Discord co-founder and CEO Jason Citron is stepping down

We need a decent replacement for this, stat. Once they go into IPO mode it's gonna get real shitty, real fast.
- I feel like it's been shitty for a decade.. personal view though, clearly people like it
  Edit: well, for almost 10 years, maybe 9.
  
  The UI/UX has always been absolutely atrocious.
  
  clearly people like it
  It's the network effect that people like, just like every other social platform before it.
  
  From a functional perspective it's fantastic but it doesn't make up for the incessant ads (even if you pay) and the lack of any privacy whatsoever.
  
  Same boat as many Gapps like Google Maps. No large market competitor to show users how much better it can be.
  
  It isn't even a decade old... anyway, it got market share for a reason. It was immediately a big step up from other free offerings in ease of use, UI, and eventually in features too.
- Revolt?
  
  https://revolt.chat/
  It's open source too.
- Oh wow, it can get shittier?
  
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- We already have TeamSpeak/Ventrillo, and I think IRC is still a thing?
- I already left, enjoy it for me.
- Matrix for chatting, when we need voice chat we use ts3. Been using it for so long now, I don't understand the problem why people dont use it
  
  You can integrate Jitsi to your Matrix too. If you have a client that supports it, you get both chat and voice in the same place.
- Mumble?

Once Discord enshittifies, lazy devs won't be able to say "follow our Discord for updates!" anymore.
- I’m a lazy dev and want to get ahead of this, where should I post my updates?
  
  Back in ye olden days you’d have your own website, a blog, or maybe a forum. It was indexable on Google and anyone could see and interact with your updates. If not for that there’s always steam.
  
  On whatever platform(s) you sell your games. The key is not expecting someone to sign up for a different service for your updates.
  
  Github (and alternatives), Fediverse, Reddit, Matrix
  Maybe a blog like homepage powered by Cloudflare or Github
  
  rss?
  
  Email group
  
  ...bluesky?
  
  RSS
- Lol "once Duscord enshittifies". Bro... It happened years ago.
  
  It was never good from the start, as a voice chat program, it's miles behind ts3 and mumble, never liked discord, isn't that what gamer pedo''s use to get in contact with younger kids anyway?
- lol what, Discord enshittified years ago.
- Hopefully they move to element
  
  Hopefully they just post updates on the platforms they sell their games on. I shouldn't need to sign up for anything else.
  
  Matrix?

Discord ruined what was left of online forums and so it’s users now deserve the full force of enshittification. It was so easy to join, how come it’s this hard to leave?
- Mutual hostage taking, you can't leave because everyone is there, and they can't leave because you're there.
  Only collective action can be organized to break this social trap. The easiest way is to require the garden's walls pulled down.
  But I'd be fine putting down the executive
- Yea I saw the writing on the wall years ago. Why do I want a fucking client to talk to mass people. That is a shit format for more than like 6 people in a room.
  
  It's basically an old school chat room at that point.
- Where the fuck are we gonna go?
  
  I dunno. There’s probably a discord group that discussed it but you are not in it so I guess you won’t ever know.
  
  Element. If you are missing something, talk to all those motivated people doing Discord bots or whatever, they can contribute to Element/Matrix. And it's actually open source, they keep their contributions, contrary to all the work they have done for Discord for free.
  
  You could go to matrix
  
  Forums. Lemmy. Group Chats.
  What does discord do that these dont bar create a barrier for use?
  
  IRC is basically all the chat portions of discord.
- "this hill was so easy to walk down, why is it so hard to walk up it?"

Fuck IPO imminent

Bro got replaced by some ex-Activision-Blizzard MBA zombie. Humam got 86’d/golden parachuted from Blizzard after only <2 years as “Vice Chairman”. Then a 1-2 yr gap.
Humam about to get another massive bag once labor force is cut, platform further enshittified, and corp books are sufficiently cooked/prepped for IPO.
- Humam - like human, but not really.
  
  Rob Zombie: More Humam than hu-man! He left Activisiioooonnnn!
  
  Kind of like how Marcus Persson was almost a person?

Discord is just another social media site that has a whole lot of people fooled into thinking it's not creating profiles on them for advertising. Gonna get real obvious real soon though.
I guess thats OK for community dev teams and stuff - like it works well, users can come and accesa the faq or support and leave. But it can leave a walled garden of data in there if they want to move elsewhere later though.
Larger issue is the people that share their whole lives there as a quasi-Facebook. That's all getting hoovered up and sold to the highest bidder - alongside data like exactly what activity you do on your PC (processes running when and where for how long etc - Discord monitors a lot)
- The names escaping me but there’s a site you can use that turns your discord into a publicly accessible website / archive.
  Check out mautrix-discord too if you’re a server admin, you can puppet everything there and switch seamlessly.

they're gonna make it a million times worse putting the activision blizzard guy in charge.
- Please tell me you're joking. I was just beginning to like some of the discord communities I've joined over the years.
  Fuck that guy, seriously. Activision already ruined WoW, which I sincerely liked a lot for a very long time.
  
  sadly no it was mentioned in here: https://www.theverge.com/news/654594/discord-new-ceo-jason-citron-humam-sakhnini

fyi discord has already been enshitifying for at least 5 years now

Hey bruh u wanna buy nitro bruh. It's the new shit bruh
- What the fuck does Nitro even do, other than give you some useless emoji?
  
  Increased file attachment sizes (10->50->100MB depending on tier, I think).
  Cross post emojis from any server you are on.
  Cross post stickers from any server you are on.
  Higher maximum server count.
  One free server boost.
  Probably a couple more vanity shit. Yep, entirely laughable business model.
  
  I got nitro for higher audio quality so I could stream background music while running a DnD campaign over discord.
  It also increases your streaming resolution and file upload size limit which is quite useful.
  It also lets you use emojis from any server in any other server, which isn’t “useful” but is fun and I do it all the time.
  For these 3 things I think it’s worth it. It’s worth noting I have a grandfathered Nitro plan that is more features than “Nitro Basic” but less features than the next tier at a cost that’s in between.
  The real enshitification I’m worried about is the gradually increasing prevalence of ads in increasingly prominent places.

Wait, there's actually humans working at Discord? I thought the entire thing was run by bots.
- "working" lol. He's the founder and CEO, he collects most of the money.

its gonna enshittify
- Let's be real, the enshitification started quite some time ago. Though I do expect it to get much worse.
  
  Yeah, you are not even paying for minutes yet

A bitter end for this lemon.
- Is it really bitter if IPO is successful? Citron and other cofounders likely setup to get a massive payout when it IPOs.
  Humam isn’t someone that will look after the company for many years. He is brought in to cook the books, and get it to an IPO.
  
  What is success here? The few founders and VC get filthy rich as the larger population dumps their money into Discord stock while the users and teams with limited foresight, who’ve moved their communities to discord, suffer?
  I mean yeah I guess that’s the success Cory Doctorow warns us about again and again.
  But that’s not my definition of success.
  For context I’ve been on the receiving end of an IPO and the founders and investors made out like bandits while a fair number of employees were stuck holding the bags thanks to lock-ins, dilution and over priced shares.
  
  Citron means lemon in various languages.
- Maybe he was out of juice

Uh oh.
- Big uh oh. We had a good run though
  
  Did we tho
  
  Yeah, discord was very fun in its early days until 2020 and covid. 😆

I get ads in my discord now. Revolt, Matrix, thats your queue.
- Cue, unless you want them to get in line to do the same thing.
  
  Yeah get in line and get installed on my computer.
- Are those any good or better than guilded?
  
  Probably not. Revolt is pretty bare bones but the customization is great. No video sharing.
  Matrix is not something you can just set up with no skills.
  But Guilded's story is exactly the same as Discord's just one chapter behind.

Where am I moving my friends group? Revolt is nice but not quite ready for primetime / getting a rewrite, and I've always been iffy about matrix. Is a signal group chat literally where we're heading to!?
- Why iffy about matrix? You could always use mumble or teamspeak still
  
  As someone who runs a Mumble server (and has for over a decade) – it's really not a replacement for the user experience that is Discord.
  People want a unified UI, the ability to create communities with some amount of customization, embedded/live content, plus voice and video so they can chill and play games together. Mumble is just voice, and while it's a very good implementation of that, it's not even in the same user space as Discord.
- While matrix/element is still very much in development, it is improving constantly. A year ago i sometimes had issues with desynced encryption keys and now that never happens anymore. There is now a modern group call and screensharing system and the new ElementX mobile app which is much faster than the old app. Now there is also OIDC and in a few weeks QR code login will be released, so no more manually entering login and encryption key verification stuff.
  
  QR code login is technically out, you just need to be running your own homeserver (and MAS) to use it.
  But, yeah, exciting to finally have that.
- What's wrong with matrix/element? We started running our own server for our household group chats and it has been solid.
- SMS/RCS
- Movim (XMPP)

I’m glad I’m too old to use Slack but for video games. I’d rather eat a bowl of hair than have more notifications.
- Slack but for video games
  Lol when introducing new employees to Slack who haven't used it before I always say "It's Discord, but for work" haha
  
  Haha that's funny, when I first had to use slack and discord, I thought oh this is IRC, just with extra crap
  
  I miss slack every day, teams is getting better but... Ugh