US federal judges consider creating own armed security force as threats mount
US federal judges consider creating own armed security force as threats mount
I am sorry, as a an outsider looking in on the US, when I read that title, I burst out laughing out of pure disbelief, I mean holy shit, this is absolute insane.
Not on the judge's part, but that this is actually needed.
I knew it was going to be bad when Trump won the second term, I realized it was going to be worse when I understood how much power was about to be given him, I had no idea he was actually going to dismantle law and order.
This is madness.
Nobody would disagree. The problem is here though, and it needs to be dealt. At least these people intend to do something about it.
It sounds like that of a typical response to a school shooting; anything but addressing the core issue. Let's put Kevlar on the judges...
Nice job reacting to the downvotes
Edit. Damn. Dude reacted so hard he deleted his reactionary comment lol
If judges are being threatened by POTUS they need to issue an arrest warrant.
Deputize a citizens milita and arrest him.
Isn’t that what US Marshals are? Or do they mean specifically one not under control of the DOJ?
Proposal would move security under judges’ control as justice department has vowed loyalty to president
It's in the description... So yes, one under the control of the Judiciary, not the Executive.
Ah, thank you. Yeah, that makes sense. Good move.
Yes.
It is entirely possible at this point that the Marshalls could be ordered to arrest a Trump admin lawyer, who has been deemed being in criminal contempt of court, or some other LE official that's been found to have committed a crime...
And then this person could then be defended by the Secret Service, or the other members of whichever armed LE group under the Executive branch...
We already have unnamed DOGE, ICE, DHS goons going around basically doing the reverse.
At somepoint, we could actually get an armed standoff or confrontation between two different groups of armed, federal personnel.
Its very uh... early 90s Russia, if you ask me.
It is entirely possible at this point that the Marshalls could be ordered to arrest a Trump admin lawyer, who has been deemed being in criminal contempt of court, or some other LE official that’s been found to have committed a crime…
And then this person could then be defended by the Secret Service, or the other members of whichever armed LE group under the Executive branch…
Unnecessary: US Marshals Service is administered by Department of Justice of the executive branch headed by the president. Why pretend the president couldn't simply pass down orders?
The second once, since the attorney general is a fascist.
What did it say in the article?
I have recently started to learn how to use a firearm, because it feels like that the US is headed for a 2nd Civil War. Hopefully the money and time spent on that turns out to be a silly reaction...but if asked, I will serve the Free States, be it as a soldier or court marshal. Trump and the GOP is a tremendous threat to me and the other innocents of America.
You would best serve the "Free States" by helping and protecting your family, friends, and community of like-thinking associates- firearms may be required.
Can't recommend a shotgun enough.
VR80. Semi-automatic 12 gauge, with magazines. If you live in a state like California, you can treat it as something like a split or lever action, which allows you to release the magazines. I figure semi-auto would be needed if combat becomes a thing, especially if drones start delivering pain. Shotguns are one of the more common options for anti-drone defense in Ukraine.
So what happens if the thugs in the DoJ clash with this judicial security? Are they prepared to turn their weapons on the DoJ officers? If not, then this is only to protect judges from stochastic terrorism at the hands of tRump supporters. Dark passages up ahead, I fear.
The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary, regardless of what these assclowns are trying to cosplay.
The Judiciary is equal to Executive and Congress. That's just a fucking fact. A Federal Judges ruling has the same weight as any bullshit Executive Order Trump can crap out on paper.
That seems to matter little to this regime. So, I ask again, what happens when they clash? We saw them stage a situation and try to arrest sitting members of congress and a mayor. In a sane world, you are correct. We don't live in that world so subordination doesn't matter!
The only fact that matters is whose orders are the cops going to enforce.
The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary
Maybe crack open a book on US government or read an encyclopedia article: Department of Justice is department of the executive branch. Historically, they started out as the federal government's attorneys/prosecutors.
The judicial branch only has the federal courts, its judges, its administrators.
Those are only facts if someone enforces it at the business end of a weapon.
If they aren't ready to put down fascist jackboots they aren't gonna be able to do the job.
Which threats? The ones from the POTUS?
Sure seems like they should start holding his administration accountable, right? RIGHT?
No, from the brownshirts who have been systematically threatening and murdering the judges and their families who oppose fascism.
So we are nearing the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession part…
Not quite.
Ok, i take it back then.
They should. Some minimal physical protection may be needed to meet, consider, decide and publish a decision (nothing more) if things get really bad.
If they can modify the US Marshals service get independence from the DoJ, that seems reasonable.
They still need Congress to fund it which seems unlikely.
As they should be scared. They are currently dismantling the United States… did they not think there would be ramifications?
Honestly, I have the impression that they don't. The 1% already won the game of life, but they insist on doubling down and gambling the nation for...line go up?
The wealthy are addicts without restraint.
I'm sure there are a lot of court cases i don't hear about but they seem to be siding with the constitution most of the time.
I think the US is in need of 3 capitals like in South Africa, one for each branch of government.
I was thinking that maybe the US could use three presidents - West, East, and Center, each heading up a major chunk of territory. SCOTUS could be expanded to have 50 justices, each state appointing a single justice to represent them on the supreme court. The presidents each could select a single head justice, whose job is to communicate the viewpoint of the executives, and to write up the conclusions that SCOTUS factions have reached.
That sort of thing should help maintain the intention of the Constitution, where branches - or rather, interests, constantly jockey against each other, thus being equal. The problem with our current politics is that too much power has been concentrated into the hands of too few people, essentially destroying the balance of branches.
Giving each state equal representation without a population distribution that is exactly equal across every state inherently devalues the representation of those in population centers, giving disproportionate power to a party that is outnumbered but is spread out over the much emptier land. Equal rep must be based proportionally off of population to avoid devaluing individual voter influence.
Yeah I'm starting to think that a triumvirate is the way to go for the office of the president. Let's have a head of state, a head of government, and a head of _____ idk. But the job is too intense for one individual and we need an escape hatch while also having stability. So we could impeach the head of state but keep the head of government so shit still gets done during that transition.
That's such an EU thing to do 😄
Ah! Like this:
Dredd was my first thought too. My favorite Thatcher inspired comic.
Everything is fine. We're completely fucked.
Wasn't that the US marshals?
This needs to happen!!! The start of the rebels
Maybe it's time for the Senate to start forming a Grand Army of the Republic?
We can have Luigi head up the council of Jedi
EDIT: for the non-historians among us, this was Ernst Röhm, head of the Nazi Brownshirts (SA), a paramilitary organization used to primarily cause havoc amongst the population and competing political parties, but also in charge of protection details for high ranking NSDAP officials, later replaced by the SS when Hitler had him murdered due to lack of trust.
Fun fact: historians call Hitler's purge of Ernst Röhm and other brownshirts "The Night of the Long Knives". Ironically enough, Hitler used that expression in a post-purge speech in which he claimed that Röhm had himself been planning a night of the long knives assassination of Hitler and other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the expression came to be used to describe Hitler's actions.
Nah, we need politicians to be able to feel fear, imo. If they never have to think "will this come back to haunt me?" then that's going to enable a lot of awful shit.
Good! We can train THEM to Write Strong Letters INSTEAD of Forcing the Judges to! Which is MUCH More Preferable than RULING on the LAWS!
Or they can take responsibility over their actions? Lol who am I kidding.
The courts can take responsibility over their actions? They seem to be doing most things right. Even the SC seems to be making the constitutional decision a lot of the time.
It's the president that is stiring up his base against the courts when they rule he did something unconstitutional. And that happens almost every day.
They’re not doing anything about the president violating the constitution.
They can't. Congress has to do that.
Supreme court could just manifest the ability to fund a system of officers of the court from thin fucking air if they wanted to.
