Not looking so bad now
Not looking so bad now
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We're fast approaching a time where owning media is considered a luxury.
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Only if you pay for them 🏴☠️
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We're running out of safe havens to host, I feel. Countries that won't submit to the industry's will. With the additional clamping down on material not government-sanctioned recently, with invasive biometric and ID checks, it certainly feels like the wrong direction.
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If companies are allowed unlicensed access (AI training) to media en masse I don't see a reason everyone else shouldn't have that either.
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Perhaps even a crime.
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where owning media is considered a luxury.
Much more likely that it will simply be impossible to legally own any media.
Back when people bought analog media, I don't know if it was fully spelled out what you did and didn't actually own. Obviously you didn't own the copyright to whatever it is you were buying. But, you did own the physical item. What rights were transferred to you when you bought the record in the record store? Probably an unlimited right to play the record at home, but not the right to play it in a dance club. I wonder if the "copyright license" was ever actually spelled out though.
In the digital era there is no longer any physical item to own, and since you never did own the "information" encoded into the physical medium, ownership of digital files is already on shaky ground. In the past you could buy MP3s, and these days it's still occasionally possible to buy DRM-free e-books. But I wouldn't be surprised if in the future just having media stored locally will be presumed to be illegal.
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Bluray was always luxury.
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Your local Library has videos.
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My local torrent site has them without getting off the couch.
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True, but if you get a walk to the library it is both healthy and you support your local library (more users means more funding hopefully).
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not everyone lives in countries with local libraries that have videos
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that's true
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I've got no way to play DVDs though I'd have to go and buy a DVD player. Streaming content is much more convenient I would like to be able to do it legally and without hassle. But the content creating companies don't seem to be interested in providing me an option to do that.
Anyway my local library isn't really that local it's a 25-minute drive and probably an hour plus walk up a really steep hill.
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Oh no not having to leave my house or get a little bit of exercise or go outside!
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I get that this isn't an option for everyone. Part of why I wrote it in such big text without any qualifiers is that it is an option for a significant amount of people, yet frequently gets completely overlooked.
But I gotta ask
Why would you make a 25-munute drive but stop at the bottom of the hill? Why not just drive the rest of the way up?
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I just don't want to have to pay for anything
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There aren't stairs?
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Burn your "acquired media" to physical media now folks. The powers that be are purposely limiting physical media so the have an excuse to phase it out
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instructions unclear, set fire to my entire DVD collection
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Or save them redundantly to several archive-quality hdds. Why have 20 blu-ray dvds for one copy of a collection when you could have 3 complete copies on 3 hdd. Both are life limited media, both will eventually require re-archiving. One has potential for mechanical failure, the other more likely to physically degrade. Pick your poison, or do one of each.
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"The powers that be" aren't doing some kind of nefarious thing here. Physical media is only worth producing if they're doing it at incredibly high volumes. The smaller the run, the more expensive it is for each individual unit. Fewer and fewer people are buying, and there are fewer and fewer physical devices out there capable of playing the media.
For them, it's a simple calculation of the cost of producing physical media, getting it from the factory to stores, paying the stores to shelve it, etc. vs. simply having a website with media files on it.
While there are some people who still prefer physical media, for the most part consumers also prefer just going to a website and clicking a button vs. driving to a store, parking, searching the shelves in the hope they have what they're looking for, and so-on. In addition, as fewer companies put out physical media, it's harder to find the physical media you want in the stores, so more people prefer to go online, which leads to less demand for physical media, fewer choices on the shelves, and more demand for streaming.
I'm sure the bonus of consumers rarely having a way to view a movie or listen to a song an unlimited number of times without paying is something the media companies also enjoy. But, the main reason physical media is disappearing isn't some kind of conspiracy by the mysterious "powers that be", it's a simple profit calculation by accountants at Sony and Disney.
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I'm sure there's other "old" people here that never stopped sailing the seas. I started to use a computer in the mid 90ies and internet a few years later. From the start, there has been attempts at streaming. I remember using RealPlayer trying to stream some video while on dial-up, only to be just a bunch of pixels in a very tiny window. So you downloaded everything, and kept it because you didn't want to spend 45 minutes to download the very same song once again.
And I never stopped this practise. I still have my MP3 collection that I started 25 years ago. I still have .rm files from movies that I captured myself. I can't believe how much bandwidth we just waste on streaming stuff again and again.
Once, the zoomer trying to sell my a data plan for my phone couldn't believe I didn't need more than a few gigs a month. No, I don't stream music. No, I don't stream movies nor series. I download them once, store them, and enjoy them whenever I want. No censored episodes, no missing episodes, no ads, just the content.
Although I do buy some of my MP3s now if possible. If I can straight up pay to download MP3 files, like on Bandcamp, I will. I wish we could do the same for series and movies, but since we're absolutely not there, I'll just continue to sail the seas and fill up my hard drives.
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oh man I used to have (way long ago, the statue of limitations has crumbled) the most extensive collection of early simpsons. then my family started buying me plastic simpson head collections for birthdays and holidays, so I stopped downloading. still have a great collection.
now instead my hard drive is filled with so much music. more music than games, which my wife refuses to believe (but half of it is hers).
and we have an entire cd collection, and vinyl collection to rip if I ever get bored.
there was this old blues program on the local npr station that I'd listen to religiously in high school. I was trying to learn sax. I kind of did, but I've got a stack of those tapes taller than me. I just right now found out the guy who ran the program died last month so I'm trying to dig out a cassette deck. here's a song i got off his program.
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and fill up my hard drives.
This is the real cost of your method. Luckily hard drive costs halve every 2 years or so.
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hard drive costs halve every 2 years or so.
Where did you get halves from? Maybe if you're buying refurb/low-cap/shuck-drives on sale...? Not even the 2 year price projections (which are usually extremely optimistic) are anywhere near halving for higher-cap drives.
Even now, the only thing you'd get even nearing the optimal $10/TB mark would be a shuck-drive on sale as far as I can tell. Whereas the cheapest non-shuck is like $12.50/TB, but you'll most likely be wasting tons of time RMAing it within a year anyways because it's Seaate 🤢
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Good. I'm wanting to build a NAS soon.
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I watched my first anime, Tenchi Muyo, by streaming it on Real Player at like 90p.
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Welcome to the land of mkv! Get your hand brake ready.
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Workin' on it! Got me a used laptop that's about as recent as possible to still have a slim bluray slot built in. Learning all the things.
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I started building an all-BluRay collection back in 2018. I saw the writing on the wall when I would go to watch a movie with friends on streaming and it would be gone.
Almost all of my favorite movies are mine now. I see a lot of comments talking about pirating, but for me personally, the display I get and being able to just have guests grab from the wall is a lot cooler than scrolling.
Not to mention, some of them are quite collectible. It’s neat having some movies that are really rare and I know I had to work to find them.
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I highly suggest that you make ripped backups. I learned the hard way, I digitised my grandfather's CD collection and some of his DVDs, some of which were already damaged beyond repair. Some of his broken DVDs are less than 20 years old. They are not scratched, they are in mint condition.
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Yeah. Was thinking of starting that this year. Getting ready to switch my last Windows machine to Linux and it’s the one running the BluRay drive. Linux is way easier to rip with.
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I started doing that a while back, but quickly realized that it's both faster and less effort to torrent those same movies than to fanny about ripping the discs...
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My Spotify playlists get greyed-out sections in them with disturbing regularity. As soon as I figure out how to download them without installing software that gives me a million viruses, I'll be deleting my account...
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People got lazy and threw away their stuff thinking streaming was the future. Some of us knew better because we know how capitalism works.
Own your media folks!
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I just don't have nearly the amount of places to get them anymore. Still, I have a small wall worth of DVDs and Blu-ray.
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A hand full of VHS as well.
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Luckily I saved all of my blu-rays. And, bonus: they're all good movies from before Disney went to shit
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you got Blu Rays from before Steamboat Willy?
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Wow... an OG Disney fan...
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Disney has always been shit, especially their business practices.
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I was in a car with one of them there blu-ray players, and it turned out there was actually disc in, so we tried to use it. After 15 minutes of unskippable content, we finally got to the start of the film and wanted to select language/subtitles - and it wouldn't let us. 20 mins wasted.
DVDs and BlueRay were crap, we just forgot.
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Some players/remotes are more helpful than others.
Skip doesn't work? Try menu, fast forward, etc
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Exactly just like CD's huge, unpractical and fragile.
While you could have mp3's and movie files at about the same time.
I don't understand people's choices sometimes, and now I can't get how everyone pays for this ridiculous Spotify, with it's scummy practices and worse, when you're at some houseparty and the host asks what I want to hear it doesn't have my music since it's not mainstream enough.
Glad I'm old and don't have to deal with this BS where consumers can choose from the same multinational corporate pushed garbage they hear everywhere and nothing else.
And they're OK with it too since it's all they know.
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Support your local library
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Casual reminder, Sony and Intel tried to tether Blu-ray discs to SGX DRM, which was killed just a few years after they introduced the standard, rendering all of your SGX DRM Blu-rays unplayable on PC. They disabled it so quickly, because people could use Intel SGX DRM for remote code execution in your machine, below the operating system and kernel level.
Also, if you have one of the CPUs which still has SGX DRM, congratulations, you have a hardware Trojan! Digital restrictions management is a cancer because look at what it does in reality, vs. what they say. Who came up with this?
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Torrents and Jellyfin - streaming is better if you do it yourself
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I just have the server on an isolated VLAN that has all traffic routed through a no log commercial VPN service.
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You got it backwards. The Sith are the corpos and the resistance is piracy.
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I'm not really sure what you mean. Yoda is responding to Obi-Wan who had just said "That boy is our last hope". Yoda was referring to the fact that there is another Skywalker (Leia). So in this context, Luke would be physical media, Leia would be piracy, and the streaming services would be the Sith/Empire.
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Nah ain't doing movies and shows physical media, I only watch things once. Torrent it is
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Same bro. I don't get people who want to watch Dirty Dancing and The Lion King two million times. It's good but... I want new things! New experiences! I get bored revisiting what I already know.
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There is a difference between how people watch stuff and how much they remember. I also can't rewatch anything within a decade, because I remember every single line. My wife didn't remember what that episode was about a week later. Sometimes I envy her, because I constantly need to look for new stuff, which might or might not be good. she can just rewatch something and she knows that she likes it. Of course this is exaggerated, but I guess you get the point.
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Im like you. I'm a "give me new things".
it took me a few years to understand. Especially since I have a coworker who shared she plays the Office in the background, nearly every day for a few years.
It's comfort food for them. Why do some people play 1000+ hours of the same mobile games? Why do some people do those thousand piece puzzles?
It's just comfort and consistency.
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You dont have a favourite show or movie?
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I'm like the OP. I watch it once.
If I want to watch it again, which hasn't been the case for over a decade:
- Find the physical version. Often at a thrift store
- Sail the open seas
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I do but that doesn't mean I will re watch it over and over
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There’s only so many times I want to watch the same movie, so my library would be limited
We need Bluray/DVD rental stores back.
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Many libraries have large DVD collections.
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There are some still around believe it or not. There's one local to me that's been around forever. They don't have anything that's exclusive to streaming services, but that have loads of new movies and a massive collection of old movies. They're pretty handy to get movies that are in limbo due to rights disputes.
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I miss some of those great DVD extras.
In the movie, Robert Downey Jr's said he didn't break character until he finished do the DVD commentary. He was in character when he did the DVD commentary.
There was a special edition of Buckaroo Banzai with an onscreen commentary that pointed out that Buckaroo was carrying Einstein's brain with him when he entered dimension 8
edit = the movie was 'Tropic Thunder.'
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In the movie, Robert Downey Jr's character said...
I know you're talking about Tropic Thunder, but how many other people would?
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The extended DVD for 40 Year Old Virgin features all the "how I know you're gay" that didn't make the movie itself. I giggled extensively.
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Literally the only benefit to paying for streaming over hosting your own stuff is discovery. So if the service sucks ass at that, it serves literally no benefit.
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Yep! It's how I learned about that Poop Cruise documentary. Or Tiger King. Or all the trash Isekai.
Things I would never walk into a store and just outright buy them. And if I did, it would be like $10-50 bucks, the price of the subscription.
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Nebula isn't really even in the same ballpark, super weird to include it there. Not sure when YouTubers started minting blu-rays and DVDs...
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It's just a shame that DVDs and Blu-Rays for new movies aren't really made anymore. They're just leaving money on the table at this point that bootleggers in Malaysia are getting instead.
But still, absolutely. DVD all the way. I fixed the cord I cut back in 2015 and I'm much better off for it.
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They come out with new releases all the time. Brick and mortar stores just don't always carry them. In the past year Target and Best Buy stopped. Here's a list of physical media that came out this week: https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=36930
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Everyone seems to be telling me that there's still new releases, but seemingly not for anything I'm interested in. The last Blu-Ray I've been able to pick up was WandaVision. There was a time where basically 100% of movies got physical releases and, acknowledging confirmation bias, it does feel like those times are gone.
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There are still DVDs and Blurays being made for new movies. Some movies are 100% digital, but in my experience they tend to be the ones that the streaming platforms produce themselves and they have an interest in keeping people on their service.
But most other movies still get dvds and blurays made and are still sold in stores.
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I guess it's not technically a new movie, but I just bought the 4k blu ray rerelease of Dark City that came out this year. So there are still some new releases in the format.
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Just use jellyfish or kodi
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I could not get jellyfish to work
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Try Jellyfin instead.
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Maybe because its supposed to just be the jelly"fin" and not the whole fish. Might have complicated things for you.
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All these one size fits all media servers are aweful, i use rygel for now but it chokes on larger collections.
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This post made me realize something.
Up until blu ray, the value proposition for buying electronics was always an absolute upgrade over the old tech.
You could do everything you wanted with DVDs that you could do with VHS and more (rewind, commentary).
Same thing with blue ray, sure the price might not have been worth the quality bump, but it was superior technology.
Ever since fucking Netflix it’s the opposite, the quality is lower and no extras + you lose access.
Seriously, Netflix introduced the idea of treating digital customers like shit by giving less for more and it worked so everyone is following it
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use libraries! they are great.
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You meant to put the bittorrent symbol on the red girl.
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🏴☠️, folks. whats the holdup why people rather mess with fucking VHS again rather than just do it the convenient way?
is that the extent of the anti piracy propaganda?
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I'm anticipating a crackdown on piracy in the near future. Even if you use a VPN that could get you flagged and traffic analyzed maybe even dropped from your ISP.
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Thats why you grab a lifetime of stuff now
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is there anything preventing you from pirating now?
that's not to say they haven't failed over and over again to stop piracy with their crackdowns.
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I want to be in the room when they plug that VCR into a 70-in TV and hit play just to see their faces.
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I have a media converter made from a raspberry pi I use for all of my old consoles so I can play them on modern TVs. I bet it would work great for vhs tapes as well. Tape degradation might be a different issue though...
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Even the fresh tapes don't hold up well to digital. That phosphor blur, small screen size and insane brightness made that picture look so much better than it really was. you spread that out to the large screen it looks rough.
Video games with a lot of solid colors work well, but everything else is a horror show
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Keep a 13-inch TV around?
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No, I ain't going back to VHS. The quality was horrible. I don't want to fiddle the with tracking.
The best thing about it was that you could easily record what was on the TV.
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There was auto tracking towards the end. It was the rewind that done it for me.
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I'll only watch a VHS, if it's a weird Japanese anime OVA from the 80s.
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They look okay on CRTs hooked up with composite. I tried watching one on a modern LCD and yeah it was awful.
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When there was 3-4 big streaming platforms things were great... now everyone is just copy/pasting their services and slapping their own content and logo on it and charging a premium.
That movie you watched on Netflix 5 years ago, is likely no longer on Netflix. If you want to rewatch it you'd have to find it on another platform, pay their monthly fee - or pay the rental fee... ironically from one of these streaming services.
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3-4? That's when things were going wrong lmfao. Talk to me about the days of Netflix being a champ and Hulu having a free tier.
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I went back to physical media half a year ago. Fuck streaming. I don't miss that shit. My local library has tons of dvds and blurays so my household gets to experience many interesting films these days.
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I don't miss physical media either tho. I always hated that they force you to watch an anti piracy ad on a disc you bought, and force feed you trailers. Just let me see the movie i paid for.
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Most dvds/blu-rays either let you skip those or just open up to the title menu at this point...
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I mean, you can just skip the trailers and not every disc has the piracy ad. At least that is not my experience! Out of all the dvds I own or have borrowed from the library, only a handful of them have the unskippable piracy ad. In fact, I have experienced a lot of dvds that don't even have ads and just skip straight to the menu. Those rarely have extra material either. Only language options and a play button. Seems to mostly be a thing with modern dvd movies.
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Blu-ray still has functional DRM. DVDs only, thank you. With backup on magnetic.
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Yohohoho
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There is something very satisfying about opening up a movie DVD box or game DVD box. You see all these artworks and especially for games, guides !
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I remember that they had pretty much stopped doing that entirely, half the time it was a slip of paper w/ an advert on it, or some sort of legal compliance form.
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It's almost nostalgic for me.
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I am freshly into selfhosting and am running Beelink s12 pro with Jellyfin on. Ripped tons of DVDs and about to get blu ray drive for ripping. Never paid a cent to Netflix or any other streaming sites. Dunno why my wife pays entry subscription to Netflix. Cant watch FHD or higher, got ads, cant mirror screen to a TV with entry subscription, no choice in what movies to watch, shows from competitors are not on netflix. Fuck this shit, man. I pay for DVDs and blurays anyday as long as I can chose what to watch and to keep it to myself.
Got recently raspberry pi 3. Planning to setup private VPN in my homeland where pirating is not an issue yet.
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Toss Betamax in there and you've got me. I miss those little tapes.
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I keep bards and othersuch minstrels in the back yard (don't worry, they're fenced in) and have them play for me whenever I clap my hands. I can clap them off too
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Laserdisk, I had this friend who collected all sorts of junk and this was impressive Tek from decades ago.
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I'm finally ready to embrace Blu-ray.
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I like that blu-ray looked at the DVD logo and said “we can italicize more than that”
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Nah I don't miss having to deal with region zones, they are such a pain... sure you can rip the disk, but you're still left with a disk you bought yet can't use because your players are deliberately sabotaged to not work.
I don't miss using physical media either, they take up so much space... I'd need a mansion if I wanted to replace the content of my media server with physical media.
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Region zones do indeed suck, but I installed custom firmware on my PS3 to remove the DVD/Blu-Ray region lock, and now it's a non-issue.
And I use disc binders for most of my collection, unless it's something I really want to display. Long-term, once my collection is complete, I do plan to rip everything.
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I was buying every season of it’s always sunny, now they don’t even make physical copies. They stopped at like season 10.
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May I interest you in the !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com wiki/megathread? Yo ho yo ho...
I support creators as I can, but when there's literally no other option to own it in a way it can't be just taken from you I don't feel there's any strong argument against it.
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… when there’s literally no other option to own it in a way it can’t be just taken from you …
There’s at least one legal route that’s still viable.
I buy lots of Blu-ray and 4K UHD discs. I rip them straight on to my Jellyfin server. In fact, there’s been renewed vitality in disc releases during the past few years. Small shops like Shout Factory and Arrow are buying rights to old (‘60s through ‘00s) films that were shot on 35mm. They re-scan and remaster for UHD 4K and then straight to physical disc. That’s a cheap production pipeline with modern tech.
I’ve been having a blast re-visiting films that I never saw in the theater and only know from VHS or DVD rentals. Seeing them again with fresh eyes in 4K has been really gratifying.
That, plus new release discs keep me with more options than I have time to watch.
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At least that means you have the lethal weapon episodes!
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#BackToThePast
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Thought progress was always good? Think again
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I think progress by definition is good. Change is not always good. Not all change is progress.
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I thought the same, so I bought some Blu-rays and DVDs. DVDs are fine as long as you're okay with the quality. Blu-rays have DRM though, which in Linux feels like you're pirating even when playing legit content
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I don't know if that changes by know, but some years back when I was looking trying to play a Blu-ray (got for birthday) and there was no legal way to play it on Linux. It was so frustrating to tinker with that I ended up downloading the movie and put the disc on top of the PC, just to pretend.
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I have loads of DVDs and a lot more VHS tapes but you don't exactly keep watching the same thing over and over again, except a few favorites. Buying a mediocre movie just to watch once will have you thinking about how much it's worth the space and money.
OTOH, here at least, you are allowed to have/create a backup of your media, so having rips of those is no issue and they are more convenient.
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Bring back Blockbuster so I can just pay, like, $3 once to rent a movie instead of $20/month when I'm probably only gonna watch 1 or 2 movies in that time. The rental prices aren't much cheaper than buying a copy on digital platforms.
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There are still options for disc-by-mail rental online. Netflix shut down their business but there are smaller companies still serving the remaining market.
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Stremio + Torrentio FTW.
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Fuck the blu-ray consortium.
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I’ve bought a lot of physical media over the last couple of years and it can be great, but there’s a lot of pitfalls
The quality of, particularly, DVDs is all over the place and the transition from NTSC to digital is handled in so many different ways that each require special handling.
PAL and European releases can be terrible in all kinds of ways including speeding up the content and optionally pitch correcting the audio.
A lot of content you’d want isn’t available or is only available at exorbitant prices.
UHD discs have tons of read errors that make ripping perfectly difficult and the quality (and this price) of the drive makes a big difference in how well you can do this.
Drives don’t last if you’re ripping lots of stuff.
Just some things off the top of my head, nowhere near a complete list.
It’s still worth it, though, and new releases are easier if that’s what you’re looking for.
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yes, it was horrible. There's like 10 minutes of ads that you PAY for. Also corruption for scratches and fiddling with the player were painful
piracy is best
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this makes Greggs Turkington and the boys at the VFA very happy.
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Where is Plex on this image?
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Have you heard of our Lord and Saviour, Jellyfin?
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I have. It's not as good as Plex.
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This meme would be more accurate if you replace the girl he's with with Fat Bastard from Austin Powers feasting from a trough of IP.
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I like that Luffy life
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And you forgot the good'ol laserdisc 😰
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What's wrong with Curiosity?
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Does it require a subscription? If it does they will make it worse and worse as they try to squeeze out every last penny they can from it. Maybe not today or tomorrow but eventually. Or they'll close shop and you'll have nothing to show for it. Unless they let you download videos that are drm free . Which I doubt
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While some of the cited services have done some egregious stuff all on there own, I was taking it as mostly about how you have just so many of them and you have to keep track of what content is available via what service and how that changes over time.
Curiosity isn't part of the content shuffling part of it, but it is still a reminder of just how fractured the general experience is.
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For a second, I thought Curiosity had gone enshittified lol. I don't mind paying the subscription because they are what cable documentary channels used to be.
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Don't forget S-VHS, D-VHS, and HD-DVD...
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I think i have more Laserdiscs than Blu-rays
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What's the iPlayer done?
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Streamio
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There's at two problems with that: VHS tapes and CEDs both degrade with each playback session, and CEDs even can get damaged or destroyed if you store them incorrectly (no wonder that format flopped and brought down RCA with it, lol...), and LDs have Laser Rot to deal with which is sadly becoming more common as some discs which were pressed in certain plants age.
VHS/Beta tapes, CEDs, and LDs if there's any media that wasn't released outside of those formats should be archived in some way ASAP due to the fragile nature of all three formats.
(and I say 'fragile' although LDs in theory should last indefinitely due to the lack of physical contact with that format vs. CEDs being read by a stylus and VHS and beta being read by a spinning head drum, but as I said, Laser Rot is an increasingly big problem with them)
*CEDs are literally video on vinyl, something that someone at RCA had to have been tripping on something to come up with, and that it's a miracle that it even worked at all, given the inherent limitations of vinyl as a format.
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Nah, I have more room without bookshelves of physical media.
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VHS? No thanks!
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I don't really think men look back anymore nowadays
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DVD, Blueray, VHS? I've never heard of those torrent sites before 🏴☠️
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Missed opportunity IMO there should totally be a piracy product or site called VHS
Virtual Home Streaming
Sounds dangerous, you could get a problem with copyrights with a name like that.
they are what your torrents evolved from.
Because I'm uncreative, I'm just going to steal the joke from Sseth.
Because the vehicle in From Software's game, Elden Ring, is called "Torrent", I can't wait for the next From Soft character "Punjabi Codex Denuvo, pre-cracked Novirus [MeGusta]".
Have you heard of doing both? (_-)