Judge: 'Probable cause' to hold U.S. in contempt over Alien Enemies Act deportations
Judge: 'Probable cause' to hold U.S. in contempt over Alien Enemies Act deportations
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Alternatively, the government must provide the name of the person or people who chose not to halt Alien Enemies Act deportations out of the U.S. despite his order — and Boasberg said he would refer them for prosecution.
Betting pool is open! Who do we think Drump and Co are going to throw under the bus this time?
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Can't they just claim it's an "official act?"
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My money is on martial law, and the summary removal or execution of Boasberg.
Wish I was being sarcastic, but the odds of martial law or war being declared on Hitler's birthday - the 20th, are far too likely for my taste. It would be within Trump's character to simply murder his foes, regardless of their place in society.
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Later:
In an alarming development, the White House slams judges by releasing a new executive order titled “Trump finds probable cause for the Judicial Branch to suck on deeze nuts”; Schumer and Jeffries urge cooperation and reconciliation by wringing their hands and asking you for $13 before midnight to meet a nonexistent deadline. This message brought to you by Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator!
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No one. He will just start dealing out pardons like it's a poker game. The US Justice System is dead.
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Great
Actual consequences..?
My expectations are extremely low
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"The US has brought charges against coffee boy Jimmy McTwiddledumb, who just started as an intern 4 weeks ago, in regard to the illegal actions taken by this administration. The administration admitted McTwiddledumb was the sole person responsible for all actions the court has taken issue with."
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there's a difference between cynical and defeated, you know. some of you act like you've given up. i don't want those people for allies. just fucking leave the country or go back to playing video games, because you're doing exactly what they want you to do.
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Yeah and obeying in advance, its pathetic
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I wish i could, but if I do, I'll never see my children again
and I'm pissed the dems are not starting impeachment proceedings and removing that orange cancer immediately.
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I wish i could, but if I do, I’ll never see my children again
What about when you're in a situation where you have to report other anti-MAGA to protect yourself from MAGA? Would you rat out strangers you don't know to protect yourself and your kids?
The "but my children" excuse does not make you an ally, it makes you a liability and untrustworthy. What if they decide to deport you? You'll definitely never see your children again. What about other peoples children? Just because they're not yours, they don't matter to you? Children, aka the future, depends on you going out and fighting, not hiding behind your kids because "my kids are more important than your kids." That mindset of fear and capitulation to fascists is exactly what creates fascism, so stop using your kids as a shield from responsibility. You decided to bring your kids into this situation, not us.
There are other ways to help on the frontline that don't involve picking up a gun and getting shot. On the back end as well, people are needed. You have a unique set of skills, stop giving them to the people that bribe you with money and start using it towards your childrens future.
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You need 218 representatives to issue articles of impeachment and 67 Senators to convict (remove from office).
That means that you need every single Dem and independent, PLUS 20 Republican Senators and 5 Republican Members of the House. I would love to see anyone suggest a list of who those 25 Republicans might be.
Also, Trump has been impeached by the House twice and it doesn't seem to have effected his political career negatively.
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The dems cant impeach him. He was already inpeached two times.
Republicans are the only ones that can because of their majority
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lol. you don't know how our government works. there is absolutely no way impeachment will ever be successful. R's control the house and senate.
stop waiting on a broken government to fix itself. we are literally in self defense mode. if you really care about your children, you need to start arming yourself.
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So what exactly are you doing to help, then? Holding signs up at your weekly protests that are authorized by the police? It's easy to criticize people when you aren't doing shit yourself.
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They’re telling their allies to leave the country because they don’t like the words they say. They might as well just join the conservatives.
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So what exactly are you doing to help, then?
Right now, anything is something. This is an unprecedented situation in 250 years of America. Things are slowly coming together, but it is new territory. Unlike the developed world, America binds work/health/insurance/vacation/home/car/life very tightly together. Even a week of missed work can result in homelessness, sickness, death. This is by design so the ruling class can limit movement. This all needs to be fixed first thing once we're done destroying evil, but in the now, we have to work how we can, when we can, where we can.
I wouldn't be surprised if the corpo media focus on minor aircraft crashes (not all minor, but non-fatal collisions at airports, and personal craft going down are commonplace anytime) is to make people scared to fly to DC.
Donate anything you can afford to local charities, every little bit helps. Funding is being drained all over the place and the ripple effects are only beginning. Write letters to your leadership so they know their constituents are pissed and they better do what they can.
Learn things in your skill-set that may be helpful in the coming chaos, alternate means of communication, computers, networking, radios, transportation, maps, routes, memorizing information.
Store food so you can go without grocery stores for a few months if you have to.
Be proactive on goings on, support protesting Tesla and corpo protests. Don't buy things. Check out how people just not going to Target has been going. Silly protests like hacking road crossing buttons in Silicon Valley, law suits, letters, anything to slow down the morons that think they're in charge. It's boots on the ground, it's psyops, its money, its visual, its presence, it is everything to cause noise and confusion right back at them.
Delay buying that new iPhone. Cancel Amazon Prime. Read books. Books on history. Stay informed. If you see someone harassed on the street, at the bare minimum, video broadcast it, intervene if you're brave.
Once the billionaire class wakes up and realizes that we, not an orange blumpkin, nor a muskrat actually make them money, they'll change their tune or miss out on all that sweet sweet revenue. (Who knows, maybe even grow a conscience, but let us not be delusional.) With or without them, however, we can't give up on hope.
Even those with the means to leave are doing their part by taking talent away from the US which will cripple the Machine of Evil long-term. They can help from the outside by helping those on the inside stay informed to the real news.
No one thing is going to change this, it has to be all things at the same time.
So stop being a fatalist, what shit are you doing? If you are a member of planet Earth, you should be doing something.
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Who is going to hold the executive branch accountable? If they ignore the courts there is no one to hold them accountable.
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I am beginning to realize how inadequate the education people received in the US are.
Both the Legislator and Judicial have the authority to deputize to make arrests in determination of contempt.
The "sperate but equal" has meaning to it. The major difference is that over time the Republicans have allocated more and more funds to the Executive to enable them to build up a persistent "enforcement."
I'm beginning to wonder if the education we received was entirely on purpose.
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In my call yesterday to my reps I asked them to help the judicial in enlisting marshals to go arrest trump.
Edit: Adding https://5calls.org/ for visibility.
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The major difference is that over time the Republicans have allocated more and more funds to the Executive to enable them to build up a persistent “enforcement.”
In no way shape or form is that a "Republican" problem. Democrats have been happily handing ever more power to the Executive for decades. As I've said in other places this is a symptom of Congress members being more worried about re-election and campaign donations than handling the business of the nation.
I’m beginning to wonder if the education we received was entirely on purpose.
I graduated in '91 from a town in the MidWest with about 30,000 people. We covered "separate but equal". I tire of people blaming the education system when in reality most people are ignorant by choice.
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If the Marshall Service does not enforce contempt, it is possible for the courts to appoint others to enforce for them if they are willing to do so. It would be unprecedented, but well within the bounds of what the law states
The rule begins in section (a) by instructing that, as a general matter, process “must be served by a United States marshal or deputy marshal or by a person specially appointed for that purpose.”
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Thus, by its plain terms, Rule 4.1 contemplates that the court may appoint individuals other than the marshals to enforce civil contempt orders.
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Even a rogue marshal’s service, in other words, is not an insurmountable obstacle to courts enforcing the rule of law. If courts have the courage, the legal tools are there.
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It’s up to the man on the street.
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People are understandably pessimistic but Trump is playing too fast and stupid. He's juggling about a dozen knives right now. It's not sustainable.
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At this point you have to say his strategy for dealing with legal problems is flawless. Pretty much just delay and ignore.
Honestly, the law isn't going to curb this shit show, it's foolish to think that it is.
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I keep pushing back on this sentiment because I think it's wrong.
Even if it is inevitable that he will win in court, it's still worth fighting every step of the way:
- It ties up their resources, including chewing up loyalists who burn out trying to defend the indefensible. It's no coincidence that the second Trump term is filled with people who are simply less competent at their jobs, compared to the people in the first Trump term.
- It forces them to actually make statements and stake out positions about what they're doing. No amount of journalism or activism could've gotten the Trump administration to admit that they got it wrong by deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia, because that was the work of opposing lawyers and a tough judge. And even though they fired the lawyer who first conceded that point, Trump's own Solicitor General admitted it, too, to the Supreme Court.
- If the administration tears down the rule of law, that will have unintended consequences that harm them as well. You know how Trump blinked when it became clear that his ill-conceived tariffs were going to hurt his friends, and destroy his own popularity among the people whose approval he most craves? That dynamic will play out multiple times as he undermines the rule of law.
- Practically speaking, his contempt for the rule of law undermines his popularity and support from many of those he actually draws power from. He wants the financial world, the business world, the press, the film/art/literature/culture world, religious institutions, and the sports world to admire him and support him. Each time he breaks something, he has to deal with the backlash among his own supporters.
I'm not going to comply in advance. I'm fighting every step of the way, because even if he beats me every time, his unforced errors as he does so will still jeopardize his power.
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Agreed. It's clear that our legal system doesn't have an answer for "vexatious litigants". I think we're far past the point where a panel of lawyers and judges need to look at any legal action he is taking and determine if it's sound legal theory before the lawsuit is accepted into the court.
Like suing CNN for a poll. That never even should have made it to a Judge's desk.
Frankly, I'd prefer if there was a wealth-based "deposit" required for appealing a ruling to a higher court, and I'd the case is ruled the same way or as meritless, the deposit is forfeited.
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He’s juggling about a dozen knives right now.
Knife juggler here. It takes way more coordination than what trump is capable of. He's just chucked a bunch of knives into the captive audience and is hoping that he will die or become a dictator before the lawsuits are complete.
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It is that's the whole strategy. Nothing matters to them anymore.
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I feel like there's a weird number of people here who are rooting against the boring legalese solution to this problem.
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I don't think it's weird - we're used to seeing the rich and powerful get away with everything.
But it is boring. And time consuming. Something that the judges admit themselves.
We also do need that same energy, because even if the courts deputize and enforce contempt, there will be resistance to it.
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I agree with what some others have said. I'm not rooting against it. I'm doubting that anything will actually come of it. I would absolutely love for something to happen.
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People aren't rooting against it, only realizing that it's not gonna work. America is too far gone for boring legalese to matter.
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And? Are those people's wishes keeping the legalese solution from working? Is their negativity harshing the vibes of Judges?
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Well it's not helping the morale of anyone who reads those defeatist comments. I prefer to encourage the signs of good efforts.
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Morale is at an all time low.
The legal system has been completely pathetic in addressing this problem. It would be foolish to think it will impede a sitting president.
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Half the people are mad they haven't done it faster and the other half think it's pointless, pretty sure 100% are going to complain no matter what
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if I'm not mistaken, isn't the next appropriate legal step to start impeached proceedings. is there a reason they aren't even trying to do it?
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Anyone threatened with any jail time is going to get pardoned by Trump.
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Civil contempt is not pardonable apparently. So someone super low level is getting thrown under the bus
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Can't wait to see how the DOGE boys react to finding out they could spend the rest of their lives in jail.
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“Put it all on Bigballs69420, my man”
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Trump cannot change tariffs either but there you are.
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This is good to know. I will assume that those in power will take action. Whew! /s
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Courts are not going to help you. They haven't for a long time. Wake up.
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Help who with what?
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Help america with its fascist dictator problem. I'm sure you've heard of it.
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Sounds good to me. About the only way to make it stick is to arrest Trump and hold him in a cage where he belongs, but that has its own complications...
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I wonder who Judge Boasberg will hire as Special Prosecutor?
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Some feckless Republican insider who feigns doing the work and drags it out long enough for Trump to escape accountability?
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Obviously KP from TX. You know the prosecutor that's guilty of multiple felonies.
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