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Nooooooo teh LiBz!?1

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It might have been nice if Ol Biden had actually given a shit about the coup attempt and pushed to have the people at the top of the food chain tried for it. We might have avoided this whole situation if Trump had been tried while he was still persona non grata. Instead, his admin chose to treat it like any other criminal enterprise instead of the existential threat it was. Now we are all paying for it and I doubt the country will survive.
- Biden was too old or naive to recognize that the era of civility in politics was over. At the very least, SCOTUS ruling that presidents are essentially kings should've kicked him in the ass. I guess thx for the economy Joe, but it wasn't nearly enough.
  
  the era of civility in politics was over
  I’m not sure that’s the case, though of course the demented rapist in office is a hell of an argument for it. I just think he’s the worst possible combination of huckster, narcissist, dementia sufferer, and russian intelligence. So far, yes, yes.
  Rational discussion still exists, and it can be about politics - just not with any of these pithed clowns in power.
  
  To be fair, a large majority of Americans didn't acknowledge the threat until very recently. In general, politicians do not go for bold moves unless they feel they have a large support from the population.
- These people are co-workers and collaborators. They're not putting each other in jail.
- Yeah, agreed, but I think he’s at fault for not wanting to appear to use the justice system to attack political rivals. The fact that Garland was a slack@$% mf or that Aileen Canon is a cunt non-pariel isn’t his fault, but it sure added to the turd circus we got dropped on us.
  And of course hindsight is 20/20.

Actually sweatie there's no difference between liberals and conservatives, Trump isn't doing anything the LIBS wouldn't have done and minorities are no worse off than they were before, also Bernie is controlled opposition and a shitlib
/s
- Actually sweatie
  
  actually sweatie
- Literally had me going…
- Can't tell if you're pretending to be maga or tankie
  
  Is there a difference?
- The libs who led us directly into fascism now have nothing to offer but sarcasm and condescension... Pretty typical. You forgot to blame the voters though.
- There is a difference between the Biden and Trump administrations. One is an overt Nazi, the other is a Nazi collaborator.
- Here I go again, taking the bait.
  Trump put the lie to the Democrats' claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
  The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
  Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
  Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump's attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
  I doubt anyone could destroy USA's international prestige and credibility as quickly as Trump has
  
  Here I go again, taking the bait.
  Trump put the lie to the Democrats' claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
  lolwut. The guy literally said that Israel should "finish the job".
  The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
  Lina Kahn has left the room.
  Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
  Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas".
  Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump's attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
  "Cut one and we all bleed."
  I really think that "the imperial core" is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the "AES" states (the big two are not socialist states). Both Russia and China are also driving hard on exploiting the global South and erosion of US soft power results in reducing checks on that as well as increasing the possibility of further hot wars.
  Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South. Really seems that you're less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
  
  Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws
  Surely the dems are just as bad.
  Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that
  Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.
  Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.
  Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.
  
  Less taking bait and more leaving bait.

It's time to post the two Santas again.
http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/
First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible.
This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”
Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
- Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
  Confirmed, Drump crossed the streams lmao
  
  Is the enemy both strong and weak in fascism? Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak".
  You ever notice how the Nazis talked about the Jews being at the same times in control of the entire world economy and various plots and organizations while at the same time stating that they were an inferior race that needed to be stamped out because they were too incompetent to self-govern?

The number of people who are seemingly ignorant of any of the actual politics of Joseph is alarming. Democratic aligned politics has devolved to the same level of Republican politics in the sense of metrics and language. "Economy good" is an absolutely wild way to summarize Joe's politics and the impact on politics that he had. He was a conservative man. From his earliest days as a politician, he was conservative. He played a not insignificant role in creating the modern political landscape. Including in essentially running interference for Clarence Thomas during his initial candidacy for the Supreme Court (Thomas had dozens of credible allegations of sexual harassment and sexual misconduct). Biden was notoriously pro colonialism throughout the entirety of his political career, including active support of Israel and its colonization of Palestine going back to the 70s. He spent decades campaigning on anti-crime discourse that prioritized higher budgets for police to spend targeting minority communities, a fact he was absolutely aware of.
The political legacy of this man is not "Economy good". It is a lifelong career against workers rights, minority rights and pushing conservative agendas within the democratic party against leftist ones. His term as president did not see any degree of preparation for the rise of fascism. He played a significant role in the failures of the democratic party during the election campaign. Refusing to step aside, proving his own incompetence over and over again, refusing to push a progressive platform, refusing to denounce colonialism and genocide, and ultimately playing into many of the same political talking points of American fascists. Joe Biden is a stain on American history. He spent his last 4 years of political relevancy fighting against workers rights and protecting international genocidal institutions. All the while he made an absolute mockery of the institutions of political power in the united states and helped truly ring the funeral bell of American trust in federal institutions.
Let his failure be a galvanizing lesson about all the failures of American liberalism. Leftism is the only true political opposition to fascism. This election was not lost because democrats went woke. It was lost because they refused to change. It was lost because of their own blatant hypocrisy and refusal to campaign on working class politics and humanitarianism. Liberal conservatism handed the reigns to fascism.
- this was a good read. the democratic party isn't as left as it seems to want people to think
  
  They are the party of status quo. Say what you want, but Trump will buck trends. Unfortunately, it's just in all the wrongest possible ways. We needed someone with the combination of confidence and stupidity that Trump has, but stupidity for good.
  
  and a lot of it is also 20 years old, because not everything happened yesterday, it's almost like shit happens in the past or something.
- Joe Biden has been among our better Republican presidents.
- He also voted against a constitutional amendment promoted by Indiana Senator Birch Bayh (D) that would have brought an end to the electoral college -The thing that allowed Trump to win his first administration.
- He spent decades campaigning on anti-crime discourse that prioritized higher budgets for police to spend targeting minority communities, a fact he was absolutely aware of.
  this was during the 90s crime wave? Right?
  Let his failure be a galvanizing lesson about all the failures of American liberalism. Leftism is the only true political opposition to fascism.
  i have yet to see a single lefty produce a functional model of government. Liberals base their entire ideology off of a functional governmental model. You have an uphill battle in this regard.
  
  this was during the 90s crime wave? Right?
  No, he campaigned on crime at least as far back as 1972. Throughout the entirety of his political career actually, including through his presidency. He is a conservative nationalist. In the same vein is casually racist and indeed sexist.
  You said this in another comment,
  and a lot of it is also 20 years old
  To which I say that is not an excuse. People were anti-racist back then too, and people had been calling out police violence against people of color since the 19th century and the white supremacist origins of the modern american militarized police. Also we're talking moreso 60 years of continual support for these institutions, not merely 20 years ago.
  i have yet to see a single lefty produce a functional model of government. Liberals base their entire ideology off of a functional governmental model. You have an uphill battle in this regard.
  Yes, and liberalism has historically resisted fascist takeovers so well.
  Neoliberalism prioritizes the mass hoarding of wealth of the capitalist ruling class above everything else. Neoliberalism has been the dominant ideology of western electoral democracy since the time of Ronald Reagan. This is especially true of America and Great Britain. Neoliberalism does not create a functional government. It creates continuously worsening economic inequalities and devotes all its resources to preventing workers from achieving class consciousness and resisting their increasing oppression from the ruling class. Fascists are political allies with neoliberals. They have the same aims in preventing the spread of workers rights and maintaining class hierarchies.
  But the mere fact that you have phrased it as a "functional model of government" is absolutely indicative of your own ignorance as to what workers rights even are and what leftism is. There are many extent leftist nations today. Social Democracy is a leftist ideology, and I find it pretty unlikely that you view the Social Democracies of Scandinavia in a negative light.
  
  Cuba, Vietnam, China, Venezuela, the USSR. These are some examples of a lefty functional model of government.
  but your gonna say "those governments did bad things"
  And I'm gonna say "not as many bad things as the capitalist US of A"

I noticed this year before already too, and if you look at the graphs it's just impossible to understand how much of an idiot you have to be to vote Republican.
Then Sarah Palin came by and it really showed bottom of the barrel, or so I thought.
Now we're here....
- ... and it really showed bottom of the barrel
  And then someone knocked from beneath.

- When were those days, exactly? I've studies a hell of a lot of history, and I can really only point to two moments:
  The American Civil War, but we were both the good guys and the bad guys there, so doesn't really count.
  WW2. We fought against fascism. We were squarely on the side of the good guys.
  I've never been alive when America was the good guys, and neither has the vast majority of anyone else.
  
  As a history nerd that has gone down many rabbit holes a lot of the worlds problems of the last 200 years and beyond are because of countries like USA, England. Russia, Spain etc.For example Central America and even some of South America that was colonized by Spain which stole a vast amount of natural resources such as gold and silver. Later down the line some of these countries especially in central America though they were never colonized by USA USA had a lot of influence on them and even was the one controlling their civil wars like they were playing video games. As soon as communism was not a threat America pulled out of those countries and left them in a shitty place. Another example is the MS 13 terrorist gang organization which originally was founded in Los Angeles, These gang members were than arrested in United States and then deported back to Central America without giving those governments a heads up of who exactly they where sending back and by not doing that this gang turned into one of the biggest criminal organizations in the world

Politics should be boring
- Dr Wong said it best "it's maintenance, like wiping you ass or taking a shower"
- MABA
  Make Politics Boring Again
  
  Aolitics
- News should be boring.
  I think Fred Hampton had a better understanding of politics when he said "We understood that politics is nothing but war without bloodshed and war is nothing but politics with bloodshed."

Libs are willing to support genocide as long as their personal privilege is maintained. That's a big part of how liberalism supports fascism. Trump is just a continuation of Biden.
- Tanky talk
- i'm neither for or against it, personally i'm ambivalent, because i'm not middle eastern, jewish, nor do i live in the middle east, nor anywhere near it. It's literally a waste of brain power to think about it.
  Of course, arguing that i think killing people is good, is fucking stupid, obviously that's bad. But there are reasons people are being killed, and i'm not delegating that problem to myself, considering i have literally no relation. You would have to find a genuinely insane person to agree with that fact, so there's no point in even entertaining it on a factual basis.
  Would it be nice if israel stopped bombing palestine? Yeah, would it be nice if the US stopped arming them? Yeah, does that ultimately make a difference in regards to the conflict? No. I don't think anything you did today, even if you managed a complete ceasefire on good terms, would make a good faith effort to stop this conflict. It's a brutal conflict, there is no easy to solve it.
  Reverse ethnic cleansing of israel is not really a good solution either, for several reasons. Notably morals. Likewise yeeting palestine off the map isn't productive either.
  Ultimately though, both of the parties are willing to fight, and one of them just keeps losing, over and over. At some point they did this to themselves, and i'm not sure where that point is. (granted, israel has committed numerous war crimes throughout this conflict, i'm not absolving them of that one either, don't worry) neither party is particularly intelligent here.
- Yeah, leftists would never support genocide in order to protect their own power structure. Except for that one time.... Or that other time... And also...
  But i'm sure you'd never see leftist college students TODAY running around LARPing as murderous ethno-nationalists.
  
  But man, those liberals... Crazy, right?!
  
  How exactly are these images supporting your claim of "college students LARPing as murderous ethno-nationalists"? Because they're wearing a Kufiya?

If that quiet old man hadn't decided to try to cling to power despite no longer being fit to hold the office, we might not even be in this predicament.
- You're missing a little genocide factor and a shitloads of unkept promises here
  
  Yeah, the “leftifts” that didn’t show up for those “reasons” are as bad as the magatards and bear the same responsibility. As a leftist myself (not in US though) I curse the absurdism of leftist politicians and electors and their puritanical behavior that can’t seem to do real politics.
- I'm not sure it would have helped. 2 Democrats haven't been elected into office back to back since before the Civil War.
  
  judging by the results from the election, yeah no. Nothing would've changed it.

Joe Biden was a perfect example of how delegating authority to the right technocrats, and then standing back and staying out of the way is the best form of executive leadership. I legitimately have no idea why he gets so much hate even from his own party.
- He has the same problem I have at work. When everything is going well, no one really knows. The servers keep running and everyone is happy with IT, but after a while, people start to question what it is we are doing.
- I voted for him and was honestly expecting worse.
- legitimately biden admin has been the most productive admin in the US government since like, FDR maybe. There are probably a few others, but most have been rather boring.
  
  Do explain how passing the same bills as w bush makes Biden as productive as FDR who revolutionized how Americans get compensated and interact with capital.

Be careful saying this around here, you'll be labeled a lib, crucified, and stalked by tankies.
- Democrats main motive while in power is also to make money for themselves, in a less stupid and obnoxious way than Trump.
  This meme is liberal propaganda, how the Democrats booming economy helped the average american ?
  Spoiler it has not, but weapons manufacturers getting those billions of public spending to support Israël. And I'm sure the friendly and nice people that are Democrats do have so shares in them.
  What a clown show they just have nothing to do and they'll end up getting elected and doing the same thing. That is if the whole countries has not turned to civil war before the next election of course.
  
  The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats look for long-term, stable corruption while Republicans want to get as much as they can as soon as possible.
  
  real shit. i cannot believe that people are still praising the democrats and calling anyone left of center a "tankie"
- Bring it.
  
  Based. Tankies can blow me.
- And don't forget being called a Nazi genocide apologist lmao
  
  👀

"When I wasn't directly affected things were good!" Do better, guys.
- "When things were better, things were better" is a bad thing to say now?
  
  Better for who? The homeless? The poor? The non white? The queer? The women? Oh yeah things were better for everyone and that sets the standard of bad now.

I miss it, but I still want change. Not "machete" change like we're getting, but "scalpel" change.

Boom!

Thank you for posting this. Helps us build block lists of the cunts.

- Oh no! This candid human moment between two men is surely proof of liberal embrace of fascism! How could I have been so wrong as to not see it when it's so simple and the proof is in this photo!
  
  Similarly havent noticed the suffering caused by neoliberalism?
  
  Ikr, for all we know Obama is laughing at him.

Just because Trump is terrible it doesn't make Biden any better. We're talking about a genocide enabler here. Ffs.
- Followed by another genocide enabler. Your math sucks.
  
  Not at all. I'm simply pointing out Biden sucks.
- The evangelist voting block forces any potential candidate to be pro Israel.
  Biden was fine. Not great, not bad. Just fine.
  Trump is the worst president in the history of America. Unbelievable he was voted in twice.
  
  No. Biden wasn't fine. Because we don't call people who support and enable genocide as "fine" we call them bad.
  But what it seems like to me is that a lot of people only care when it effects them, they don't care when it's people outside their country or some brown people somewhere.

I mean, Clinton just happened to be the ass in the seat when the Dotcom boom hit...
Every economic action he took led us to today's shit show, especially campaign finance reform
And Biden was the ass in the seat after COVID.
Stop acting like people who actively and quantifiably worse were great just because their poor policy wasn't bad enough to stop things they had zero control over.
Blind worship is for Republicans
- Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and cut defense spending, also boosted the earned income tax credit. All of which helped get money moving. But Gramm-Leach-Bliley was a Bad Idea, and NAFTA deeply flawed.
- Huh, I never knew Clinton was the president to lead us into a two decade plus war we lost and wasted trillions and trillions of dollars on.
  Edit: Fuck the Clintons BTW, but don't act like it was just libs to lead us to where we are today.

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