Student could face ‘decades behind bars’ for alleged Tesla arson attack in Missouri

Cop: kills innocent man; gets 2 years of prison
Student: burns 2 ugly as fuck cars in protest, hurting no actual people; gets several decades of prison
- One of them was against our poor victimised billionaire class!

Yes, arson is a crime, and rightly so. “Decades behind bars”, however, for setting two cars on fire (and damaging two charging stations) is insanely disproportionate. There’s a very important reason that not all infractions are sentenced to the maximum possible extent:
If the government is going to drop any pretense of mercy or sanity, then there’s no reason why people shouldn’t take their time, plan things carefully, and destroy the whole dealership. People who would otherwise do less damage are taking note. Sure, some will be scared away, but I think more will be emboldened. Maybe I’m wrong, but it doesn’t matter. Either way, the end result will be worse.
The government is basically telling people that prosecutors won’t be reasonable, so you might as well make sure the crime is truly worthy of the punishment. I cannot overemphasize what a terrible idea this is.
- It's like the zero-tolerance policy my at my kid's school...
  I told them if you get hit, since you're going to get suspended anyway, fight back until I get there to pick you up.
  
  “zero tolerance” in public schools is 100% copout cowardice from administrators who would rather hide behind policy instead of having to earn their six-figure incomes by making the basic fundamental decisions that the job duties entail. All principals everywhere are midwit cowards.
- Hi!
  We're the Trump regime.
  Every idea we have is the worst one imagined!
  Have a horrible day!
- Her punishment should be at least as bad as the sentences rioters served for breaking into the U.S. capitol. Or maybe that should be the cap since her actions didn’t result in death and weren’t intended as an attempt at insurrection (unless someone that owns Tesla is now considered the head of government).
- Absolutely, it’s called a proportional response for a reason. I always think of the West Wing scene when this subject comes up. The whole scene lives in my head rent free to be honest.
- News media unfortunately tends to look up the absolute maximum a crime can be sentenced and reports as if that is the default sentencing. It is rare for crimes to be sentenced to the max. If we can get past the screaming about "but this is Trump's America now!", the sentencing is still unlikely to be at the max, or at least not maxed out on every count.
  I wish the article had shown their work, because from my skim (quick skim, but I'm pretty solid on the DD charge maximum at least) the two charges together have a maximum sentencing of 17 years combined if charged by the federal system. It would have been 13 if the state had charged.

- For real, those piece of shit cars have more rights than we do

Another witness filmed a video of the fire and posted it on X, the affidavit said. The witness claimed they saw McIntire fleeing the scene.
And the rats? What do they get? Honestly, disgusting that someone would help the police find her. Like what even are your morals. Fucking pathetic.
- "Leave the multi billion dollar company alone unsheaths plastic katana"
  
  “Listen, I’m legally required to tell you to cease your ingress ma’am. Please don’t make me tell you again. I will raise my voice if i have to!”
- him* possibly them*
  -The article says the suspects full name is "Owen McIntire" being the only hint to suspect gender.
  
  I kinda both like and dislike that something as arbitrary as long hair and no beard can cause this kind of debate. In the '80s, the assumption probably would've just been that they're a fan of hair metal lol.
  I like it because it means that it's a lot easier to bend gender norms (and be seen as bending gender norms) than I thought and it also just proves how full of shit people are when they claim they "can tell" and that at least half of their perception of the world is dictated by their culture.
  I dislike it for the same reasons though. Because it means that this world is still a lot more puritanical and prone to pearl clutching than I thought. It means that boys with long hair who don't like sports are going to be getting beaten up and bullied for being 'gay' or whatever. It means that sightly butch women won't be able to use public bathrooms without judgmental, psychotic people wanting to make that woman's genitals their own business. It means that I'm living in a world with people who still think in terms of long hair = girl, who haven't ever expanded their minds or considered that their own cultural norms don't apply to everyone in the slightest.
- America does have a greater than zero percentage of spineless bootlickers, more interested in upvotes and likes than their own freedom, unfortunately.
- Snitches get stitches.
- Plenty of fiction media describes how you should treat collaborators

two Tesla Cybertrucks worth more than $100,000
Doubt
- I mean, it looks like a new cyber truck starts at $62k right now. They're not wrong, but that's no reason to completely ruin this guy's life, he's already paying for college...
  
  What they are worth is what someone is willing to pay for it, not what Tesla prices it at.
  They aren't selling: Cybertruck Isn’t Selling So Tesla Shifts Production To What Actually Sells
  Even Tesla doesn't want them and refuses them as trade-ins but will take other cars so its not a problem with trade-ins in general: Tesla Is So Cooked That It's Now Refusing to Accept Cybertrucks as Trade-Ins
  but that’s no reason to completely ruin this ~~girl’s~~ guy's life, she’s already paying for college…
  We agree on this.
  
  He*

Impossible. She was at my house at the time of said incident.
- I set fire to that dealership.
- I can vouch for this

Lesson learned, I guess. If she had only set fire to the Capitol in support of an insurrection in support of the far right, she'd be up for a pardon.

I'm not a lawyer but the feds claiming it as a federal case because cars could be used in interstate commerce seems lame. Should be a Missouri case, not a federal case.
- They are pushing for federal because it involved Elonazi's Swasticars.
- The rule of law isn't important anymore.
  
  The rule of law is dead. Enter the age of action and consequence.
- Bullshit expansion of the commerce clause has been ongoing for at least 100 years.
  c.f. Swift & Co, 1905 (?) and Wickard 1942
  
  I loves me Wickard v. Filburn which held that a farm not doing interstate commerce could be regulated by the Commerce Clause because the lack of commerce affected interstate commerce.
- Oh boy you are late to the party. The interstate commerce clause has been twisted for decades to basically allow a Federal hook for anything to exist.
  In this case however, I think the Destructive Device charge alone would have sufficed as the hook.

If you get decades for that then this just encourages going all in.

They really are this dumb.
They think this will discourage targeted destruction of an oligarch? Decades for worthless cars?
If you get decades for that- make sure to get the rest of the lot. Bonus points for for a factory.
- Tough talk from a keyboard warrior. I expect the next act of civil disobedience to be tagged "this one is for Lemmy fam" or you're full of it.
  Nothing but false bravado from russian subversive operators as far as I see.
- I mean, arson itself is usually punished very harshly because it can easily get out of control and kill people (and most of those laws predate modern fire safety standards). It might be a good idea to look for alternative ways to vandalise Tesla's that don't have harsh punishments associated with them. Or if you do, try not to get caught.
  
  It might be a good idea to look for alternative ways to vandalise Tesla's that don't have harsh punishments associated with them.
  One popular method of destroying cybertrucks is simply treating them like a normal car. Perhaps Owen should have vandalized their neighbor's car by giving it a good rinse? That tends to brick these dumpsters
  
  How easily have the arson against Tesla killed people?
  I think it's not easy because no one has died

The keyword here is "Alleged". As far as anyone knows, She was just falsely-flagged.

Should have led an insurrection instead, and then become president. Though I forgot if you need to also defraud a charity, be a cheating rapist slumlord and get convicted of 34 felonies first, or if the order doesn’t matter. Things are changing so fast nowadays.

I really don't like jury duty. And would do plenty to get out of it. If I got called for this one. I would happily nullify it as hard as I could.
- No you would not. You would find that she is not guilty.
  
  What you're describing has a name, and that name is nullification.
  
  Only if nullification was not a possibility. Nullification sends a much stronger and important message. Namely we don't give a fuck if they're guilty or not. Because this is a bullshit show trial that does not have Justice in mind. Yes I'm aware prosecutors often ask for the largest applicable sentence possible eventually negotiating down. That doesn't make this any less bullshit.
  
  That is what Jury Nullification means, the jury ignores the law (usually because it is being misapplied or the law itself is bullshit) and finds the defendant not guilty, regardless of whether they did the "crime" or not.

I used to drive on State Line past that lot full of Teslas daily, always saw a ton of Cybertrucks just sitting. Once Musk started getting so much (more) hate I figured it was a matter of time before someone torched it.
Also, I always find it funny how it's totally just a road that divides the states, I'd drive to work and be "in" Missouri and drive home "in" Kansas lol
- It's honestly better if that inventory sits on the lot unpurchased. It costs them money to store it and it looks bad for them having old inventory around months or even years out of date. Torching it just gives them a nice insurance payout.
- I work in KS and live in MO. Love paying income tax in two states! /s

How can you possibly blame this kid when Cybertrucks have been known to self-immolate? They have faulty batteries that catch on fire left and right; the rustbucket was likely already on fire before he got there.
- Yeah, it's like prosecuting women for miscarriages. Oh wait.

Feed birds next to Tesla dealerships.
- You know what? I know this was a joke but this is a fantastic idea. A way to protest that even the old and weak can take part in. What are you going to do, outlaw feeding birds? Good luck with that.
  
  Oh yeah, totally joking lol.

Don’t get captured

Too bad he wasn’t a right wing kid shooting liberal protestors to death because he’d be hailed as a hero and given awards and tv appearances.
- Needs to cry in court first

How much is her bail

We honor the sacrifices of our soldiers o7

Oh, great! Now Donald will be like, “we’ll need to look in to BU. We believe they are harboring terrorist.”

Just getting started

- Insurance premiums will be adjusted. Plus people will avoid buying Teslas if there are too many attacks on them.
  That being said, I think there are smarter ways to fight for democracy.

If we ever get another President not named Trump this will be pardoned instantly.

If the Federal government takes over prosecution the big charge is going to be that Destructive Device charge which looks to be up to 10 years. It seems unlikely the sentence imposed would be the max on every charge, media loves to report maximums as if they are automatically what always gets handed down, but that's just media being dramatic.
I'd really love media articles to actually explain sentencing in detail on articles where they just throw around numbers without explaining them.

What thee heck is a destructive device? A can of petrol? This is ludicrous, double and triple charging people.

Now see these people I wouldn't mind the Tankies promoting the hell out of like they do that Luigi guy.

EV fires are insane. Please find other less dangerous ways to protest, something not involving fire at least. The fire department are the ones who have to deal with it, and its not pretty.
- Haha. Would you please also tell the Republican party that you'd appreciate it if they could find prettier ways of destroying our government and constitution.
  
  I guess I never assumed it was a serious revolt against the government. My mistake.