Iran declares U.S. citizens, personnel 'legitimate targets' after strike on nuclear sites

there’s still time to get those numbers up

By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn't care when it wasn't just undesirables dying. Turns out we're able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand

tell that to all the civilians in Guantanamo and Gaza.

if the first aggressor doesn't give a fuck about rule of war, it can't complain about them

Americans have only ever pretended to care about non-combatants when it's convenient. President Obama even invented the term 'enemy combatant' so he could pretend his drone strikes were killing fewer civilians.

In the history of the world, it has only been a very short window during the late 20th/ early 21 st century that civilians were not considered fair game in war, although they get slaughtered anyway. Even with civilians being off limits, as recently as WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the Middle East, civilians have been targets either by design, by atrocity, or by proximity.

If there's a war, don't think you're getting off the hook just because you're a civilian. During war, the old adage "If your not with us, you're against us" becomes weaponized.

i mean true honest war does not have rules like that. the reason “rules of war” exist is so corporations can keep a labor pool and capital operating with minimal effect to profit. (“Ain’t no war but class war.”)

true honest realistic “war” is carpet bombs, famine, death, and capitulation.

stop expecting “war” to involve rules, you’ll only be surprised in the end.

Well, it used to be that they were too. Have you heard of all the cities in Europe that were effectively destroyed during WWII?

It comes and goes, usually whenever it's useful. It sucks, but war is horrible. If civilians don't want to be targets they should pressure their governments to not be in them. Yes, sometimes it's worth fighting, but sometimes it isn't.

He also can't. Proclamations of war are made by the legislature. (Congress). If the President sends troops in a supposed emergency they can go without legislative consent for 90 days and must be recalled at that time without the legislature's approval. It's stupid, because 90 days into a conflict we have troops on the ground and an immediate evacuation only hurts us economically and global appearance some worry about. Not to mention the troops lost/injured, casualties left with those attacked and Congress not agreeing to keep them there is an admission that it was wrong, so not paying restitution would hurt international relations as well.

To me it comes to, if he orders troops on the ground, an immediate Congressional impeachment would be needed, and the Senate to remove him, or they will vote in favor of staying in the fight to "save face" and not care how many innocent lives die or are thrown into poverty, starve, are raped, wrongly imprisoned, tortured, and the damages it will cause to the mental health of a whole new generation of our soilders and people of other counties around the world.

International laws have said you shouldn't since they were written, and not a single engagement has followed those laws. I disregard their existence as much as the people who enact war.

While I don't recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.

Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it's spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.

Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can't beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.

The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.

Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.

Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?

I don't think they will. We as a species still suffer from diseases where shit comes into contact with our mouth. If we can't solve fecal-oral diseases, any bioweapon you deploy will infect your own population. It's why we terminated our bioweapons program. It's about as discerning as chemical warfare. :P

On a related note, I'd fucking love bidets with dryers to be mandatory at all farms, hospitals, food handling facilities, markets, and restaurants. It would minimize the impact of fecal-oral diseases, especially with improper handwashing and food handling (eg, not wearing gloves).

Iran isn't known for it's cybersecurity divisions. Right wing states generally aren't good with technology. So I'm not worried about a cyber attack.

In fact, it's tough to say what Iran's military capacity is at all. We pelt them with drone strikes and long range missiles constantly and they seem like they can do nothing about it. We keep talking about all this enriched uranium they possess, but do they even possess the capacity to deliver the payload to our domestic soil before we thwart them?

They'll likely go after Israel first, so we'll soon see the extent of their armaments.

The stronger-than-ever Taliban?

Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans

I know. I have always wished for Bernie to be president but nothing I tried (and I tried) was enought to get my boy elected, nor my local Democrat (I live in a red state unfortunately).

I admit I failed to press the button that would have solved that

I did not, but yeah collectively we as a country did.

Fuck you, don't assume that shit on me. I voted, I volunteered on phone banks, I tried talking to whomever you listen on why this guy was a bad deal all the way back from 2015, and it was never for that walking piece of human excrement.

Typifying a nation state by to it's goals, rhetoric, and past actions is not antisemitic, but the government of Israel definitely wants you to conflate it as such.

Maybe, but how brutal was it when we went into Afghanistan? Who did we attack when we invaded Afghanistan? Who runs that country now? For all that effort we put into getting rid of Al-Qaeda, they seem to still be running things. If I were a religious zealot, where I think my terrorism gets me into heaven, sending a message to the west in such a terrorist attack might be worth it. After all, the religious leader there is like 80-something, so he might not mind sacrificing the few years he has left for a guaranteed entry into heaven.

The cynic in me is going to bet that the Trump administration already knows an attack is coming, and they will let it happen. It's an easy reason to implement martial law. Then, with the ongoing emergency he'll always somehow manage to have manifest when people try to get him to give up power, he'll let the Iranians attack. Then, another emergency is declared.

Lol... work brain seeped through. Pump those numbers up!