling this out, then they [(affirmentioned other mod)] called him "braindead" in one of the removal reasons for him pushing back on being accused of being a tankie iirc. After getting more push back on the initial comment moss edited the slur out.
Edit: here's the link to their apology for the use of the slur in which they use the slur again: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2092636
"I’ve also never called anyone slurs! I used a semi-slur in an extreme hypothetical example of what I wasn’t saying"
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Agreed, that needs to be dealt with as well.
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I was about to yell "Good riddance!" and go running to join the transy-sharky-instance but we just really 'can't have nice things,' can we :- :(
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Yiiiiikes
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They can block specific communities like lemmy.world did with the major piracy community. If they have a problem with a specific community but not the rest of the instance, they didn't need to go so far as to defederate from the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance, though given current tensions between the two instances I doubt they'll be missed. Either way, it is a massive strength of the fediverse that when admins make these decisions, users can easily leave and move to another instance with very little hassle
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Good for them. Amateur hour over here.
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I mean, if you’re unsatisfied, there’s an easy way to remedy that.
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Aww, but then I couldn’t see your future antics.
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They must have done something that wasn’t a full defed or haven’t done it yet. I literally just had a hexbear user respond to me in a blahaj post
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iirc they'll be able to respond to posts that were already loaded into their instance, and you'll be able to see it, but if you respond, they won't see the response.
They're just not accepting any new data from blahaj. Blahaj hasn't defederated from them, so blahaj is happy to accept any new data they throw at it.
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Yeah I saw. This shit has spiraled majorly, but a lot of their accusations are incredibly distorted versions of the truth, especially around the slurs. We remove slurs! I made an honest mistake, and immediately corrected it when called out, yet that has turned into accusations of ableism and transphobic behavior
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Honestly, as an outsider, it seems like the majority of engagement from hexbear's side is extremely bad faith. Same vibes as twitter drama from couple years ago when twitter queers "cancelled" leftist and queer content creators and prominent figures for basically nothing. Like Contrapoints twitter drama. Or Lindsay Ellis twitter drama. Or second Contrapoints twitter drama, you get the point...
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I'm not on this instance but I have been paying attention to what's going on, and I feel like a lot of the drama is being amplified by bad-faith accounts that are not contextualizing accusations but instead using judgments like "ableism," "racism," and "defense of chasers." While in a certain lens those accusations are accurate, that lens is very distorted; it ignores all context and assumes bad faith from all participants, which I don't think is warranted.
I would guess a lot of the Hexbear users also have alts on this instance and are just amplifying the discord since that's sort of their raison d'être. I imagine it'll all blow over as they get bored and go back to Hexbear.
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