Both Sides SaMe!!

Biden had one (1) job. And that was to save the union from fascism. He misunderstood, appointed Merrick Fucking Sit On His Hands Garland because of vibes or some shit, and then fucked around. Now we are all finding out what it is like to live under fascism. Thanks Biden!
- Yeah. Fuck him.
  Insofar as the president is, by nature, a flawed and pressured human being, I generally try to make allowances for poor decision-making, outdated thinking, and political maneuvering (requiring even speech to be measured and often untruthful about intent or feeling - if not outright lies about the facts) both around the electorate and elected officials. It would be unfair to expect miracles of even the best men, much less mediocre compromise candidates of the sort which generally succeed in American politics.
  But Biden made a series of unforced errors, and by what became increasingly obvious as immense hubris rather than simple miscalculation. He very well may have lost American democracy (or what amount of democracy we had) to a fascist demagogue, and a remarkably stupid and incoherent fascist demagogue even by the already-low-standards of that job, and it's very conceivable that even unfucking ONE of Biden's many mistakes could have made all the difference in preventing that cretin, considering the closeness of the election.
  Fuck Biden. His name is mud.
- Garland would have been on the Supreme Court if not for Trump, it was thought Garland would come after Trump for revenge over it...
  Lol no
- I'm pretty sure they wanted Trump to run again because they still, for some ungodly reason, thought they'd have an easy win against him in 2024.

Don't forget:
1-Enabled genocide against increasing opposition from his base. 2-Didn't go after Trump for treason. 3-Didn't go after price gouging, giving Trump a massive gift for his campaign. 4-Refused to step down despite clearly being unfit for a second term.
Biden did have a fair number of accomplishments during his term, but each one of these failures outweighs all of them combined.
- 3-Didn’t go after price gouging, giving Trump a massive gift for his campaign.
  I agree with your other points, including the fact that he lost the fucking Republic to fascism through his deeds resulting in his overall legacy being an abject fucking failure, but the tools by which the president could, even purely theoretically, go after price gouging are extremely limited. And political concerns with the ever-fickle and reactionary US electorate would make direct presidential action even of that limited sort of questionable wisdom even for a presidency as motivated on the issue as one headed by Sanders or Warren (assuming the makeup of the rest of the government remained roughly the same).
  
  I agree, though I'm starting to think that we're being and limited by our own minds here a little. Look at how much raw power Republicans are exerting now, to much more evil ends, and they're fine doing it. I think if Dems actually grew a spine, many would follow. A reactionary electorate can go both ways, since it's mainly acting on vibes/spite/etc. Most believe nothing ever happens anyway, which is why they tell you to relax when the MAGA breaks key institutions. So I think some direct presidential action in a good direction would be good. Let the pundits scream all they want, they'll call him a communist baby eater anyway.
  PS: I hope that was coherent, I didn't proof read it and I haven't had my coffee yet.
- I don't know if two is exactly Fair. I would say more importantly that that he appointed Merrick Garland a fucking useless milk toast. That Garland didn't go after Trump. I'm okay with the president not personally conducting investigations and trials.
  
  lol it’s milquetoast and that gives me hope for Lemmy not being entirely populated by bots right at this moment
  
  Eh, same difference. I very much doubt he appointed Garland without knowing exactly what he'd do (or, more accurately, not do).
- Liberal voters liked Biden so much the emulated him by doing nothing to stop Trump.
- when everyone is price gouging and the high prices stick, that's inflation, which Biden did go after.

Too bad Biden will be remembered for his greed and wanting a second term just to doom us to Trump's second term. All the good he did will be wiped out over the next 4 years.
- his greed and wanting a second term just to
  No. Jesus Christ this gets old.
  Find out the last time an incumbent swapped their candidate.
  Find the 3 times before that too.
  Notice a trend.
  Come back and revise your statement.
  Go fucking learn.
  
  Did you read this? His mental faculties were very clearly failing him during his term. Obviously, he could not have remained in office for 4 more years: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/may/25/original-sin-joe-biden-book-review
  
  The majority of voters understood his first run at his ancient age was as a one term president. He was a trash candidate, but that made it bearable. He flipped on that and possibly lost us the union
  
  Go look at the polls. Every poll showed "undeclared democrat" crushing it. Biden polled the worst and Harris polled the second worst. Maybe you should go learn.
  
  Does that trend take into consideration the incumbent being highly unpopular and in clear cognitive decline? Does it take into account polling showing that the incumbant was going to lose by a massive margin?
  
  “Go learn” he says while being aggressively wrong. Jesus Christ man hahaha

As usual, mass propaganda turns the world black and white, and divides people exactly into two groups to make sure they never unite.
By the way, you can acknowledge that both sides are made up of the worst scum human history has ever seen and vote for the "lesser evil" at the same time! You don't have to, and you probably shouldn't let your vote influence your entire personality and/or belief system.
- Both sides can't be "the worst" if one is "the lesser evil".
  
  If it's not your first language it's confusing, try interpreting "the worst" as "evil".
  The most evil scum human history has seen
  Makes perfect sense
  Both sides can't be "evil" if one is "the lesser evil".
  Doesn't make sense.
  Hope that helps!
- at best is dark gray and black. there aren't any acceptable candidates. no one is perfect, but come on. how hard is it not to have neoliberal war criminals?

Post this on Facebook and watch your account get banned.

Ironic since all of those bills were heavily cut down to gain "bipartisan" support and then Republicans still refused to vote for them, classic Democrat move. Kinda like how he gave up the race to Trump and then went on a photo tour with him like they're buddies (which is pretty massive evidence for the Uniparty theory imo).
- Ironic since all of those bills were heavily cut down to gain “bipartisan” support and then Republicans still refused to vote for them, classic Democrat move.
  They were heavily cut down to gain the support of 'moderate' Dems whose support to pass them was literally indispensable. The Senate was literally at 50-50 for the first two years, and 51-49 for the next two.
- Yeah, working together is a totally classic Democrat move. Got 'em.
  
  Which policy do you think we should work together with Republicans on?

So there's two factors that gave Trump (barely) the election (all the battleground states were narrowly chosen)
One, I speculate and no one seems to be addressing, is the trillion-dollar far-right propaganda machine. FOX News, OANN, Michael Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan and so on. It's continuously pumping content out to the population telling them that liberals are all communists and women should all be tradwives. Also that everyone nonwhite or poor is a leech on the economy.
The other is the King Log vs. King Stork thing. In those industrialized nations where the left-side party is neoliberal (preserves the status quo), the far right parties get strong support. It was happening across Europe around when Trump got elected, though there's been a left-side push-back since, possibly due to Trump providing a visible example of who they don't want in office. Canada's economist / banker PM was elected due to Trump, we are pretty sure.
Biden was as right wing as they come in the Democratic party, and for 2020 the party's principals (who get their own votes) chose him, deciding that everyone else was too socialist for them. Biden was Biden (that is, an establishment neoliberal, with some efforts to appeal to the public. And then in 2024 he pulled out of the race, and Harris took over and in the last few months of campaigning appealed to less-nazi Republicans, which alienated her base.
The election was won by MAGA disciples voting only top ballot (for Trump and nothing else) and lost by low-information Democrats who weren't motivated or decided to send a message by failing to show.
Regardless, figuring out how he won is more important than figuring out how to get rid of him, because even if he dies, the GOP is going to church out Secret Hitler after Secret Hitler, and the Democratic party, determined not to go left, is going to fall into irrelevance, just before they are imprisoned / killed as political enemies.
- lost by low-information Democrats
  
  Seventy-seven million people voted to unperson huge demographics of Americans which has included both legal aliens and American citizens, which is a breach of the social contract.
  So yeah, the voters were wrong. Now we're trying to figure out why, and whether the human species is just doomed to stratified societies and extinction through industrial pollution.
- Don't forget about the efforts to disenfranchise voters. Registered voter roll purges. Threats against their physical safety. Bomb threats. Closing of polling locations in blue districts. Overwhelmingly long lines in blue districts. Probationary ballots. Signature verification.
  FFS it took me 6 months to renew my DL in a red state. The minute I got fed up with it and drove two hours to the middle of no where I was able to renew that same day. The voter disenfranchisement is real and intentional.
  
  The GOP effectively purged almost 5 million votes from the voter rolls.
  Look how many votes trump won by.
- TIL I learned about King Log vs. King Stork / Heron / Snake

Meh.
IMO, the problem is that Dems aren't focusing on the economy in the correct way. Yeah, Biden did some good things. But you've still got massive wealth inequality, high rents and home prices, venture capital firms buying up small companies and jacking prices way the fuck up, executives raking in huge profits and salaries while laying off workers, etc. Dems keep saying, "the economy is great!" while working class people--the vast middle class in the US, which includes mid-level white collar jobs--are feeling like they're working hard for less. Ever since the crash in '08, jobs have been less stable, and people have been turning to gig work to make ends meet, or to have anything extra in their budgets. Sanders is the only left-leaning politician that's really banging on that drum.
Dems used to be out there running for good jobs for hard working people, work with dignity that you could live on. But they've been ignoring their roots for the last 40 years, and have been bought and sold by corporate America. The liberlization/globalization of the economy [EDIT] has largely been a disaster for working-class people, as they've been forced to compete against lower-wage workers, while the capitalist class gets even larger profits. (OOH, the liberalization of America's trade policies has resulted in millions of people outside of the US being able to live in something other than grinding, abject poverty.)
In addition to that, Biden's debate performance was a fucking disaster, and made it very, very clear to everyone that he was absolutely not fit to be president. Harris should have put some distance between herself and Biden, but she couldn't, or wouldn't; she was suggesting that we continue the same policies that are squeezing the working class, rather than calling for systemic reform.
Meanwhile, Trump was promising that he'd make foreign companies pay, and that he'd bring good jobs back. If you're a low-information voter that doesn't understand how tariffs work, and don't think about the logistics of bringing all the manufacturing back, then this sound great.
Meanwhile, you've got the whole right wing media machine telling people--mostly men--that they're right to feel screwed. And yeah, they are. It's just that it's not 'libs', women, typical immigrants, etc.; it's corporate profiteering, trade globalization, the loss of power from unions, importing highly-skilled labor to displace higher-paid American workers (e.g., H1-B abuse), outsourcing everything, etc.
If Dems want to win, they need to get serious about good jobs that pay a living wage for middle America, putting a choke-chain on corporate profiteering, and rebuilding the power of labor.
- They won't; sponsored by the big capital, they are not capable of providing a large systemic change without losing the platform to speak on.
  The issue is systemic, and Dems are not fit to solve it. Third party, funded by the regular people, is the only way forward.
  
  They won’t; sponsored by the big capital
  Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't get away from it. Sanders managed to run very strong presidential primary campaigns, twice, and almost all of his funding was from individual donors giving his campaign under $100 each.
  Dems could do this, if leadership had the will.
  3rd parties can't, or they can't yet, because none of them have put in sufficient work at a grassroots level yet to consistently win places on state legislatures, much less federally.

He only did genocide like a smol bean 🥹
- Well, the other one actually did genocide like a big bean. Biden failed to do anything to stop it, Trump actively helped.
  But both sides, amirite?
  
  Biden sent some 18 billion dollars in weapons to Israel. He sanctioned the ICC for seeking to arrest Netanyahu. College protestors were beaten up by police and Zio-mobs with the support of Biden. Biden spread lies about beheaded babies on October 7 to justify the mass slaughter of Palestinian children.
  Biden deliberately failed to secure a ceasefire when all it needed was a proper phone call. Meanwhile Trump managed that for two months. Biden is this deep in hell on genocide support that Trump so far performed better than him.
  But when that was pointed out before the election people went on to defend genocide as somehow acceptable and God forbid demanding to stop it because then AIPAC and the Elon Musk Nazi salute fans from the ADL would have been pissed.
  
  I think selling them weapons and defending Israel from reprisal in criminal courts, and delegitimization of the call of a genocide is not “failing to stop it”, its full blown complicity. The only thing that i see that trump has done any different is attacking freedoms of speech and the right to assemble here to prevent people from protesting over our complicity in a genocide, though to bombed innocents in Gaza, that distinctions means very little.

Yes, both of the sides that aren't interested in fixing wealth inequality, the single most impactful trend, which is required to be fixed to fix many other problems, are the same.
The inability to force the rich to make meaningful concessions is a fatal flaw for both parties
- they are a ratchet,
  Dems are hell bent in maintaining wealth inequality, while conservatives just want to funnel more inequality into their pockets. then democrats forget that they have the power of fixing things and maintain the new status quo.

this makes trump look like a funny cartoon villain stealing candy from the elderly, rather than a nazi intentionally persecuting minorities.
- Biden boasted about having deported more people during his term than Trump did during his first term..
  And then there also is the whole genocide thing and DNC people attacking minorities as stupid and disloyal for not having turned out for them any longer, showing what they really think of people who aren't white or upper class.
- It also makes the left broadly look like people who character-worship their own "leader" just like the right has "their guy."
  I can't speak for all liberals, but I kind of think this is one of the primary "dividing lines" between the political spectrums in America. There are the people who latch onto simple narratives and power-structures like "USA GOOD LEADER GOOD" and people who are very skeptical of power and look at your government like OUR employees and should be held to account no matter what their politics are. Both sides keep projecting their own values onto the other and are making ZERO progress because of this.

I am not American, but I believe in the Biden side someone forgot to add "Genocide enabler"; And yeah I guess it goes on trump's side too. But I wonder if that affected the campaign trail.
- There’s a difference between enabler and maximizer.
  The dilemma is if most people understand trump would be a maximizer and don’t want it, Biden might be less an enabler.
  Ultimately, American people as a whole are the real genocide enabler.
  
  There’s a difference between enabler and maximizer.
  Yea, everyone knows. And it's a painful choice to make regardless of your decision. I resent the conditions that doom us to choose between a cop and a gangster.
  
  Trump was never going to stop any war, but I think the question is about the people who didn't vote. Maybe people don't see viable alternatives? Maybe people are hopeless over there? Why do I keep seeing more and more American immigrants in my country? Maybe people are running from something?
  Again, I am a foreigner; But the way I see it; The American government seems very invested on the Genocide of the people of Gaza. On the other hand; The polls I keep seeing on the matter say that American citizens would rather have all that money spent on better healthcare than Giving Israel weapons to kill unarmed civilians.
  Now this is just a thought, but maybe, just maybeeee, condemning the indiscriminate killing of those people and running on better healthcare might have improved their chances of winning.
  Also maybe that contradiction of morality was a boon to the Republican party to exploit during the election. Like feeding on the hopelessness of a voter base that doesn't support all the decisions of what is supposed to be their party.
- There has not, and will likely never be, a US president who is not sympathetic to Israel. It’s just variations of support. Kamala would not have been any different than Biden.
  
  That is true; And it was major weakness for their campaign; A weakness that I believe they underestimated. I am not talking about just the republicans. Any foreign actor could use that weakness to instill doubt and despair on voters that don't support genocide. I remember a few years back trump was playing this whole ridiculous "Maga communism" angle. As a foreigner, I see on one side a party that is willing to lie cheat and say anything to win And on the other side a party that finds it difficult to capitulate to their voters. The fact that the first one won by such a small margin tells us that the Democrats still have an overwhelming support.
  
  There has not, and will likely never be, a US president who is not sympathetic to Israel. It’s just variations of support.
  I mean, Ike crashed Israel's multinational invasion party, and was generally cold towards Israel.
  
  That's precisely why she lost

Do not glorify Biden. Go back to Obama if you want an actual worthwhile role model. Biden was 110% on board with Bush in going to Iraq and spent the last 20 years of his career aggressively trying to break social security. Fuck boomer Biden.
- I would say Obama is even worse than Biden as a role model to glorify.
  You can draw a direct line between Obama's fellating of wall street and the rise to power of MAGA. He was elected on a mandate to punish the bankers and utterly failed at this task, he failed to enshrine Roe Vs Wade, and started a few wars. Combine this with other events like the management of Bernie Sanders' first attempt at the presidency, and you have a spectacularly inept democrat party that lost all credibility/appeal with swing voters.
  Taking the current politics at face value, Trump would have 0 appeal if the democrats had a reasonable management of the border, if the democrats had actual economic politics instead of identity politics and didn't bend the knee to the military industrial complex as much as republicans did.
  
  Which wars did Obama start?
  
  "the border" is a republican red herring, there's basically nothing to fix, drugs and immigrants come other ways. Immigrants commit crimes at a rate much lower than citizens. It's all republican lies that democrats are somehow fix.
- At least he really pushed back against the ongoing genoci- oh wait, no, he did the opposite of that.
- *Jimmy Carter
  
  He was the guy who knew what needed to be done decades beforehand and was ousted by the mechanations of the neocons. I wonder how much could be different if Reagan wasn't able to make that deal with Iran to win the election.
- i once tried to go president by president in Wikipedia wondering how far I have to go before I find one president that didn't commit war crimes.
  i gave up,
- Careful you don't step in bullshit: U.S. President Joe Biden did not sign an executive order to cancel Social Security benefits and the Supplemental Security Income program and did not ban side jobs, contrary to social media posts asserting saying he did so in March 2024. The posts feature a years-old video where Biden talks about the risk of not raising the debt ceiling.
  
  Gonna also address why his nickname in Congress was Jim Crow Joe?

Totally the same. Biden picked Deb Holland for head of DOI and attempted to make an earnest apology for the US's genocide of Natives via boarding schools.
Tronald Dump did exactly the same thing and cut $300 billion from food assistance that includes Indian country, which are basically third world countries with very little access to food, clean water, housing that isn't a makeshift sheet metal, or healthcare that could prevent life long disabilities and/or premature death.

Glorification of the badies, because the worst came to power...

This isn't the fault of a corrupt politician .... or a corrupt political party ... or a corrupt opposition political party
It's the American people who just blinded accept all this, vote for it, don't question it and do as little as possible about it all and just live with it and hope that it all just goes away on its own.
- The American people didn't blindly vote for this. Fox News (among others) has been brainwashing them for decades. Fox is the number one watched source of news. Republicans have also destroyed education and regulations to allow for people to be brainwashed.
  It's not as simple as laziness.
  
  People are choosing to watch Fox. That is 100% on them.
  
  I sympathize with all that ... because we are suffering with the same here in Canada to a lesser degree ... but I'm in a northern area away from the cities where we have historically always voted for the left or center and seldom the right wing parties.
  We are keeping our heads above water but I can feel the undertow of right wing politics all the time. No matter what happens, I'll always be left (the NDP party) even if it means we lose, I'll never give it to the politics of hate, fear or anxiety just because some dumb politician or television told me so.
  
  adding in election rigging and inteference from the gop/musk and russia. in the last 3 presidential eleciton that was never investigated i might add. even calling out MITCHs election rigging dint make a peep int he news.

These comments make me realize just how many people don't really know their history.

They both support their genocidal garrison state no questions asked.

It's really frustrating people dont want to recognize Biden's accomplishments.
- It isn't a great list considering the child tax credit was a provision of the american rescue plan, the pact act is a particularly small bill that targeted military veterans, and there's nothing past 2022.
  Recognition of four accomplishments in two years gets buried quick by the inaction and inability of the following the next two.
  
  Also the IRA is largely getting blocked or repealed. It would have been great had it been implemented but calling it an accomplishment seems like a stretch given the current situation.
  
  It isn’t a great list
  The bar isn't very high.
  
  And just because you give a bill a name doesn't mean it's effective. The inflation reduction act, did not.
- I guess it depends where you live 🇵🇸
- People have all their excuses lined up. I saw a lot of what I called "b b but why didn't he do everything, everywhere, all at once?"
- He threw the country to fascism at the end of his run, kinda fucks his legacy up dontcha think?
- People don't want solutions. They want to complain.

Why not add a third party here?
- Because there haven't been any 3rd party presidents :(
  
  Yep hence I support the underdogs. Choosing the least worse is still worse.
- You mean like Gil Stein popping her ugly head out of one of Putin's suit pockets every 4 years? 😅
  
  i think it's more likely that the media only gives her attention during the elections.
  she's been arrested in may for protesting the genocide and it didn't even make the news.
  double checked, she's charged with first degree trespassing and forth degree assault for allegedly kicking a cop and hitting him with a bicycle. they say that the officer was injured.
  the court date was may19 but there's literally nothing about it online.
  
  Or Biden who supported genocide? Literally majority of Republican and democrat?

Yet both are enemies of the workers, play into opportunism, the vast majority of their policies are dictated by business donors and maintain the system that most of us can agree is killing the planet and people. Any minor concessions (that have already been repealed by the way, wonder how that works /s) might make things a little bit comfortable, but is essentially nothing in comparison.
Stop rallying behind the puppets of capitalists, look past the liberal abstraction to see things for what they really are even if media says otherwise.

Genocide
- Genocide Joe is the liberal hero
- Yeah we need to not make Biden look like he was perfect and only good, it's very easy to illustrate how much better he was than Trump without ignoring the bad.

Biden was lip stick on a pig. Trump is cutting a pig open.

They like him because he hurts the ones they hate a little more than he hurts them.

So find a way to pay him more for what you consider "good", and point out specifically how it benefits him today - that's how you deal with someone who's as obvious as him..
- Gonna be hard to convince Trump that anything that benefits brown people also benefits him.
  
  Ignore the brown people part. Don't tell him about that. Focus entirely on how whatever it is benefits him immediately. Sneak in all the other stuff after you feed his ego and his wallet.

Welcome to the comments, also known as your daily reminder that Lemmy degraded into a cesspool in the span of a single year and is literally just reddit now and why am I still posting on or reading
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- Who could have possibly predicted the number 1 place suggested as a reddit alternative to redditers every time shit hits the fan (basically monthly) would turn into reddit?
  Maybe try Tildes.

Biden was a great president
- He was an okay president
- He bombed children, screwed over the poor and working class, and backed a genocide. He was an average president, which is to say: A terrible president.
- Hey, that's not true! He failed to bring peace to the Middle East (which has been in a constant state of turmoil or imperialist occupation for one reason or another since the Romans took over Judea)!
  
  Are you fucking kidding me? Go spread your historically illiterate (and very racist) misinformation elsewhere; the Middle East under the Ottoman empire was exceptionally stable before European imperialism wrecked the region.
- You mean Jill, right? Because Joe’s brains were leaking out of his skull in an unimaginably grotesque display of elder abuse for at least the last 2.5 years of the Biden presidency.

Slow fascism vs fast fascism. More money to cops, more drilling, more selling public land, more building a boarder wall, more genocide, more pardons for bad people, more keeping "permanent" tax cuts for the wealthy, more inability to actually make anything better ever.
At least with fast fascism some people are fighting back, but not hard enough to stop it.
- People are fighting back but not hard enough. What a wild take.

If he had all those accomplishments and people still didn’t vote for his successor I wouldn’t call them accomplishments.
- People didn't even know he wasn't running for President, I wouldn't expect them to learn of his accomplishments through Trump Media

Ah libs, holding hands with fascists and blaming the left for fascism as is tradition.
- I think you grossly misunderstood the meme.
  
  Really? Because it seems to me like this meme is trying to say Joe Biden was awesome and the title is definitely something I’ve heard parroted by people who blame leftists for not voting for Biden.