Lock him up too

Guess I'll have to take all the Clinton flags off my f850 dually, take all the Clinton signs outta of my yard, and quit wearing my made in China Clinton hat. Hell, I might have to stop letting Bill fuck my wife.
- If you do that I'll have to close my store that sells nothing but Clinton related trinkets and such.
- Nobody under 47 years old has even had a chance to vote for Bill. Nobody gives a shit about that guy.
  
  He's the best option for the joke - Obama and Biden are more recent, but don't have a reputation for philandering, let alone for being sexual predators.
- What about your bill clinton nfts and his golden shoes and the beans that he sold from the oval office. Checkmate leftie
  
  Don’t forget your Clinton bibles!
- What am I supposed to do about my Bill tattoo?
  At least let me keep my Bill wifu pillow.
- Sadly, Bill doesn't just want to fuck your wife...

The left doesn't worship their politicians as the second coming of Jesus Christ son of God.
- And even if we did, Bill fucking Clinton isn't on the left
  
  And even if he WAS- Bill Clinton isn’t a fucking pedophile. An adulterer, a sleazy dude? Sure. But you’re not going to convince me that Bill Clinton is into children without some solid evidence.
- Oh yes they do. Lenin, Mao Zedong and (to a much lesser extent) AOC and Bernie.
  Rose tinted glasses fit on the heads of everyone.
  
  The difference between worship and respect is that one is earned and the other is not.
  If you worship someone you follow them unconditionally no matter what they do. They can openly brag about molesting women, they can get convicted felonies in 34 counts, they can make life hell for a large part of the population, and someone who worships that person will just lap it all up and follow right along.
  Contrary to that, respect can be lost quite quickly, as seen with a lot of people who were very popular with left-wingers. 10 years ago most leftwingers loved Musk. How many left-wingers do you see that still worship Musk and follow his every mood?
  Same holds true with every other person on the left who failed. They are gone in an instant.
  
  Nope. You can respect someone without worshiping them.
  I'm an anarchist so I wouldn't even go so far as to say I respect Mao.
  Do I think Bernie and AOC are better than most politicians? Of course. If I found out they were sexual predators I'd still say throw them in jail.
  
  Tankies. For the first two you're thinking of tankies. They're not leftists, they're commie-boos who simp for regimes they were lucky enough not to live through just because they're anti-US and have the same oppression kink as the right-wing trolls.
  
  If AOC and Bernie were on the list, Dems would still say lock them up. Dems don't care who is on the list, they want justice for it.
  Now Dems in Congress? That's a different story. MAGA wants everyone to go down, but would happy glare over every single time Trump is mentioned. And you know that.
  
  The subject is worship, or maybe even "deify", so no we fucking don't.
  I guarantee if Bernie/AOC did 1% of the things Trump does, their support would evaporate. I know I personally would support their primary challengers...
  
  Lenin, Mao Zedong
  No one in "the left" supports far right authorizations...
  The confusion may be you're not aware far right authoritarians lie constantly, especially about what they support and why they support it
  
  I previously voted republican and was raised in the fox news soup. Its cult worship behavior that forces them to worship their leader. Its a big part of why it's hard to move away from voting republican, they are all afraid of being cut out of the in group for disagreeing. None of that shit exists on the left, which is why they always argue about the basics.
  
  Not all leftists are the same, mate. For example, anarchists would love to kill the Bolsheviks. Bolsheviks would just love to kill everyone. Look at the history of Spanish Republicans during the Spanish Civil War, then tell me if they did not even shoot at each other at any point.
  
  LOL, no one in the US worships Lenin or Mao Zedong.
  The closest the left comes is with Bernie and that's only on the internet.
  
  This is some premium grade high quality delusion. Impressive stuff big dawg.
  
  Lenin
  The guy who wrote:
  "Leftwing communism, an infantile disorder."?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Left-Wing%22_Communism%3A_An_Infantile_Disorder?

It seems like most people have forgotten about this age-old classic:

Yeah, we (at least I) don't prop up shitty people to save face, just because they're on "my team" and I can't admit I messed up--like basically every MAGA applogist.

In fact we'd be absolutely delighted to filter all the oligarch class pedos out of politics. And yes, all means all. From all corners. Businessmen, politicians, faith leaders. All of them.

Oh no, not the other right wing dude who ran the country one time. Fuck

I feel this encompasses my political universe.
Trumpists: The Clintons are oligarch crooks! Arrest them!
Me: Nods eagerly.
Grads: The US is an imperialist menace! Shows horrific CIA ops.
Me: Mmm hm. Seems like us, yyep.
I'm a local ML enthusiast/tinker too, so:
AI Haters: Sam Altman is a tech bro con artist! ChatGPT is evil and melting our brains!
Me: Yep. Nods. Massive understatement, you have no idea.
Yet I feel binned as a Neolib, US Apologizer and AI Bro. Which I am not.
- You have grasped at the very least the most basic understanding of the concept of Nuance, that's how you're able to reason.
  Those fucks don't have any critical thinking skills.
  
  And scientific skepticism of one's 'tribe'.
  "Trump does no wrong; I trust him no matter what." "None of these communist government incidents are real, or matter." "All AI is offensive (or, the contrary, you're a luddite for not believing in AGI)."
  It's frustrating how absolute loyalty is such a cultural norm now, anything less is error. I even see it with some young folks really clinging to their favorite streamers.
  ...I think that clouds a lot of judgement even if people are good critical thinkers. In fact, I think I read some study on how critical thinking tests nosedive when the subject is one's own beliefs, and spike for the opposition.
- You see the thing is that you don't see this as a sport, a lot of other people treat it as such.
  I'm with you.
- They understand that they're being fucked over by those in power, but are completely blind to who's doing it the worst and worship them instead.
  
  See, you say this, but (with all due respect, as I get the perspective), you might vehemently disagree with me asserting that "boycotting AI is playing right into tech bro's hands."
  So yes I agree with the irony, but I also feel like nuance and sub-arguments (from my perspective) get drowned out, too. Not every single Democrat politician is an oligarch, the US has done some good abroad, and using ML as a FOSS tool you own and host is not necessarily bad.

Their angle is not "haha your guy will lose!" but had already shifted to "well your guy does it too so it's ok you can't accuse us of anything otherwise you're a dirty hypocrite "
- Which i always hate because he’s not “my guy”. He’s a politician that I voted for based on their policies. This isn’t a sports game.
  
  Joining a political "team" just forces you to accept the shit they get up to.
- I remember this with Elon Musk's Nazi salute back in January. Even if the images of other politicians "doing it" hadn't been taken grossly out of context, Musk still did it.
  
  Most of those are photos of a wave, which is what gets me. They say "Elon had a photo out of context just like these people!"
  And it's like "No...it's a video with the context very much kept and there are no illusions"

Hilarious that they think they "got us" with someone who was president a quarter century ago.
Democrats voted unanimously to release the files, Republicans voted to hide them. Explain that, MAGA.
- Actually, the dems weren't unanimous. I think there were two who voted present.
  
  voted present? Does that mean abstained?

"Drop your weapons! Or I kill the man."
"...Well, kill him, he's not our man."

The right considers Republican pedophiles good pedophiles, while the left considers all pedophiles vile. Enough of the double standards bullshit for the rich at the expense of children's lives.

The cult has always assumed that everyone's as bad as they are. That's why they do the things that they do.

Any real leftist would say put the both in jail.
- Well, investigate both. And if they're guilty (which seems likely for both) throw both in jail!
  Though to be fair, Dump himself should go to jail even without any Epstein revelations, he's done plenty else too
  
  Like try to take congress by force? Last time we did that it was a war crime. (Canadian)

If they are on the list, and we can prove the charges, lock them up! I don’t care if it’s the pope, Obama, or my own father. LOCK THEM UP.
- Yeah! Lock up father Stupidmanager!

Yes yes yes, some founding fathers have very questionable sex lives with young women, so now let’s see the files and maybe we will find one thing trump has in common with founding fathers?

Clinton was a neoliberal shitbag just like Reagan and HW Bush. I’m a prison abolitionist so just take every cent he has and give it to Epstein’s (and Clinton’s) victims. Let him die poor and hated.

At this point, I doubt even Hillary would defend that asshole if there's solid evidence he was involved.
Throw them all in a low security jail and let nature take its course.

Obviously, we don't really care about Bill Clinton, but I would like to bring up someone a lot of us will care about, and should still treat the same way.
Marvin Minsky was a pioneer in the AI field. He also had ties to Epstein. Now, you may not care about Minsky or AI (though I'll point out that the research field and what capitalism is doing with that research are very different things). But you might care about Richard Stallman, and he comes into this, too:
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/17/761718975/free-software-pioneer-quits-mit-over-his-comments-on-epstein-sex-trafficking-cas
The controversy swirling around him now stems from a series of emails from a CSAIL group email list--made public by Selam Jie Gano--in which Stallman said that a 17-year-old girl who allegedly was instructed by Epstein to have sex with AI pioneer Marvin Minsky likely seemed "entirely willing" to engage in the illegal act. He also argued it is unfair to call such an incident "sexual assault".
Stallman dropped out as president of the Free Software Foundation because of this.
Minsky himself died in 2016, but as far as I'm concerned, Stallman got exactly what he deserved. There's no evidence he was directly involved as far as I'm aware, but those are not acceptable comments to make, and he shows some deep misunderstandings of consent here.
- Even Stephen Hawking visiting Epstein island shouldn't stop the list being released.
  
  Why "even Stephan Hawking" lol
- i literally don't give a shit about either of them. if stallman diddles kids, he can go eat his foot fungus in jail with the rest of em. and the AI guy too.

I'm disturbed that you have drawn the honorable and really sexy Austin Powers into this.
- Is that you Ivana Humpalot?

I wanted to make an "A handshake B" meme about both sides hating pedophiles, but even devising in "A and B" feels bad.
All decent humans hate pedophiles
- All decent humans hate pedophiles
  There has been a recent wave of online influencers and their ilk suddenly talking about how being attracted to minors is "the most natural thing in the world for all men."
  Combine this with the recent push for removing child-labor laws and you really see what the right's values are.
  
  I am in no way a decent human and even I hate pedophiles.
- This might unfortunately make me sound like a pedophile.. but all decent humans don't hate pedophiles, they hate (child) sexual assaulters (is that a word?). All decent humans want pedophiles to get appropriate and effective help long before they act. Which would both reduce the number of harmed children and increase the number of functioning and (possibly) happy adults
  
  On all other things I would agree. In general, stigmatization causes lower administration rates w/ therapy and block effective help.
  But I draw the line at pedophiles. life sentence, shortened to 25 years after chemical castration and mandatory psychiatric evaluation
- Even criminals have thier limit

It's not left though. It's right and righter.

I don't think I've ever met anyone that actually likes a Clinton. Granted, I'm not from the US, but I'm counting online in this.
- Bill is why I realized politics was something to pay attention to.
  For kids who saw him go on MTV, play the sax, and actually listen to and answer questions from the youth, it was fucking huge. That any presidential candidate would address the youth got an entire generation to start paying attention.
  Then all the shit with Lewinsky I wasn't old enough to really understand, but I knew he lied under oath, and all the Dems closed ranks and protected him. And that was the first time I thought "both sides" were just fucking liars.
  So, long story short:
  That shit over 30 years paved the way for trump.
  If a Clinton had never held political office in America we'd be nowhere close to where we are today.
  Which is why it's so common for Dems today to not give a single fuck about Bill.
  He killed our party and set us down this path. Fuck him and every single politician from his neoliberal wing.
  
  I'm going to add a little nuance here, hopefully without opposing your point. Clinton was played like a fiddle by Newt Gingrich and his band of hucksters. He was the start of truly aggressive, unrelenting, "whatever it takes to win" republicanism in the modern era. They got wind of a sex scandal, and absolutely blew it up as the biggest thing to ever happen. They controlled the narrative and had all of America clutching its collective pearls. Then, they hauled him into one of these dog-and-pony-show hearings, and set the trap. Bill idiotically walked right into it, perjuring himself in what was really a useless stunt. This gave the Gingrich Gang all the ammo they needed to force an impeachment vote and destroy the Democratic Party for generations. So, it's not that Bill is singularly responsible for the current shit show, but his hubris and idiocy made the downfall possible.

Bill Clinton sucked as president.
- Got sucked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6rRz7sr2Nw

I hope nobody who made fun of Trump for posting that AI picture of him with a red lightsaber, upvoted the meme depicting Leftists as Dr Evil...
- Trump is an insecure man child and a clown for posting that AI lightsaber picture.
  Upvote
  Fuck him.

Is Vice President Vance on those lists? He probably isn't -- if for no other reason then because he's too young to have been there. Are we really looking forward to him being the president? That's what will happen if Trump gets removed, isn't it?
I don't know man, this sounds awfully lot like an attempt to divert US aid from Ukraine. Especially when this whole thing started exploding just when Trump decided to start supporting Ukraine.
- You’re cool with the rapist pedo being the president as long as Ukraine continues to get aid? Also, that aid should be determined by Congress.
- Pence wouldn't have lunch with a female unless his wife was also present. I know anyone could say that makes him even more likely, and it very well may be, but after all this time the man still has no skeletons. He's likely actually that religious.