4w ago

Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

www.timesofisrael.com

Just a moment...

The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

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4w ago

Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

www.timesofisrael.com /liveblog_entry/operation-narnia-irans-nuclear-scientists-reportedly-killed-simultaneously-using-special-weapon/

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4w ago

Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

www.timesofisrael.com /liveblog_entry/operation-narnia-irans-nuclear-scientists-reportedly-killed-simultaneously-using-special-weapon/

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How is this all normal and ok?
- It's not normal. It's ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.
  
  Can someone try blowing up their servers? That'd be nice.
  
  More than just America need to stand against Israel.
  
  i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.
  
  Who's Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I'm asking for the general scoop.
- The rogue state of Israel has immunity from the US and its satellites.
- It's absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it's the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I'm not sure if anything even can be done anymore...
  
  There's always something.
  
  Don't worry. "Laws" are being enforced all the time. It's just not the ones that you imagine.
- It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.
  It is not and never has been ok.
- they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.
- It is not.
- https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12587#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+State+Department+assesses+that%2Cvia+its+governance+of+Gaza.
- Just listen to NPR. It's all good!!! smh.
- And everyone in their family, building, and general vicinity, and anyone in that 10% of targets who are misidentified by Palantir's predictive policing/facial recognition tech apparently?
- It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what's normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.
  
  The US gave Israel, an evil state, nuclear weapons. By your logic...
- All's fair in love and war.
- Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
  
  No it doesn't.
  
  Why not, "and genocide is wrong in both cases," rather than, "and thus they're both okay?"
  
  Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.

Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel's current actions say this wasn't a simple "what if..." contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
- This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
  They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
  I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.
  
  It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
  
  I hate that USA is enabling them,
  USA is just as guilty as the genocidal cult, perhaps even more so. Somehow I have more sympathy for the brainwashed than the profiteering.
  
  There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can't never make mistakes bs.
  Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn't mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
- Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
  
  I strongly recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappe. He describes well how Israels society has deep internal rifts as the narrative of Zionism ultimately failed to build a cohesive society.
  So ultimately Israel needs the eternal war for two main reasons:
  To keep the support by its western lapdogs up, by presenting itself as the eternal victim under war.
  To keep the internal pressure contained by the necessity to hold together because of war.
  See for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo
- I mean, that's not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran's nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they're tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
  The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout. And obviously killing civilians, which the scientists and their families are, but obviously Israel has shown in the past they don't care about that.
  
  Every military makes plans for any contingency,
  In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.
  If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.
  
  netanyahu is using the aggression as a way to stave off his own criminal trials prior to him being re-elected.
- Have you never heard of zionism? This has been the plan for over a century.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
  https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/
  
  Yeah it's not that Israel is planning this, it's that this is the plan of Israel the whole thing is this plan.
- They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
- November, you say? I wonder what happened in November that caused Netanyahu to be emboldened to the point of planning Iranian assassinations...
- o no! israel thwarted iran's nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!
  
  It's civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
  You're part of the problem.
  
  I'm sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd's
  
  Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.

Think about this when you see politicians trying to pass absurd laws like banning all regulation of AI. AI is a cover to remove any last semblance of accountability for atrocious and illegal activities
- Exactly. There need to be rules that make people responsible for decisions made by software.
- Politicians attempting to ban AI regulation are only shielding OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, etc. Those same politicians will pearl clutch about Hugging Face or DeepSeek in the same breath. It's just about money and the arms race. Abdicating responsibility to AI would require either a change in how we regulate people or a granting of rights/responsibility to AI. Though I don't doubt we will see people try to blame AI for their poor decisions.

Anyone who gets uncomfortable with government surveillance because it could be used to target certain demographics of people needs to look no further than what Israel has done to prove their point.
The only thing stopping the world from autonomously targeting people by online demographic is common human decency, and humanity is running on very short supply of that these days.
- But that is their dream for the future. Purely automatically managing the populace as some sort of a farm.
  It's an arms race. Like at any other point in history. Between those who think personal dignity and freedom and equality are a mistake of history or a device to keep the herd patient, and that they deserve to rule, and those who don't.
  The good part is that this has already been tried. A fast system with deadlocks is not that different from a slow system with deadlocks. And a big redundant system deterministically degrading in itself is not that different from a smaller less redundant system deterministically degrading in itself. No USSR and no Nazi Germany anymore on the map.
  The parts about lying and false pretense of law and democracy are new, but not too much - rulers of Frederic the Great's time had false pretenses of knightly behavior and following imperial mechanisms. One can even compare 30 years war to our two world wars in the sense of creating a new world order, which was considered impossible to change due to endless horrors following that, but eventually become a farce.

Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my "Bush did 9/11" moment)
- No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
  
  I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
  Edit: I stand corrected.

This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don't know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not "ok". I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this...
- Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
  And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
  Alex Karp's biography makes it pretty clear he's trying to spin this shit as every American's patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that's something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
- Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?
  
  Yeah, that's cool.
  Well I guess my opinion is that it's essentially never "legitimate" to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?
  In this case, I'm sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn't crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.
- state terror
  Yeah, the 'protocols of the elders of zion' larpers dont do anything else
  need to stop
  I think it's a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
  We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
  
  I think it's a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
  I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we'd see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.
  The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
  And this part, you're saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can't think of any other solutions, then please, don't be part of the solution.
- Man up
  Fuck off. You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.

I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
- There is no "international authority". It's all big stick politics out there. It's like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The "punishments" when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
  Think about your boss shorting you $100. The "legal" process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
  Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you're cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
  It's even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it's broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That's not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
  The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It's a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
  
  It's like that saying goes: "The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge."
  
  Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it's broken.
  I bet this guy knows how to play Mario Kart.
- There's a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
- You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
  Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
- You have been playing too much rainbow six. There are no good guys in the halls of power looking after us.
  There are only the rich fucks over here and the rich fucks over there pulling the levers of power.
- Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.
- This isn't how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
  
  The alternative is “drop bombs”.
  Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.
- Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.
  Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.
  
  Isreal is a terrorist state, the US is a terrorist state. Assasinating people or blowing them up on their way to work is terror. Blowing up pagers in homes while a child is bring it to daddy is terrorism.
  
  Terrorism is internationally recognized as when a group or organization unaffiliated with a recognized government uses violence to achieve a political goal. "Terrorist state" is a contradiction in terms.
  Netanyahu is leading a genocide and starting wars, all to avoid the regular democratic and legal process of Israel. Why are you carrying water for him?

what a stupid fucking name
why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
why does no one ask question 2
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
  
  Why not?
  Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn't agree with collectivist ideology.
  Why would it be different for them?
- Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
  Because once you have them, who's going to try to take them away?
  
  In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
  
  yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn't think so.
  
  See Budapest Memorandum
- Because you don't wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
- Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?

They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
- As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right

Few things say "you need a nuke, you need it right now" like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night
- One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.
  
  I don't agree with Israel at all. But Iran is a theocratic ethnostate as well. One that has pretty loudly proclaimed that the day they have nuclear weapons is the day before they use one on Israel. There's nobody out there who's in a morally high position.
  
  The other is the world's biggest bully and largest exporter of "freedom", as seen in Lybia, Iraq and even Iran back in the 1950s

Funny how precise they can be when they want to be.
- It's guaranteed the number of bystanders that were killed while they killed these "targets" is not zero.
  
  Bet it isn’t a refugee camp sized amount nor an entire city blocks worth though.

israel and the us all deserve the nuremberg treatment for their crimes
- The Nuremberg trials were a media propaganda circus.
  Exactly SIX nazis got the death penalty.
  The US/UK did everything they could to help the fascists escape and save them from the Soviets, rehabilitate them and keep their power.
  
  I agree with the spirit of your comment. Germany lost, fascism won. But as far as I can see there were close to 40 death sentences out of 160 convictions. Where are you getting your data?
  
  Absolute and complete bullshit.

ok if there are actual Jewish space lasers I'm fucking done with this reality.
- Those are American drones from Palantir.
- I bet it was those missiles with the swords that pop out the side.
- I don't know how we got from exploding pagers to space lasers.
- they arnt getting the ion cannon network.
- Wait where does it say that specifically?
  
  It was a joke. The weapon used by Israel is secret. Jewish space lasers is a reference to an idiotic tweet by Marjorie Taylor Greene that suggested that the 2018 California wildfires were started by some global conspiracy group with an "energy-based" space weapon. The user you replied to is saying they're going to be upset if it turns out Israel actually does have space lasers.
  
  It doesn't

I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It's probably a lot more than 0.
- or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.
- Proof?
  
  I don't think there's proof yet, but Isreal has shown zero qualms about killing innocent civilians.
  
  What do you need proof of? The fact that the comment is speculating? It's not stated as fact...

Marking people for assassination looks normal to the times of Israel. Nice people.
- Evil state? Which one are you referring to?

Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
- It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly "made legal", but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.
  It's always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.
  Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn't actually exist at all.
  
  I'm surprised there aren't more high level assassinations.
  
  I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a "worse way" to do warfare, but that doesn't move the needle on how bad it is to say: "Welp, there's a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don't like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping."
- When they're not european.
- Since you're just larping your fav book when you do it
- Civilian nuclear scientists working in enrichment are not protected by the Geneva convention. Technically it is legal to kill them when engaged in warfare.
  
  Has Israel officially declared war on Iran? Apart from that, why aren't they protected by the Geneva convention?

10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when he went full villain.
- They aren't innocent, they are knowingly creating a devastating weapon of mass destruction for a regime who has declared that they intend to use it. While I don't support this sort of unprovoked attack, I can't get too worked up over the demise of literally mad scientists.
  
  I too find Boeing engineers and other factory workers valid targets for murder. Nice finding a fellow.

Let me fix the headline - Israel commits more state sponsored terrorist attacks in neighbouring countries.

Times of Israel
Should be called Crimes of Israel

It's time to stop believing the lies of Israel's might.
They assassinated people in Tehran, they don't have a special weapon that killed all of them simultaneously. The same lies about "special systems" like the iron dome being impenetrable has been their tactic to ensure pressure on their states.
- Special systems = indiscriminate bombing of residential building at night to maximize civilians murdered

Jesus they killed everyone in the apartment complex including their kids how is this not a war crime?!?
- Under the rules of war, no. The rules of war does not consider civilians casualties a crime if they happen while targeting military or military support, like weapons manufacturing.
  If it were, then you could just fire missiles at your enemies from the tops of apartment buildings and they couldn't do anything about it. Yeah Hamas did do that and did make claims of war crimes whenever they got hit, but not actually a war crime. Because if it were it would encourage every military in the world to use human shields and every war becomes as horrible as the war in Gaza.
  
  What did we say about based takes on Lemmy?
- From my reading of the article, that was a hypothetical. Not to say it hasn't happened multiple times but I'm pretty sure that "may" was doing some heavy lifting.
- Where did it say that? Are you creating outrage just for the sake of outrage? What's the benefit?

The only difference between Israel and a terrorist organization is PR and budget.
- And religion. Quite some Christians love Israel, no matter what, because the Bible. Yes, it's a fantastic argument. And as long as the victims are muslims, they'll support Israel. If you're not disgusted by the wars in the old testament, why would you in present day?

What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!
- because the ultra wealthy can't cook, can't produce the stuff needed to cook, can't build super cars or private jets or build mansions, they can't make the latest high tech gadgets, they can't produce the most stylish of clothes or expensive watches. That's why they keep us around. They need us plebs to make them stuff and produce their wealth to purchase the shit we make.
  
  This why they are so obsessed with AI. When AI can do whatever they want, the rest of us will be exterminated like pests.
- The rich are only rich because the money they possess can be exchanged directly or indirectly for people's labour. Without it, the money is valueless and the rich cease to be. It's also one reason why labour strikes are so effective and the rich have had to create militias to prevent them.
  
  You miss the point. If they get AI to the point where it can replicate our work "well enough", it won't need to even be intelligent or invent new things.
  They won't need to care about money, if they get to the point where AI produces and maintains everything for them.
- The ratio of poor to ultra wealthy is far greater than a million to one. Other than that, the only practical reason they have for not doing it is that they still need human labor for most of what they do. That isn't going to change anytime soon, despite AI. However, they don't need their labor force to be free or happy, which is why the US is on the cusp of a fascist takeover.
  The rule of law has largely stopped mattering to the ultra wealthy. It may occasionally inconvenience them, but they know it will never affect them in any personal way.
  Not all of the ultra wealthy are socipaths. Unfortunately, terminal-stage capitalism does a surprisingly good job of selecting for sociopathy at the very top of the hierarchy. Becoming that rich requires both a strong belief that you deserve it and a disregard for how acquiring it harms others.
  
  One weird thing I noticed is the children inheriting the welth also tend to be psycho. Perhaps having everything you need destroys empathy?
- Because drones are expensive, and it would be a waste of money to use them on poor people.
- Why would they do that? Then there'd be noone to work the mines...
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
  the rate at which i've been referencing slaughterbots has steadily been increasing...
- Why would anyone do this? Why wouldn't the normal legal process supported by all the rest of the rich bozos stop the one Uber rich psycho.
  Why would anyone not notice a million terminators being made before they were unleashed?
  
  I believe they were sarcastic, their name is listed as worldsdumbestman
- Then who would they lord over and whose hard work would they make their money off of, on the other hand using these threats to bring back slavery feels like the scarier future to me
  
  We in the USA are telling farmers that they won't deport their labor if they are accountable to them. They can very easily have those who defect or resist in any way deported to concentration camps. They can also be imprisoned for trying to slip over the border the other way.
  
  They can have a large zoo
- Pretty much this and the answer is nothing. This is the world we have created where people are murdered just because. We are the ultimate terrorist.
- Are you just like that by default or are you just missing your daily pills?
  Maybe stop projecting your inner traumas towards the world, and get help. Can't be possible to live a healthy life with that mindset

- They are targeting anyone with a degree in nuclear physics. Someone posted that his colleague was killed and they had nothing to do with the enrichment program. It's murder.
  
  So no proof then? Complete bullshit, man
  
  Who is someone? What is the proof of the murder?
- That, or perhaps high ranking Iranian general.
  
  I dunno, I'm sticking with crab fishing in the Arctic
- Logging, fishing, hunters, steel, mining and roofing workers are the most high risk professions in all the planet
  About 92% of the fatalities are men, about 2 men die per hour just by working on the more dangerous professions in the whole world
  🫡
  
  Proof?

What is the endgame here? They certainly can't be delusional enough to assume that killing civilians or bombing facilities will ingratiate them with the Iranian people to overthrow the government or even making the government surrender; how many more people will they radicalize through this process? How many more lives do they want to destroy? When will the middle east have peace?
- I have gotten cynical to the point of assuming the "endgame" here is properly kicking off WW3, so that Trump gets an excuse to drop a nuke or two on an adversary.
  "The last time we had a world war, we won it! We were the best - and we won it with our nukes, our big beautiful nukes - it's really a shame we haven't used them since, don't you think? We ended the war by dropping 2 on Japan, and now Japan is our best friend. Why don't we drop some nukes on Iran? Don't we want them to be our friend?"
  
  Or the evangelicals in Trump's ear are trying to bring about the end of the world to kick off the rapture or some goofy ass psycho shit.
  
  Also, wasn't Trump the reason the largest non-nuclear bomb in the USA arsenal was first used in combat? The bomb that had never been deployed in the almost 15 years since it's creation specifically because the US military thought it would create too many civilian casualties?
  The same Trump that allegedly wanted to nuke hurricanes to disrupt them before they hit the US's coast?
  The dude just wants to play with the shiny toys and see things go "boom". He has literally stated to his own biographer that
  When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I'm basically the same. The temperament is not that different."
  (source: The Week)
  I suppose it suits him just fine that Israel is now flirting with open warfare with their neighbors.
- Well, I think Israel are horrible villains here, but I also think Iran might be a lot better off without the theocratic regime and with disarmed warfare capabilities. In a more ideal world, Iran would de-escelate and make amiccable relations with the west to avoid any future conflicts. In the world we actually live in, Israel is probably hankering for a hunk of that pie and will expand their borders.

Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea
- But oh so lucrative, and with a catchy phrase...
  I see moneybags in this idea, wonder who will first make it a reality...

Murdered. Not killed, murdered.
Both technically true, but the way they write killed suggests it wasn't murder in cold blood, an act of war against another country to bully and control them.
Murder.
- I think assassinated is the appropriate term here as it's politically motivated.
- the word "kill" is typically used in regards to warfare, not murder, so I'm not sure why you would say in this instance that it was written as though it wasn't an act of war.

Wait these genocidal idiots really called it "Operation Narnia"?
wtf
vomits on ground
This would be disgusting if it was just a normal act of war, of killing soldiers and calling it a cute name like this to disguise how any war is a tragedy, but there is a much more serious red flag here about Israel and Israeli society, this shows a blatant disregard for the humanity of these SCIENTISTS by assassinating them and making a joke out of it about sending them to dream land. Not only is this murder, the motive is a blatant lie, Iran was not developing a nuclear weapon that is undeniable and unarguable based on the overwhelming evidence.
If you still think that Israel and the US aren't coming for science, freedom of thought and peace in general you are a fool. I live in the heart of this dying empire, the US, and let me tell you, they are coming for you if you are a scientist, run or fight, either is fine but pick one soon before it is too late.
- Meanwhile Iran is always promising to ethnically cleanse Jews from the Middle East constantly chanting "death to Israel" and they call what they do "Operation True Promise" when targeting civilian population centers while saying to Israeli civilians "Either you must choose 'gradual death' in hellish life in shelters or save your lives from the 24-hour missile rain and flee as soon as possible from the lands usurped by your ancestors, so that you may survive." I guess that's a sign of a healthy society?
  There's also Operation Rising Lion. Iran's flag used to have a Lion on it. Israel doesn't seem to want to destroy Iran unlike Iran's "True Promise" to wipe Israel off the map. But you can take "Rising Lion" to mean they want Iran to rise from being a country run by authoritarian religious nutjobs.
  
  These are some really wild and generalizing claims about Iran and Iranian people and honestly you should be ashamed of yourself.
  As someone on the left in the US I want to make it clear I think you are behaving in a pathetic way and yet I would never draw conclusions about Israelis or Israel the way you just casually did about Iranians even though Israel is committing a Genocide Of Palestinians. There are many Iranians with a wide variety of views on Israel, but no.. they do not desire a genocide of Israelis the way Israelis desire a genocide of Palestinians that is the ugly truth and yet even as I perceive it I know there is nothing inherent to Israelis that makes them incapable of seeing the humanity of Palestinians because I know all too well how easy it is to fall into the same awful mindset as someone from the US.
  This is ALL a choice about how we flatten other groups into simple narratives. The most important thing about leftism to me is never forgetting that.
  I come from a war-like society, I can respect the call to war when it is done out of a genuine desire to defend what you hold dear, Israel's call to war is not a call to war it is a call to genocide and it reimagines the atrocities of US colonization reflected and reanimated into a modern middle eastern conflict. I will not stand for it, I will resist the dehumanization of all people, Iranians, Palestinians, Israelis, Muslisms, Jews... we are people alike.
  Also there is NO evidence that Iran has been pursuing producing a nuclear weapon for.. decades?

Surely this will work wonders, they'll never recover from this. Also they won't have any incentive, because why would you even consider building a bomb in such a friendly environment? Why would there need to be an axis of resistance, let them surrender unconditionally like Trump suggested, because clearly Israel and the US are to be trusted. If only these damned Iranians remained at the negotiating table while we bombed the shit out of them unprovoked. I guess they don't want peace. /s
- And don't forget the US will again get to decide to arbitrarily discard any nuclear agreements, which is of course another great incentive for Iran to not start a military nuclear program.

How can people be so fucking stupid as to keep their key personnel vulnerable like that?
- How can people be so fucking stupid as to believe a pissrahelli source.
  They lie when they open their mouth
- I mean it hadn't happened before so it is understandable
  
  Hey don't worry about Mossad and the USA, just close your curtains tonight in the house you've lived in for 40 years. You'll be fine.
- There are very few habitable places in the world not susceptible to airstrikes. The bombs dropped on nuclear facilities last night are claimed to be able to penetrate 60 meters of earth before exploding.
- Incompetence is the hallmark of the mullahs' regime
  
  Then how are they a threat?
- Oh are they also bombing refugees that they themselves created? My goodness, someone should stop that!
  
  jeez you're a racist scumbag POS.
  
  As opposed to the upper limit of morality and ethics of those who are carrying out the unprovoked attacks?
  
  one racist statement to gaslight the forum
  no further replies
  "the troll left his calling card"
  "it says pussy"

When Gandalf learns that Saruman is using one of the Lost Seeing Stones, his first instinct is mistrust and suspicion.
- Thiel is totally obsessed with lotr, but with a warped sense of what they represent. he also named companies after mithril, lembas, anduril,,,etc.

The weapon: 💣

Drone fired rounds? Creepy as fuck.

Cell phones exploding?
- My bet is on small assassination drone. People like having windows in their bedroom. Small drone flies to house, has some mechanism to break window, then blows up once inside the bedroom.
  I bet it’s unpublished not because its technology of any particularly impressive degree. Its unpublished because everyday people could easily design the same thing with enough minor technical expertise. They train cadets at West Point to build this exact type of shit out of consumer goods for a reason
  
  Could also be unpublished because the method was absolutly inhumane.
- I'm guessing it's witheld from publication because they are explicit US tech (eg Predator drones) that has been used to strike whole apartment buildings just to take out (possibly, if the intel is even correct) one scientist. Would look really bad when the US is still pretending they're not really part of the conflict.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon
  https://www.wired.com/2009/11/israelis-want-a-pain-ray-of-their-own/
  https://www.theregister.com/2010/08/24/pain_ray_la_county_jail/

Where’s Daddy? wtf

Narnia? What an odd name. What did they kill them with, a lion or a wardrobe?
- The Lyin' removed and the War Globe.
- I think the name schemes were themed around fantasy fiction because that is what the AI produces and therefor its outputs need to be vetted properly.

Special weapon won't save them in a long war with Iran. Which is why they want US involvement

The Zola algorithm is real

I guess this is what they meant by they had something planned whether the US bombed Fordow or not

Could you please kill the leaders instead? Of Israel too?
- The country is funded by a supermacist colonial ideology. The population need to be dezionified and other country should do their obligations in stoping a genocidal state

Sounds like propaganda, based on the source
- It sounds nearly identical to the program Time said Palantir was using in Israel in December 2024 to help track Hamas
  “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity.
  Except if they just come right out and say that, it becomes more difficult to deny the U.S. is already directly involved. Especially since they just gave members of Palantir positions in the U.S. military
  
  No one cares about whether or not they use a dashboard to track signals intelligence data. The interesting part of this story is the unpublished assassination weapon, not how they selected targets.

I generally don’t believe Iran was on its way to building nuclear weapons, only nuclear energy. But, if we were to entertain for a moment the notion that they were, this is all pretty badass no?
But, since it’s not the case this whole thing is frightening. Israel is a terrorist state and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.

www.timesofisrael.com LOL

- I don't think that anybody should have nuclear weapons. Do you support assassinating scientists?
- Absolutely. It is crystal fucking clear that Iran will never be safe until it has nuclear deterrence.
- Comments going for Israel - so you agree that Israel should have nuclear weapons?
  Bomb Israel, don't let those Nazi's have nukes.
- It's the only rational course of action we have left for them. They would be insane not to try. I don't know if they will succeed. Mosad seems all powerful, but they will certainly try.
- Only because genocidal zionazi supremacists control the us, and by extension g7+nato, Iran should not pursue nuclear energy, because Israel would always accuse them of pursuing more. There is no economic value for nuclear energy. Solar + batteries much more effective.
  Still, negotiations to that end are far more human. I wouldn't want you to have nuclear weapons, but killing you should have a better reason Than my supremacy.

Literally rip BOZO

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