Russia Not on US Tariff List Despite Broad Global Reach

Trump is definitely a Russian asset.
- His Parents were Soviet assets and he was adopted from Russia, so it checks out.
  
  Im going to need some serious evidence that the sitting US president is not a natural born citizen and therefore is not actually the president.
  
  Uh, what?
- And Putin isn't a U.S. asset? While both countries are geopolitical adversaries, their military and strategic moves have ironically helped sustain each other's defense industries; just not in a cooperative way.
- Embracing the Ultra-Nationalist Paleocon wing of the Republican Party and stuffing your administration with goldbugs and Silicon Valley anarcho-capitalists?
  Why does an American President consuming American Propaganda and regurgitating a uniquely American public policy at the behest of his wealthiest American peers and hooting white-nationalist proles waving American flags get flagged as Russian?
- US is the richest country in the world and the one with the largest and most advanced army. To me it sound quite unlikely to believe that the president of USA is controlled by russia (a country that is 10 times less rich).
  
  I'm not sure what the things you say have to do with anything? Trump is an individual who got voted into the presidency largely thanks to social media manipulation, which is known to often originate from Russian bot and troll farms. There's no reason to believe the USA being rich (which only means a few individuals and corporations are very rich, btw) or having the largest army could have prevented it.

Un-fucking-real.
This presidency will be such a shit stain on the world. The world will never trust the U.S. in the same way it did before.
Over a century of trust and partnerships destroyed in less than 100 days.
- Well. The bridge took some damage in the previous Trump admin as well.
  I think far too many people forgot those times.
  
  Or never knew them to begin with
- As well as it should not trust the U.S. the same again. While i absolutely despise the orange turd he has shown what has been true before: The west has been too reliant on the U.S. ,which both sides enjoyed while it lastet, as the U.S. called the shots, the rest of the west followed and we all benefitted (often on the backs of the global south ofc). No more. Maybe some good will come out of it (strong hopium, i know)
- not trust. coercion.
  and i'm so glad it seems to be ending.

I wonder why...
- That picture is one of the funniest I’ve ever seen. Absolutely a classic.
  
  Here's a treat, don't consume them all at once: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961853/Trump-ruthlessly-mocked-social-media-disgraceful-performance-Putin.html

Uh? Of course he isn't. Why would Putin tell him to put tariffs on himself? That makes no sense.
- The US has been sanctioning Russia for the better part of the last decade. We aren't tariffing them because we aren't trading with them.
  We also aren't tariffing Venezuela, Cuba, or North Korea, for the same reasons.
  
  Maybe, but apparently we're tariffing multiple uninhabited islands. It would seem that active trade is not a perquisite for tariffs these days. can't be having people move out there and not getting tariffed in the future.
  I hope he puts tariffs on Mars next. Maybe after he falls out with musk.
  
  But tarrif on seals in the Antarctica region? Doesn't seem like logic is driving any of this.
  
  Surely American trades some products? Where does Russian vodka come from?
  
  But McDonald island is ripping the USA off!!!!
  
  it's funny that this is being downvoted. lemmy is basically reddit. rooting for the good guys, but also dogshit stupid

You can view this one of two ways, possibly both:
Krasnov
Trump apparently was doing these tariffs based on trade deficits (Which is stupid on its own, if your dentist doesn't buy the widgets you sell, that's not a tariff.), if Russia wasn't running one, then there you go.
To rebuke 2 I present the following- https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia
U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
Based on that math, with the CNN article I linked for the formula (the country’s trade deficit divided by its exports to the United States times 1/2) we get - (2,500,000,000 / 3,000,000,000) * 1/2 = 0.416666...
So Russia should have a 42% tariff based on their purported 83% tariff on us.
- And that's how you end up in Guantanamo.
- Trump seems to think the trade deficit is some sort of debt that we'll have to pay off in the future.
  The overall goal of bringing manufacturing back to the US isn't necessarily a bad one, but this is probably the worst way to go about doing it. One article I read pointed out that it would take many years of consistent tariffs to generate that kind of interest and investment - but anyone with half a brain knows these tariffs could be gone tomorrow, so there's little inclination to actually try to build factories in the US based on this move. No reasonable investor would want to bet their company on Trump acting consistently.
  
  ...pointed out that it would take many years of consistent tariffs to generate that kind of interest and investment...
  That's the scary thing. Citrus-Hitler assumes he's gonna have himself and his policies in place for "many years of consistent tariffs."

Good point, considering the US still trades with Russia.
**United States Imports from Russia was US$3.27 Billion during 2024, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. **
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/russia
- https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/imports/united-states
  Russia imports $17 billions from USA. So we don’t have a trade deficit with Russia.
  He’s definitely a Russian troll, but I’m not sure this is the data point to prove it.
  
  The US consistently runs a trade deficit with Russia.
  https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html
  The US has a trade surplus with the UK, but still applied a 10% tariff to them.
- United States Imports from Russia was US$3.27 Billion during 2024
  Sounds like no government actually gives a fuck about stopping the ukraine war. Sending weapons to ukraine government is a more profitable business than cutting import and export to russia to 0.

Well, uh, who do you think is calling the shots?

For context, Cuba, North Korea, and Belarus are also not tariffed because they are sanctioned instead.
- I wondered the same thing. Why would you add tariffs if it's illegal to even trade with them?
  
  One wouldn't, which makes all the Krasnov comments in this situation entertaining.

I try to keep a sense of perspective, every president I disagree with seems to be the worst president ever at the time.
I really want to say Bush's useless Trillion dollar wars are worse than this.
But it's close and we have 3.5 more years of this.
- Obama was pretty decent no? He managed to at least speak normally.
  
  As much as I despise Obama for vastly expanding our extrajudicial drone strike policy..... All things put into perspective, yeah he was pretty decent.
  
  I was fine with like 80% of Obama and like 60% of Clinton's actual policies while enjoying the economy that I don't credit him for. But then W Bush was like a 10% and Trump 1 maybe 15% (Warp Speed, passing the vast majority of Covid stimulus, ironically all the stuff he's against now) and I'm batting zero so far on Trump 2 but I assume at some point he'll do something I agree with.
  
  Obama was pretty decent no?
  How Obama Destroyed Black Wealth
  Neil Barofsky, the bailout inspector general, later testified that protecting the banks was the actual goal. The administration’s aim was to “foam the runway” for the banks, as Barofsky witnessed Tim Geithner tell Elizabeth Warren. HAMP failed, in other words, because it was not designed to help homeowners.
  As a result, in many cases HAMP actively enabled foreclosure. Its re-default rate — the fraction of people who got a modification and later defaulted out of the program — was 22 percent as of 2013. Only about $15 billion of the original $75 billion appropriation was spent by mid-2016.
  Out of an initial promised 4 million mortgage modifications — itself a drastic underestimate — by the end of 2016 only 2.7 million had even been started. Out of that number, only 1.7 million made it to permanent modification, and of those, 558,000 eventually washed out of the program.
  ...
  Former Wells Fargo employees later testified that the bank deliberately tricked middle-class black families (who they called “mud people”) into subprime “ghetto loans.” Overall, a Center for Responsible Lending study found that from 2004 to 2008, 6.2 percent of white borrowers with a credit score of 660 and up got subprime mortgages, while 19.3 percent of such Latino borrowers and 21.4 percent of black borrowers did.
  The effects of the foreclosure disaster are starkly apparent in Survey of Consumer Finances data. To start, the homeownership national rate shows a marked decline over almost the whole Obama presidency, reaching the lowest rate since 1965 (before slightly rebounding).
  
  That’s an absurdly low bar.
- *3.8
- I really want to say Bush’s useless Trillion dollar wars are worse than this.
  I would say Bush's bailout of the O&G sector in '01 and the Financial Sector in '08 laid the seeds for worse social and ecological conditions over the subsequent two decades. Similarly, NAFTA and the subsequent midwestern de-industrialization was nightmarish for US industry and Mexican agriculture.
  These blunders set us up to need international trade. What's crazy about Trump's tariffs is that he's not addressing the underlying infrastructure problems or the crushing post-Great Recession debt traps. He's just squeezing at the point of the supply chain in order to punish American industry and labor for adapting to the sabotaged economic landscape of the neoliberal era.
  It is the economic equivalent of kicking a guy in the kidneys after he's already been laid out on the ground.

Could someone ask Propaganda Barbie about this?
- Uh.. which one? There's so many I've lost track. I only seem to remember dog killer, handyqueen and simian goblin.
- KKKaroline

- I miss Gilbert
  
  I'm sad now.

So US imposed tariff on penguins, but 0 on Russia!

Almost the entire world is paralyzed by American tariffs
😂
- Looks more like Russia and USA are in the same trade embargo, while the rest of the world is free to do whatever they want.
  
  If anybody is paralyzed it might be Sk and Japan but SK is already jumping ship and trading with China, now.

Well, why should Agent Krasnov put tariffs on the hand that feeds him, good old Vlad? 🤷🏼‍♂️

I was noticing this as well. The place that should have the highest tarrifs.
- "tariffs"

Should tell you everything you need to know.
- Do people not realize there is no US Russia trade so tariffs would be moot.
  
  no US Russia trade
  U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
  https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia
  But what’s a few billion between friends?
  
  No US Russia trade YET.

Guys I think there's some evidence that this is, shall we say, Russia friendly (such as the astronomical tariff rate on Moldova of all places), but Russia isn't included because it's a "Column 2" country alongside Belarus, Cuba, and North Korea, and therefore all subject to the stiff tariffs we already impose on the worst of the worst. Please let's not share things like this which just make us look gullable to the morons on the right supporting this buffoon. It's not a good look.
- Do you have a source for this? I checked https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypxnnyg7jo but cannot find this.
  Edit: https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/17517599 says that some countries are not included in tariffs because they are sanctioned instead.
  
  Look at section 3(b) of the executive order linked here, at the portion discussing "column 2":
  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/regulating-imports-with-a-reciprocal-tariff-to-rectify-trade-practices-that-contribute-to-large-and-persistent-annual-united-states-goods-trade-deficits/

Kompromat

That tracks. Prove to me he’s not a Russian asset.
- Sure thing, let's just go to the unredacted Mueller Rep- AW GODDAMMIT

That'll show em! Trump was ANGRY at Russia these few days!

Krasnov strikes again! Until there is evidence to counter this theory, it satisfies Occam's Razor.

What’s the trade difference? Aren’t we not allowed to trade with them at all?
- Russia exports next to nothing to the US, but it does import things like electronics for obvious reasons.
  Tarrifs on Russia will be pointless, really. Russia has been trading with Europe for the most part for obvious reasons until it fell out of favour. So this seems like manufactured outrage.
  
  There are tariffs on uninhabited islands. Russia being an exception is notable.
  
  Trump followed a consistent, rigid math: Whatever the trade deficit, then that's the tariff applied... except for Russia. Russia is #23 on our list of trade partners. Following the math they should have a hefty tariff applied, but they don't. It's the only exception.
  
  Tarrifs on Russia will be pointless
  Nope!
  
  Most electronics are imported from China, not from US. No one will be sending iPhones from China to US and then to the rest of the world.
  
  That’s what I was thinking. Plenty of reason for outrage. This will just be a distraction.

from here https://t.me/s/artjockey_lite
Dmitriev gave a statement following his meetings in the US. Let me remind you that this was actually the first visit of this level since the beginning of the war, and sanctions were temporarily lifted for it.
As a result:

The timing of a new round of negotiations between the US and Russia will be determined in the near future; The resumption of direct air travel is under discussion; US businesses are ready to take the place of companies that left from the EU [they know how to appeal to Trump]; Overall, the US is taking a constructive stance and behaving respectfully.
Judging by the statements, the talks were successful, but in practice — the truth is in the outcome. We'll see whether there are any developments soon regarding the implementation of Russia's conditions for a "maritime truce" or, on the contrary, whether Russia will make concessions and agree to it without sanctions being lifted.
Also, a reminder that in a few days, a Ukrainian delegation is set to hold negotiations in the US regarding a resource deal that Trump has already openly referred to as part of a peace agreement.
All in all, it looks like another round of diplomacy may take place next week. A maritime truce and a signed deal by Ukraine could be on the horizon. If that happens — or even if specific dates are set — the chances of a full ceasefire by the end of the month will significantly increase.

That finnish president sure talked some sense into him.

I wonder why

It's more obvious than a sunrise that Trump doesn't work for America.

Because we have embargoed all Russian trade. I hope more folks realize this.
- US imported $3.2 billion in goods and exported $595 million. Trade deficit of 2.7 billion Syria, Iran, Venezuela (according to Forbes) were tariffed - despite being already sanctioned.

Russia remains a key supplier of resources critical to U.S. industry (titanium, palladium, uranium). While technically replaceable, developing alternative sources would take years. This makes the current moment less than ideal for imposing higher tariffs on Russia, particularly when the priority is to reindustrialize the U.S.
- The real key resource that Russia holds has to be a video of Trump on Epsteins Island.
  
  We are so passed that. I dont think it would matter to MAGA america.
- the same is true for other countries on this list. nearly all of them for example
  
  I wasn’t claiming this was the only reason, just that it’s one possible factor. Here are some sources that highlight Russia’s role in supplying critical materials like palladium, titanium (via Kazakhstan), and nuclear fuel. While alternative sources exist, replacing Russian supplies isn’t immediate or simple.
  Import Sources (2019–22): Palladium: Russia, 32%; South Africa, 31%; Italy, 8%; Canada, 7%; and other, 22%. Source: https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2024/mcs2024-platinum-group.pdf
  Palladium is critical to the U.S. economy and national security. Russia is the largest supplier of the metal to the United States. Source: https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/executive_briefings/ebot_russia_palladium_and_semiconductors.pdf
  Apparently there was no titanium sponge import directly from Russia since 2022 sanctions. However 9% of imports come from Kazakhstan (VSMPO-AVISMA subsidiaries) Source: https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2024/mcs2024-titanium.pdf
  US scrambles to break reliance on Russian nuclear fuel Russia had a monopoly on HALEU until recently. Despite U.S. effort to remedy tis issue for them their nuclear industry still faces challenges in meeting its HALEU needs domestically. Source: https://www.ft.com/content/7ead1252-70a5-4258-8d0c-b01a65bd61f1
- now explain why Russia is uniquely in this position or i user note you as a russian agent
  
  Well, as much as I'd love a dramatic spy backstory, I’m afraid I’m neither an FSB nor an FBI agent. Just a regular person thinking out loud. I don’t have a definitive answer, just some suppositions. I share them so we can all explore the topic with arguments and counterarguments; no secret dossiers required! Open to hearing different perspectives.
- It’s almost like they couldn’t get this from Canada anymore…for some reason…
- I find it funny than instead of at least imposing 10% tariff by default on Russia and selectively exempt critical resources. Russian wasn't listed at all.
  Even an unoccupied island got 10% tariff by default.

Fairly sure that’s because Russia is heavily sanctioned by thr US already, alongside North Korea, Cuba, Iran etc.
Things are bad but let’s not spread hysteria.
- That was also the official argument from Karoline Leavitt, spokesperson of the White House, although last years trading volume between Russia and the US still was about 3.5 billion USD (roughly three times of what Ukraine - US traded).
  The question whether tariffs for Russia makes sense or not is rendered meaningless given the fact that the whole tariff plan is just wild (super small countries with a mimiscule part of trading volume still got heavily sanctioned etc).
  You are right that we should not spread hysteria, but we should still question statements coming from government officials.
  
  Agree with what you’re saying here and I think I need to do some more reading. Getting the impression that I’ve been misinformed/mislead.
  
  That is less than sending 19 billion to Israel for free
- don't read the news because it might get weird for you
- How does this point keep coming up? It's been refuted like a dozen times in every post I see. Feels like intentional disinfo at this point.
  
  You can believe what you like but I’m not here to spread disinformation. Looking at the replies from other people I think I’m just misinformed and need to do more research. It’s possible to be wrong on the internet without it being tied up in a conspiracy.
- Yeah, it's hard to put a tariff on a country that you have already sanctioned and don't trade with at all. But that fact doesn't play well here.
  
  The US has 3.5 billion in trade with Russia. The tariffs include Iran; Venezuela, etc... they also slapped them on countries which we have a trade surplus with.
  It's also looking like they used chatgpt to write the list but then specifically omitted five countries. Russia, north korea, Cuba, Belarus. Russia and its fine closest allies. How can anyone see this and not think the Kremlin does t own the Epstein tapes

- https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia
  U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
- Yeah if I were being charitable I might imagine they aren't on the list because they are already subject to extremely high tarrifs and embargoes. Maybe increased those tarrifs could be a bargaining chip in ending the Ukraine invasion. Impossible to tell with Trump though.

Is ... Is the US trading with Russia?
Edit: pretty much no. Dumb rage bait article
Double edit: fuck you, lemmy
- True, but given that Trump has put tariffs on uninhabited islands in the Arctic (I believe), it's still an interesting point to make.
  Edit: spelling.
- Yes they are. It is common knowledge. That is why people are still pushing for more sanctions and trade restrictions.
  **United States Imports from Russia was US$3.27 Billion during 2024, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. **
  https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/russia
  
  3 billion is nothing.
  I wonder how much the EU imports.
- https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia
  U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/donald-trump-tariffs-antarctica-uninhabited-heard-mcdonald-islands