Monthly update on the FOSS "Ladybird" browser engine
Monthly update on the FOSS "Ladybird" browser engine
Update was from 3 days ago, I'm really hopeful ladybird could be a future browser option to help break the stranglehold chrome has over the market, while Mozilla is struggling to find meaningful direction.
It seems like an exciting project with monthly progress updates :) they keep chipping away at compatibility.
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What about the anti lgbt stuff? Thoughts…?
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I wasn't aware of anything along those lines, but reading through the whole thread of discussion was interesting.
Things seem ambiguous currently I'll have to keep an eye on that issue, I appreciate you mentioning it
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Thanks :) I agree it is ambiguous but still an odd choice.
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What about the anti lgbt stuff? Thoughts…?
It is important to remember that turning down a pull request does not make a person (or project) anti-LGBT.
Sadly, I have seen bullying and brigading from people who claim to be supporting inclusiveness, more than a few times. That behavior alone would be enough to sour me on them personally, and on any change they had submitted.
And, of course, there are other perfectly valid reasons to decline a PR as well.
Asking for changes we would like to see is fine. Demanding them is not. Resorting to character assassination when we don't get what we want is absolutely not.
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turning it down doesn't but raging over the idea and attacking the user does
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Hey, quick question, what do you think of the lead developer of LadyBird calling Brendan Eich, known homophobe and CEO of Brave, "Senpai."
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It's completely unrelated, right? He just doesn't know, right? I'm sure nobody ever tried telling him. Or maybe he's only capable of perceiving technical information, so the rest of Brendan's history never entered his head?
...Not at all, he's fully aware, and he regrets joining the people who spoke out against Brendan, something he only did to fit in. He should damn well know Eich is a homophobe if he's so smart, he just doesn't give a shit.
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The brigading wasn't from the same person who made the pull request, and happened three years later. The thread isn't even that toxic as far as GitHub threads can get.
It's not a great example of what you're talking about.
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Can you elaborate on that?
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Someone made a PR to refer to users in documentation as "they" instead of "he". The lead maintainer rejected it saying "This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics." and then added a part against personal politics in the code of conduct. One brigade attracted for good reason later, another maintainer quietly merged the PR. It's very weird, but not anything too serious IMO.
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The only thing I can find about that is an article from someone obviously transphobic and some reddit discussion about the article.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxDrama/comments/1ewj6cs/ladybird_web_browser_developer_attacked_by/
I wish i had evidence from a source less likely to ignore anything that goes against their bias. what's there plus the stuff that happened afterwards mentioned in the reddit thread makes it seem more like the developer is ignorant but eventually came around. but there could be a lot more i don't know about.
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What are you talking about?
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On a code comment the author wrote "he" somewhere, not sure if referring to a specific person or was used to generally refer to "people". It could be the author was referring to a trans woman or could be a cis man (haven't checked).
Somebody did a PR changing that to "they" and the author rejected it and said something along the lines of "not wanting to get political".
Then backlash started.
Not enough meat here for me to boycott the app really. YMMV
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The part with the progress graph compared to other browsers over time is especially cool!
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I'm not sure I really understand the point of this. Even if you hate Mozilla, the Gecko engine is excellent and it would make far more sense to fork it than to start a new one from scratch.
Building and maintaining a browser engine is hard. FOSS means that everyone is of course free to pursue the projects that interest them, but this doesn't seem like a great use of effort to me.
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While I do think the point about forking is true, it is worth acknowledging that the gecko engine is
a) very behind other browsers in terms of implemented functionality and standards, and
b) I've seen devs say on multiple occasions that because of the wide range of platforms it has officially supported over time (or other reasons), the codebase has become very hard to work with and apparently it's really hard to add new standards to it-
That second point sounds interesting, do you remember any names or other sources I could look into?
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Really why don't they hard fork chromium/gecko and relicence it and maintain that under completely different name instead of making entirely different engine?
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I'm really hopeful about this project. This kind of project seems like so much work for little reward, but they're plugging along
