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Ryanair be Like
- That's majestic

These standing seats have been coming next year for the past decade, but they always failed safety tests. Planes need to be evacuated within a certain time frame, which does not work when the plane is too densely packed.
- Can't they go Middle Earth on them and just create more doors?
  
  Pilots were asked about the problem and one said "I sen guards to the exits to help with the evacuation."
- Did the stronger younger people try pushing the frail and children out of the way during these safety tests? Because I feel like the plane world empty quickly in that scenario
  
  "Do you feel capable of opening the exit in case of an emergency?"
  -- Yes.
  "Do you feel capable of throwing the old woman behind you of of the window in case of an emergency?"
  -- What?
  "Do you know how to punch someone unconscious if they fall to hysteria in case of an emergency?"
  -- I would like to leave the plane now.
  
  dont give them ideas!
- I think we should relax rules on how quickly it is to evaluate a plane, and focus more on keeping the plane in the sky. (looking at you Boeing)
  I'd love sleeping pods or bunk beds on a plane and accept the higher risk of not being able to get out quickly.
  Cars and probably even train are infinitely more dangerous and we accept those risks every day.
  
  There is no legitimate reason why trains or cars should be more dangerous modes of transport than flights. It is just that the lobbies for cars and capitalist train operations successfully desensitized everyone to it, so "deadly car crash" is just shrugged away. In the US we see similar attempts to make planes less safe and just accept the numbers of people killed in preventable events.
  
  Why not both?
  
  And if we are making rules about exiting a plane it should apply to when the plane lands normally. There is absolutely no reason it takes 30+ mints to get the fuck off the plane once we've arrived at the gate
  
  I don't think loosening regulations in one place will help in other places.

This looks like a pain in the balls in case of turbulence
- Some would probably enjoy some turbulence in their ass.

passengers hanging outside not before 2030

How people can look at (mostly) state owned rail vs private airlines and still think the free market benefits the average person is one of life's big mysteries to me.
- I mean, Trump won the vote, and Brexit won the vote... Something tells me it's as simple as most people are fucking stupid.

Watch these cost the same as standard seats, and the cost of standard seats go up
- “You’re still a premium subscriber and have full access to our premium plan, but some of our options have changed.”

So I guess no putting your head between your knees in the event of a crash then, huh?
- The only reason airlines would have you do that in the first place is so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
  
  Not true.
  
  Brace position.
- You need to pass yoga test to afford this seat
- Maybe they could replace that with a noose that comes down next to the oxygen. Then, if you get claustrophobic, you get off the plane any time you want.
  
  That would require assisted suicide to be legal.
- The ‘ol Marylin Manson
- Well strapped to a sightly ergonomic plank upright is pretty safe, even better if you face away from the direction of the crash.

Honestly, I'm pretty tall and if it gives more room for my legs, I'd like to have the option
- Finally more leg room... But now your head bumps against the ceiling and you need to have your head tilted for the entire flight
  
  Same answer as above
  Most people can't stand outside of the aisle because this area is meant to be seated (so they put storage space above the head). If the area outside the aisle is meant to be stood (not sure of my english), and they don't remove the storage above the head, people are in their right to luigi those decision makers.
  
  I have to lean sideways anyway because my shoulders are too broad and the side of the plane is round.
  There's so much about flying that sucks as a big person.
  My knees are folded up to my chest. I'm leaning to the right to stay off the fuselage. I can't be in an aisle seat because I'm in the way of the crew, and I have to lean forward the whole time because someone is in the seat next to me. And that person hates me.
  My dread of the flying experience is why I never go on vacations.
- Why do you assume there will be leg room?
  
  This. The who point is to cram more seats than they are currently able
  
  Presumably standing seats means standing up? Hopefully not squatting seats.
- Will the height be adjustable? Otherwise the sitting thing will be either way to low or poking the backs of most people.
  
  Insert short people dangling from them like kids from walkers xD
- If you can stand up in a plane outside of the aisle, you're not tall.
  
  Most people can't stand outside of the aisle because this area is meant to be seated (so they put storage space above the head). If the area outside the aisle is meant to be stood (not sure of my english), and they don't remove the storage above the head, people are in their right to luigi those decision makers.
- I've always imagined it would be like the seats on a stand-up rollercoaster, which are admittedly pretty comfortable; but if they don't allow you to adjust the height, it could be hell for both short and tall people
- No idea who fetterman is, I just image-searched "tall man in plane"
  
  Someone who won on progressive ideals and then immediately stabbed his constituents in the back by going full Democrat.
- Is that fetterman?
  
  Is he a drooling clown in a hoodie and shorts?

The lengths the US will go to to avoid building high-speed rail.
- This is almost certainly a European thing.
  It is a European thing!
  https://liveandletsfly.com/ryanair-showcases-standing-room-vertical-seats/
  
  Because of course it's Ryanair.
  Oh, you want a seat? That's an extra £50. Each. Both ways. Go fuck yourselves.
  The EU needs to regulate the fuck out of that shitbag company.
  
  It's a capitalism thing.
  Extract as much value as possible. Deliver as little value to your customers as possible. Treat them as second layer of product.
  Human needs are not the goal.
  
  Ryanair has no plans to introduce them. (sorry for the metro link).
  Also Ireland kind of gets a pass they don't have a rail link to anywhere. A Dublin-Holyhead tunnel would definitely be a good idea.

Why don't they do lay-down-only seats? Seems like you'd save the same amount of space or more with vastly more comfort.
- The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.
  
  Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that's how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don't want to do that laying down. It's a lose lose for the airline.
  
  I've been on enough planes to believe 2 minutes of evacuation time will see 5% evacuated and 95% trampled before the fiery inferno.
  
  Pop me out the side with compressed air like a decoy flare
  
  Just lean it forward and have everyone slide down and out of the emergency slide.
  
  Would you rather die in your sleep? Or with your balls crushed?
  
  Another emergency door can't be that expensive
- Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats?
  Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
  But it's all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don't fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry's fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You'll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.
  
  The FAA's goal of zero air disasters will feel like a luxury in the future.
  
  Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
  Wouldn't the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?
  If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn't be as physically demanding as standing up.
  Oh well.
  
  !remindme 10 years
- People too fat
  
  So we'll have them stand for hours instead?
  
  Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don't want a fat shame But I definitely don't want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don't necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I'm a little chunky. I'm a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don't have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.
- Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don't they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room.. Just give them diapers! /S
  
  An additional $25 Diaper Convenience Fee has been automatically added to your total.

Honestly, that may actually be more comfortable for me than trying to fold my legs into the tiny rows they have now.
- I am super torn here because pre-back-surgery me looks at these and says "the NERVE of these fuckers" and post-back-surgery me is like "Well that WOULD be nice yes"

Honestly I didn't even realize until now how good the cropping is on lemmy compared to redd*t. holy shit the number of memes that came from screenshots of twitter screenshotted on insta screenshotted on whatever the fuck but this one was profile.

Solution: bring a cheap plastic chair as part of your luggage
- And if the plane fails, jump out of the plane with the chair and sit down/stand up as you're about to hit the ground.
  You won't receive any fall damage during the animation.
  (Make sure to check patch notes, this is a 2020 update exploit)

There's an idea. Flights that people can make standing, should be banned, except when there is a body of water between the destination.
- Airlines: "You're not gonna believe what clouds are made of..."
  
  I declare clouds are not a body of water, merely a spirit of water.
  
  Oh, yes corporations. I guess body of Liquid water then. 😂
  Edit: 2x2 Km minimum size.

For what it's worth: this was apparently a concept created by an airline seat company called Aviointeriors who showed the idea off at trade shows in 2010 (as the "SkyRider") and 2018 (as the "SkyRider 2.0" pictured here.) Pretty much all the news articles about it are about Aviointeriors claiming vague unsourced "plans" for them to be adopted by some future date, steeped in Aviointeriors' corporate PR speak, but the articles mostly end up being about the intense public backlash to the idea. No airlines have announced any plans to buy and use these seats, not even those lunatics at RyanAir, and in the years since all SkyRider mentions have been quietly removed from Aviointeriors' own site.
Sources:
news.com.au
CNN
Euro Weekly News
Daily Mail (archive link, ain't giving them a click)
- The fact this company is still around makes me think someone with a lot of money is trying to promote the concept every so often just to see if the public might finally accept this ludicrous idea. A company being around for 15 years with 0 sales and just a concept means someone wants this to happen but thinks the only problem is that they haven't figured out the right pitch.
  
  The company sells normal airplane seats and has been around for a long time. This pitch seems to have been an unsuccessful attempt to create a new market they could rule with their crappy invention.

I can’t wait to see people passing out or getting injured because of these seats.
E: plenty of people arguing like people of good health will be the only passengers.
- What could go wrong standing for two hours... Nothing probably if you're a healthy young individual
  
  honestly might even be more healthy
  
  People are often advised to not lock their knees for a long time while standing (ex: marching band, or standing at attention in the military), and you cannot force anyone to have healthy posture. The ergonomics of these seats appear to take some of the load off the legs and feet, but it's something to consider for patrons with more sedentary lifestyles. Many people believe themselves to be fit individuals until they are placed in uncomfortable conditions for a long time or experience unexpected stress. They could manage to injure themselves in some way, then find some reason to litigate.
  
  How fat you would have to be to pass out from standing for 2 hours?

I'm 6'6". Standing only seats would be preferable to me.
- I'm 5'5" and I just know my legs would dangle like a child on their first roller coaster.
  
  5'4" here. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to reach the floor and would hang there like a rag doll. 🤣
- Yeah, crouching like a gremlin under the hand luggage chutes? Fuck that.
  
  Currently my strategy is to attempt to fold my legs under the seat and essentially kneel because it's not physically possible for my thighs to fit. Between kneeling and praying to the God of capitalism to not give me a dvt vs crouching like the subhuman ogre I am: I'll crouch.

Next step - put bicycle seats, reducent material for backs. Then add bicycle pedals for engines, to reduce fuel usage. None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.
- None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.
  Standard ticket if you generate at least 1KW, otherwise the price goes up if you generate less, with a fine for less then 50W generated during the flight
  
  Bet You will have to pay max price front. For security reason.
  Possible overpaid (in case You return some electricity), are returned in form of credit points for next purchase!

It sounds quiet ridiculous, but I also had some flights that were so short (~50 min) that it almost took more time to seat everybody. Anyway, I would love to read those safety reports. Not only is sitting better on impact, but also cramping more people in the same machine, means more people (which trend to not comprehend the idea of leaving their luggage behind) share the exit routes.

If people actually pay for this it’s on them
- If it catches on, these seats will be the base price and seated places will become premium. It will impact everyone that travels by plane.
  
  And so the enshitiffication of air travel continues!
  
  Of course. How else are they going to advertise $10 tickets to Florida?

Next stage: inject you with strong sedatives and pack the plane with the bodies
- I mean honestly though, I'm kinda here for that. It's essentially teleportation at that point.
  
  This is starting to remind me of the show severance lol
  
  I am reminded of The Jaunt where animals and humans can survive teleportation only while unconscious.
- Lowest common denominator...capitalism in crisis. It's not a joke, man. If they can get away with it, they will.

Standing still in place for a few hours is waaay more uncomfortable than pacing and walking around. Shifting the weight on our feet really helps
I can't imagine how awful these would be, especially with how cramped they'd be packed in (otherwise they're no smaller than chairs). God, you couldn't even bend down to scratch your knee.
I remember seeing pictures like this a looking time ago so I'm pretty sure they're fake bait. At best it's an idea somebody prototyped but won't use.
- Cowards just need to go all in and hang us under the plane like an overhead roller coaster.
  
  Too much skill and engineering involved. The people that run our societies, specifically capitalist societies, because that's the only thing that's left, are too obsessed with the profit motive to actually even attain something like this. Unless you're just being flown around like meat and your survivability is not guaranteed.
- Shifting the weight on our feet really helps
  This is why some people use wobble boards with standing desks. Makes a big difference.
- It can even be dangerous for some people to be in a standing position for too long. I have a severe case of POTS caused by a genetic disorder. My heart stopped during a tilt table test, which is where I was forced to remain in a standing position. If I'm expected to pay more for a normal seat just because I'm disabled, that's ableism.

You need to fly somewhere? Okay, fuck you.
Edit: wasn't there just a story about how they are going to offer first class seats with five windows? I guess it is just gods and slobs now.

That's right, girls. Start packing on those pounds because the only airline seat that poops, then lies about it doesn't have farts in the headrest anymore.
- I’ve read this repeatedly without any concept of what you’re saying but goddamn is it provocative and gets me going.
  
  Don't put rocks in your pockets to fly

I mean, I'm broke as shit. So if it halved the cost of the tickets I'd do it, but I'm 99% sure I'd be paying close to the same.
- You must be a wizard. Of course the savings aren't transferred to you. When they fuck up. They put it on the consumer. Time is unwinding. The poor pay more.

Can I just sit on the floor like on a train in Poland?
- Thats outdated thing, Polish trains now require You to play tetris, stack layers, that somehow doesn't disappear. It's like first person do sit on floor, then 2nd person sit on 1st, then 3rd sit on 2nd, and so on. Lucky ones who sit on toilet instead.
  
  If you do not sit on the toilet, you become the toilet.

I don’t get it. Why not just have bunk beds and everyone gets to lay down like those sleeper busses in Asia. They get way more people on those busses than with just seats
- Velcro them to the walls!

"Second hand coffins, cheap!" -Stan, slaps lid of coffin

banana chair

For a second I thought "Low quality cropping" was a new c/ being announced.
- It could be

I'm over 40 and I usually stand up about half of my working day. But I wouldn't want to stand in an airplane because it's cramped.
- I'm tall enough I can't stand up on any plane I've been on in the last several years....

I'd pay extra to not have to deal with the TSA as well.
- The Security Theater is non-negotiable. It's there to maintain fear. Those that created the Security Theater are the ones that create the terrorism.

Not really worse than standing on the train for hours. But, standing on a train doesn't make the ride cheaper. So, in some ways better than standing on the train
- I've stood on the bus for 4-5 hours before. When I was younger I could sleep standing on the bus. Not sure if I could pull it off now.

What about people like myself who have POTS and can't be in a standing position for too long? My heart can legit stop causing me to pass out if I'm standing for too long.
- Then don't book standing seats?
  
  Why should I have to be forced to pay more for sitting seats just because I have a disability? What if all the sitting seats are fully booked or the plane has no sitting seats for passengers? It's like intentionally designing a shop with several tall steps at the entrance that would make it impossible for wheelchair users to enter, and the wheelchair users have to pay each time they shop there to have a ramp extended at the entrance so they can enter. It's an example of ablest design.

Got to get that body count up these suckers be falling from the skies. Exponential Madness. Slippery Slope. We're all falling down the mountain, grasping for a short rope. Mass hysteria gaslighting clowns, limp dick leadership. Fly to your vacay as the nukes are dropping. YOLO. A world in denial. The show must go on. Welcome to the world of the billionaire welfare queen. The Liberals open the door for their devil. This was always the case. The Sun whorshippers, breed-like rats and whorship idols. Singing their coping mechanisms of toxic positive optimism. Who the hell needs to watch movies anymore? Clown, clown show, clown show. Capitalism in Crisis, everybody's goose stepping. It's easy to destroy but difficult to build. lowest common denominator.
- Sir this is a highly confused Wendys...

First it'll be the seats. Next they will remove the floor. Now it's one of those dangling roller coaster rides without rails! 😃
- Apart from the deadly practicalities, and the boring route, that does sound kinda fun ngl.

I hate air travel so much. I have non-local family so deal with a single r/t per year, but that's about my limit.

Im ok with it given it would probably be easier on my back